Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.
Way to represent the worst the human race has to offer. You are why WoW fan boys get so much shit from the EvE community. In a year of playing I havent heard anyone in eve ever say anything so stupid or hateful. It took about 3 hours in IF for me to see somthing along those lines go by in in red yell letters.
I play both WoW and EvE. I play EvE when I feel like playing a complex game. I play WoW when I feel like bashing somthing with my 2H sword.
I can see my self playing EvE for another 5 years or more. I can see myself playing WoW for about another 8 months or less.
Why?
EvE is a far more in depth game and a tough challenge. WoW is easy and shallow. Both are fun but only one stays fun after a year or two or three.
Originally posted by Maverick827 I have never played EvE, so I wont comment on much, but I can say that it has the worst tutorial I have ever seen for a MMO. They should really update it (if they haven't already) to...not suck so much, for the lack of a better phrase. It was so horrible I can't even comment on gameplay aspects because, if they even showed any, I just exited after it got to a certain point of boredom.
WoW definatly deserves the best PvE slot, no doubt about that. If they would just have cross server Battlegrounds they would have a decent PvP shot, but right now the queues just ruin it. Just qurious though, was Shadowbane on the list at all? I would assume it wasn't, but back in it's day (I should probably update my sig) it had the best PvP hands down.
All in all this proves only that people voted for EvE more then anything else. Does that mean it's the best? No. Does it mean it has a loyal fanbase? Yes. Could it be the best? Sure. Is it? Not in my opinion, but then again I didn't vote.
-> I have never played EvE, so I wont comment on much, but I can say that it has the worst tutorial I have ever seen for a MMO..... WoW definatly deserves the best PvE slot, no doubt about that. <-
Erm - LOL? How can you say things like that if u dont even PLAYED Eve? i bet u didnt played other games aswell and are just a young first-timer with your WoW-Nintendo-Game BACK ASAP TO THE SCHOOL WITH YOU! You're a clown and don't know what u're saying. dismissed
Originally posted by jimmyman99 Originally posted by Castrin Originally posted by jimmyman99 I agree with most winners except best game. Eve cannot be a best game because it fits only a very specific player profile. I think WoW at best or EQ2 at worse should be best game because they fit general MMORPG player profile, they are fit for the masses. Dont take me wrong, I like Eve, but i cant play it for long, its too grinding for me, takes too long to accomplish anything major, takes to long to get to the juicy part. With WoW and EQ2 you get into action right away. Just another reason not to trust online polls 100%If you want a more precise poll, just read the subscribtion numbers, the best game will have the most number of active players. 70k is nowhere near the 5 million (according to WoW press release, 5 mil IS the amount of active player accounts, NOT the total amount of game copies sold).
Instant gratification is NOT a mark of a good MMORPG ... you sir, need professional help.
To even type the above shows a lack of understand of the foundations of MMORPGs on a massive scale. Your ignorance should be used as a printed example of a fanboi gone horribly insane.
MMORPGs are NOT about "fitting a general profile" or how long it takes to get to "the juicy part" (i.e. looking for that flash of instant gratification in your first 2 days of playing) but about team work, player interaction, game depth, and freedom to explore ... to make more of the game and do more in the game (without stooping to exploits) than the game designers can foresee ... to do more than camp a spawn or grind materials for crafting, instead to make it a reason to control an area and make it your home ... to do more than just zerg or war on others, instead to use such methods as well as guerrilla warfare and covert ops to help defend your chosen home ... to have PvP with meaning, with pain, with purpose and to protect those that wish to not partake, supporting both styles in a dynamic universe ... to make PvP mean more than the biggest sword / gun / ship / fist, instead to make it a part of everything in the game. And finally to do all of this in one, non sharded, gaming world which in turn makes a stronger game community because we have no technological limits or need to make an character on 'xyz' server to do any of the above with others we meet in the community outside of the gaming world.
EVE does it, it breaks the mold that the mega game producers want to use to make cookie cutter games like WoW and EQ ... and the players out there know it and that is why it won.
Peace.
Before you tell someone to seek out professional help, think about what you are saying. You are saying "I dont care care what 5 million people think, I think Eve is the best so THEY are wrong".. This is ignorance talking. For the most part, Eve reaches its maximum reward at the latter stage, when you have established yourself in the universe, you have credits, good corp, lots of money, raised your skills to pilot best of the best ship, and you have blueprints for that super duper ship that no other corp has. This is all fine but it takes literaly months of real time gameplay, and i mean 5-10 hours per day gameplay to reach that spot. In between, you grind, you try to make your living, you cant realy PvP since you can loose your ship and everything you worked for the last month if you get ganked by 2 15 year olds with bad attitude. Now just becuase you like Eve, dont assume its the best game. Its the best game for YOU maybe, but not so many others. If it were best game for most people, Eve would have 5 million active subscribers.
And yes, I think whatever game has most active subscribers (not counting free games) is better game. I have a trust in human beings, I think people wouldnt pay to play a game they do not enjoy. Even is fun game, but you need to invest a LOT of real life time to get to the realy fun part. You have to get through a lot of grinding, traveling, raising skills which you cannot speed up, if it says you need 1 month to raise your specific skill, it will take 1 real life month. Im sorry I offended your fanboism, but you need to cool off before posting such posts. And before you brand me with fanboism, I dont play any MMORPG atm - even though WoW is best in a sense "get in - start having fun right away", even that game takes too much time for a working man with tight schedule. if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me.
about your comment: if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me...
with 1 look at your signature and the 106 hrs a week alone for civ - i have a good laugh at you. Thats 15 hrs every day dewd.... i play Eve and i dont even can / want reach 50% of your playtime... To be honest - how shortminded must a person be to write crap like this and having a signature under his post that exactly reveals him as a bag of warm air? You're just another clown, and if i'd invest so many time like you in a virtual world with my age of almost 30 now... I'd even think that i might be a so called 'Real Life Looser' - get it? So who you're bullshitting and whats the reason?
Originally posted by Morgaur Well I must say that I used to play EvE a while ago. However Im not patient enough for that game hehe. But that doesent stop me from saying that EvE is probably the best mmo I have ever played. I know it sounds weird but thats the mere fact. If you want in depth, good graphics, total freedom, no grind. Thats EvE I just wish, O' I wish I could love that game So now Im stuck with WoW......... with high hopes that someday, somewhere there will be a incredible mmo released by some geniouses. Until then, I vote for EvE as the best game ever played!
I know this feeling, I was in the exect same situation a year ago, as I hate grinding and I hate doing all this mindless stuff in most games, hell, WoW even somehow sucseeded in making PvP kind of mindless (battlegrounds) But once I was browsing the WoW roleplay forum someone mentioned a game, a game with free-for-all PvP, player driven markets and towns, no grinding ot leveling, no itemgrinding and serious death penality to make playing serious and exiting... and there was it, Trials of Ascension.
I think its too silent, I mean there are so many people that love this kind of game but never know about it because no one talks enough about it, anyway, here it is:
Originally posted by Kantek Originally posted by Morgaur Well I must say that I used to play EvE a while ago. However Im not patient enough for that game hehe. But that doesent stop me from saying that EvE is probably the best mmo I have ever played. I know it sounds weird but thats the mere fact. If you want in depth, good graphics, total freedom, no grind. Thats EvE I just wish, O' I wish I could love that game So now Im stuck with WoW......... with high hopes that someday, somewhere there will be a incredible mmo released by some geniouses. Until then, I vote for EvE as the best game ever played!
I know this feeling, I was in the exect same situation a year ago, as I hate grinding and I hate doing all this mindless stuff in most games, hell, WoW even somehow sucseeded in making PvP kind of mindless (battlegrounds) But once I was browsing the WoW roleplay forum someone mentioned a game, a game with free-for-all PvP, player driven markets and towns, no grinding ot leveling, no itemgrinding and serious death penality to make playing serious and exiting... and there was it, Trials of Ascension.
