Originally posted by pb1285n I am not pleased with Turbine for changing Middle Earth Online to Lord of thing Rings Online. What could have been a massive world full of potential has turned into every geeks fantasy of living out the books. This is rediculous. If you think the only evil in the world is Sauron then you're seriously living in a fairytale. I can understand not allowing us to play as certain races but to say that to be a human or an elf or a dwarf is to be innately good is a laughable proposition. Want to know the real reason there is no pvp? Turbine is trying to create a game that appeals to a wide audience and they are succeeding at that, but in the process destroying what I consider to be the most important characteristic of any good MMORPG - The ability to choose. It is ironic, instead of progressing they are regressing in this area. Ever since MMORPGs hit the mainstream, games seems to add more and more restrictions as to what a player can and can't do. I am not big on pvp. I just think a player should have the choice to decide what type of character he or she will play. Though I'm not afraid to admit with the sheer lack of conscious that comes with being on the internet this is an unrealistic vision. Oh well...
turbine has made there decision for no pvp.
Because they are too incompetent and to lazy to incorporate it into the game. Same as with DDO.
LOL!!! No that is not the case, Just because they decided to go against the gener of gaming and not have pvp in there DDO and LOTRO does not meen they are incompetent or lazy. Or maybe it is just in your eyes and other pvpers that they are cause they aren't making the game the way you want. I like how you deleted all of my post in reply to pb1295n's post except what you wanted to use of it. I gave in my reply the reason's that they had for doing what they did as they gave it to us on the official forums. It is funny how so many assume things without the facts to back them up. Just because a game company don't make their games the way people want they assume the worst of them and their games. Just because you come here and type in big bold letters you assumption does not make it true and is pathetic that you do so in trying to affect others view on a game. Alot of people read forums and to get info on games and believe alot of what people have to post about them. This game isn't even in beta yet and sooo many people say it suxs for one simple reason, No pvp. How in the world do they know that? Have they played the game? Who knows the final product of this game just might sux, We will not know until the game is released. I have played alot of games with pvp and alot of them sux because so much of the game content goes into pvp and very little into actual game content. The result is you end up with cookie cutter caracters. Small variety of mobs. Alot of them just renamed and made tougher. Static quests.
I can understand where the PvP fans are coming from, but I don't think they quite understand how Lord of the Rings Online is being runned. Many of these gamers who enjoy PvP(and many MMORPG players in general) don't really know where Turbine Studios is coming from. Most developers who create a game within this specific genre disregard storytelling. They may include a simple background story, but most of the time this aspect of the game does not go beyond that. Because of this, gamers have adjusted to this style of play.
Just like Asheron's Call; LOTR Online will be primarily surrounded by a progressive storyline. In this case we already know the outcome of Lord of the Rings; good triumphs over evil. Turbine wants you to experience the fellowship within this world through an era of war.
For me, I was personally disappointed that this game does not have PvP combat. But I clearly understand why it's one sided. Since we already know that Lord of the Rings Online is going to slowly tell the story of the books(through quest and live events) then we all should already know what's going to happened in the end. Turbine isn't just going to have a static background for this game; just like Asheron's Call they will further the story arc - which in the end results in Sauron's forces loosing and their death. This isn't like WWII Online where Germany can come out winning in the end in a "what if" situation. Turbine has already decided that they'll follow the writing of JRR Toklien. Not to mention they're trying to remain true to the Hobbit and a LOTR lore within the books.
I know the lore of Arda is much more expansive and expresses how some of the "assumed good" races fought amongst each other(LOTR as well while indulging into the past). But Turbine is telling the story of the second war for the Ring where the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth united to fight evil; and a evil that eventually looses. I could understand having players choose which side they were on if the conflict was static, but this storyline isn't going to be the samething after a year.
Not to mention, Turbine Studios has always been about trying to have the players become more then just casual grinding fools(or they like to call them "Ruthless Power Gamers"). On the Official LOTR Online website there is a article that's discussing the "RP vs G" in MMORPGS today; and how this game will emphasis on roleplaying/storytelling. In a sense, it describes two types of people on this board. Primarily the PvP combatants which are associated with "Ruthless Power Gamers"(sadly) and a more imaginative community, "Role Playing Gamers". I think LOTR Online will attract an exclusive audience of traditional RPers and MMORPG players. But because of games like Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars: Galaxies, and World of Warcraft(especially WoW) the genre has appealed to casual and console gamers. These type of gamers are highly competitive with each other. Of course Turbine is taking a risk of excluding PvP since the MMORPG market is much broader now. But because they have a know franchise, it's beyond a hit or miss situation. I would like to see dueling in it without any death penalty though. But regardless if your read the books or not; you should know that this game doesn't require PvP and that storytelling is all it needs(Turbine is the only company within this genre that does it right).
