I believe nothing until DMKano tells me to believe.
Stages of a new mmo: 1) It's just beta. It still has plenty of time before release. 2) It just launched. Give it time. WoW wasn't built in a day. 3) We don't need you anyway. 4) F2P announced. 5)Huge influx of players. 6) Look how much has changed. 7) Cash shop is the only thing developed lately. 8) It has been a long journey and we thank everyone who was part of it. Shutting down in 3 months. (Courtesy of Robokapp.)
Not even the whales can keep up with the cheats, hacks, dupes and exploits that are rampant in AA, lol
Only a fool would spend money in AA, you can get everything for free ! Just do some research, some of the hacks and exploits have been in the game for years...
Any game that lets you get currency with your wallet is pay to win. Yes, that includes Eve, although the way skill gain works it does mitigate that a bit. It's still horrid, though. A sad joke that is blighting MMOs left and right.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Originally posted by Madimorga Any game that lets you get currency with your wallet is pay to win. Yes, that includes Eve, although the way skill gain works it does mitigate that a bit. It's still horrid, though. A sad joke that is blighting MMOs left and right.
While Even is technically pay-to-win, due to the fact that nearly everything there is destructable besides the skills (which aren't really pay-to-win, as you've stated, barring breaking the ToS by buying accounts)it's also pay-to-lose-big in some ways, which arguably makes the game more fun.
I've come to realize that in the end, the semantics of pay-to-win aren't really relevant. What's relevant is if the monetization system hurts the game, which, as we know from R2's presentation (and first hand experience if you've been around enough), is usually the case with anything that has significant pay-to-advantage (what most of us refer to as pay-to-win, but again, the semantics don't really matter), but in Eve, it iarguably enhances gameplay sometimes because it instead adds the hilarious moments where you can cost a guy thousands of bucks by blowing up their ship.
Of course majority of mmorpg.com posters will think AA is pay2win. even if AA only had cosmetic items in cash shop majority would still vote pay2win. if they did not have any cash shop only optional sub with f2p option they would still vote pay2win. as long as there is a money factor in f2p games majority of mmo forums goer call it pay2win. i have played shit load of pay2win games and by no way AA is a pay2win game. some can spend 100$ a month and be unlucky to fail all of his crafting attempt and get shit gears(actually someone has and now he qq in swtor general chat) and someone can be lucky enough to get rare quality items on their 1st crafting try without even spending a dime. you wanna call it pay2win? sure go ahead, majority of mmo forum goers come from western culture where it is a firm belief that "ignorance is a bliss", it is your culture, i will not be judgemental.
peace.
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Originally posted by Madimorga Any game that lets you get currency with your wallet is pay to win. Yes, that includes Eve, although the way skill gain works it does mitigate that a bit. It's still horrid, though. A sad joke that is blighting MMOs left and right.
While Even is technically pay-to-win, due to the fact that nearly everything there is destructable besides the skills (which aren't really pay-to-win, as you've stated, barring breaking the ToS by buying accounts)it's also pay-to-lose-big in some ways, which arguably makes the game more fun.
I've come to realize that in the end, the semantics of pay-to-win aren't really relevant. What's relevant is if the monetization system hurts the game, which, as we know from R2's presentation (and first hand experience if you've been around enough), is usually the case with anything that has significant pay-to-advantage (what most of us refer to as pay-to-win, but again, the semantics don't really matter), but in Eve, it iarguably enhances gameplay sometimes because it instead adds the hilarious moments where you can cost a guy thousands of bucks by blowing up their ship.
I know Eve is the least offensive, but it still offends me. There was a hysterical RP-ish piece someone did lampooning it that I wish I could find again that sums up the ridiculousness perfectly. It was from the POV of an interview with a galactic trader trying to explain how he got his start with a burger flipping job in an alternate universe.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
On Salphira, any piece of soon to be available land, and I mean any, has anywhere from 5-50 people trying to grab it at the same time. So, yea, I'd say you're really lucky, or your server isn't as crazy. I gave up after I tried and failed a dozen times or so trying to drop my 16x16.