I think its too silent, I mean there are so many people that love this kind of game but never know about it because no one talks enough about it, anyway, here it is:
And if you dont like diffacoulty, dont click the link, and oh, did I mention it got the most mature fanbase Ive ever seen in my opinion.
mmm nice nice... the thing is dewd:
Age of Ascension = Estimated release date of 2008/9
Surely it looks promising, but HOW can you throw arguments like this into the room if the game is a closed BETA? I guess we'll discuss about that game when there are some serious news / open Beta or whatever
Originally posted by Masema The relatively slow pace set in space isn't to the majoritys taste, but it also provides incredible depth and longevity.
Coming from and FPS game background, I find this aspect of Eve quite a relief. The slow pace requires a more thoughtful, patient style of gameplay. From what I have seen, this keeps the game from filling up with foul-mouthed 14 year olds (only a couple members of my corp are under 30 and none of them under 25).
I am also happy to see CCP win the "Best Company" award. Whenever I have had dealings with thier customer support, the responses have been prompt, professional, and, most importantly, resolved the issue on the first try. In my opinion, most American companies would benefit from studying this little Icelandic company's customer service philosophy.
Originally posted by rznkain Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.
Originally posted by GaiusFalco I am also happy to see CCP win the "Best Company" award. Whenever I have had dealings with thier customer support, the responses have been prompt, professional, and, most importantly, resolved the issue on the first try. In my opinion, most American companies would benefit from studying this little Icelandic company's customer service philosophy.
I've had the same experience with customer support. I don't think any other company can compete with CCPs customer care and very helpful support network.
Originally posted by rznkain Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.
I just saw these awards and since I have played both WoW and EVE I wanted to post my opinion.
Eve-Online- It is the most diverse and complex MMO I have ever seen. It does start out slow, and yes it has a huge learning curve. You don't jump in the game with normal gear and then go grind the nearest mob for lvls/money. You need to think about what you want to do before you even make your character!
Best way to play Eve is to browse the forums, learn about the game before you start playing, and make the perfect character for you! After that the possibilities of what you can do in the game are endless. I know people who have played for almost 3 years now, have all the money they could ever need, built the best ships/gear even own their own Station, and I asked them whats left...? They told me " Too damn much!"
Eve is NOT FUN SOLO, least for most people. Its one of the few MMO's you actually need people to help enjoy the game, not that you need friends, but you HAVE to interact with other people to get anything you want. In WoW I could solo forever to get my epics....
WOW- I quit eve for about 6 months after my corp was hit with the Largest In-game Theft ever! I still kept my skills training ( Best part about EVE). I loved WOW, I had actually been waiting for it when EVE came around. I played with a couple friends, and took a long time lvling up, due to still playing EVE heavy for awhile. Once I got past 40 I was a WOW guy, I joined a guild, did instances and quickly got to lvl 60 and started the High level Instance grind for gear. This is what killed WoW for me. The PVP is not about player skills its about having your character online 24/7 in the battlegrounds. The Epic gear grind is rediculus, fun the first... oh I dunno 20-50 times per instance, but after you master them it all becomes time, and trying to beat out 4-6 other players in your cast for gear each week.
Conclusion: WoW is fun and addictive and yes very very "pretty" lvls 1-59. Eve has the best end-game of an MMO out there because its impossible to do everything and more keeps coming!
I will be back in WoW for the Expansion lvls 60-70 here I come!
i played most mmogs ...eve online ..best game ...?! wtf is wrong with the peeps on these boards
or prehaps a more suitable question would be wtf is wrong with you?
personaly i would compare WOW to drafts/checkers....easy to learn , easy to play not much depth...fun eve would be chess = harder to learn, hardern to play a lot more depth, takes a lot of time...but can be a hell of a lot more satisfying and entertaining if you put the effort in to learn the game.
but both games are aimed at different crowds...you cant reallt compare them...and for anyone who is crying that their game didnt win a readers poll...ffs grow up will you..doesnt mean that the game you play will now be cancled...nor will you loose any of your 5 mil subscribers (seesm the only reason wow fans can come up with why they should win is there 5 mil subscribers)
anyhow...for a unkown company like ccp, with their first MMO even to be nominated (never loan win) against known companies like blizzard and SOE with their established mass media brandnames such as WOW, SWG, Everquest is an accomplishment in itself
Originally posted by rznkain Eve online the mmog made by faggots for faggots,just goes to show how messed up this site is that this game won anything much less is at top of chart on mmog ratings.Guess they have alot of time to spam votes though as they lvl up even when not in game.Would love to see the ppl who play WoW-Eq2 encourage there forums and player bases to come here and vote up there games thats how Eve got on top was due to Eve's on devs posting and begging there players to come here and inflate there score.
Well I'm new here but I've been pretty surprised by the posts in this thread. I've been online gaming for around seven years and have played Eve since early Beta. I'm part of a large corporation in Eve thats actually in several other games as well (SW & WoW among them). We kind of go from game to game and often our members play multiple games at once.
Community - Eve-Online is a completely different kind of game. Likewise they have a completely different kind of player. In WoW and EQ2 and especially SW I saw so much "lewt kiddie" talk I felt like I was standing in a hallway at a junior high during class break. It was honestly just disappointing but I quickly realized that was the Eve difference. The players. When I first started Eve I was part of a corporation with members over 35 who were all real life businessmen. We started a corporation based on economic control. In eve the market is player run and very cyclical from region to region. Players can set up a monopoly in an area with enough work. And it is alot of work.
Graphics - Eve graphics are so good because they seem real. Comparing graphics from EQ2 or WoW or SW really is irrelevant. A cartoon is a cartoon. In Eve after awhile you often feel like you're really out in space. When this game came out I was playing Earth and Beyond (cartoon galaxy). Honestly games like WoW and EQ2 feel more like E&B when I compare them to Eve.
Designers - CCP has done an excellent job with customer service and the free upgrades are sensational. When they have a major rollout the servers go down for a day or two and they install it FOR FREE. You don't have to run out, pay another $29.99 or whatever, and take another hit in the wallet. Upgrades at Eve are free. CCP does a decent job answering petitions and I've talked ingame to developers who are flying around checking stuff out. In close to a year of EQ2 and WoW I can honestly say I've NEVER had a dev come up and talk to me out of the blue (much less answer a forum post). As a smaller company CCP probably realizes they need to satisfy the customer first and foremost. I kind of look at WoW and EQ2 as "WalMart" in nature. Really big but often very hard to get answers from as well. I view Eve as more a "Nordstroms" store. Smaller but focused on service and responsive to player input.
Storyline - Here is where Eve really shines. I'm an RP'er and I work off the Eve backstory. Honestly who hasn't closed their eyes and dreamed of flying on a starship somewhere? The point is Eve can "seem" real because its a dream so many have. Now look at EQ2 or WoW and ask yourself if that "life" is a RL dream for you? The fact the graphics in Eve are so good and so realistic versus cartoon based just magnify this distinction. The overall storyline is deep and there have been player "events" that have directed that storyline. Player input matters and they pay attention to it.
Best Game - Well thats subjective. I've never been a big "wand waver". Playing Horizons, EQ2 and WoW in the last year wasn't really alot of fun because it is such a grind after awhile. Eve on the other hand has something different every day. 5000 star systems to play in and 20,000 people online at once on one server means you could run into just about anything. Eve is only a grind if you let it be. Still the category is subjective. If you're into the "lewt kiddie" talk and have a very short attention span you'd probably not like Eve. The instant gratification isn't there. Then again if youre a corporate minded person, enjoy working in groups, enjoy tracking markets and making money, enjoy theft, murder, robbery, all as legitimate ways of making a living, then yes Eve offers a unique play experience. The fact Eve players as a whole are older indicates there is something there thats attractive to those who have "slowed down" a bit (like myself at 40). So sure Eve fans are obsessed about their game. With 100x more players other games should've ruled this category even with a few obsessed fans.
