A new and interesting item drop is not necessarily content, if achieveing that loot is not fun and engaging. If you have to go to where everyone else knows the loot is and fight them as well as the mobs to get the item.
Then you have the item. Was it worth it when it is going to degrade? Is it worth it paying over 10 million credits for a Anti Decay Kit then, is that now the purpose of Star Wars?
The game CAN be fun, if you are willing to overlook it's massive oversights, and concentrate on making your OWN content. This last sentence is in my mind the greatest prophecy ever to come out of the mouth of Raph Koster, because that is exactly what the game has become. If you want to see the content, go make your own, because SOE did not provide it.
This is a major drawback of SWG. It does not lead you to anything at all, except maybe a Jedi slot if that's what you want.
I would make the comparison to World of Warcraft in this sense. They are old-school quests over there, but they are done in such a manner as to LEAD you to where the content resides. This concept in questing adds content in itself. Let me give an example...
While talking to the guy in the newbie town, he directs you to another guy down the road that has a quest for you. You run a few quests with that guy, and he sends you back to the first guy. That redirection is a quest in itself with a small reward. That first guy then sends you to another place, and another NPC, and so forth. They lead you to where the content is through their quest system.
In this manner, it SEEMS as if there is more content than there actually is in the game. The quest system itself is a content multiplier.
In Galaxies, you are never led to the content. You have to go find it in some godforsaken outland, or make it yourself.
When 'I' say it's not yet a game, what I am saying is that there is no reason to fight in the Civil War yet. There is no reason to play your character, role-play as it were, when there is no purpose to that character. I often state that Bounty Hunter is the only real content in the game. You can play one, because there are missions set aside for you that address...your PURPOSE.
You hunt Bounties, and are rewarded for that.
The same type of content needed to be applied to the game play throughout ALL the professions, but they didn't citing that it was impossible. Even recently, JFreeman announced that Smugglers will never actually Smuggle, because it's impossible.
It's amazing to me how often SOE will contradict themselves, as shortly thereafter the in-concept section of Smuggler announced that Smuggling missions WERE coming. Again doing the impossible?
Squad Leader changes are coming that address it's PURPOSE.
Ranger changes are coming that turn them away from animal hunts, and redirect them to their TRUE PURPOSE.
There needs to be a connection with the Galactic Civil War at ALL levels of the game play, or else it's not Star Wars. To do this, you have to directly apply the concept of PURPOSE to each of the professions through a missions system that will inevitably lead you to the GCW in some manner that reflects the MOVIES.
That's what makes it Star Warsy, not just a place to go to find your own content.
It looks like they are FINALLY heading in that direction.
A lot of people don't like my posts, because they are critical of their religion. But the truth is, this is not a game yet. In a game design, you have to be able to first envision what the end-game looks like, then apply all the peripheral game play to that. THEN you create the PLACES, this is what people remember in games that draws them back. Make the place interesting. In SWG, it's not, it's the same starport no matter where you go nothing really unique to the PLACE. Nothing very creative.
Once all that is hammered out, you have to apply the PURPOSE of each class, how they compliment one another in interweaved play, and then direct them at all levels to the end-game.
In my opinion, SWG was just...thrown together, on the basis that it would sell...because it's STAR WARS. But this type of game requires customer retention to be justified. Another Koster Prophecy that came true, it's ART versus CONTENT. In others words, graphics versus game play. According to him, graphics wins. What you see today is the result of that shortsighted philosophy.
There is no real content in this game. Sure there's tons of stuff, but no PURPOSE, and this is where the real content is found in Star Wars.
But like I said, it's moving in the right direction. It took them 5 years to figure it out, but I think the team is doing an excellent job in applying fixes that address the above problems.
I'm looking forward to coming back and seeing what they've done after smuggling goes live.
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Originally posted by suupaabaka I believe that after the CU, every profession that has craftable items is in need of a revamp. Why? A whole lot of things now are redundant. Perhaps the only profession that still has a use for all their schematics is Armorsmith, since the armor types (eg. mabar, tantel and ubese in recon armor) are just aesthetic choices. To illustrate, I refer to my own profession of smuggler. NOBODY uses anything other than Muon Gold, Booster Blue or Neutron Pixie.
