Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
As long as people keep paying for something, someone will be offering it for sale.
Exactly the problem I was getting at in the 3rd point of my post.
So people liking and buying other things than you personally like is a "problem"?
Honestly, it's none of your business if other people "waste" their money or not.
You have all the control you need.
Vote with your wallet and stop complaining.
You do realise that you can only vote "Yes" with your wallet in this kind of scenario ?
If you simply don't buy something, the seller has no idea WHY you didn't buy it.
The seller doesn't know if you're aware of what is being offered for sale.
In fact, the seller doesn't even know that you exist !
The only effective way to "vote with your wallet" is to stop spending money on a product that the seller knows you are already buying, e.g. cancelling a game subscription.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
You do realise that you can only vote "Yes" with your wallet in this kind of scenario ?
If you simply don't buy something, the seller has no idea WHY you didn't buy it.
The seller doesn't know if you're aware of what is being offered for sale.
In fact, the seller doesn't even know that you exist !
The only effective way to "vote with your wallet" is to stop spending money on a product that the seller knows you are already buying, e.g. cancelling a game subscription.
Thats an excellent point that I never thought of good point.
People say one thing with their poll clicks and something completely different with their wallets. Which one do you think publishers really care about?
Psst... come over here... check this out... bottled water! Yep that's right, it's bottled water!. I take the same tap water that you drink every day for free and put it into these handy portable containers and charge you a dollar for the convenience. Isn't that great! Now you won't ever have to fill your own glass of water ever again. Just run on down to your local grocery store and pick up a case! How convenient is that! And to think, it took a century for someone to even think of this idea. I'm making millions selling bottled water!
And you wonder why people spend money to play a game that isn't even finished yet...
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
Originally posted by remyburke I miss playing release-worthy games. Remember those days?
No, I don't remember releases with no bugs...ever.
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Originally posted by remyburke I miss playing finished (or mostly finished) games. Remember those days?
No I dont. I have played almost every major MMO launch from 1999 on. I remember very few MMO that launch smoothly and content being fully flushed out. Or all content planed in play. What games do you speak of?
Well here the thing, Years ago before thispay to play testing gimick ceveolpers used to PAY TESTERS!
Yes that was a real job.
And you wonder why all the cheese has slid off your cracker!
it was a real thing. A paid beta tester. One who the devs could actualy comunicate directions to. Like BEAT TESTER #24618 Test mount travel fluididty over harsh terain or lose your job! But now its like hey can some of you please se=pend some time running around aimlessly over rough terain too see if youfall through the landscape anywhere and lable the exact location not it and .. oh yea your gona kill wombats all day again. well ...ok i guess.
It has become a non serious issue. Testing. It seemed impoertant at one time. I guess thats why we deal with so many bugs. Our testers dont need to listen to direction.
Originally posted by 5Luck Well here the thing, Years ago before thispay to play testing gimick ceveolpers used to PAY TESTERS!
Yes that was a real job.
And you wonder why all the cheese has slid off your cracker!
it was a real thing. A paid beta tester. One who the devs could actualy comunicate directions to. Like BEAT TESTER #24618 Test mount travel fluididty over harsh terain or lose your job! But now its like hey can some of you please se=pend some time running around aimlessly over rough terain too see if youfall through the landscape anywhere and lable the exact location not it and .. oh yea your gona kill wombats all day again. well ...ok i guess.
It has become a non serious issue. Testing. It seemed impoertant at one time. I guess thats why we deal with so many bugs. Our testers dont need to listen to direction.
This. I actually saw a post the other day in a thread where someone said they wanted even less QA than the little we get these days. /boggle
Times, they have changed.
Edit: On topic, I have no problem with early access.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word afterleading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
You do realise that you can only vote "Yes" with your wallet in this kind of scenario ?
If you simply don't buy something, the seller has no idea WHY you didn't buy it.
The seller doesn't know if you're aware of what is being offered for sale.
In fact, the seller doesn't even know that you exist !
The only effective way to "vote with your wallet" is to stop spending money on a product that the seller knows you are already buying, e.g. cancelling a game subscription.
If people don't buy into early access, companies will stop spending resources on enabling people to play early.
Thus the people voted "No" and it goes the way of the Dodo.
This is due to the game making a focus more on marketing than to actually spend the money for finishing or improving the game. We have seen a wave of games launching on early access and beta packages that cost just as much, in some cases more than the actual game, and the game even when released, is not as good as the advertising seemed to let on.
The theory is that game companies are now just hyping up a game and getting paid before it is even complete, then after they have collected enough money to meet their marketing goal, to put the game in a minimal production mode, less updates, less content, not as good as it should be, so that they can maximize profits.
