Originally posted by Arthasm Is it that hard to make hotfix?
I have seen auto-relog scripts being used in here.
Even if you are booted as being AFK, you spawn right back and again continue.
The game has too much on the client-side and thus most malicious practices works.
It can be manipulated as easily as an old PC ... CD / install game.
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A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent their autokick for AFK feature.
This threat seems ludicrous to me. They specifically coded these features to KEEP people in game and then will ban players for using those features. It's not as though someone found a bizarre and unintended exploit. These items are MADE to keep people from getting AFK kicked...
The problem is that the game was designed for Korea and the goal was to KEEP PLAYERS in game. The same way the labor rewards you with a higher regen for being in game. Threatening bans seems beyond ridiculous for sitting on a bench or sleeping in a bed. Simply login at any time and you will be flooded with GoldSeller spam... maybe they could ban those guys, or the bots, or the guys with teleport hacks, or the guys that used 3rd party programs to buy all the land...
/discuss
They didn't create these features for you to afk as much as you want.
So much derp going on in this person's thought process.
While this does just seem to be another "OMFG XL/TRION SO ABSOLUTELY SUCKS LAWLERSKATES" post on the surface, I actually think the OP makes an excellent point.
XL designed a labor system that encourages players to be online more then they would otherwise want to be. Then they also added the game mechanics such as chairs, beds, and combat dummies that negate their very own AFK exploit fighting system. While I personally have no love for exploiters, this is XL's mess to fix. And they should be held responsible by their player base until a proper fix is added to the game.
none of this matters, they were created for RP or for buffs related to crafting not to be used to circumvent the AFK system that WAS put in place to stop people from AFK labor gaining, Labor gains online are a benefit for those players who PLAY the game, not log out on a bench.
Its the same exact reason you will get banned for fighting mobs on a piece of land that the mob can't reach you from.
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if there is a bug that is causing sitting or sleeping to bypass AFK forced log out, then why dont they disable the /sit /sleep animation/command until the bug is fixed? They dont disable it but then they ban people who want to sit or sleep.... lol. Sure /sleep and /sit have no purpose in mmos because they dont give you any bonus or benefit, but then why do they add them to the game? This makes no sense.
Originally posted by rojoArcueid if there is a bug that is causing sitting or sleeping to bypass AFK forced log out, then why dont they disable the /sit /sleep animation/command until the bug is fixed? They dont disable it but then they ban people who want to sit or sleep.... lol. Sure /sleep and /sit have no purpose in mmos because they dont give you any bonus or benefit, but then why do they add them to the game? This makes no sense.
It's not a bug. These benches are DESIGNED to keep you in game. That is what is so ludicrous. TRION just thinks they will make more money if they get more people to buy their labor potions to get labor points instead of using the mechanism that XL built into their game and has been used for YEARS.
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here is what you do....don't play the game..why subject yourself to a company that does idiotic things like that...aa started off really bad....still not going well..trion majorly goofed up on it....was really looking forward to the game...then took a step back and read the reviews ..glad i did..not wasting time with a hacker and bot filled game that is ran by a company that does things like ban you for sleeping or sitting..not worth them time or cash..!
A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent their autokick for AFK feature.
This threat seems ludicrous to me. They specifically coded these features to KEEP people in game and then will ban players for using those features. It's not as though someone found a bizarre and unintended exploit. These items are MADE to keep people from getting AFK kicked...
The problem is that the game was designed for Korea and the goal was to KEEP PLAYERS in game. The same way the labor rewards you with a higher regen for being in game. Threatening bans seems beyond ridiculous for sitting on a bench or sleeping in a bed. Simply login at any time and you will be flooded with GoldSeller spam... maybe they could ban those guys, or the bots, or the guys with teleport hacks, or the guys that used 3rd party programs to buy all the land...
/discuss
They didn't create these features for you to afk as much as you want.
So much derp going on in this person's thought process.
If it's an exploit they should fix it right? Ooh yes, that's right. Trion can't alter the game.
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All of this AFKing comes because of how they designed the labor point system and hoy you gain those points, it was told from the begining it was going to be an issue...
From what i've gathered, the following is the case:
1. You can use benches and beds
2. You still get kicked for being AFK after x minutes
3. Some people use a program to stay ingame. This is most likely something that simply moves the character every x-1 minutes, so the timer resets.