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I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
I'm wondering what there really is to win or lose in AA, I know the way I would play the game there isn't much.
I'm one of the few people who voted no in the poll, I find the hacking situation to be of much greater concern and what keeps me from actually playing right now.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
He didn't mention his gear.
Most of the P2W/advantage elements in Archeage don't have anything to particularly do with land, anyways. Well, at least, not while Tax Certs are cheap.
......doesn't seem like they're very cheap these days, though. I've now seen posts by people worrying about affording their taxes because tax cert prices have risen (though that might be a good thing. Land hoarding hurts the game). Admittingly, since no one can use the marketplace and all this hacking, duping, bannings (both legitimate and not), and everything else is going on, AA isn't pay-to-win right now so much as can't-pay-and-everyone-loses. Or can't-pay-and-can't-play (no labor). Seeing tons of people on the forums now complaining that they've run out of labor because their new shiny land/wagon/fishing boat used it up so quickly and labor potions are through the roof on prices. Although they've kinda been drowned out by the bigger issues facing the game (hacking, duping, Trion's "100% accurate" bannings for the latest exploit...)
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
I'm wondering what there really is to win or lose in AA, I know the way I would play the game there isn't much.
I'm one of the few people who voted no in the poll, I find the hacking situation to be of much greater concern and what keeps me from actually playing right now.
You know what i think? if this hacking/botting/auto acquire land problem did not exist, these same people who are now qqing about pay2win would be creating threads calling AA "second coming of swg/uo/daoc" or some bullshit like that. trion did screw up with all of these problems, they should have asked XLGames to fix their damn 3rd party security system.
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Originally posted by Madimorga Any game that lets you get currency with your wallet is pay to win. Yes, that includes Eve, although the way skill gain works it does mitigate that a bit. It's still horrid, though. A sad joke that is blighting MMOs left and right.
While Even is technically pay-to-win, due to the fact that nearly everything there is destructable besides the skills (which aren't really pay-to-win, as you've stated, barring breaking the ToS by buying accounts)it's also pay-to-lose-big in some ways, which arguably makes the game more fun.
I've come to realize that in the end, the semantics of pay-to-win aren't really relevant. What's relevant is if the monetization system hurts the game, which, as we know from R2's presentation (and first hand experience if you've been around enough), is usually the case with anything that has significant pay-to-advantage (what most of us refer to as pay-to-win, but again, the semantics don't really matter), but in Eve, it iarguably enhances gameplay sometimes because it instead adds the hilarious moments where you can cost a guy thousands of bucks by blowing up their ship.
I know Eve is the least offensive, but it still offends me. There was a hysterical RP-ish piece someone did lampooning it that I wish I could find again that sums up the ridiculousness perfectly. It was from the POV of an interview with a galactic trader trying to explain how he got his start with a burger flipping job in an alternate universe.
If they did not have this plex system people would be buying isk from 3rd party sites. well you know what? people actually still do that, you should try searching google to check out isk price. those "innocent" days when everybody would be holding hands and playing pretty songs in mmo are over, get over it. just because you or me don't want to spend money to gain advantage doesn't mean others feel the same way. in this case it is best to give the money to publisher than to a 3rd party.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
He didn't mention his gear.
Most of the P2W/advantage elements in Archeage don't have anything to particularly do with land, anyways. Well, at least, not while Tax Certs are cheap.
......doesn't seem like they're very cheap these days, though. I've now seen posts by people worrying about affording their taxes because tax cert prices have risen (though that might be a good thing. Land hoarding hurts the game). Admittingly, since no one can use the marketplace and all this hacking, duping, bannings (both legitimate and not), and everything else is going on, AA isn't pay-to-win right now so much as can't-pay-and-everyone-loses. Or can't-pay-and-can't-play (no labor). Seeing tons of people on the forums now complaining that they've run out of labor because their new shiny land/wagon/fishing boat used it up so quickly and labor potions are through the roof on prices. Although they've kinda been drowned out by the bigger issues facing the game (hacking, duping, Trion's "100% accurate" bannings for the latest exploit...)