Would you buy a car while its still in the factory?
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Valid points.
You are mixing two different topics here though. Marketing/Ads overhyping products is not a new issue, nor is it early access related. It's just what they do.
I agree though that there is surely some overlap and early access could be putting a bit more emphasis on hyping, but the other point is the actually interesting one:
A game eventually going into low maintenance mode earlier due to early access is an issue that should be discussed.
Are the early access people getting enough additional value out of early access to counter the eventually shorter post release lifespan they can enjoy the game for? Who knows. (Is the effect even proven?)
In any case they seem to think it's worth it. Or they don't think about it, in which case you are right, we should discuss it and bring the eventual consequences to their attention.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word afterleading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
I thought I was very clear but I will spell it out for you. Most games bad from launch and after launch missing many things from server stability to content not being fully ready. After launch most games take a few months to get servers running smooth and content added to keep player happy. My point you skipping over, head start is normally the smoothest time to play till things are fixed 3-6 month later. Yes head start is worth paying for to be first in line and to enjoy smooth content for 2-7 days of play time. Release and after release, I normally stop playing till the hell time has slowed down. 200% Yes its worth spending my money on. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
You do realise that you can only vote "Yes" with your wallet in this kind of scenario ?
If you simply don't buy something, the seller has no idea WHY you didn't buy it.
The seller doesn't know if you're aware of what is being offered for sale.
In fact, the seller doesn't even know that you exist !
The only effective way to "vote with your wallet" is to stop spending money on a product that the seller knows you are already buying, e.g. cancelling a game subscription.
If people don't buy into early access, companies will stop spending resources on enabling people to play early.
Thus the people voted "No" and it goes the way of the Dodo.
So according to your logic, we can only vote NO with our wallet if EVERYONE votes NO, which supports why this is an issue for people who do not support early access.
This game has my interest and is well worth the dinner for two at McDonalds it costs for a couple of reasons:
1. Survival zombie MMO from a big studio with rule-set servers ranging from PVE to permadeath PVP, and
2. A preview of the biggest reason EQN interests me: a new type of non-static mob behavior
Plus the discovery style crafting looks very well thought out... damn it, that was more than a couple wasn't it?
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word afterleading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
I thought I was very clear but I will spell it out for you. Most games bad from launch and after launch missing many things from server stability to content not being fully ready. After launch most games take a few months to get servers running smooth and content added to keep player happy. My point you skipping over, head start is normally the smoothest time to play till things are fixed 3-6 month later. Yes head start is worth paying for to be first in line and to enjoy smooth content for 2-7 days of play time. Release and after release, I normally stop playing till the hell time has slowed down. 200% Yes its worth spending my money on. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Drinks Iselin beer!!!!
Seems you are still missing the point. I'm talking AFTER Release again, you say after release yourself, but you are still supporting the pre-launch/launch benefits with no added argument of the game being any good after. Do you have anything to support that early access games are any good 3-6 months after, or even 2 years after launch?
So far it sounds like you only play games before launch which is odd.
I guess it is up to everyone to decide for themselves.
Me, I will not pay for a beta test unless it is a game I will pre-order anyways which have happened twice the last 7 years) based on what I know about the game. Usually I want to try a MMO before buying it or at least watch a buddy play a little.
I do have played many betas in the past to help the devs with the game, first was Lineage back in 2001 (I think) but I wont pay for that, in my opinion thye should pay me but I can offer up my time if it is something I am interested in.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word afterleading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
I thought I was very clear but I will spell it out for you. Most games bad from launch and after launch missing many things from server stability to content not being fully ready. After launch most games take a few months to get servers running smooth and content added to keep player happy. My point you skipping over, head start is normally the smoothest time to play till things are fixed 3-6 month later. Yes head start is worth paying for to be first in line and to enjoy smooth content for 2-7 days of play time. Release and after release, I normally stop playing till the hell time has slowed down. 200% Yes its worth spending my money on. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Drinks Iselin beer!!!!
Seems you are still missing the point. I'm talking AFTER Release again, you say after release yourself, but you are still supporting the pre-launch/launch benefits with no added argument of the game being any good after. Do you have anything to support that early access games are any good 3-6 months after, or even 2 years after launch?
So far it sounds like you only play games before launch which is odd.
Are you new to MMOing? If the game is no good, because I bought it before release, I get a refund. Thats what most MMOers do that know how things work. If I see the game is messed up but has potential I will stick it out and see how things turn out over the next few months and I work my way to max level. SWToR was a game like that. Hot mess to start but still glad I pre-ordered. All you need to get from my post is this...