Problems - Oh sure Eve isnt perfect. After a patch its usually a couple of weeks of hotfixes to get everything working well (free big patches not the little ones). They do have a daily downtime which is annoying somewhat but you get used to it. The large influx of players has meant our 5000 system universe with 6,000 people on line at once has become crowded with 20,000 and lag is an issue in some places (but not many). Eve will shortly have one of the 500 fastest supercomputer servers in the world running its game (no other game comes close). There is an issue with macro players but the player community has really rallied against them and deal with them in their own ways. Ebay is a problem but every now and then CCP will come out and post they've banned 100 or so accounts for it so at least they're making an effort. Still the problems aren't that bad and the game is pretty good.
Conclusion - So congratulations to all the winners and to the runner ups. No one lost the competition people who blame "multiple accounts" or whatever for Eve's victory need to look at the overall numbers and at the games themselves. When one game has 100x fewer players and fewer accounts here and still wins maybe its a decent game. Its not for everyone and you don't have to love it. But don't make excuses and slam winner. Be gracious in defeat.
Originally posted by ErikMesa Well I'm new here but I've been pretty surprised by the posts in this thread. I've been online gaming for around seven years and have played Eve since early Beta. I'm part of a large corporation in Eve thats actually in several other games as well (SW & WoW among them). We kind of go from game to game and often our members play multiple games at once. Community - Eve-Online is a completely different kind of game. Likewise they have a completely different kind of player. In WoW and EQ2 and especially SW I saw so much "lewt kiddie" talk I felt like I was standing in a hallway at a junior high during class break. It was honestly just disappointing but I quickly realized that was the Eve difference. The players. When I first started Eve I was part of a corporation with members over 35 who were all real life businessmen. We started a corporation based on economic control. In eve the market is player run and very cyclical from region to region. Players can set up a monopoly in an area with enough work. And it is alot of work. Graphics - Eve graphics are so good because they seem real. Comparing graphics from EQ2 or WoW or SW really is irrelevant. A cartoon is a cartoon. In Eve after awhile you often feel like you're really out in space. When this game came out I was playing Earth and Beyond (cartoon galaxy). Honestly games like WoW and EQ2 feel more like E&B when I compare them to Eve. Designers - CCP has done an excellent job with customer service and the free upgrades are sensational. When they have a major rollout the servers go down for a day or two and they install it FOR FREE. You don't have to run out, pay another $29.99 or whatever, and take another hit in the wallet. Upgrades at Eve are free. CCP does a decent job answering petitions and I've talked ingame to developers who are flying around checking stuff out. In close to a year of EQ2 and WoW I can honestly say I've NEVER had a dev come up and talk to me out of the blue (much less answer a forum post). As a smaller company CCP probably realizes they need to satisfy the customer first and foremost. I kind of look at WoW and EQ2 as "WalMart" in nature. Really big but often very hard to get answers from as well. I view Eve as more a "Nordstroms" store. Smaller but focused on service and responsive to player input. Storyline - Here is where Eve really shines. I'm an RP'er and I work off the Eve backstory. Honestly who hasn't closed their eyes and dreamed of flying on a starship somewhere? The point is Eve can "seem" real because its a dream so many have. Now look at EQ2 or WoW and ask yourself if that "life" is a RL dream for you? The fact the graphics in Eve are so good and so realistic versus cartoon based just magnify this distinction. The overall storyline is deep and there have been player "events" that have directed that storyline. Player input matters and they pay attention to it. Best Game - Well thats subjective. I've never been a big "wand waver". Playing Horizons, EQ2 and WoW in the last year wasn't really alot of fun because it is such a grind after awhile. Eve on the other hand has something different every day. 5000 star systems to play in and 20,000 people online at once on one server means you could run into just about anything. Eve is only a grind if you let it be. Still the category is subjective. If you're into the "lewt kiddie" talk and have a very short attention span you'd probably not like Eve. The instant gratification isn't there. Then again if youre a corporate minded person, enjoy working in groups, enjoy tracking markets and making money, enjoy theft, murder, robbery, all as legitimate ways of making a living, then yes Eve offers a unique play experience. The fact Eve players as a whole are older indicates there is something there thats attractive to those who have "slowed down" a bit (like myself at 40). So sure Eve fans are obsessed about their game. With 100x more players other games should've ruled this category even with a few obsessed fans. Problems - Oh sure Eve isnt perfect. After a patch its usually a couple of weeks of hotfixes to get everything working well (free big patches not the little ones). They do have a daily downtime which is annoying somewhat but you get used to it. The large influx of players has meant our 5000 system universe with 6,000 people on line at once has become crowded with 20,000 and lag is an issue in some places (but not many). Eve will shortly have one of the 500 fastest supercomputer servers in the world running its game (no other game comes close). There is an issue with macro players but the player community has really rallied against them and deal with them in their own ways. Ebay is a problem but every now and then CCP will come out and post they've banned 100 or so accounts for it so at least they're making an effort. Still the problems aren't that bad and the game is pretty good. Conclusion - So congratulations to all the winners and to the runner ups. No one lost the competition people who blame "multiple accounts" or whatever for Eve's victory need to look at the overall numbers and at the games themselves. When one game has 100x fewer players and fewer accounts here and still wins maybe its a decent game. Its not for everyone and you don't have to love it. But don't make excuses and slam winner. Be gracious in defeat. ErikMesa
I started my MMO experience with EVE, about 2 years ago.
I never played anything else before and I wasn't the "player type", so I started with a 14-days trial account. Since I never played OnLine games before, something happened that I wasn't prepared for. I incidently bumped into a real person! (I tried taking cargo from someone else's container) Imagine the shock I went through when that person aproached me directly, threatening to shoot at me if I don't leave that stuff alone. This is how I got into my first Corporation and that's when things started getting really interesting. EVE got me addicted and I sticked to the game for 6 months, playing 24/7.
Then I realized that my real life if going down-the-hill, while I was living in another universe - the EVE universe. So, I bit the rock and left EVE, so I don't end-up begging on the streets for something to eat. After things came back to normal, I started looking for some other MMO, hopefuly some less addictive one.
I found Project Entropia to be interesting for about a month, but even though the game is "free", you need to buy anything you need, while everything worth using is decaying pretty fast. After playing for about two weeks, I spent more on PE than in those 6 months playing EVE-Online. Then I started just running arround and looking at the scenery, playing the annoying rookie. About a week of that and I got sick and tired of PE.
Then I went out looking for anything else I could find interesting enough to try out. Played Anarchy Online for about two weeks, then it got boring. Played Risk Your Life for two weeks, then it got boring.
Then I got myself a GuildWars account. The game has nice graphics and a nice storyline, with a relatively good Tutorial (first part of the game). After completing all the quests in the Tutorial, it led me to the next part of the game, which wasn't so nice-looking anymore. About 2 months later, I ended up at L17 (L20 is max), mostly doing missions. I did most of the missions playing solo with NPC helpers, because it was a real pain waiting for a "human troop" to gather (sometimes took even one hour before everyone was ready). Playing alone here was more fun than the other free games arround (GuildWars has no subscription fee), but after you finish all the missions, there isn't much left to do. I still like to start the game non-and-ten, move arround from place to place, grind-a-little and look for someone to chat, but that's the end of the story.
Looking arround, I didn't see anything else of interest than EVE and WoW. Since I already played EVE once, I paid the subscription and went back in (after about six months of absence), to see if my old Corp is still there. And ... everyone who was there a year ago, still played the game, now being one of the large Corporations in the EVE universe. But, the reason why I left the game was still present (high addiction), so I spent my 4 weeks there, playing with my former colegues, then went back Off-Line.
Looking for a substitute, I started thinking about giving WoW a try, mostly because of all the hype arround it. And since most of my real life friends were playing World of Warcraft, even though I wasn't fond of the idea spending $45 for the first month and then $13 for every next month, I got myself a WoW account and started playing.
Going through quests got me to L10 after a few hours of playing (less than a day). After I went through most quests at lower levels, I started getting quests in which I didn't even know where I have to go to complete them. A number of quests were so poorly described, that I didn't even know what I had to do. What seemed to be a solution to my problem was to buy the Official WoW Players Guide, spending another $30.