Agreed!!! Crafting is subpar as to what it used to be.
This game has been Bantha poo-doo since the CU came into effect. I did play the game was loving it until then. SWG may not be dead but it is in a coma and not likely to come out of it anytime...if ever.
Originally posted by keltic1701 This game has been Bantha poo-doo since the CU came into effect. I did play the game was loving it until then. SWG may not be dead but it is in a coma and not likely to come out of it anytime...if ever.
You are misguided. The game is getting better every month as they revamp professions to match the changes made in the CU. Even some of the vocal opponents to SOE / SWG have been stating that things appear to be working on the upward side of the pendelum rather than the downward.
Things definitely do seem to be picking up at SOE.
They've implemented a very nice communication guideline for their development team to follow, which they seem to be adhering to. There has also been a lot more attention given to the forums by the developers, and pertinent questions are being answered.
And now, they're making good their promises. Squad Leader, Ranger and Smuggler. The three professions that are badly in need of re-design/revamp/changes (let's not get pedantic over vocabulary). I have a strong feeling that the Commando will be next. Once the professions get "fixed", I'm sure the GCW will start to fall into place.
I only hope that they give the crafting professions similar attention. Architects could do with some new furniture and structures, and tailors do need a range of NICE clothing (especially for Wookiees). I also think the minimum level requirements for weapons should be removed. The current system is seriously flawed; what's the point of crafting one of 30 weapons that no one wants to use?
I'm going to give you the only honest answer that can be given:
Lots of people enjoy it so yes, it's worth playing. As to whether *you* will find it worth playing? Well... try it and let us know. Because since we are not *you* we don't know.
It's not a bad game it just has features that some like and some don't.
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And another self proclaimed none player crawls out.
Seriously guys you are really starting to grind. We know you don't play, you even keep reminding us. So why bother?
This guy is asking for honest information and all you are doing is kicking dirt because you have issues over how the game used to be, because they banded you, because you can't move on or accept things change.
self proclaimed none player ? Correction - Sony Designated Non-player because I was banned . Accept that and Move along.
I have been playing swg off and on since launch. If you arent looking for a true to canon star wars experience then yes swg is a good game. It has its flaws (mainly being an soe project with Haden Blackman as part of the team) but it is, imo like George Bush, the lesser of the available evils. The community for the most part is sound and customer service seems to be getting better all the time.
Given its age it is still one of the better looking games available on the market but how much life is in it especially with the movies being over and done with? Who knows?
Originally posted by severius I have been playing swg off and on since launch. If you arent looking for a true to canon star wars experience then yes swg is a good game. It has its flaws (mainly being an soe project with Haden Blackman as part of the team) but it is, imo like George Bush, the lesser of the available evils. The community for the most part is sound and customer service seems to be getting better all the time. Given its age it is still one of the better looking games available on the market but how much life is in it especially with the movies being over and done with? Who knows?
Yah if your a Star Wars fan do NOT play this game. It will serve to make you hate it. The continuity errors arent just errors. They are serious rips and tears. And most of them could have been avoided. I really think SOE and LA are doing it on purpose sometimes. Just to destroy it.
But with the last of the six movies over the universe is now completely opened up. You will see alot more books, comics, games, etc coming out now that we got all the info from the movies. Rumors at the Ranch include Lucas selling movie rights to people like Spielberg, an animated series, a TV series, and alot more. I dont know how true they are but Spielberg did let it slip that he and Lucas were talking about it. But that is all he said. That they talked about. They might have also talked about going to a male strip club. Doesnt mean they will.
Plus you have the other time periods. KOTOR and some early comics opened a very nice time period there that I wish LA and Bioware would turn into a MMO. Kun's time period is also a nice one. Plus the Rise of the Sith would be interesting.
So Star Wars is far from dead. There is just way too much unexplored times, worlds, stories, and such for them to kill it off just because the Lucas Movies are done. I know alot of writers said, back during AOTC, that they would be happy when Lucas finally finished his vision so they would have the complete picture.
Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by severius I have been playing swg off and on since launch. If you arent looking for a true to canon star wars experience then yes swg is a good game. It has its flaws (mainly being an soe project with Haden Blackman as part of the team) but it is, imo like George Bush, the lesser of the available evils. The community for the most part is sound and customer service seems to be getting better all the time. Given its age it is still one of the better looking games available on the market but how much life is in it especially with the movies being over and done with? Who knows? Yah if your a Star Wars fan do NOT play this game. It will serve to make you hate it. The continuity errors arent just errors. They are serious rips and tears. And most of them could have been avoided. I really think SOE and LA are doing it on purpose sometimes. Just to destroy it. But with the last of the six movies over the universe is now completely opened up. You will see alot more books, comics, games, etc coming out now that we got all the info from the movies. Rumors at the Ranch include Lucas selling movie rights to people like Spielberg, an animated series, a TV series, and alot more. I dont know how true they are but Spielberg did let it slip that he and Lucas were talking about it. But that is all he said. That they talked about. They might have also talked about going to a male strip club. Doesnt mean they will. Plus you have the other time periods. KOTOR and some early comics opened a very nice time period there that I wish LA and Bioware would turn into a MMO. Kun's time period is also a nice one. Plus the Rise of the Sith would be interesting. So Star Wars is far from dead. There is just way too much unexplored times, worlds, stories, and such for them to kill it off just because the Lucas Movies are done. I know alot of writers said, back during AOTC, that they would be happy when Lucas finally finished his vision so they would have the complete picture. Kai
True the Star Wars universe is far from dead, but with that said, comics cartoons and the possibility of a tv series arent, imo a glimmer of hope. There is a vast wealth of background information and tons of books etc to draw upon for an mmo, but swg isnt it unfortunately. Part of this is due to failures on the part of Lucas Arts, the rest lie squarely on the shoulders of SOE. If bioware or another company were to make an mmo based off the star wars universe I think it could be an engaging and entertaining experience.
But as far as swg goes it has turned into little more than a marketing medium for Lucas. Hence the inclusion of kashyyyk (which had long been speculated as an addon a good 18 months before it was announces) and now Mustafarr. Though for the timeline planets such as coruscant, hoth and bespin would be far more fitting and could inject much needed life into the game. No it isnt quite dead but at least on my server the population is dwindling and with brighter stars on the horizon I have a feeling that the population will dwindle even further.
I hope they take a decade off before anymore live media like movies or shows. Just let the writers do their job to expand on the universe. Comics are good. I hate Blackman for what he did with SWG but his comics werent bad. Heir to the Empire triology is what brought new life into Star Wars but the dark horse comics also helped. I have all of them. Even the old marvel ones.
Back on topic.
I think the biggest problem (I know I will get flamed) is people are getting full of jedi. The past 10 years we have basically had Jedi crammed down our throats. While some books or games came out without jedi, for the most part it has been a huge lean towards jedi. Now we have the virtual world for Star Wars and there it is full of more jedi. I honestly think alot of people are sick of it and that is why they wont play.
At the last big Convention, people didnt really care about the guys dressed as Jedi. They went for the 501st and the non-jedi costumes more then anything. There was one guy dressed up like a Blue Glowie and most people said "Wow how unoriginal."
I know some people will say Jedi are here to stay and Jedi is Star Wars. And I wholeheartedly agree. But if all you eat is chocolate cake for months your gonna get tired of chocolate cake. Should have been rare. I really believe if they had kept jedi rare, this game would have had steady growth. But they gave everyone chocolate cake and people are getting sick of it.
Ok can I get one post in without a reply Kai? I doubt it but here goes: some people will never get sick of Jedi. I know star wars isn't all about Jedi, but being a Jedi Warrior sadly for you is the pinnacle for most of us. I agree there are too many Jedi in SWG, but I want a lightsaber damnit!
If I could pick one character to be in the Star Wars saga in a video game at the end of the day it's gonna be Luke Skywalker. Sorry bro, that's just me. Darth Vader looks kewl, Boba Fett looks kewl, Han Solo IS kewl, but I want to save the universe.
Originally posted by anarchyart Ok can I get one post in without a reply Kai? I doubt it but here goes: some people will never get sick of Jedi. I know star wars isn't all about Jedi, but being a Jedi Warrior sadly for you is the pinnacle for most of us. I agree there are too many Jedi in SWG, but I want a lightsaber damnit! If I could pick one character to be in the Star Wars saga in a video game at the end of the day it's gonna be Luke Skywalker. Sorry bro, that's just me. Darth Vader looks kewl, Boba Fett looks kewl, Han Solo IS kewl, but I want to save the universe.