I understand, if you are trying to be competitive gear wise, this might be an issue. I'm not, never was. Basically being a casual player I never have the best gear, and am always well below the leaders in any game, regardless whether they got their advantage through playing longer, or paying more, result is the same to me.
So in my case, none of it really makes much difference though the hacking does because it pemits people to earn unreasonable income which can drive up prices which would impact my game play.
I'd love to see the taxes on land go way up so it forced people to relinquish their control of some of it, so far I'm not reading about any servers having vast tracks of land land available especially in the safe zones.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Of course majority of mmorpg.com posters will think AA is pay2win. even if AA only had cosmetic items in cash shop majority would still vote pay2win. if they did not have any cash shop only optional sub with f2p option they would still vote pay2win. as long as there is a money factor in f2p games majority of mmo forums goer call it pay2win. i have played shit load of pay2win games and by no way AA is a pay2win game. some can spend 100$ a month and be unlucky to fail all of his crafting attempt and get shit gears(actually someone has and now he qq in swtor general chat) and someone can be lucky enough to get rare quality items on their 1st crafting try without even spending a dime. you wanna call it pay2win? sure go ahead, majority of mmo forum goers come from western culture where it is a firm belief that "ignorance is a bliss", it is your culture, i will not be judgemental.
peace.
Completely wrong. If the cash shop was only cosmetic, we wouldn't vote p2w. When the best gear is crafting and spending real money garners you a major advantage than those who don't, the game is most definitely p2w. Some may hop on the hater or fanboy bandwagon, but I think a lot of people can make an intelligent observation about the monetization of this game.
Bottom line, the cash shop has had a detrimental affect on the economy, land ownership, PvP and pretty much every other aspect on this game. For years this will be used as an example of a company's greed overpowering the care for maintaining the playerbase.
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
He didn't mention his gear.
Most of the P2W/advantage elements in Archeage don't have anything to particularly do with land, anyways. Well, at least, not while Tax Certs are cheap.
......doesn't seem like they're very cheap these days, though. I've now seen posts by people worrying about affording their taxes because tax cert prices have risen (though that might be a good thing. Land hoarding hurts the game). Admittingly, since no one can use the marketplace and all this hacking, duping, bannings (both legitimate and not), and everything else is going on, AA isn't pay-to-win right now so much as can't-pay-and-everyone-loses. Or can't-pay-and-can't-play (no labor). Seeing tons of people on the forums now complaining that they've run out of labor because their new shiny land/wagon/fishing boat used it up so quickly and labor potions are through the roof on prices. Although they've kinda been drowned out by the bigger issues facing the game (hacking, duping, Trion's "100% accurate" bannings for the latest exploit...)
You are correct that I won't get the best gear as fast as a Duper or Hacker, but I make a steady enough income to get it pretty fast. Im a PvPer first so trust me I do all this stuff in game for one thing...my gear
The one thing ill say is that I wont spend money for gold or do anything else because usually once you have the best gear it doesn't have the longest shelf life...meaning you will have to spend more money to keep up.....I like being able to upgrade and not spending a dime of real money to do so
Originally posted by DMKano If ArcheAge is p2w than all games are p2w. In WoW you can buy a high level character - doesn't that give you an advantage over those that didn't pay and start at level 1? Everything in AA cash shop can be bough for via gold in game - this includes cash shop credits, you can buy those with gold too.
It's an apples and oranges scenario. They're both fruits but they're nothing alike... In WoW, you can pay for a 90 which will land you with a 90 and below average green gear which you can do pretty much nothing with other than get carried in heroics (due to new stat squish).