Now the thing i don't understand, what has this to do with beds and benches at all?
If you're afk, you get auto-kicked. The moment you move even if only for a split second, it gets reset. What is the advantage on using a bed/bench etc. over simply standing around and moving every few minutes?
Heck, even if the "standing" afk timer would be one minute, if i'm already using a program to do it, why should i care.
So for me, the actual problem seems to be that people use this program, and that HackShield doesn't detect it. What exactly their character is doing while they are afk should be irrelevant. If the program can make them move, they can simply run in circles all day anyways. Or post something in chat every few minutes, or open a menu, whatever.
If they are doing it manually, having a longer timer with a bench or bed would sure be convenient, but not only should that not be bannable, it's still irrelevant whether they are using a bed or a bench or whatever.
Trion/XLGames should either remove the extended AFK timer (if there is any), the option to use benches etc. and/or lower the AFk timer itself if that whole thing is such a huge problem.
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From what i've gathered, the following is the case:
1. You can use benches and beds
2. You still get kicked for being AFK after x minutes
3. Some people use a program to stay ingame. This is most likely something that simply moves the character every x-1 minutes, so the timer resets.
Now the thing i don't understand, what has this to do with beds and benches at all?
If you're afk, you get auto-kicked. The moment you move even if only for a split second, it gets reset. What is the advantage on using a bed/bench etc. over simply standing around and moving every few minutes?
Heck, even if the "standing" afk timer would be one minute, if i'm already using a program to do it, why should i care.
So for me, the actual problem seems to be that people use this program, and that HackShield doesn't detect it. What exactly their character is doing while they are afk should be irrelevant. If the program can make them move, they can simply run in circles all day anyways. Or post something in chat every few minutes, or open a menu, whatever.
If they are doing it manually, having a longer timer with a bench or bed would sure be convenient, but not only should that not be bannable, it's still irrelevant whether they are using a bed or a bench or whatever.
Trion/XLGames should either remove the extended AFK timer (if there is any), the option to use benches etc. and/or lower the AFk timer itself if that whole thing is such a huge problem.
You gathered wrong and thus your conclusions are wrong.
There are benches in game that are DESIGNED to prevent you from getting AFK kicked. There is no third party program. These benches have been in the game and used like this for YEARS overseas and months through Alpha/Beta/Release. TRION has said that if you sit on these benches you can be banned.
So again, no third party programs. No bug. These benches are DESIGNED by XLGAMES to prevent you from getting AFK kicked.
TRION would rather you buy their labor potions and thus have decided that using the benches, for what they were designed, is bannable.
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It's not JUST the bed. It's also sitting on a bench...
A bench specifically DESIGNED not to kick people who are AFK. Not for the jury. Just random people.
See. It would be really easy to fix. Just make the benches NOT BE SPECIAL. That would make a lot more sense than banning people for sitting on a bench that the designers specifically designed NOT TO KICK YOU FROM THE GAME.
The problem is that the game was designed TO MAKE PEOPLE STAY IN THE GAME. That's why things like the benches and beds exist. If the developer doesn't want people to sit on their benches or lay in their beds then simply remove them. I mean, they knew about this "problem" since their Alpha.
I'd much rather they focus on removing and banning the bots and farmers. I mean, the last jury I served on was me, and 4 guys named sgfgh, sdjhsdkjh, ehjgehr, fghfgh. That is not made up. The defendant was laughing. At the end he was happy because they all voted INNOCENT and he went free.
Everytime I login I get spammed over and over again for goldsellers.
Everytime I login I see botters that have pretty advanced scripts that teleport when wounded etc...
I haven't been able to buy any land because the same cheaters have programs that spam and buy land even from across the continent.
Maybe focus on those guys that are really exploiting or using 3rd party programs instead of sitting on a bench or laying in a bed as designed...
Your logic is flawed at the very essence... if the game is designed to keep you in game... why is there an AFK kick feature at all? Why not let players stay in game 24/7 365 days a year? If that truly is the intent, they would prevent you from even exiting the game... force you to pull the plug from the wall just to leave. You're a prisoner, you can't leave, you must accumulate everything first!