You should have been at the last convention. The majority hated anyone dressed up like a jedi. Even if they were original costumes.
Yes some people will never get tired of jedi. But the majority are getting tired of them. So the 250k who arent tired of jedi are playing now. Open up no-jedi or PD servers and you get the other million who want to play but are sick of jedi.
I never wanted to be Luke Skywalker. I wanted to be a Stormtrooper or Imperial Officer. You may get to save the universe but you get to look like a dork while you do it. The Imperials just looked so menancing and awesome.
Even in the PnP games I used to GM, most players would go for a stormtrooper suit soon as they could get one.
When I was a little kid I wanted to be the robber too, but now I think robbers suck and it's the cops I have the most admiration and respect for. Stormtroopers look kewl hell yeah, especially the black outfit ones who fly the TIE fighters. I also dug the dude who pulls the trigger on the Death Star, that big kewl helmet looks way evil.
I don't think Jedi's look like dorks though, on that we will never agree. Sam Jackson and Liam Neeson look DAMN kewl in their robes, and Luke will always be the shizzle no matter what you or anyone else thinks. None of which has anything to do with whether the game is worth playing.
I just played for a few hours tonight and had a blast exping with 3 Jedi's, a Doc and a CH. Ranged Support IV is a bear to achieve but I'm only about 7k combat exp away now . Can't wait till I make Novice so I can finally wear some armor.
May god have mercy on your soul for insinuating that Luke Skywallker is a dork.
Just wait for Star Trek Online, they will do everything right that SWG did wrong. I love a sci-fi based games, and I'm very forgiving but when a game is out of control it's time to jet.
Originally posted by Amathe This game has never been worth playing.
I disagree. There were the first couple of months, when everyone was blinded by Star Wars. Now, only hopeless fanboi's are left. Bottom line, save yourself money and personal anguish and stay away.
This game was SUPERB in its first year or so. It had great basic systems and a fun and engaging atmosphere.
Then some things went off-balance and weren't fixed. Worse was when the 'fix' did come, it completely took away the game's originality and charm and no it's just a shadow of its former self.
And then there's the jedi system which ruined a lot too. Maybe that was the worst, come to think of it.
But it may still be a good game. I honestly couldn't say, since I can't stop myself from comparing with what it used to be and what it could have been.
i played SWG for a few mounths then left it came back when JTL came out was enjoying it alot but when CU came out every thing changed my Smuggler could no longer use the armour and weapons he had been useing for along time and same goes for my Commando the FLamethrower i was useing i could no longer use and they say to use Hvy weapons you need Hvy Weapons XP but all the Hvy weapons you can't use caus eyou need lvl4 and that takes Hvy weapons XP which you can nolonger earn.
i had a Engineer when JTL came out i pick up starship engineer but after CU i could no longer go to my Harvesters cause it was to dangeriuos and VERY few want to go with a Engineer while he checks all his harvesters and thiese that do want tobe paid unles there Guild members and then they have stuff they need to do so they can earn levels the CU helped Combat types more then none combat types and Entertainers got hosed now you can be a newb and do the same stuff as thoese that mastered it only dif is takes a few extra minets.
They truned Star Wars into Ever Quest in space if i wanted to play Ever Quest i would have bought it they should change Star Wars Galaxys to Quest Wars Galaxy and the new sound effects for weapons sound more like some one fartting it no longer sounds or feels like Star Wars.
SoE is trying to make SWG more like EQ cause EQ is a big money maker bad idea SoE if you never played SWG befor the CU then you won't notice any thing but for us old players it ruined it and when peole stop playing it and alot of them have 2+ accounts thats alot of lost money. The(insert alot of bad words here)that came up with the idea for CU should be skined alive diped in honey and steaked out on a ant hill
SoE bought in the people that did Ever Quest to work on SWG and from all that i have seen they have never seen Star Wars or played any RPGs or Computer games about Star Wars they have no clue as to the feel of Star Wars i give SWG a year maybe then servers will start to be combined cause of lack of players. SoE if your intent was to kill SWG then you did a great job cause SWG is on life support and unless they get a better Doctor it will die.