You forgot to mention the fact that everyone who buys WoD also gets a free 90, therefore no one gets an advantage over anyone because everyone will have a 90 if they buy the expansion. The people who do not buy the expansion aren't really "winning" the game in the first place because they will not be reaching end game, so they can't really complain. ArchAge is a fun game but it has a lot to solve, including it's p2w aspect before it brings in more players (and for it to not lose its current playerbase).
I voted no, though it does share some P2W aspects....in my opinion.
This game is most certain Hack2win.
Glad I've continued to stay away from this one, even though it "looks" like an amazing game. It's very interesting to sit back and watch this story unfold.
This game was a mess long before it moved to the western world and everyone just put their blinders on. Fact: If you build a zoo with no locks on the cages, you will have a disaster on your hands.
I don't think AA is P2W, because most people cannot throw thousands of dollars at the game. But the bad code enabling various hacks has turned it into an exploiter's paradise, with most people looking for some kind of an edge just to keep up. I think that kind of mentality is very close to P2W.
LOL, at this point, it's all moot. Whether it is or it isn't, you've either already played it and quit, haven't played it yet and never will, or still playing it... in which case you don't care one way or another.
Free to play with a Cash shop... ok I can work with that...
Add to that a subscription, and your still subjected to the limitations.. different story.
Subscribers pay monthly, they should NOT be subject to the labor throttle.
PVP oriented game with a cash shop that decreases their grind/time to obtain the best gear is a very poor design.
Ultimately AA is pretty good, A LOT of room for improvement, (So much grinding)
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Recommendation
You will enjoy even the most boring games if you play with like minded fun people who enjoy just the fact they are playing with each other.
Example:
Hasla = grind fest gathering tokens to buy very good weapons (Sad its the ony way to get weapons because crafting costs thousands)
I swore I would not grind the tokens for Tier 2 weapons. I actually have been collecting tokens with guildies and actually I have found it to be a pleasant social experience even with the insane repetition.
Find people you enjoy playing with and make the best of it. Or find a new game.
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Why thank you for the support Jabas and the rest that voted for me.... lotsa
It's pretty special when you can make it into the Top-3
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Paying and winning in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIlxr7tmI2g
Stages of a new mmo: 1) It's just beta. It still has plenty of time before release. 2) It just launched. Give it time. WoW wasn't built in a day. 3) We don't need you anyway. 4) F2P announced. 5)Huge influx of players. 6) Look how much has changed. 7) Cash shop is the only thing developed lately. 8) It has been a long journey and we thank everyone who was part of it. Shutting down in 3 months. (Courtesy of Robokapp.)
AA is not P2W.
AA is "Hack-to-Win" (H2W) !
Not even the whales can keep up with the cheats, hacks, dupes and exploits that are rampant in AA, lol
Only a fool would spend money in AA, you can get everything for free ! Just do some research, some of the hacks and exploits have been in the game for years...
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
While Even is technically pay-to-win, due to the fact that nearly everything there is destructable besides the skills (which aren't really pay-to-win, as you've stated, barring breaking the ToS by buying accounts)it's also pay-to-lose-big in some ways, which arguably makes the game more fun.
I've come to realize that in the end, the semantics of pay-to-win aren't really relevant. What's relevant is if the monetization system hurts the game, which, as we know from R2's presentation (and first hand experience if you've been around enough), is usually the case with anything that has significant pay-to-advantage (what most of us refer to as pay-to-win, but again, the semantics don't really matter), but in Eve, it iarguably enhances gameplay sometimes because it instead adds the hilarious moments where you can cost a guy thousands of bucks by blowing up their ship.
Just give them money, and they'll give you whatever you want.