Originally posted by pb1285n They are trying to appeal to the masses, and it is widely believed the average gamers dislike a pvp-oriented game.
I am very interested to know where you came up with that fact? I think you will find that the most successful MMORPG was actually originally marketed as a pvp game and GW was also very successful and that was based on pvp.
Also, ask Mythic why DAoC is still roaring with life? Im pretty certain it isn't because of pve and the same goes with Eve Online.
Also what game is the most hyped at the moment? RFO, is that a pve game? I feel your statement is incorrect and that pvp games appeal to the masses while the average mmorpg fan dislikes pvp orientated games. I say average mmorpg fan but even now, a good majority of them prefer the pvp games.
Fact is, Turbine will lose a lot of money from not making this a pvp orientated game and really, this had the potential to be a WoW killer but with it being pve only, i sincerly doubt that now. Also, i believe DDO got away with not having pvp because its the Dungeons and Dragons universe, having pvp would kind of conflict with the whole point of D&D.
I prefer a PvE game where everyone works together to kill NPCs. I find that to be alot of fun. PvP is fun occasionally, but it's only fun when you are winning. The "I pwnd u noob" mentality is something I can live without.
I'm not going to read all 14 pages but i will post my thoughts.
First off i'm for no pvp. PvP is not all that great it is normaly kill bob 500 times. As most servers have there top 50 PvPers that kill each other over and over and everyone else just gets stuck in the middle of there killing each other day by day. Next there is no reason to have hte bad guys in the game as they have no will. If u have no will what is the point of playing? U wont do quests u wont do anything but hunt down other players and kill them and in a game that can be pointless really with out anything around it to support the system. Atleast with the good side ur going to get a rich story. If u want to play the rich world of lord of the rings that was made this is going to be a great game. If ur looking to be a ganker or pvp killer this game is not for u and it is time to move on to the next game. Go play WOW with the other 5 million players if u want PVP.
In a pvp based game this is what you basically end up with. The hard core lvling players max out there lvl fast and are left with nothing else to do. So they run around the map and kill other players, wich usually are lower lvls than them and easy targets. I am not saying all pvp people do this but it has been my experience when trying to lvl up in these type of games that is what happens. So they slow down the lvling of these lower lvl players making sure they will be the high lvl players longer.
I have also heard more griping about lack of content from pvp players than anyone. They want to pvp but they want the content also. Well you can't have both. To have alot of content that is rich and rull you have to get the resources from somewere and if the resources are spent on a pvp system that is always being tweeked in trying to balance caracters your content will be hurt.
I basically look at it this way. I want two games to play. A pve game for roleplaying and a pvp game for pvp. This way when i feel like i only want to roleplay i will play the pve game and for when i want pvp i will play the pvp game. No game can give you the best of both worlds. LOTRO is a game for roleplaying and adventuring in middle earth. This will be my pve game. I have not picked a pvp game yet, though at one time i was thinking of Darkfall.
Yes as many have stated, the books have so much more content, even stretching back to the awesome legacy of work that Tolkien left us, The SILMARRILLION, which at times was hard to follow given the massive amount of names, was, and still is a wonderful and in depth look at the pre third age middle earth. As for the movies, yes they glorifed BATTLE BATTLE and the struggle for peace for all *free* races, it was mentioned in the movies, the orcs are slaves to Sauron's will, as has also been mentioned several times in the posts previously. Perhaps the Easterlings or wild men of Orthanc will be playable races for a future evil class. They responded to Sauron's and Saruman's call to war, but i do believe it was out of fear. The wild men will be rather useless honestly but the Easterlings were quite an interesting group. Pvp i do believe can be fun, but if its really been decided its not necessary in LOTRO i can live with that. I pvped slightly and found it fun at times, but for the most part uselessly repetetive, much like grinding characters. We will have to wait and see how this pans out for the first few months, but i will definetly try this game. I have been fond of the Tolkien world since i read the books long ago. Long live Tolkien's great work of Fiction, the LORD OF THE RINGS.......