Guess this influx is due to this thread being a sticky on the home page
For the record, the CU cost SWG zero loss in overall player numbers (they gained quickly, what they had lost) and you will find that in general people now accept that the CU was good for the game and is actually really enjoyable. Numbers have also been increasing since, with a dip when they temporally messed with XP.
There is also a renewed interest in the game, posts like these being a good indication (as they are becoming common). Even some of the regular SWG "haters" (for better words) in this very forum are actually having second thoughts.
However, SWG still has a long way to go to feel like Star Wars. Its certainly a lot more than it was before the CU and I'm sure most who play would agree.
Yeah grapevine, I think the CU was a good thing. It wasn't perfect, but it was really a good change for the positive.
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when CU was on the test server of SWG people was telling them they had a good idea but that it needed more work but SoE did not listen them they wanted CU out for the release of the next expansion which was 2 mounths away so SoE went ahead and released.
SoE keeps saying it listens to its customers but i have yet to see that they do or it goes in one ear and out the other.
SoE was saying they wanted to make SWG more like the movies but in the movies the only ones i evey saw in amour was the Stormtroopers and and a few Rebels when in combat besides that i never saw any one in armour; and what was wrong with the way combat worked befor CU now with CU you have to waite for skills to cool down but the mobs don't they keep attacking as i said befor CU is great if your a combat type or mostly combat you get bonuses to HP..Attack..and Defence none combat types get Zero..nothing a big goose egg it'e like SoE is saying combat is THE most important thing in SWG and the rest of the classes oh well we don't care about them we will leave them in but for the most part we will leave them but give them nothing to make them fun to play.
1 more thing i really liked SWG it is CU i do not like if they do a free week or something to get players back i will check it out and may change my mind but till then......
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A new and interesting item drop is not necessarily content, if achieveing that loot is not fun and engaging. If you have to go to where everyone else knows the loot is and fight them as well as the mobs to get the item.
Then you have the item. Was it worth it when it is going to degrade? Is it worth it paying over 10 million credits for a Anti Decay Kit then, is that now the purpose of Star Wars?
The game CAN be fun, if you are willing to overlook it's massive oversights, and concentrate on making your OWN content. This last sentence is in my mind the greatest prophecy ever to come out of the mouth of Raph Koster, because that is exactly what the game has become. If you want to see the content, go make your own, because SOE did not provide it.
This is a major drawback of SWG. It does not lead you to anything at all, except maybe a Jedi slot if that's what you want.
I would make the comparison to World of Warcraft in this sense. They are old-school quests over there, but they are done in such a manner as to LEAD you to where the content resides. This concept in questing adds content in itself. Let me give an example...
While talking to the guy in the newbie town, he directs you to another guy down the road that has a quest for you. You run a few quests with that guy, and he sends you back to the first guy. That redirection is a quest in itself with a small reward. That first guy then sends you to another place, and another NPC, and so forth. They lead you to where the content is through their quest system.
In this manner, it SEEMS as if there is more content than there actually is in the game. The quest system itself is a content multiplier.
In Galaxies, you are never led to the content. You have to go find it in some godforsaken outland, or make it yourself.
When 'I' say it's not yet a game, what I am saying is that there is no reason to fight in the Civil War yet. There is no reason to play your character, role-play as it were, when there is no purpose to that character. I often state that Bounty Hunter is the only real content in the game. You can play one, because there are missions set aside for you that address...your PURPOSE.
You hunt Bounties, and are rewarded for that.
The same type of content needed to be applied to the game play throughout ALL the professions, but they didn't citing that it was impossible. Even recently, JFreeman announced that Smugglers will never actually Smuggle, because it's impossible.
It's amazing to me how often SOE will contradict themselves, as shortly thereafter the in-concept section of Smuggler announced that Smuggling missions WERE coming. Again doing the impossible?
Squad Leader changes are coming that address it's PURPOSE.
Ranger changes are coming that turn them away from animal hunts, and redirect them to their TRUE PURPOSE.