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Of course majority of mmorpg.com posters will think AA is pay2win. even if AA only had cosmetic items in cash shop majority would still vote pay2win. if they did not have any cash shop only optional sub with f2p option they would still vote pay2win. as long as there is a money factor in f2p games majority of mmo forums goer call it pay2win. i have played shit load of pay2win games and by no way AA is a pay2win game. some can spend 100$ a month and be unlucky to fail all of his crafting attempt and get shit gears(actually someone has and now he qq in swtor general chat) and someone can be lucky enough to get rare quality items on their 1st crafting try without even spending a dime. you wanna call it pay2win? sure go ahead, majority of mmo forum goers come from western culture where it is a firm belief that "ignorance is a bliss", it is your culture, i will not be judgemental.
peace.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
While Even is technically pay-to-win, due to the fact that nearly everything there is destructable besides the skills (which aren't really pay-to-win, as you've stated, barring breaking the ToS by buying accounts)it's also pay-to-lose-big in some ways, which arguably makes the game more fun.
I've come to realize that in the end, the semantics of pay-to-win aren't really relevant. What's relevant is if the monetization system hurts the game, which, as we know from R2's presentation (and first hand experience if you've been around enough), is usually the case with anything that has significant pay-to-advantage (what most of us refer to as pay-to-win, but again, the semantics don't really matter), but in Eve, it iarguably enhances gameplay sometimes because it instead adds the hilarious moments where you can cost a guy thousands of bucks by blowing up their ship.
I know Eve is the least offensive, but it still offends me. There was a hysterical RP-ish piece someone did lampooning it that I wish I could find again that sums up the ridiculousness perfectly. It was from the POV of an interview with a galactic trader trying to explain how he got his start with a burger flipping job in an alternate universe.I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
I own 3 large farms, 3 small farms, and 1 cottage all side by side on Mermaids Island in Sanddeep, 1 cutter, and 1 Lutesong Junk 1 wagon (Naima Server).
Only thing I bought was the founders pack to get into Alpha and Headstart.
No land hacks or nothing so I guess Im one of the lucky ones?
On Salphira, any piece of soon to be available land, and I mean any, has anywhere from 5-50 people trying to grab it at the same time. So, yea, I'd say you're really lucky, or your server isn't as crazy. I gave up after I tried and failed a dozen times or so trying to drop my 16x16.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
How does it feel to "lose" AA, according to most posters you clearly have been crushed.
I'm wondering what there really is to win or lose in AA, I know the way I would play the game there isn't much.
I'm one of the few people who voted no in the poll, I find the hacking situation to be of much greater concern and what keeps me from actually playing right now.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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He didn't mention his gear.
Most of the P2W/advantage elements in Archeage don't have anything to particularly do with land, anyways. Well, at least, not while Tax Certs are cheap.
......doesn't seem like they're very cheap these days, though. I've now seen posts by people worrying about affording their taxes because tax cert prices have risen (though that might be a good thing. Land hoarding hurts the game). Admittingly, since no one can use the marketplace and all this hacking, duping, bannings (both legitimate and not), and everything else is going on, AA isn't pay-to-win right now so much as can't-pay-and-everyone-loses. Or can't-pay-and-can't-play (no labor). Seeing tons of people on the forums now complaining that they've run out of labor because their new shiny land/wagon/fishing boat used it up so quickly and labor potions are through the roof on prices. Although they've kinda been drowned out by the bigger issues facing the game (hacking, duping, Trion's "100% accurate" bannings for the latest exploit...)
You know what i think? if this hacking/botting/auto acquire land problem did not exist, these same people who are now qqing about pay2win would be creating threads calling AA "second coming of swg/uo/daoc" or some bullshit like that. trion did screw up with all of these problems, they should have asked XLGames to fix their damn 3rd party security system.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
If they did not have this plex system people would be buying isk from 3rd party sites. well you know what? people actually still do that, you should try searching google to check out isk price. those "innocent" days when everybody would be holding hands and playing pretty songs in mmo are over, get over it. just because you or me don't want to spend money to gain advantage doesn't mean others feel the same way. in this case it is best to give the money to publisher than to a 3rd party.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
I understand, if you are trying to be competitive gear wise, this might be an issue. I'm not, never was. Basically being a casual player I never have the best gear, and am always well below the leaders in any game, regardless whether they got their advantage through playing longer, or paying more, result is the same to me.