Well, not really. I already went past the initial quests and it didn't describe any quests after level 20. Then I went out looking for anything I could find to help me solve the next quests, so I can move on to the higher level. After a while, I was so frustrated that I went out grinding.
The only people I could get some help from were my real-life friends, while the rest of the community was only interested in silly little Duels (one-on-one fights in safe places), which mostly ended in insults (the one who lost spit on the other one).
After about 2 months of playing WoW, I saw 1/2 of the map, played all the races and tryed out all the character types. It was a very nice-looking experience, but it also got really boring.
I canceled my WoW subscription 4 weeks ago, then reinstalled GuildWars and played there about a week. Boring.
I'm now tempted to go back to EVE Online, but I'm affraid that I won't be able to resist the temptation to replace my real life with the EVE universe again. I know that, when I start playing EVE, I will again be sitting there night-and-day, my wife will start packing her bags and ... eventually, I will die of hunger, sitting in my ship in the EVE universe.
Having said all of that, from my point of view, there isn't a single game that really stands a chance against EVE Online. The addiction level for adult players fascinated by Science Fiction is just too high in EVE to resist. If you are a Star Trek fan like me and are looking for a REALLY GOOD GAME which will keep you fastened at your seatbelt for a long long time, look no further: play EVE Online!
The game now boasts over 5-million world wide subscribers and is primarily driven by player vs. environment-based content.
WOW WINS BEST PVE <------- lollerskates
That is interpreted as GRIND GRIND GRIND
Now, I dont need to spell out to you what MMORPG means do i?
If you want to go kill some stupid ass AI mob for the easy life then WOW is for you
IF however, you want to go fight some REAL PLAYERS with REAL BRAINS for a challenge and not some stupid ai , then EVE my friends , is for YOU.
and you dont even have to be at that uber lvl60 to win the fight either, EVE is about BRAINS, and using them, a noob could pwnzor a 2 year old vet if the noob uses his brians for the situation.
There is a reason why EVE WON BEST PVP , and combined with over 20k (and rising) players on the same server in the same world, EVE truly is a MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME
I've been playing games for 8 or so years now (since the Counter-Strike boom). I've played pretty much all major (and a few non-major) MMO's. From PlanetSide, to DarkSpace, to UO, to GW. I've been around basicly.
I've played EVE before, and because I was young (15 or so), I didn't have a big attention span, and I left because quite frankly, the game is HUGE and it was beyond my understanding. Earlier last year I started to play WoW, and I had fun. I got a fair few level 60 characters, got into a guild, raided tons, PVP tons... I left after 6 months, because it was no longer fun. I had seen all there was to see. I had my epic set, I'd faught rogues, preists... It got repetitve real quick.
That sparked my interest into EVE again. Just to see how it was doing. It sucked me in big time the second time I played it. EVE is litraly too big to completly understand. You need to sit back and take a really long think about just how complex and huge this game is. You can do ANYTHING you want too. Create multi-million isk scams, that CCP won't interfeer with, simply because CCP provided the sand pit, and gave you the spade and bucket. You decide what you want to do. Pirate, NPC hunt, PVP, Scam, Build and Research, Explore, Mine, Haul... It's up to you.
It's not just all AFK mining or AFK jumping either. Yes the game world is big, but that doesn't mean you can go AFK. If you enter a low sec system, you better make damn sure you keep your eyes out and scan the system before jumping in, all guns blazing. There's no police in 0.4 and below, meaning anyone can shoot anyone. And it's not just a simple case of "Don't go into the low secs you nubinz!", to really get to the heart of the game, that's where the action is at. Alliance v Alliance, NPC's that can do just as much as you can, and are smart (not your average dumb NPC's that use basic attacks). They can scramble, jam, nos you... I'll admit, once you've spent time training certain skills, you can tank almost all normal NPC spawns, but some will catch you off guard (like faction spawns).
I'm no EVE fanboy, so please, don't come crying to me with your insults and "OMGZOR, FANBOI ALERTZ YO!". I love DarkSpace more than any other game (just wish it had the advertisment and budget to get off its feet), and if anything, I detest EVE because it's DarkSpace's only real enemy (no other space MMO's out there worth looking at appart from DS and EVE). Whilst DS isn't going to win any awards any time soon, EVE has, and it's a seriously good game. So is WoW, don't get me wrong, but for sheer longitivity, EVE has WoW by the balls. You don't get to level 60 in weeks, you do it in YEARS.
Now for graphics, half of you noobs who can't even begin to understand how EVE works. EVE has a complex graphics system that maps several detailed skins over a model. This allows the game to work at relitivly smooth levels in any scenario. I don't care how pretty EQ2 is... I have a monster machine, and it still runs like a dogs ass in some places. Quite simply, EVE has a far superior way of handling graphics. Making it look pretty, whilst keeping the action moving. And I have no idea how you can stand around in some systems without crying, it's litraly that beautiful. EQ2 is barely a year old, whereas EVE is 4 years old. The graphics engine has hardly changed, and it still looks better than 95% of the games out there.
Just try to realise what EVE is, and don't bash it simply because of "fanboys". The players love the game so much, they come here and vote for it, because they think it's that great. There's a reason they play that game, and it's because they love it. Why don't WoW players come and vote (and it's not because they're all too busy playing the game)? Other people here have quoted 5x more posts here than the EVE community, so doesn't that just put all your small made up "fanboi" rants to pot?
WoW is a good game, but simply put. It does not compare to EVE in the above mentioned catagories it won. In graphics, EVE has WoW by the balls, and other MMO's too. In PVP, it's simply the best PVP game out there. I PVP'd in WoW, and other games, and it simply comes head and shoulders above the rest (except maybe DarkSpace). Best company, easily CCP, they do so much for the community and just generaly screw around sometimes just to get some laughs. I don't see any BLZD employees yelling "BOOBIES!".
EVE is an insanly huge game that's changing all the time. You can't play this game and call it crap, it will do you no credit. It's like me saying WoW is crap, when clearly it isn't. But you all have to realise that EVE is simply better in these catagorys than the other games.
If there are more fanboys here from EVE, why are there more posts in the WoW forum?
Which brings me to another point: because eve is all in one server and the community is so tightknit: fame is possible in the game Thats a major draw for me
Cause I loathe alliances and refuse to be part of one. Plus I wasn't too much of a forum whore as is your corp.
If you chilled in the Citadel for one week when I was on you'd hear people bitchin' about me.
And honestly......how many people can go on a rampage in Niyabainen without Concord intervention and not get banned by the senior GM's?
Eh.....me.
Unfortunately I quit cause my friends all moved to other games.
Originally posted by Knallkopp Originally posted by jimmyman99 Originally posted by Castrin Originally posted by jimmyman99 I agree with most winners except best game. Eve cannot be a best game because it fits only a very specific player profile. I think WoW at best or EQ2 at worse should be best game because they fit general MMORPG player profile, they are fit for the masses. Dont take me wrong, I like Eve, but i cant play it for long, its too grinding for me, takes too long to accomplish anything major, takes to long to get to the juicy part. With WoW and EQ2 you get into action right away. Just another reason not to trust online polls 100%If you want a more precise poll, just read the subscribtion numbers, the best game will have the most number of active players. 70k is nowhere near the 5 million (according to WoW press release, 5 mil IS the amount of active player accounts, NOT the total amount of game copies sold).
Instant gratification is NOT a mark of a good MMORPG ... you sir, need professional help.
To even type the above shows a lack of understand of the foundations of MMORPGs on a massive scale. Your ignorance should be used as a printed example of a fanboi gone horribly insane.