Man, the thing that bugs me is that no one appreciates the history behind the Lord of the Rings. J.R.R. Tolkein is rolling around in his grave because of you PvP whores.
If you took the time to read the books, you'd learn to appreciate everything that the man has done to keep his dream alive. Yes, the movies were great, but the books is where the true story lies.
I wouldn't play the Lord of the Rings Online if it was turned into a PvP-Centered grindfest. That would make me have to lose faith in the series. No one appreciates the story and roleplaying element behind it.
Personally, I'm glad so many people won't play it, because I don't want a bunch of idiots screaming "NE 1 GIMME SUM GOLD!!1!!" in Mirkwood.
Edit: Most people I see that would ditch a game because there isn't PvP, or that think a game without PvP sucks, seems to be very immature. (e.g. Most of the people I've seen in this thread that think LOTR Online will suck because there's no PvP)
Originally posted by Neymoze This game will totall suck, because you can only play the good side (no orc, uruk-hai, goblin,troll etc) A mmorpg without a nice pvp and only a good side just sux....
This makes no sense, I have never ran into a nice pvp system, there is always the complaints about inbalance in caracters and a long list of bugs as a result of trying to balance the caracters because of pvp. Fortunately this game will not have that problem cause there will be no need to balance caracters for pvp. We won't have to listen to ' My lvl 50+ warrior was onshot by a lvl 30+ archer, archers sux they are to overpowered' or 'Mages are to overpowered they have to strong of magic'. No usual whining from the 1337 about how there player isn't the strongest. So tell me how with all the usual whining about inbalance of caracters in a pvp game it can be considered a nice pvp system.
Pvp takes up soo much resources and there is the never ending tweeking of caracters looking for that perfect balance that doesn't exist cause there is always someone who will be unhappy cause his/her caracter was nerfed. Way to much of a headache if you ask me and i know you probably don't care what i think but i don't care and i con't care what you think. So live with no PVP in this game and seek your pvp elsewhere.
I agree with Grindalyx! The Devs won't have to focus on this aspect and all the whining that goes with PvP. We can all see the result of whining in other games.....
there is always the complaints about inbalance in caracters and a long list of bugs as a result of trying to balance the caracters because of pvp. Fortunately this game will not have that problem cause there will be no need to balance caracters for pvp.
The whiners, gimpers and nerf-herders that demanded PvP in City of Heroes have driven the devs to the point of "balancing" all the fun out of that nerf-infested piece of trash. It was a great game when it was only PvE. Now it's nothing more than a gank-fest.
PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it.
The whiners, gimpers and nerf-herders that demanded PvP in City of Heroes have driven the devs to the point of "balancing" all the fun out of that nerf-infested piece of trash. It was a great game when it was only PvE. Now it's nothing more than a gank-fest.
PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it.
Bah. Utterly boring and ultimately pointless.
If LOTR has no PvP, count me in.
Sounds to me like you got owned in a game and you still feel bad about it. And when you say pvp is "Utterly boring and ultimately pointless", well that just proves that you dont know shit about MMO's. You should just stfu and go play more single player games. kthxbaibai
Sounds to me like you got owned in a game and you still feel bad about it. And when you say pvp is "Utterly boring and ultimately pointless", well that just proves that you dont know shit about MMO's. You should just stfu and go play more single player games. kthxbaibai
First of all, I don't PvP, so you're the one who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Secondly, CoH is an example of what was an excellent MMO that never had PvP when it was released and only when they "kludged" it in later did all the problems with "balance issues" begin.
Finally, you "sound" exactly like the kind of pre-pubescent male that wants to turn everything into a "pecker contest."
Hmmm...Are you compensating for a lack of something, perhaps???
"PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it."
"I don't PvP, so you're the one who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about."
Rest your case??? You were alleging I was someone who PvP'd, got beat and got pissed! Since I don't PvP, you illiterate maroon, you have no clue as to why I hate PvP, hence you couldn't possibly have any idea about that which you speak - as far as I'm concerned - yet you're obviously not beyond spouting your ignorant tripe anyway.