Yes its worth spending my money on if you really like the idea of the game. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Originally posted by Destai The best you can do is be the change you want to see. I refuse to pay for something on kickstarter, early access on steam, paid beta, or whatever else. If you don't have a complete product, I'm not buying anything. I feel like companies have gotten this idea that consumers can be venture capitalists, maybe inspired by some misguided notion democratizing game development, but I don't support that. I'm not a venture capitalist (sadly), I'm a middle class guy with a budget. I want that money to be well spent. Fanciful ideas need not apply.
That's great for you, as long as all you want is CoD XIV.
Right, because the decades before early access cash grabs were littered with CoD franchises. Good try.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Who would not mind paying a few bucks to not wait in line? I would pay 3 bucks extra on a movie ticket to have the seat I wanted saved and I could show up just a few min before my movie started. Me first is something we all want, some are just willing to pay for it.
The issue at hand is that is ALL people are now paying for. Do you want to be the first to find out you payed for a game that is horrible even after release?
And were not talking about 3$ here, were talking 50$+ for a product thats supposed to be free is how bad it is getting.
I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
after release
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word afterleading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
I thought I was very clear but I will spell it out for you. Most games bad from launch and after launch missing many things from server stability to content not being fully ready. After launch most games take a few months to get servers running smooth and content added to keep player happy. My point you skipping over, head start is normally the smoothest time to play till things are fixed 3-6 month later. Yes head start is worth paying for to be first in line and to enjoy smooth content for 2-7 days of play time. Release and after release, I normally stop playing till the hell time has slowed down. 200% Yes its worth spending my money on. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Drinks Iselin beer!!!!
Seems you are still missing the point. I'm talking AFTER Release again, you say after release yourself, but you are still supporting the pre-launch/launch benefits with no added argument of the game being any good after. Do you have anything to support that early access games are any good 3-6 months after, or even 2 years after launch?
So far it sounds like you only play games before launch which is odd.
Are you new to MMOing? If the game is no good, because I bought it before release, I get a refund. Thats what most MMOers do that know how things work. If I see the game is messed up but has potential I will stick it out and see how things turn out over the next few months and I work my way to max level. SWToR was a game like that. Hot mess to start but still glad I pre-ordered. All you need to get from my post is this...
Yes its worth spending my money on if you really like the idea of the game. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
If the game is no good, because I bought it before release, I get a refund
I honestly doubt that the majority of people actually get a refund simply because they don't like a game, some companies may offer it, but I doubt its that easy. I would be interested to see if any Archeage players got a refund for their founder packs.
To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming
I really don't see your logic, you do realize if people dont buy early access there is a good possibility of it going away right? and if you don't want people to get in your way wouldn't a single player game be more suited for you? Not telling you what to do, just saying that this statement doesn't really fit in with supporting early access or MMOs.
Lastly, ideas of a game can be great, but if the game is actually good are two different things, I would rather pay for a game that is actually good rather than an idea that has potential to be good with no product to support it.
If people don't buy into early access, companies will stop spending resources on enabling people to play early.
Thus the people voted "No" and it goes the way of the Dodo.
So according to your logic, we can only vote NO with our wallet if EVERYONE votes NO, which supports why this is an issue for people who do not support early access.
So you are out-voted. If you cannot get others to vote your way, it is your problem, not theirs.
No one is obligated to see things as you do. Plus, how would early access even affect you if you are not buying it?
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I have been MMOing for 16 years, most MMOs are messed up at release and it stays that way for 3-6 months. Head start often is the best play time you get for a few months. I think people are forgetting how bad most MMO launches are. As I stated in this thread even WoW still holds as being one of the worse launches to date I can remember. I only remember one really good launch and that was Rift.
You do realise that you can only vote "Yes" with your wallet in this kind of scenario ?
If you simply don't buy something, the seller has no idea WHY you didn't buy it.
The seller doesn't know if you're aware of what is being offered for sale.
In fact, the seller doesn't even know that you exist !
The only effective way to "vote with your wallet" is to stop spending money on a product that the seller knows you are already buying, e.g. cancelling a game subscription.
after release
Thats an excellent point that I never thought of good point.
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And you wonder why people spend money to play a game that isn't even finished yet...
What are you trying to nitpick about or can you not get the gist of my post?
No, I don't remember releases with no bugs...ever.
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No I dont. I have played almost every major MMO launch from 1999 on. I remember very few MMO that launch smoothly and content being fully flushed out. Or all content planed in play. What games do you speak of?
lol owe me a beer.
Well here the thing, Years ago before thispay to play testing gimick ceveolpers used to PAY TESTERS!
Yes that was a real job.