MMORPGs are NOT about "fitting a general profile" or how long it takes to get to "the juicy part" (i.e. looking for that flash of instant gratification in your first 2 days of playing) but about team work, player interaction, game depth, and freedom to explore ... to make more of the game and do more in the game (without stooping to exploits) than the game designers can foresee ... to do more than camp a spawn or grind materials for crafting, instead to make it a reason to control an area and make it your home ... to do more than just zerg or war on others, instead to use such methods as well as guerrilla warfare and covert ops to help defend your chosen home ... to have PvP with meaning, with pain, with purpose and to protect those that wish to not partake, supporting both styles in a dynamic universe ... to make PvP mean more than the biggest sword / gun / ship / fist, instead to make it a part of everything in the game. And finally to do all of this in one, non sharded, gaming world which in turn makes a stronger game community because we have no technological limits or need to make an character on 'xyz' server to do any of the above with others we meet in the community outside of the gaming world.
EVE does it, it breaks the mold that the mega game producers want to use to make cookie cutter games like WoW and EQ ... and the players out there know it and that is why it won.
Peace.
Before you tell someone to seek out professional help, think about what you are saying. You are saying "I dont care care what 5 million people think, I think Eve is the best so THEY are wrong".. This is ignorance talking. For the most part, Eve reaches its maximum reward at the latter stage, when you have established yourself in the universe, you have credits, good corp, lots of money, raised your skills to pilot best of the best ship, and you have blueprints for that super duper ship that no other corp has. This is all fine but it takes literaly months of real time gameplay, and i mean 5-10 hours per day gameplay to reach that spot. In between, you grind, you try to make your living, you cant realy PvP since you can loose your ship and everything you worked for the last month if you get ganked by 2 15 year olds with bad attitude. Now just becuase you like Eve, dont assume its the best game. Its the best game for YOU maybe, but not so many others. If it were best game for most people, Eve would have 5 million active subscribers.
And yes, I think whatever game has most active subscribers (not counting free games) is better game. I have a trust in human beings, I think people wouldnt pay to play a game they do not enjoy. Even is fun game, but you need to invest a LOT of real life time to get to the realy fun part. You have to get through a lot of grinding, traveling, raising skills which you cannot speed up, if it says you need 1 month to raise your specific skill, it will take 1 real life month. Im sorry I offended your fanboism, but you need to cool off before posting such posts. And before you brand me with fanboism, I dont play any MMORPG atm - even though WoW is best in a sense "get in - start having fun right away", even that game takes too much time for a working man with tight schedule. if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me.
about your comment: if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me...
with 1 look at your signature and the 106 hrs a week alone for civ - i have a good laugh at you. Thats 15 hrs every day dewd.... i play Eve and i dont even can / want reach 50% of your playtime... To be honest - how shortminded must a person be to write crap like this and having a signature under his post that exactly reveals him as a bag of warm air? You're just another clown, and if i'd invest so many time like you in a virtual world with my age of almost 30 now... I'd even think that i might be a so called 'Real Life Looser' - get it? So who you're bullshitting and whats the reason?
Hehe ... I run Civ on my computer nonstop, thats where all my hours come from. I dont bother to shut it down since it doesnt disrupt my system, i just ALT+TAB to desktop if i need anything. I usualy play around 2-3 hours a day, but very irregularely.
I voted ccp as favorite company. Because well ... It's the only company who do something serious about macroers. The only company who really care about the customer support. When you loose your ship because of a bug, or because someone hacked your account. You WILL get a replacement, and get your isk back. (and in case of hack the badass will get banned for sure).
Best pvp, well I voted guildwars first. But I voted eve because of the pvp system. First pvp matters, 2nd pvp is not noloss. 3rd new player are REALY usefull. I made a full thread about it on voting topic.
But I didn't voted eve for the graphics. Because I find it's too fanboyish. Beautifull for sure but I think that EQII is quite photorealistic and wow got a better work for his style.
So I'm not totaly utter fanboy. And I think other player made like me. vote only for the game who really desserve it.
Comments
Way to represent the worst the human race has to offer. You are why WoW fan boys get so much shit from the EvE community. In a year of playing I havent heard anyone in eve ever say anything so stupid or hateful. It took about 3 hours in IF for me to see somthing along those lines go by in in red yell letters.
I play both WoW and EvE. I play EvE when I feel like playing a complex game. I play WoW when I feel like bashing somthing with my 2H sword.
I can see my self playing EvE for another 5 years or more. I can see myself playing WoW for about another 8 months or less.
Why?
EvE is a far more in depth game and a tough challenge. WoW is easy and shallow. Both are fun but only one stays fun after a year or two or three.
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I have never played EvE, so I wont comment on much, but I can say that it has the worst tutorial I have ever seen for a MMO.....
WoW definatly deserves the best PvE slot, no doubt about that. <-
Erm - LOL?
How can you say things like that if u dont even PLAYED Eve? i bet u didnt played other games aswell and are just a young first-timer with your WoW-Nintendo-Game
BACK ASAP TO THE SCHOOL WITH YOU!
You're a clown and don't know what u're saying.
dismissed
Instant gratification is NOT a mark of a good MMORPG ... you sir, need professional help.
To even type the above shows a lack of understand of the foundations of MMORPGs on a massive scale. Your ignorance should be used as a printed example of a fanboi gone horribly insane.
MMORPGs are NOT about "fitting a general profile" or how long it takes to get to "the juicy part" (i.e. looking for that flash of instant gratification in your first 2 days of playing) but about team work, player interaction, game depth, and freedom to explore ... to make more of the game and do more in the game (without stooping to exploits) than the game designers can foresee ... to do more than camp a spawn or grind materials for crafting, instead to make it a reason to control an area and make it your home ... to do more than just zerg or war on others, instead to use such methods as well as guerrilla warfare and covert ops to help defend your chosen home ... to have PvP with meaning, with pain, with purpose and to protect those that wish to not partake, supporting both styles in a dynamic universe ... to make PvP mean more than the biggest sword / gun / ship / fist, instead to make it a part of everything in the game. And finally to do all of this in one, non sharded, gaming world which in turn makes a stronger game community because we have no technological limits or need to make an character on 'xyz' server to do any of the above with others we meet in the community outside of the gaming world.
EVE does it, it breaks the mold that the mega game producers want to use to make cookie cutter games like WoW and EQ ... and the players out there know it and that is why it won.
Peace.
Before you tell someone to seek out professional help, think about what you are saying. You are saying "I dont care care what 5 million people think, I think Eve is the best so THEY are wrong".. This is ignorance talking. For the most part, Eve reaches its maximum reward at the latter stage, when you have established yourself in the universe, you have credits, good corp, lots of money, raised your skills to pilot best of the best ship, and you have blueprints for that super duper ship that no other corp has. This is all fine but it takes literaly months of real time gameplay, and i mean 5-10 hours per day gameplay to reach that spot. In between, you grind, you try to make your living, you cant realy PvP since you can loose your ship and everything you worked for the last month if you get ganked by 2 15 year olds with bad attitude.
Now just becuase you like Eve, dont assume its the best game. Its the best game for YOU maybe, but not so many others. If it were best game for most people, Eve would have 5 million active subscribers.
And yes, I think whatever game has most active subscribers (not counting free games) is better game. I have a trust in human beings, I think people wouldnt pay to play a game they do not enjoy. Even is fun game, but you need to invest a LOT of real life time to get to the realy fun part. You have to get through a lot of grinding, traveling, raising skills which you cannot speed up, if it says you need 1 month to raise your specific skill, it will take 1 real life month. Im sorry I offended your fanboism, but you need to cool off before posting such posts. And before you brand me with fanboism, I dont play any MMORPG atm - even though WoW is best in a sense "get in - start having fun right away", even that game takes too much time for a working man with tight schedule. if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me.
about your comment:
if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me...
with 1 look at your signature and the 106 hrs a week alone for civ - i have a good laugh at you. Thats 15 hrs every day dewd.... i play Eve and i dont even can / want reach 50% of your playtime...
To be honest - how shortminded must a person be to write crap like this and having a signature under his post that exactly reveals him as a bag of warm air?