There needs to be a connection with the Galactic Civil War at ALL levels of the game play, or else it's not Star Wars. To do this, you have to directly apply the concept of PURPOSE to each of the professions through a missions system that will inevitably lead you to the GCW in some manner that reflects the MOVIES.
That's what makes it Star Warsy, not just a place to go to find your own content.
It looks like they are FINALLY heading in that direction.
A lot of people don't like my posts, because they are critical of their religion. But the truth is, this is not a game yet. In a game design, you have to be able to first envision what the end-game looks like, then apply all the peripheral game play to that. THEN you create the PLACES, this is what people remember in games that draws them back. Make the place interesting. In SWG, it's not, it's the same starport no matter where you go nothing really unique to the PLACE. Nothing very creative.
Once all that is hammered out, you have to apply the PURPOSE of each class, how they compliment one another in interweaved play, and then direct them at all levels to the end-game.
In my opinion, SWG was just...thrown together, on the basis that it would sell...because it's STAR WARS. But this type of game requires customer retention to be justified. Another Koster Prophecy that came true, it's ART versus CONTENT. In others words, graphics versus game play. According to him, graphics wins. What you see today is the result of that shortsighted philosophy.
There is no real content in this game. Sure there's tons of stuff, but no PURPOSE, and this is where the real content is found in Star Wars.
But like I said, it's moving in the right direction. It took them 5 years to figure it out, but I think the team is doing an excellent job in applying fixes that address the above problems.
I'm looking forward to coming back and seeing what they've done after smuggling goes live.
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Agreed!!! Crafting is subpar as to what it used to be.
Things definitely do seem to be picking up at SOE.
They've implemented a very nice communication guideline for their development team to follow, which they seem to be adhering to. There has also been a lot more attention given to the forums by the developers, and pertinent questions are being answered.
And now, they're making good their promises. Squad Leader, Ranger and Smuggler. The three professions that are badly in need of re-design/revamp/changes (let's not get pedantic over vocabulary). I have a strong feeling that the Commando will be next. Once the professions get "fixed", I'm sure the GCW will start to fall into place.
I only hope that they give the crafting professions similar attention. Architects could do with some new furniture and structures, and tailors do need a range of NICE clothing (especially for Wookiees). I also think the minimum level requirements for weapons should be removed. The current system is seriously flawed; what's the point of crafting one of 30 weapons that no one wants to use?
I'm going to give you the only honest answer that can be given:
Lots of people enjoy it so yes, it's worth playing. As to whether *you* will find it worth playing? Well... try it and let us know. Because since we are not *you* we don't know.
It's not a bad game it just has features that some like and some don't.
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And another self proclaimed none player crawls out.
Seriously guys you are really starting to grind. We know you don't play, you even keep reminding us. So why bother?
This guy is asking for honest information and all you are doing is kicking dirt because you have issues over how the game used to be, because they banded you, because you can't move on or accept things change.
self proclaimed none player ? Correction - Sony Designated Non-player because I was banned . Accept that and Move along.
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I have been playing swg off and on since launch. If you arent looking for a true to canon star wars experience then yes swg is a good game. It has its flaws (mainly being an soe project with Haden Blackman as part of the team) but it is, imo like George Bush, the lesser of the available evils. The community for the most part is sound and customer service seems to be getting better all the time.
Given its age it is still one of the better looking games available on the market but how much life is in it especially with the movies being over and done with? Who knows?
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Yah if your a Star Wars fan do NOT play this game. It will serve to make you hate it. The continuity errors arent just errors. They are serious rips and tears. And most of them could have been avoided. I really think SOE and LA are doing it on purpose sometimes. Just to destroy it.
But with the last of the six movies over the universe is now completely opened up. You will see alot more books, comics, games, etc coming out now that we got all the info from the movies. Rumors at the Ranch include Lucas selling movie rights to people like Spielberg, an animated series, a TV series, and alot more. I dont know how true they are but Spielberg did let it slip that he and Lucas were talking about it. But that is all he said. That they talked about. They might have also talked about going to a male strip club. Doesnt mean they will.
Plus you have the other time periods. KOTOR and some early comics opened a very nice time period there that I wish LA and Bioware would turn into a MMO. Kun's time period is also a nice one. Plus the Rise of the Sith would be interesting.