If you can't handle seeing peeps whacking on a target dummy all day, sitting on a bench all day, sleeping in a bed all day, running in place all day, running in circles all day, et al... this game is not for you. Clearly the game is not for you because you will create threads about anything to bring hate onto the game just because you can't get any land. Well I hate to tell you this, land won't be openly available until around March. I suggest coming back then when everyone else has already left. Then you can have all the land you want. Let us know how important land is when you're the only one playing.
If you can't handle seeing peeps whacking on a target dummy all day, sitting on a bench all day, sleeping in a bed all day, running in place all day, running in circles all day, et al... this game is not for you. Clearly the game is not for you because you will create threads about anything to bring hate onto the game just because you can't get any land. Well I hate to tell you this, land won't be openly available until around March. I suggest coming back then when everyone else has already left. Then you can have all the land you want. Let us know how important land is when you're the only one playing.
I don't think you understand the thread. I have no problem with people doing any or all of the items you listed as long as they are not using 3rd party programs.
Seem like you had a point to make and just wanted to shoehorn it into an available thread.
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The problem stems from the labor system. I assume people are finding ways to circumvent the way the labor system works and Trion, being unable to alter/adjust the code, has to rely on XLGames. XL has not been shown to exhibit quick behavior to alter the game.
So, Trion is doing what Trion can do while they wait for XL to stop doing fuck all and actually do something.
Do I agree with it? No. I don't agree with the level 15 restriction on chat either.
The labor system was built around the internet cafe experience prominent in KR.. It will not just magically translate to a Western market. But it looks like XL never disclosed this tidbit or Trion is literally strapped for cash and took this on for a financial bail-out of some kind.
This game is so bad. What if you are a role player and you like to treat your digital avatar like a living thing, thus role playing an eight hour sleep in a bed...which do happens coincides with your sleep schedule irl...I thought this was a sandbox where I could play anyway I like.
Originally posted by rojoArcueid if there is a bug that is causing sitting or sleeping to bypass AFK forced log out, then why dont they disable the /sit /sleep animation/command until the bug is fixed? They dont disable it but then they ban people who want to sit or sleep.... lol. Sure /sleep and /sit have no purpose in mmos because they dont give you any bonus or benefit, but then why do they add them to the game? This makes no sense.
It's not a bug. These benches are DESIGNED to keep you in game. That is what is so ludicrous. TRION just thinks they will make more money if they get more people to buy their labor potions to get labor points instead of using the mechanism that XL built into their game and has been used for YEARS.
Then that is indeed a problem. If Trion is claiming that benches and beds bypass the AFK kick timer (that was developed by XLgames) then thats even more reason to just disable those features until they manage to find a work around. If they are designed to give labor point boost, then there is nothing to do because the only way to get labor point boost is by going AFK (nobody would sit there and watch paint dry).
I dont think Trion (if this only happens in NA version), or XL in general ever realised that having 2 systems that clash with each other (AFK kicks, and passive LP gain by AFKing) in the game would cause problems. Again, not even roleplayers stare at the screen when their character is "sleeping", they go afk.
Originally posted by rojoArcueid if there is a bug that is causing sitting or sleeping to bypass AFK forced log out, then why dont they disable the /sit /sleep animation/command until the bug is fixed? They dont disable it but then they ban people who want to sit or sleep.... lol. Sure /sleep and /sit have no purpose in mmos because they dont give you any bonus or benefit, but then why do they add them to the game? This makes no sense.
It's not a bug. These benches are DESIGNED to keep you in game. That is what is so ludicrous. TRION just thinks they will make more money if they get more people to buy their labor potions to get labor points instead of using the mechanism that XL built into their game and has been used for YEARS.
To make money if you change the game mechanisms, it's painful for it's player base.
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Labor is another revenue stream for Trion that runs parallel to the subscription revenue steam. They have to protect it so they can gouge their patrons properly.
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I have seen auto-relog scripts being used in here.
Even if you are booted as being AFK, you spawn right back and again continue.
The game has too much on the client-side and thus most malicious practices works.
It can be manipulated as easily as an old PC ... CD / install game.
"THIS GAME IS BEYOND REPAIR" !!!
Unless, if you are going for a server re-roll and a fresh start and a complete new launching after fixing the complete client-side of the game.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
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none of this matters, they were created for RP or for buffs related to crafting not to be used to circumvent the AFK system that WAS put in place to stop people from AFK labor gaining, Labor gains online are a benefit for those players who PLAY the game, not log out on a bench.