You're just another clown, and if i'd invest so many time like you in a virtual world with my age of almost 30 now... I'd even think that i might be a so called 'Real Life Looser' - get it?
So who you're bullshitting and whats the reason?
I know this feeling, I was in the exect same situation a year ago, as I hate grinding and I hate doing all this mindless stuff in most games, hell, WoW even somehow sucseeded in making PvP kind of mindless (battlegrounds)
But once I was browsing the WoW roleplay forum someone mentioned a game, a game with free-for-all PvP, player driven markets and towns, no grinding ot leveling, no itemgrinding and serious death penality to make playing serious and exiting... and there was it, Trials of Ascension.
I think its too silent, I mean there are so many people that love this kind of game but never know about it because no one talks enough about it, anyway, here it is:
Site: http://www.shadowpool.com
And if you dont like diffacoulty, dont click the link, and oh, did I mention it got the most mature fanbase Ive ever seen in my opinion.
I know this feeling, I was in the exect same situation a year ago, as I hate grinding and I hate doing all this mindless stuff in most games, hell, WoW even somehow sucseeded in making PvP kind of mindless (battlegrounds)
But once I was browsing the WoW roleplay forum someone mentioned a game, a game with free-for-all PvP, player driven markets and towns, no grinding ot leveling, no itemgrinding and serious death penality to make playing serious and exiting... and there was it, Trials of Ascension.
I think its too silent, I mean there are so many people that love this kind of game but never know about it because no one talks enough about it, anyway, here it is:
Site: http://www.shadowpool.com
And if you dont like diffacoulty, dont click the link, and oh, did I mention it got the most mature fanbase Ive ever seen in my opinion.
mmm nice nice... the thing is dewd:
Age of Ascension = Estimated release date of 2008/9
Surely it looks promising, but HOW can you throw arguments like this into the room if the game is a closed BETA?
I guess we'll discuss about that game when there are some serious news / open Beta or whatever
Coming from and FPS game background, I find this aspect of Eve quite a relief. The slow pace requires a more thoughtful, patient style of gameplay. From what I have seen, this keeps the game from filling up with foul-mouthed 14 year olds (only a couple members of my corp are under 30 and none of them under 25).
I am also happy to see CCP win the "Best Company" award. Whenever I have had dealings with thier customer support, the responses have been prompt, professional, and, most importantly, resolved the issue on the first try. In my opinion, most American companies would benefit from studying this little Icelandic company's customer service philosophy.
i played most mmogs ...eve online ..best game ...?! wtf is wrong with the peeps on these boards
I've had the same experience with customer support. I don't think any other company can compete with CCPs customer care and very helpful support network.
Protect me from what I want.
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grow the *&*$ up
I just saw these awards and since I have played both WoW and EVE I wanted to post my opinion.
Eve-Online- It is the most diverse and complex MMO I have ever seen. It does start out slow, and yes it has a huge learning curve. You don't jump in the game with normal gear and then go grind the nearest mob for lvls/money. You need to think about what you want to do before you even make your character!
Best way to play Eve is to browse the forums, learn about the game before you start playing, and make the perfect character for you! After that the possibilities of what you can do in the game are endless. I know people who have played for almost 3 years now, have all the money they could ever need, built the best ships/gear even own their own Station, and I asked them whats left...? They told me " Too damn much!"
Eve is NOT FUN SOLO, least for most people. Its one of the few MMO's you actually need people to help enjoy the game, not that you need friends, but you HAVE to interact with other people to get anything you want. In WoW I could solo forever to get my epics....
WOW- I quit eve for about 6 months after my corp was hit with the Largest In-game Theft ever! I still kept my skills training ( Best part about EVE). I loved WOW, I had actually been waiting for it when EVE came around. I played with a couple friends, and took a long time lvling up, due to still playing EVE heavy for awhile. Once I got past 40 I was a WOW guy, I joined a guild, did instances and quickly got to lvl 60 and started the High level Instance grind for gear. This is what killed WoW for me. The PVP is not about player skills its about having your character online 24/7 in the battlegrounds. The Epic gear grind is rediculus, fun the first... oh I dunno 20-50 times per instance, but after you master them it all becomes time, and trying to beat out 4-6 other players in your cast for gear each week.
Conclusion: WoW is fun and addictive and yes very very "pretty" lvls 1-59.
Eve has the best end-game of an MMO out there because its impossible to do everything and more keeps coming!
I will be back in WoW for the Expansion lvls 60-70 here I come!
or prehaps a more suitable question would be wtf is wrong with you?
personaly i would compare WOW to drafts/checkers....easy to learn , easy to play not much depth...fun
eve would be chess = harder to learn, hardern to play a lot more depth, takes a lot of time...but can be a hell of a lot more satisfying and entertaining if you put the effort in to learn the game.
but both games are aimed at different crowds...you cant reallt compare them...and for anyone who is crying that their game didnt win a readers poll...ffs grow up will you..doesnt mean that the game you play will now be cancled...nor will you loose any of your 5 mil subscribers (seesm the only reason wow fans can come up with why they should win is there 5 mil subscribers)
anyhow...for a unkown company like ccp, with their first MMO even to be nominated (never loan win) against known companies like blizzard and SOE with their established mass media brandnames such as WOW, SWG, Everquest is an accomplishment in itself
Thats funny, I play both WoW and EQ II right now, and dropped EVE a long time ago.
I still voted EVE in those categories where it actually is the best game.
Sooooooo.... Yer a little angry kiddie that just need a good spankin
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Well I'm new here but I've been pretty surprised by the posts in this thread. I've been online gaming for around seven years and have played Eve since early Beta. I'm part of a large corporation in Eve thats actually in several other games as well (SW & WoW among them). We kind of go from game to game and often our members play multiple games at once.
Community - Eve-Online is a completely different kind of game. Likewise they have a completely different kind of player. In WoW and EQ2 and especially SW I saw so much "lewt kiddie" talk I felt like I was standing in a hallway at a junior high during class break. It was honestly just disappointing but I quickly realized that was the Eve difference. The players. When I first started Eve I was part of a corporation with members over 35 who were all real life businessmen. We started a corporation based on economic control. In eve the market is player run and very cyclical from region to region. Players can set up a monopoly in an area with enough work. And it is alot of work.
Graphics - Eve graphics are so good because they seem real. Comparing graphics from EQ2 or WoW or SW really is irrelevant. A cartoon is a cartoon. In Eve after awhile you often feel like you're really out in space. When this game came out I was playing Earth and Beyond (cartoon galaxy). Honestly games like WoW and EQ2 feel more like E&B when I compare them to Eve.
Designers - CCP has done an excellent job with customer service and the free upgrades are sensational. When they have a major rollout the servers go down for a day or two and they install it FOR FREE. You don't have to run out, pay another $29.99 or whatever, and take another hit in the wallet. Upgrades at Eve are free. CCP does a decent job answering petitions and I've talked ingame to developers who are flying around checking stuff out. In close to a year of EQ2 and WoW I can honestly say I've NEVER had a dev come up and talk to me out of the blue (much less answer a forum post). As a smaller company CCP probably realizes they need to satisfy the customer first and foremost. I kind of look at WoW and EQ2 as "WalMart" in nature. Really big but often very hard to get answers from as well. I view Eve as more a "Nordstroms" store. Smaller but focused on service and responsive to player input.
Storyline - Here is where Eve really shines. I'm an RP'er and I work off the Eve backstory. Honestly who hasn't closed their eyes and dreamed of flying on a starship somewhere? The point is Eve can "seem" real because its a dream so many have. Now look at EQ2 or WoW and ask yourself if that "life" is a RL dream for you? The fact the graphics in Eve are so good and so realistic versus cartoon based just magnify this distinction. The overall storyline is deep and there have been player "events" that have directed that storyline. Player input matters and they pay attention to it.
