While I have no real opinion about the allegations made towards CIG, I find some of their practices a bit odd.
- Like how Chris Roberts defends his wife doing auditions for movies while having this important position in the company. And then he compares that to letting his employees play games during work lol. This just smells like having a trophy wife and giving her a position in your company to play with. I mean, it is not as if the position is important enough to require full commitment. right Something he expects from his other employees in other interviews. - Then there are these insanely priced packages and prices for ships. It just makes no sense. I am not judging the people who buy those. I mean if someone wants to burn their money to light a sigar, good for you. But a company that starts selling these way before the game is anywhere near completion. That is just wrong imo.
Someone needs to hand out some reality checks I think.
Soooo, does this mean that SC will indeed have a VR component or not,lol,joking. Whichever side prevails in this it certainly has provided many "time to get the popcorn" scenario's.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The badge however if true, that's the one that popcorn worthy.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The badge however if true, that's the one that popcorn worthy.
What badge? Escapist claimed to have verified a source via ID and PAY STUBS, where is the employee badge info coming from?
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The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The badge however if true, that's the one that popcorn worthy.
What badge? Escapist claimed to have verified a source via ID and PAY STUBS, where is the employee badge info coming from?
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
I think that's why the general consensus seems to be, that there's still more on the horizon in all of this. The CIG response puts the ball in Escapists court, to prove that they weren't just being taken for a ride by a group of collaborators, whether they be true disgruntled ex-employees or not. If they admit they acted in haste, instead of first waiting for comment from CIG on the article. Then not much else will come of it, I'd assume.
If Escapist however "triples down" and stands by the words of the sources, without consideration of the accused's (CIG's) side of the story. That's when we will see legal action, and everything will come out in the open.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
I think that's why the general consensus seems to be, that there's still more on the horizon in all of this. The CIG response puts the ball in Escapists court, to prove that they weren't just being taken for a ride by a group of collaborators, whether they be true disgruntled ex-employees or not. If they admit they acted in haste, instead of first waiting for comment from CIG on the article. Then not much else will come of it, I'd assume.
If Escapist however "triples down" and stands by the words of the sources, without consideration of the accused's (CIG's) side of the story. That's when we will see legal action, and everything will come out in the open.
What they are doing now is googling the hell out of it and contacting every industry contact they have mailmen, delivery guys, and contractors they can get ahold off to verify yes/no on badge.
The non existing badge is the only one relevant. Unless they have a communication/money chain between Escapist and other parties they can't meet burden of proof to even include the rest as part of the case. The badge thing however....
Well I'm not sure I agree with the badges being the only thing relevant, with the timeline of events on which parties acted and when. It could be viewed to show collaborative furthering of slander by other parties. Which would put Escapist in a spot to where they seem to be supporting in the defamation of CIG. That's what Ortwin's response is detailing.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The badge however if true, that's the one that popcorn worthy.
What badge? Escapist claimed to have verified a source via ID and PAY STUBS, where is the employee badge info coming from?
In the letter they say they don't use badges
EDIT it's easy to miss top of page 3
ok, Escapist say they verified one of the source people via ID and PAY STUBS, CIG say there is no such thing as an employee badge, but where/when did Escapist say the ID was an employee badge?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I live very near to Austin, so the best news here is that employees of the company don't have ID badges. This should make for an easy tour of the facilities.
In the past 20 years of professional work life, I've never worked for a single company that didn't have a company badge. From L3 Communications, Mantech, Raytheon, Engility, Northrup Grumman, SAIC, General Dynamics, Sotera to Leidos, I've never worked with or for any of these companies without a badge. Not only that, but the buildings I worked in required separate badging to work within those facilities.
No shit, I have three different ID cards that I wear on my person on a daily basis. A company ID card, a facility ID card and a separate ID card for the server room since I'm the Sysadmin for the building. The "fact" that employees for the largest crowdfunded project in history don't have any badging system at all is just... great!
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is great, so Monday if they do not respond to them they will start legal action. Can't wait, because once they do everyone has to put everything on the table. CR will have to open everything and we will finally see exactly what he has been working on.
I live very near to Austin, so the best news here is that employees of the company don't have ID badges. This should make for an easy tour of the facilities.
In the past 20 years of professional work life, I've never worked for a single company that didn't have a company badge. From L3 Communications, Mantech, Raytheon, Engility, Northrup Grumman, SAIC, General Dynamics, Sotera to Leidos, I've never worked with or for any of these companies without a badge. Not only that, but the buildings I worked in required separate badging to work within those facilities.
No shit, I have three different ID cards that I wear on my person on a daily basis. A company ID card, a facility ID card and a separate ID card for the server room since I'm the Sysadmin for the building. The "fact" that employees for the largest crowdfunded project in history don't have any badging system at all is just... great!
This^
I've been an electrician and network installation technician for 13 years and never once in my entire career have I ever worked on any type of office building that didn't require at least one kind of ID card to gain access to the premises.
I live very near to Austin, so the best news here is that employees of the company don't have ID badges. This should make for an easy tour of the facilities.
In the past 20 years of professional work life, I've never worked for a single company that didn't have a company badge. From L3 Communications, Mantech, Raytheon, Engility, Northrup Grumman, SAIC, General Dynamics, Sotera to Leidos, I've never worked with or for any of these companies without a badge. Not only that, but the buildings I worked in required separate badging to work within those facilities.