Its the same exact reason you will get banned for fighting mobs on a piece of land that the mob can't reach you from.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
It's not a bug. These benches are DESIGNED to keep you in game. That is what is so ludicrous. TRION just thinks they will make more money if they get more people to buy their labor potions to get labor points instead of using the mechanism that XL built into their game and has been used for YEARS.
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If it's an exploit they should fix it right? Ooh yes, that's right. Trion can't alter the game.
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No but seriously... this is the wrong way to "solve" a problem.
From what i've gathered, the following is the case:
1. You can use benches and beds
2. You still get kicked for being AFK after x minutes
3. Some people use a program to stay ingame. This is most likely something that simply moves the character every x-1 minutes, so the timer resets.
Now the thing i don't understand, what has this to do with beds and benches at all?
If you're afk, you get auto-kicked. The moment you move even if only for a split second, it gets reset. What is the advantage on using a bed/bench etc. over simply standing around and moving every few minutes?
Heck, even if the "standing" afk timer would be one minute, if i'm already using a program to do it, why should i care.
So for me, the actual problem seems to be that people use this program, and that HackShield doesn't detect it. What exactly their character is doing while they are afk should be irrelevant. If the program can make them move, they can simply run in circles all day anyways. Or post something in chat every few minutes, or open a menu, whatever.
If they are doing it manually, having a longer timer with a bench or bed would sure be convenient, but not only should that not be bannable, it's still irrelevant whether they are using a bed or a bench or whatever.
Trion/XLGames should either remove the extended AFK timer (if there is any), the option to use benches etc. and/or lower the AFk timer itself if that whole thing is such a huge problem.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
You gathered wrong and thus your conclusions are wrong.
There are benches in game that are DESIGNED to prevent you from getting AFK kicked. There is no third party program. These benches have been in the game and used like this for YEARS overseas and months through Alpha/Beta/Release. TRION has said that if you sit on these benches you can be banned.
So again, no third party programs. No bug. These benches are DESIGNED by XLGAMES to prevent you from getting AFK kicked.
TRION would rather you buy their labor potions and thus have decided that using the benches, for what they were designed, is bannable.
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Your logic is flawed at the very essence... if the game is designed to keep you in game... why is there an AFK kick feature at all? Why not let players stay in game 24/7 365 days a year? If that truly is the intent, they would prevent you from even exiting the game... force you to pull the plug from the wall just to leave. You're a prisoner, you can't leave, you must accumulate everything first!
If you can't handle seeing peeps whacking on a target dummy all day, sitting on a bench all day, sleeping in a bed all day, running in place all day, running in circles all day, et al... this game is not for you. Clearly the game is not for you because you will create threads about anything to bring hate onto the game just because you can't get any land. Well I hate to tell you this, land won't be openly available until around March. I suggest coming back then when everyone else has already left. Then you can have all the land you want. Let us know how important land is when you're the only one playing.
I don't think you understand the thread. I have no problem with people doing any or all of the items you listed as long as they are not using 3rd party programs.
Seem like you had a point to make and just wanted to shoehorn it into an available thread.
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The problem stems from the labor system. I assume people are finding ways to circumvent the way the labor system works and Trion, being unable to alter/adjust the code, has to rely on XLGames. XL has not been shown to exhibit quick behavior to alter the game.
So, Trion is doing what Trion can do while they wait for XL to stop doing fuck all and actually do something.
Do I agree with it? No. I don't agree with the level 15 restriction on chat either.
The labor system was built around the internet cafe experience prominent in KR.. It will not just magically translate to a Western market. But it looks like XL never disclosed this tidbit or Trion is literally strapped for cash and took this on for a financial bail-out of some kind.
Then that is indeed a problem. If Trion is claiming that benches and beds bypass the AFK kick timer (that was developed by XLgames) then thats even more reason to just disable those features until they manage to find a work around. If they are designed to give labor point boost, then there is nothing to do because the only way to get labor point boost is by going AFK (nobody would sit there and watch paint dry).
I dont think Trion (if this only happens in NA version), or XL in general ever realised that having 2 systems that clash with each other (AFK kicks, and passive LP gain by AFKing) in the game would cause problems. Again, not even roleplayers stare at the screen when their character is "sleeping", they go afk.
To make money if you change the game mechanisms, it's painful for it's player base.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
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