Best Game - Well thats subjective. I've never been a big "wand waver". Playing Horizons, EQ2 and WoW in the last year wasn't really alot of fun because it is such a grind after awhile. Eve on the other hand has something different every day. 5000 star systems to play in and 20,000 people online at once on one server means you could run into just about anything. Eve is only a grind if you let it be. Still the category is subjective. If you're into the "lewt kiddie" talk and have a very short attention span you'd probably not like Eve. The instant gratification isn't there. Then again if youre a corporate minded person, enjoy working in groups, enjoy tracking markets and making money, enjoy theft, murder, robbery, all as legitimate ways of making a living, then yes Eve offers a unique play experience. The fact Eve players as a whole are older indicates there is something there thats attractive to those who have "slowed down" a bit (like myself at 40). So sure Eve fans are obsessed about their game. With 100x more players other games should've ruled this category even with a few obsessed fans.
Problems - Oh sure Eve isnt perfect. After a patch its usually a couple of weeks of hotfixes to get everything working well (free big patches not the little ones). They do have a daily downtime which is annoying somewhat but you get used to it. The large influx of players has meant our 5000 system universe with 6,000 people on line at once has become crowded with 20,000 and lag is an issue in some places (but not many). Eve will shortly have one of the 500 fastest supercomputer servers in the world running its game (no other game comes close). There is an issue with macro players but the player community has really rallied against them and deal with them in their own ways. Ebay is a problem but every now and then CCP will come out and post they've banned 100 or so accounts for it so at least they're making an effort. Still the problems aren't that bad and the game is pretty good.
Conclusion - So congratulations to all the winners and to the runner ups. No one lost the competition people who blame "multiple accounts" or whatever for Eve's victory need to look at the overall numbers and at the games themselves. When one game has 100x fewer players and fewer accounts here and still wins maybe its a decent game. Its not for everyone and you don't have to love it. But don't make excuses and slam winner. Be gracious in defeat.
ErikMesa
hey erik, that is a great first post
I started my MMO experience with EVE, about 2 years ago.
I never played anything else before and I wasn't the "player type", so I started with a 14-days trial account. Since I never played OnLine games before, something happened that I wasn't prepared for. I incidently bumped into a real person! (I tried taking cargo from someone else's container) Imagine the shock I went through when that person aproached me directly, threatening to shoot at me if I don't leave that stuff alone. This is how I got into my first Corporation and that's when things started getting really interesting. EVE got me addicted and I sticked to the game for 6 months, playing 24/7.
Then I realized that my real life if going down-the-hill, while I was living in another universe - the EVE universe. So, I bit the rock and left EVE, so I don't end-up begging on the streets for something to eat. After things came back to normal, I started looking for some other MMO, hopefuly some less addictive one.
I found Project Entropia to be interesting for about a month, but even though the game is "free", you need to buy anything you need, while everything worth using is decaying pretty fast. After playing for about two weeks, I spent more on PE than in those 6 months playing EVE-Online. Then I started just running arround and looking at the scenery, playing the annoying rookie. About a week of that and I got sick and tired of PE.
Then I went out looking for anything else I could find interesting enough to try out. Played Anarchy Online for about two weeks, then it got boring. Played Risk Your Life for two weeks, then it got boring.
Then I got myself a GuildWars account. The game has nice graphics and a nice storyline, with a relatively good Tutorial (first part of the game). After completing all the quests in the Tutorial, it led me to the next part of the game, which wasn't so nice-looking anymore. About 2 months later, I ended up at L17 (L20 is max), mostly doing missions. I did most of the missions playing solo with NPC helpers, because it was a real pain waiting for a "human troop" to gather (sometimes took even one hour before everyone was ready). Playing alone here was more fun than the other free games arround (GuildWars has no subscription fee), but after you finish all the missions, there isn't much left to do. I still like to start the game non-and-ten, move arround from place to place, grind-a-little and look for someone to chat, but that's the end of the story.
Looking arround, I didn't see anything else of interest than EVE and WoW. Since I already played EVE once, I paid the subscription and went back in (after about six months of absence), to see if my old Corp is still there. And ... everyone who was there a year ago, still played the game, now being one of the large Corporations in the EVE universe. But, the reason why I left the game was still present (high addiction), so I spent my 4 weeks there, playing with my former colegues, then went back Off-Line.
Looking for a substitute, I started thinking about giving WoW a try, mostly because of all the hype arround it. And since most of my real life friends were playing World of Warcraft, even though I wasn't fond of the idea spending $45 for the first month and then $13 for every next month, I got myself a WoW account and started playing.
Going through quests got me to L10 after a few hours of playing (less than a day). After I went through most quests at lower levels, I started getting quests in which I didn't even know where I have to go to complete them. A number of quests were so poorly described, that I didn't even know what I had to do. What seemed to be a solution to my problem was to buy the Official WoW Players Guide, spending another $30.
Well, not really. I already went past the initial quests and it didn't describe any quests after level 20. Then I went out looking for anything I could find to help me solve the next quests, so I can move on to the higher level. After a while, I was so frustrated that I went out grinding.
The only people I could get some help from were my real-life friends, while the rest of the community was only interested in silly little Duels (one-on-one fights in safe places), which mostly ended in insults (the one who lost spit on the other one).
After about 2 months of playing WoW, I saw 1/2 of the map, played all the races and tryed out all the character types. It was a very nice-looking experience, but it also got really boring.
I canceled my WoW subscription 4 weeks ago, then reinstalled GuildWars and played there about a week. Boring.
I'm now tempted to go back to EVE Online, but I'm affraid that I won't be able to resist the temptation to replace my real life with the EVE universe again. I know that, when I start playing EVE, I will again be sitting there night-and-day, my wife will start packing her bags and ... eventually, I will die of hunger, sitting in my ship in the EVE universe.
Having said all of that, from my point of view, there isn't a single game that really stands a chance against EVE Online. The addiction level for adult players fascinated by Science Fiction is just too high in EVE to resist. If you are a Star Trek fan like me and are looking for a REALLY GOOD GAME which will keep you fastened at your seatbelt for a long long time, look no further: play EVE Online!
This just says it all tbh........
The game now boasts over 5-million world wide subscribers and is primarily driven by player vs. environment-based content.
WOW WINS BEST PVE <------- lollerskates
That is interpreted as GRIND GRIND GRIND
Now, I dont need to spell out to you what MMORPG means do i?
If you want to go kill some stupid ass AI mob for the easy life then WOW is for you
IF however, you want to go fight some REAL PLAYERS with REAL BRAINS for a challenge and not some stupid ai , then EVE my friends , is for YOU.
and you dont even have to be at that uber lvl60 to win the fight either, EVE is about BRAINS, and using them, a noob could pwnzor a 2 year old vet if the noob uses his brians for the situation.
There is a reason why EVE WON BEST PVP , and combined with over 20k (and rising) players on the same server in the same world, EVE truly is a MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME
Hm...
I've been playing games for 8 or so years now (since the Counter-Strike boom). I've played pretty much all major (and a few non-major) MMO's. From PlanetSide, to DarkSpace, to UO, to GW. I've been around basicly.
I've played EVE before, and because I was young (15 or so), I didn't have a big attention span, and I left because quite frankly, the game is HUGE and it was beyond my understanding. Earlier last year I started to play WoW, and I had fun. I got a fair few level 60 characters, got into a guild, raided tons, PVP tons... I left after 6 months, because it was no longer fun. I had seen all there was to see. I had my epic set, I'd faught rogues, preists... It got repetitve real quick.
That sparked my interest into EVE again. Just to see how it was doing. It sucked me in big time the second time I played it. EVE is litraly too big to completly understand. You need to sit back and take a really long think about just how complex and huge this game is. You can do ANYTHING you want too. Create multi-million isk scams, that CCP won't interfeer with, simply because CCP provided the sand pit, and gave you the spade and bucket. You decide what you want to do. Pirate, NPC hunt, PVP, Scam, Build and Research, Explore, Mine, Haul... It's up to you.