No doubt, you're the kind of 10 year old that likes PvP. You sure act like it.
never said you pvped, i said you propably got owned (while you were grinding your ass off) and youre still sulky about it. You said yourself that you dont pvp, that you hate it but still claim to know that all pvpers are immature assholes with no life and that im clearly one of them. The truth is, you dont know shit about me or pvp and therefore you should just shut the hell up, ok?
you dont know shit about me or pvp and therefore you should just shut the hell up, ok?
I know the type, and you seem you fit the mold. Probably got a name like, "I'm Teh Uber L33t" or "I Pwn U sToOPiD Noob" especially given your penchant for using foul language in your posts. Yeah, you come across as being REAL mature. Your posts say a lot more about you than I ever could.
Actually the more you write, the clearer it gets that youre the teenager here. You make stupid assumptions based on absolutely nothing, you admit you know nothing about pvp yet claiming to know all about people that pvp. Then if someone doesnt agree, you start calling him a teenager. I think the truth is youre a HUGE 14yr old nerd that has no life outside your nightelf clan and to fill up the void you want pure pve game so you can grind 24/7.
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turbine has made there decision for no pvp.
Because they are too incompetent and to lazy to incorporate it into the game. Same as with DDO.
LOL!!! No that is not the case, Just because they decided to go against the gener of gaming and not have pvp in there DDO and LOTRO does not meen they are incompetent or lazy. Or maybe it is just in your eyes and other pvpers that they are cause they aren't making the game the way you want. I like how you deleted all of my post in reply to pb1295n's post except what you wanted to use of it. I gave in my reply the reason's that they had for doing what they did as they gave it to us on the official forums. It is funny how so many assume things without the facts to back them up. Just because a game company don't make their games the way people want they assume the worst of them and their games. Just because you come here and type in big bold letters you assumption does not make it true and is pathetic that you do so in trying to affect others view on a game. Alot of people read forums and to get info on games and believe alot of what people have to post about them. This game isn't even in beta yet and sooo many people say it suxs for one simple reason, No pvp. How in the world do they know that? Have they played the game? Who knows the final product of this game just might sux, We will not know until the game is released. I have played alot of games with pvp and alot of them sux because so much of the game content goes into pvp and very little into actual game content. The result is you end up with cookie cutter caracters. Small variety of mobs. Alot of them just renamed and made tougher. Static quests.
I can understand where the PvP fans are coming from, but I don't think they quite understand how Lord of the Rings Online is being runned. Many of these gamers who enjoy PvP(and many MMORPG players in general) don't really know where Turbine Studios is coming from. Most developers who create a game within this specific genre disregard storytelling. They may include a simple background story, but most of the time this aspect of the game does not go beyond that. Because of this, gamers have adjusted to this style of play.
Just like Asheron's Call; LOTR Online will be primarily surrounded by a progressive storyline. In this case we already know the outcome of Lord of the Rings; good triumphs over evil. Turbine wants you to experience the fellowship within this world through an era of war.
For me, I was personally disappointed that this game does not have PvP combat. But I clearly understand why it's one sided. Since we already know that Lord of the Rings Online is going to slowly tell the story of the books(through quest and live events) then we all should already know what's going to happened in the end. Turbine isn't just going to have a static background for this game; just like Asheron's Call they will further the story arc - which in the end results in Sauron's forces loosing and their death. This isn't like WWII Online where Germany can come out winning in the end in a "what if" situation. Turbine has already decided that they'll follow the writing of JRR Toklien. Not to mention they're trying to remain true to the Hobbit and a LOTR lore within the books.
I know the lore of Arda is much more expansive and expresses how some of the "assumed good" races fought amongst each other(LOTR as well while indulging into the past). But Turbine is telling the story of the second war for the Ring where the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth united to fight evil; and a evil that eventually looses. I could understand having players choose which side they were on if the conflict was static, but this storyline isn't going to be the samething after a year.
Not to mention, Turbine Studios has always been about trying to have the players become more then just casual grinding fools(or they like to call them "Ruthless Power Gamers"). On the Official LOTR Online website there is a article that's discussing the "RP vs G" in MMORPGS today; and how this game will emphasis on roleplaying/storytelling. In a sense, it describes two types of people on this board. Primarily the PvP combatants which are associated with "Ruthless Power Gamers"(sadly) and a more imaginative community, "Role Playing Gamers". I think LOTR Online will attract an exclusive audience of traditional RPers and MMORPG players. But because of games like Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars: Galaxies, and World of Warcraft(especially WoW) the genre has appealed to casual and console gamers. These type of gamers are highly competitive with each other. Of course Turbine is taking a risk of excluding PvP since the MMORPG market is much broader now. But because they have a know franchise, it's beyond a hit or miss situation. I would like to see dueling in it without any death penalty though. But regardless if your read the books or not; you should know that this game doesn't require PvP and that storytelling is all it needs(Turbine is the only company within this genre that does it right).