So Star Wars is far from dead. There is just way too much unexplored times, worlds, stories, and such for them to kill it off just because the Lucas Movies are done. I know alot of writers said, back during AOTC, that they would be happy when Lucas finally finished his vision so they would have the complete picture.
Kai
True the Star Wars universe is far from dead, but with that said, comics cartoons and the possibility of a tv series arent, imo a glimmer of hope. There is a vast wealth of background information and tons of books etc to draw upon for an mmo, but swg isnt it unfortunately. Part of this is due to failures on the part of Lucas Arts, the rest lie squarely on the shoulders of SOE. If bioware or another company were to make an mmo based off the star wars universe I think it could be an engaging and entertaining experience.
But as far as swg goes it has turned into little more than a marketing medium for Lucas. Hence the inclusion of kashyyyk (which had long been speculated as an addon a good 18 months before it was announces) and now Mustafarr. Though for the timeline planets such as coruscant, hoth and bespin would be far more fitting and could inject much needed life into the game. No it isnt quite dead but at least on my server the population is dwindling and with brighter stars on the horizon I have a feeling that the population will dwindle even further.
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Slight thread hijack real quick.
I hope they take a decade off before anymore live media like movies or shows. Just let the writers do their job to expand on the universe. Comics are good. I hate Blackman for what he did with SWG but his comics werent bad. Heir to the Empire triology is what brought new life into Star Wars but the dark horse comics also helped. I have all of them. Even the old marvel ones.
Back on topic.
I think the biggest problem (I know I will get flamed) is people are getting full of jedi. The past 10 years we have basically had Jedi crammed down our throats. While some books or games came out without jedi, for the most part it has been a huge lean towards jedi. Now we have the virtual world for Star Wars and there it is full of more jedi. I honestly think alot of people are sick of it and that is why they wont play.
At the last big Convention, people didnt really care about the guys dressed as Jedi. They went for the 501st and the non-jedi costumes more then anything. There was one guy dressed up like a Blue Glowie and most people said "Wow how unoriginal."
I know some people will say Jedi are here to stay and Jedi is Star Wars. And I wholeheartedly agree. But if all you eat is chocolate cake for months your gonna get tired of chocolate cake. Should have been rare. I really believe if they had kept jedi rare, this game would have had steady growth. But they gave everyone chocolate cake and people are getting sick of it.
Kai
Ok can I get one post in without a reply Kai? I doubt it but here goes: some people will never get sick of Jedi. I know star wars isn't all about Jedi, but being a Jedi Warrior sadly for you is the pinnacle for most of us. I agree there are too many Jedi in SWG, but I want a lightsaber damnit!
If I could pick one character to be in the Star Wars saga in a video game at the end of the day it's gonna be Luke Skywalker. Sorry bro, that's just me. Darth Vader looks kewl, Boba Fett looks kewl, Han Solo IS kewl, but I want to save the universe.
You should have been at the last convention. The majority hated anyone dressed up like a jedi. Even if they were original costumes.
Yes some people will never get tired of jedi. But the majority are getting tired of them. So the 250k who arent tired of jedi are playing now. Open up no-jedi or PD servers and you get the other million who want to play but are sick of jedi.
I never wanted to be Luke Skywalker. I wanted to be a Stormtrooper or Imperial Officer. You may get to save the universe but you get to look like a dork while you do it. The Imperials just looked so menancing and awesome.
Even in the PnP games I used to GM, most players would go for a stormtrooper suit soon as they could get one.
Kai
When I was a little kid I wanted to be the robber too, but now I think robbers suck and it's the cops I have the most admiration and respect for. Stormtroopers look kewl hell yeah, especially the black outfit ones who fly the TIE fighters. I also dug the dude who pulls the trigger on the Death Star, that big kewl helmet looks way evil.
I don't think Jedi's look like dorks though, on that we will never agree. Sam Jackson and Liam Neeson look DAMN kewl in their robes, and Luke will always be the shizzle no matter what you or anyone else thinks. None of which has anything to do with whether the game is worth playing.
I just played for a few hours tonight and had a blast exping with 3 Jedi's, a Doc and a CH. Ranged Support IV is a bear to achieve but I'm only about 7k combat exp away now
. Can't wait till I make Novice so I can finally wear some armor.