It's not just all AFK mining or AFK jumping either. Yes the game world is big, but that doesn't mean you can go AFK. If you enter a low sec system, you better make damn sure you keep your eyes out and scan the system before jumping in, all guns blazing. There's no police in 0.4 and below, meaning anyone can shoot anyone. And it's not just a simple case of "Don't go into the low secs you nubinz!", to really get to the heart of the game, that's where the action is at. Alliance v Alliance, NPC's that can do just as much as you can, and are smart (not your average dumb NPC's that use basic attacks). They can scramble, jam, nos you... I'll admit, once you've spent time training certain skills, you can tank almost all normal NPC spawns, but some will catch you off guard (like faction spawns).
I'm no EVE fanboy, so please, don't come crying to me with your insults and "OMGZOR, FANBOI ALERTZ YO!". I love DarkSpace more than any other game (just wish it had the advertisment and budget to get off its feet), and if anything, I detest EVE because it's DarkSpace's only real enemy (no other space MMO's out there worth looking at appart from DS and EVE). Whilst DS isn't going to win any awards any time soon, EVE has, and it's a seriously good game. So is WoW, don't get me wrong, but for sheer longitivity, EVE has WoW by the balls. You don't get to level 60 in weeks, you do it in YEARS.
Now for graphics, half of you noobs who can't even begin to understand how EVE works. EVE has a complex graphics system that maps several detailed skins over a model. This allows the game to work at relitivly smooth levels in any scenario. I don't care how pretty EQ2 is... I have a monster machine, and it still runs like a dogs ass in some places. Quite simply, EVE has a far superior way of handling graphics. Making it look pretty, whilst keeping the action moving. And I have no idea how you can stand around in some systems without crying, it's litraly that beautiful. EQ2 is barely a year old, whereas EVE is 4 years old. The graphics engine has hardly changed, and it still looks better than 95% of the games out there.
Just try to realise what EVE is, and don't bash it simply because of "fanboys". The players love the game so much, they come here and vote for it, because they think it's that great. There's a reason they play that game, and it's because they love it. Why don't WoW players come and vote (and it's not because they're all too busy playing the game)? Other people here have quoted 5x more posts here than the EVE community, so doesn't that just put all your small made up "fanboi" rants to pot?
WoW is a good game, but simply put. It does not compare to EVE in the above mentioned catagories it won. In graphics, EVE has WoW by the balls, and other MMO's too. In PVP, it's simply the best PVP game out there. I PVP'd in WoW, and other games, and it simply comes head and shoulders above the rest (except maybe DarkSpace). Best company, easily CCP, they do so much for the community and just generaly screw around sometimes just to get some laughs. I don't see any BLZD employees yelling "BOOBIES!".
EVE is an insanly huge game that's changing all the time. You can't play this game and call it crap, it will do you no credit. It's like me saying WoW is crap, when clearly it isn't. But you all have to realise that EVE is simply better in these catagorys than the other games.
If there are more fanboys here from EVE, why are there more posts in the WoW forum?
- Backy.
Cause I loathe alliances and refuse to be part of one. Plus I wasn't too much of a forum whore as is your corp.
If you chilled in the Citadel for one week when I was on you'd hear people bitchin' about me.
And honestly......how many people can go on a rampage in Niyabainen without Concord intervention and not get banned by the senior GM's?
Eh.....me.
Unfortunately I quit cause my friends all moved to other games.
[quote]Originally posted by kingdoc
Your 720mm intelligence Howitzer I places an excellent hit on WoW fan boy, inflicting 1310.5 damage.
I assume you call me WoW fanboi? I dont play WoW btw. Just becuase I give WoW a higher score doesnt mean im a fanboi.
I stated my reasons on why I think that, and that guy disagreed. Are we both fanbois or just have a difference of an opinion?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Instant gratification is NOT a mark of a good MMORPG ... you sir, need professional help.
To even type the above shows a lack of understand of the foundations of MMORPGs on a massive scale. Your ignorance should be used as a printed example of a fanboi gone horribly insane.
MMORPGs are NOT about "fitting a general profile" or how long it takes to get to "the juicy part" (i.e. looking for that flash of instant gratification in your first 2 days of playing) but about team work, player interaction, game depth, and freedom to explore ... to make more of the game and do more in the game (without stooping to exploits) than the game designers can foresee ... to do more than camp a spawn or grind materials for crafting, instead to make it a reason to control an area and make it your home ... to do more than just zerg or war on others, instead to use such methods as well as guerrilla warfare and covert ops to help defend your chosen home ... to have PvP with meaning, with pain, with purpose and to protect those that wish to not partake, supporting both styles in a dynamic universe ... to make PvP mean more than the biggest sword / gun / ship / fist, instead to make it a part of everything in the game. And finally to do all of this in one, non sharded, gaming world which in turn makes a stronger game community because we have no technological limits or need to make an character on 'xyz' server to do any of the above with others we meet in the community outside of the gaming world.
EVE does it, it breaks the mold that the mega game producers want to use to make cookie cutter games like WoW and EQ ... and the players out there know it and that is why it won.
Peace.
Before you tell someone to seek out professional help, think about what you are saying. You are saying "I dont care care what 5 million people think, I think Eve is the best so THEY are wrong".. This is ignorance talking. For the most part, Eve reaches its maximum reward at the latter stage, when you have established yourself in the universe, you have credits, good corp, lots of money, raised your skills to pilot best of the best ship, and you have blueprints for that super duper ship that no other corp has. This is all fine but it takes literaly months of real time gameplay, and i mean 5-10 hours per day gameplay to reach that spot. In between, you grind, you try to make your living, you cant realy PvP since you can loose your ship and everything you worked for the last month if you get ganked by 2 15 year olds with bad attitude.
Now just becuase you like Eve, dont assume its the best game. Its the best game for YOU maybe, but not so many others. If it were best game for most people, Eve would have 5 million active subscribers.
And yes, I think whatever game has most active subscribers (not counting free games) is better game. I have a trust in human beings, I think people wouldnt pay to play a game they do not enjoy. Even is fun game, but you need to invest a LOT of real life time to get to the realy fun part. You have to get through a lot of grinding, traveling, raising skills which you cannot speed up, if it says you need 1 month to raise your specific skill, it will take 1 real life month. Im sorry I offended your fanboism, but you need to cool off before posting such posts. And before you brand me with fanboism, I dont play any MMORPG atm - even though WoW is best in a sense "get in - start having fun right away", even that game takes too much time for a working man with tight schedule. if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me.
about your comment:
if i were to start playing Eve, id have to drop my work, stop having personal life, just like what EQ1 did to me...
with 1 look at your signature and the 106 hrs a week alone for civ - i have a good laugh at you. Thats 15 hrs every day dewd.... i play Eve and i dont even can / want reach 50% of your playtime...
To be honest - how shortminded must a person be to write crap like this and having a signature under his post that exactly reveals him as a bag of warm air?
You're just another clown, and if i'd invest so many time like you in a virtual world with my age of almost 30 now... I'd even think that i might be a so called 'Real Life Looser' - get it?
So who you're bullshitting and whats the reason?
Hehe ... I run Civ on my computer nonstop, thats where all my hours come from. I dont bother to shut it down since it doesnt disrupt my system, i just ALT+TAB to desktop if i need anything. I usualy play around 2-3 hours a day, but very irregularely.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
FYI,
I voted ccp as favorite company. Because well ... It's the only company who do something serious about macroers. The only company who really care about the customer support. When you loose your ship because of a bug, or because someone hacked your account. You WILL get a replacement, and get your isk back. (and in case of hack the badass will get banned for sure).
Best pvp, well I voted guildwars first. But I voted eve because of the pvp system. First pvp matters, 2nd pvp is not noloss. 3rd new player are REALY usefull. I made a full thread about it on voting topic.
But I didn't voted eve for the graphics. Because I find it's too fanboyish. Beautifull for sure but I think that EQII is quite photorealistic and wow got a better work for his style.
So I'm not totaly utter fanboy. And I think other player made like me. vote only for the game who really desserve it.
double post sorry
Btw the skill in eve are learned offline, so no need to play long for something else than money.