New mmorpgs need to be either pve based or pvp based not both.. end of story
I am a long time pvp fan but I do not want to see the same stale pvp in recent games taint such a fine world as mid-earth. PVE FTW
I am very interested to know where you came up with that fact? I think you will find that the most successful MMORPG was actually originally marketed as a pvp game and GW was also very successful and that was based on pvp.
Also, ask Mythic why DAoC is still roaring with life? Im pretty certain it isn't because of pve and the same goes with Eve Online.
Also what game is the most hyped at the moment? RFO, is that a pve game? I feel your statement is incorrect and that pvp games appeal to the masses while the average mmorpg fan dislikes pvp orientated games. I say average mmorpg fan but even now, a good majority of them prefer the pvp games.
Fact is, Turbine will lose a lot of money from not making this a pvp orientated game and really, this had the potential to be a WoW killer but with it being pve only, i sincerly doubt that now. Also, i believe DDO got away with not having pvp because its the Dungeons and Dragons universe, having pvp would kind of conflict with the whole point of D&D.
I prefer a PvE game where everyone works together to kill NPCs. I find that to be alot of fun. PvP is fun occasionally, but it's only fun when you are winning. The "I pwnd u noob" mentality is something I can live without.
I'm not going to read all 14 pages but i will post my thoughts.
First off i'm for no pvp. PvP is not all that great it is normaly kill bob 500 times. As most servers have there top 50 PvPers that kill each other over and over and everyone else just gets stuck in the middle of there killing each other day by day. Next there is no reason to have hte bad guys in the game as they have no will. If u have no will what is the point of playing? U wont do quests u wont do anything but hunt down other players and kill them and in a game that can be pointless really with out anything around it to support the system. Atleast with the good side ur going to get a rich story. If u want to play the rich world of lord of the rings that was made this is going to be a great game. If ur looking to be a ganker or pvp killer this game is not for u and it is time to move on to the next game. Go play WOW with the other 5 million players if u want PVP.
In a pvp based game this is what you basically end up with. The hard core lvling players max out there lvl fast and are left with nothing else to do. So they run around the map and kill other players, wich usually are lower lvls than them and easy targets. I am not saying all pvp people do this but it has been my experience when trying to lvl up in these type of games that is what happens. So they slow down the lvling of these lower lvl players making sure they will be the high lvl players longer.
I have also heard more griping about lack of content from pvp players than anyone. They want to pvp but they want the content also. Well you can't have both. To have alot of content that is rich and rull you have to get the resources from somewere and if the resources are spent on a pvp system that is always being tweeked in trying to balance caracters your content will be hurt.
I basically look at it this way. I want two games to play. A pve game for roleplaying and a pvp game for pvp. This way when i feel like i only want to roleplay i will play the pve game and for when i want pvp i will play the pvp game. No game can give you the best of both worlds. LOTRO is a game for roleplaying and adventuring in middle earth. This will be my pve game. I have not picked a pvp game yet, though at one time i was thinking of Darkfall.
Man, the thing that bugs me is that no one appreciates the history behind the Lord of the Rings. J.R.R. Tolkein is rolling around in his grave because of you PvP whores.
If you took the time to read the books, you'd learn to appreciate everything that the man has done to keep his dream alive. Yes, the movies were great, but the books is where the true story lies.
I wouldn't play the Lord of the Rings Online if it was turned into a PvP-Centered grindfest. That would make me have to lose faith in the series. No one appreciates the story and roleplaying element behind it.
Personally, I'm glad so many people won't play it, because I don't want a bunch of idiots screaming "NE 1 GIMME SUM GOLD!!1!!" in Mirkwood.