May god have mercy on your soul for insinuating that Luke Skywallker is a dork.
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Well, IMHO SWG - with all its bugs - is more interesting than most of the games listed on this webpage.
Have fun
Erillion
This game was SUPERB in its first year or so. It had great basic systems and a fun and engaging atmosphere.
Then some things went off-balance and weren't fixed. Worse was when the 'fix' did come, it completely took away the game's originality and charm and no it's just a shadow of its former self.
And then there's the jedi system which ruined a lot too. Maybe that was the worst, come to think of it.
But it may still be a good game. I honestly couldn't say, since I can't stop myself from comparing with what it used to be and what it could have been.
i played SWG for a few mounths then left it came back when JTL came out was enjoying it alot but when CU came out every thing changed my Smuggler could no longer use the armour and weapons he had been useing for along time and same goes for my Commando the FLamethrower i was useing i could no longer use and they say to use Hvy weapons you need Hvy Weapons XP but all the Hvy weapons you can't use caus eyou need lvl4 and that takes Hvy weapons XP which you can nolonger earn.
i had a Engineer when JTL came out i pick up starship engineer but after CU i could no longer go to my Harvesters cause it was to dangeriuos and VERY few want to go with a Engineer while he checks all his harvesters and thiese that do want tobe paid unles there Guild members and then they have stuff they need to do so they can earn levels the CU helped Combat types more then none combat types and Entertainers got hosed now you can be a newb and do the same stuff as thoese that mastered it only dif is takes a few extra minets.
They truned Star Wars into Ever Quest in space if i wanted to play Ever Quest i would have bought it they should change Star Wars Galaxys to Quest Wars Galaxy and the new sound effects for weapons sound more like some one fartting it no longer sounds or feels like Star Wars.
SoE is trying to make SWG more like EQ cause EQ is a big money maker bad idea SoE if you never played SWG befor the CU then you won't notice any thing but for us old players it ruined it and when peole stop playing it and alot of them have 2+ accounts thats alot of lost money. The(insert alot of bad words here)that came up with the idea for CU should be skined alive diped in honey and steaked out on a ant hill
SoE bought in the people that did Ever Quest to work on SWG and from all that i have seen they have never seen Star Wars or played any RPGs or Computer games about Star Wars they have no clue as to the feel of Star Wars i give SWG a year maybe then servers will start to be combined cause of lack of players.
SoE if your intent was to kill SWG then you did a great job cause SWG is on life support and unless they get a better Doctor it will die.
Guess this influx is due to this thread being a sticky on the home page
For the record, the CU cost SWG zero loss in overall player numbers (they gained quickly, what they had lost) and you will find that in general people now accept that the CU was good for the game and is actually really enjoyable. Numbers have also been increasing since, with a dip when they temporally messed with XP.
There is also a renewed interest in the game, posts like these being a good indication (as they are becoming common). Even some of the regular SWG "haters" (for better words) in this very forum are actually having second thoughts.
However, SWG still has a long way to go to feel like Star Wars. Its certainly a lot more than it was before the CU and I'm sure most who play would agree.
Yeah grapevine, I think the CU was a good thing. It wasn't perfect, but it was really a good change for the positive.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
when CU was on the test server of SWG people was telling them they had a good idea but that it needed more work but SoE did not listen them they wanted CU out for the release of the next expansion which was 2 mounths away so SoE went ahead and released.
SoE keeps saying it listens to its customers but i have yet to see that they do or it goes in one ear and out the other.
SoE was saying they wanted to make SWG more like the movies but in the movies the only ones i evey saw in amour was the Stormtroopers and and a few Rebels when in combat besides that i never saw any one in armour; and what was wrong with the way combat worked befor CU now with CU you have to waite for skills to cool down but the mobs don't they keep attacking as i said befor CU is great if your a combat type or mostly combat you get bonuses to HP..Attack..and Defence none combat types get Zero..nothing a big goose egg it'e like SoE is saying combat is THE most important thing in SWG and the rest of the classes oh well we don't care about them we will leave them in but for the most part we will leave them but give them nothing to make them fun to play.
1 more thing i really liked SWG it is CU i do not like if they do a free week or something to get players back i will check it out and may change my mind but till then......