And you wonder why all the cheese has slid off your cracker!
it was a real thing. A paid beta tester. One who the devs could actualy comunicate directions to. Like BEAT TESTER #24618 Test mount travel fluididty over harsh terain or lose your job! But now its like hey can some of you please se=pend some time running around aimlessly over rough terain too see if youfall through the landscape anywhere and lable the exact location not it and .. oh yea your gona kill wombats all day again. well ...ok i guess.
It has become a non serious issue. Testing. It seemed impoertant at one time. I guess thats why we deal with so many bugs. Our testers dont need to listen to direction.
This. I actually saw a post the other day in a thread where someone said they wanted even less QA than the little we get these days. /boggle
Times, they have changed.
Edit: On topic, I have no problem with early access.
I'm pointing out that your post doesn't address anything relevant, I was talking about early access games that are terrible even AFTER release, where you focused entirely on its launch. You skipped the word after leading you to a discussion about game launches which doesn't support anything.
If people don't buy into early access, companies will stop spending resources on enabling people to play early.
Thus the people voted "No" and it goes the way of the Dodo.
Valid points.
You are mixing two different topics here though. Marketing/Ads overhyping products is not a new issue, nor is it early access related. It's just what they do.
I agree though that there is surely some overlap and early access could be putting a bit more emphasis on hyping, but the other point is the actually interesting one:
A game eventually going into low maintenance mode earlier due to early access is an issue that should be discussed.
Are the early access people getting enough additional value out of early access to counter the eventually shorter post release lifespan they can enjoy the game for? Who knows. (Is the effect even proven?)
In any case they seem to think it's worth it. Or they don't think about it, in which case you are right, we should discuss it and bring the eventual consequences to their attention.
I thought I was very clear but I will spell it out for you. Most games bad from launch and after launch missing many things from server stability to content not being fully ready. After launch most games take a few months to get servers running smooth and content added to keep player happy. My point you skipping over, head start is normally the smoothest time to play till things are fixed 3-6 month later. Yes head start is worth paying for to be first in line and to enjoy smooth content for 2-7 days of play time. Release and after release, I normally stop playing till the hell time has slowed down. 200% Yes its worth spending my money on. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Drinks Iselin beer!!!!
So according to your logic, we can only vote NO with our wallet if EVERYONE votes NO, which supports why this is an issue for people who do not support early access.
This game has my interest and is well worth the dinner for two at McDonalds it costs for a couple of reasons:
1. Survival zombie MMO from a big studio with rule-set servers ranging from PVE to permadeath PVP, and
2. A preview of the biggest reason EQN interests me: a new type of non-static mob behavior
Plus the discovery style crafting looks very well thought out... damn it, that was more than a couple wasn't it?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Seems you are still missing the point. I'm talking AFTER Release again, you say after release yourself, but you are still supporting the pre-launch/launch benefits with no added argument of the game being any good after. Do you have anything to support that early access games are any good 3-6 months after, or even 2 years after launch?
So far it sounds like you only play games before launch which is odd.
I guess it is up to everyone to decide for themselves.
Me, I will not pay for a beta test unless it is a game I will pre-order anyways which have happened twice the last 7 years) based on what I know about the game. Usually I want to try a MMO before buying it or at least watch a buddy play a little.
I do have played many betas in the past to help the devs with the game, first was Lineage back in 2001 (I think) but I wont pay for that, in my opinion thye should pay me but I can offer up my time if it is something I am interested in.
Are you new to MMOing? If the game is no good, because I bought it before release, I get a refund. Thats what most MMOers do that know how things work. If I see the game is messed up but has potential I will stick it out and see how things turn out over the next few months and I work my way to max level. SWToR was a game like that. Hot mess to start but still glad I pre-ordered. All you need to get from my post is this...
Yes its worth spending my money on if you really like the idea of the game. To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming. I hope you hold your stand firm and stay the heck out of my way. Thanks!!!
Right, because the decades before early access cash grabs were littered with CoD franchises. Good try.
If the game is no good, because I bought it before release, I get a refund
I honestly doubt that the majority of people actually get a refund simply because they don't like a game, some companies may offer it, but I doubt its that easy. I would be interested to see if any Archeage players got a refund for their founder packs.
To people who dont want to spend that money I thank you for not getting in my way of gaming
I really don't see your logic, you do realize if people dont buy early access there is a good possibility of it going away right? and if you don't want people to get in your way wouldn't a single player game be more suited for you? Not telling you what to do, just saying that this statement doesn't really fit in with supporting early access or MMOs.
Lastly, ideas of a game can be great, but if the game is actually good are two different things, I would rather pay for a game that is actually good rather than an idea that has potential to be good with no product to support it.
So you are out-voted. If you cannot get others to vote your way, it is your problem, not theirs.
No one is obligated to see things as you do. Plus, how would early access even affect you if you are not buying it?