Edit: Most people I see that would ditch a game because there isn't PvP, or that think a game without PvP sucks, seems to be very immature. (e.g. Most of the people I've seen in this thread that think LOTR Online will suck because there's no PvP)
This makes no sense, I have never ran into a nice pvp system, there is always the complaints about inbalance in caracters and a long list of bugs as a result of trying to balance the caracters because of pvp. Fortunately this game will not have that problem cause there will be no need to balance caracters for pvp. We won't have to listen to ' My lvl 50+ warrior was onshot by a lvl 30+ archer, archers sux they are to overpowered' or 'Mages are to overpowered they have to strong of magic'. No usual whining from the 1337 about how there player isn't the strongest. So tell me how with all the usual whining about inbalance of caracters in a pvp game it can be considered a nice pvp system.
Pvp takes up soo much resources and there is the never ending tweeking of caracters looking for that perfect balance that doesn't exist cause there is always someone who will be unhappy cause his/her caracter was nerfed. Way to much of a headache if you ask me and i know you probably don't care what i think but i don't care and i con't care what you think. So live with no PVP in this game and seek your pvp elsewhere.
I agree with Grindalyx! The Devs won't have to focus on this aspect and all the whining that goes with PvP. We can all see the result of whining in other games.....
The whiners, gimpers and nerf-herders that demanded PvP in City of Heroes have driven the devs to the point of "balancing" all the fun out of that nerf-infested piece of trash. It was a great game when it was only PvE. Now it's nothing more than a gank-fest.
PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it.
Bah. Utterly boring and ultimately pointless.
If LOTR has no PvP, count me in.
The whiners, gimpers and nerf-herders that demanded PvP in City of Heroes have driven the devs to the point of "balancing" all the fun out of that nerf-infested piece of trash. It was a great game when it was only PvE. Now it's nothing more than a gank-fest.
PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it.
Bah. Utterly boring and ultimately pointless.
If LOTR has no PvP, count me in.
Sounds to me like you got owned in a game and you still feel bad about it. And when you say pvp is "Utterly boring and ultimately pointless", well that just proves that you dont know shit about MMO's. You should just stfu and go play more single player games. kthxbaibai
First of all, I don't PvP, so you're the one who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Secondly, CoH is an example of what was an excellent MMO that never had PvP when it was released and only when they "kludged" it in later did all the problems with "balance issues" begin.
Finally, you "sound" exactly like the kind of pre-pubescent male that wants to turn everything into a "pecker contest."
Hmmm...Are you compensating for a lack of something, perhaps???
Serling wrote:
"PvP is nothing more than a bunch of pre-pubescent teenage males proclaiming that their "privates" are bigger than everyone else's and then using a virtual world to drop their virtual pants to prove it."
"I don't PvP, so you're the one who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about."
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I rest my case.
Rest your case??? You were alleging I was someone who PvP'd, got beat and got pissed! Since I don't PvP, you illiterate maroon, you have no clue as to why I hate PvP, hence you couldn't possibly have any idea about that which you speak - as far as I'm concerned - yet you're obviously not beyond spouting your ignorant tripe anyway.
No doubt, you're the kind of 10 year old that likes PvP. You sure act like it.
Go to your room. I dismiss you, child.
never said you pvped, i said you propably got owned (while you were grinding your ass off) and youre still sulky about it. You said yourself that you dont pvp, that you hate it but still claim to know that all pvpers are immature assholes with no life and that im clearly one of them. The truth is, you dont know shit about me or pvp and therefore you should just shut the hell up, ok?
I know the type, and you seem you fit the mold. Probably got a name like, "I'm Teh Uber L33t" or "I Pwn U sToOPiD Noob" especially given your penchant for using foul language in your posts. Yeah, you come across as being REAL mature. Your posts say a lot more about you than I ever could.
Enjoy your PvP, son.
Actually the more you write, the clearer it gets that youre the teenager here. You make stupid assumptions based on absolutely nothing, you admit you know nothing about pvp yet claiming to know all about people that pvp. Then if someone doesnt agree, you start calling him a teenager.
I think the truth is youre a HUGE 14yr old nerd that has no life outside your nightelf clan and to fill up the void you want pure pve game so you can grind 24/7.
Enjoy your grind, kid.
LOL! This coming from someone who can't spell "were."
i hate instancing... i hate no pvp... i hate itemcamping and grinding (for nothing except items)... thats why i will not play this game
i loved the books, i think films was ok... but this games sucks in my opinion because of no pvp etcpp
!hasta la victoria siempre!