So in my case, none of it really makes much difference though the hacking does because it pemits people to earn unreasonable income which can drive up prices which would impact my game play.
I'd love to see the taxes on land go way up so it forced people to relinquish their control of some of it, so far I'm not reading about any servers having vast tracks of land land available especially in the safe zones.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Completely wrong. If the cash shop was only cosmetic, we wouldn't vote p2w. When the best gear is crafting and spending real money garners you a major advantage than those who don't, the game is most definitely p2w. Some may hop on the hater or fanboy bandwagon, but I think a lot of people can make an intelligent observation about the monetization of this game.
Bottom line, the cash shop has had a detrimental affect on the economy, land ownership, PvP and pretty much every other aspect on this game. For years this will be used as an example of a company's greed overpowering the care for maintaining the playerbase.
You are correct that I won't get the best gear as fast as a Duper or Hacker, but I make a steady enough income to get it pretty fast. Im a PvPer first so trust me I do all this stuff in game for one thing...my gear
The one thing ill say is that I wont spend money for gold or do anything else because usually once you have the best gear it doesn't have the longest shelf life...meaning you will have to spend more money to keep up.....I like being able to upgrade and not spending a dime of real money to do so
It's an apples and oranges scenario. They're both fruits but they're nothing alike... In WoW, you can pay for a 90 which will land you with a 90 and below average green gear which you can do pretty much nothing with other than get carried in heroics (due to new stat squish).
You forgot to mention the fact that everyone who buys WoD also gets a free 90, therefore no one gets an advantage over anyone because everyone will have a 90 if they buy the expansion. The people who do not buy the expansion aren't really "winning" the game in the first place because they will not be reaching end game, so they can't really complain. ArchAge is a fun game but it has a lot to solve, including it's p2w aspect before it brings in more players (and for it to not lose its current playerbase).
I voted no, though it does share some P2W aspects....in my opinion.
This game is most certain Hack2win.
Glad I've continued to stay away from this one, even though it "looks" like an amazing game. It's very interesting to sit back and watch this story unfold.
This game was a mess long before it moved to the western world and everyone just put their blinders on. Fact: If you build a zoo with no locks on the cages, you will have a disaster on your hands.
I don't think AA is P2W, because most people cannot throw thousands of dollars at the game. But the bad code enabling various hacks has turned it into an exploiter's paradise, with most people looking for some kind of an edge just to keep up. I think that kind of mentality is very close to P2W.
Now the game is just kind of sad.
Pay 2 Win, and Pay 2 Enjoy.
Also not worth playing anymore due to the mass amount of exploiters, and bugs in AA with no fix.
I tried AA for less than 24 hours didn't like at all glad I didn't buy a founders pack.
LOL, at this point, it's all moot. Whether it is or it isn't, you've either already played it and quit, haven't played it yet and never will, or still playing it... in which case you don't care one way or another.
The game is what it is. Accept it and move along.
Opinion:
Free to play with a Cash shop... ok I can work with that...
Add to that a subscription, and your still subjected to the limitations.. different story.
Subscribers pay monthly, they should NOT be subject to the labor throttle.
PVP oriented game with a cash shop that decreases their grind/time to obtain the best gear is a very poor design.
Ultimately AA is pretty good, A LOT of room for improvement, (So much grinding)
SUMMARY:?
Recommendation
You will enjoy even the most boring games if you play with like minded fun people who enjoy just the fact they are playing with each other.
Example:
Hasla = grind fest gathering tokens to buy very good weapons (Sad its the ony way to get weapons because crafting costs thousands)
I swore I would not grind the tokens for Tier 2 weapons. I actually have been collecting tokens with guildies and actually I have found it to be a pleasant social experience even with the insane repetition.
Find people you enjoy playing with and make the best of it. Or find a new game.
Nothing new to discuss so we're beating this dead horse again?