No shit, I have three different ID cards that I wear on my person on a daily basis. A company ID card, a facility ID card and a separate ID card for the server room since I'm the Sysadmin for the building. The "fact" that employees for the largest crowdfunded project in history don't have any badging system at all is just... great!
You're talking about Defense Department, Government funded companies developing, and working with class level restricted access, vs a Gaming Company though. I don't think we can equate the comparison.
I've worked for several IT companies with and without badges. Honestly it depends on the size of the company, amount of workers, and level of importance regarding the information it holds.
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
This isn't worth delving into in my opinion, everyone has already discussed their views on the matter. Mine will remain the same, the game is not late considering it's current scope, funding, and man power. Three years is not enough time to deliver what was agreed upon by the majority of patrons.
Others have their views that the scope should've never been altered, in my opinion those people should just get their money back and go else where, since they didn't win the vote. You are obviously getting into this a bit late, but we're talking about the people who gave roughly $6 million trying to take away the vote of the people who gave the other $90 million.
That's splitting it as the numbers are though, I'm sure there's plenty of original kickstarter backers that are perfectly fine with the change in scope. It goes all directions, all we can do is go with the popular vote.
Either way it doesn't matter to me if you want to weigh in on things you haven't read up on, and aren't involved in monetarily. Just don't be offended when your points are disputed.
The saddest thing about this is the fact that "all" recent employee's reputations of CIG have been damaged by this scam in any future career prospects. Whether it was a few disgruntled employees or not. I hope the people behind this are held accountable financially or otherwise.
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
This isn't worth delving into in my opinion, everyone has already discussed their views on the matter. Mine will remain the same, the game is not late considering it's current scope, funding, and man power. Three years is not enough time to deliver what was agreed upon by the majority of patrons.
Others have their views that the scope should've never been altered, in my opinion those people should just get their money back and go else where, since they didn't win the vote. You are obviously getting into this a bit late, but we're talking about the people who gave roughly $6 million trying to take away the vote of the people who gave the other $90 million.
That's splitting it as the numbers are though, I'm sure there's plenty of original kickstarter backers that are perfectly fine with the change in scope. It goes all directions, all we can do is go with the popular vote.
Either way it doesn't matter to me if you want to weigh in on things you haven't read up on, and aren't involved in monetarily. Just don't be offended when your points are disputed.
I have read enough threads on this forum thanks i was even reading them befoe all this started, not because i was interested in the game but because of how much money it had raised and of course that was bringing in news stories so i was hearing about it more and more so that go my interest not this argument.
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
This isn't worth delving into in my opinion, everyone has already discussed their views on the matter. Mine will remain the same, the game is not late considering it's current scope, funding, and man power. Three years is not enough time to deliver what was agreed upon by the majority of patrons.
Since the game is late according to the original KS information, your view/opinion on that is irrelevant.
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Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
This isn't worth delving into in my opinion, everyone has already discussed their views on the matter. Mine will remain the same, the game is not late considering it's current scope, funding, and man power. Three years is not enough time to deliver what was agreed upon by the majority of patrons.
Others have their views that the scope should've never been altered, in my opinion those people should just get their money back and go else where, since they didn't win the vote. You are obviously getting into this a bit late, but we're talking about the people who gave roughly $6 million trying to take away the vote of the people who gave the other $90 million.
That's splitting it as the numbers are though, I'm sure there's plenty of original kickstarter backers that are perfectly fine with the change in scope. It goes all directions, all we can do is go with the popular vote.
Either way it doesn't matter to me if you want to weigh in on things you haven't read up on, and aren't involved in monetarily. Just don't be offended when your points are disputed.
I have read enough threads on this forum thanks i was even reading them befoe all this started, not because i was interested in the game but because of how much money it had raised and of course that was bringing in news stories so i was hearing about it more and more so that go my interest not this argument.
No worry your posts will speak for themselves, on what you've read, and what you haven't.
Actually if you bother to read it, it's been updated with a letter to John Keefer, the Editing manager of The Escapist. From Ortwin Freyermuth, Vice Chairman, and General Legal Counsel for CIG.
This is what i originally wrote if you bothered too read it.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why
do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth,
if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ
roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and
they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost,
that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
This isn't worth delving into in my opinion, everyone has already discussed their views on the matter. Mine will remain the same, the game is not late considering it's current scope, funding, and man power. Three years is not enough time to deliver what was agreed upon by the majority of patrons.
Since the game is late according to the original KS information, your view/opinion on that is irrelevant.
So you want to play a 6 million dollar game, for the $90 million put in? I just can't see how people support this view point. The point is skewed as if to say people didn't agree that the game should be bigger, which they did. Whether they still hold that opinion is another matter. The point remains that CIG was acting on what the popular consensus was, and they were doing what they thought people wanted.
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I am quoting Ortwin Freyermuth, the other owner of CIG. A lawyer by profession.
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- Like how Chris Roberts defends his wife doing auditions for movies while having this important position in the company. And then he compares that to letting his employees play games during work lol. This just smells like having a trophy wife and giving her a position in your company to play with. I mean, it is not as if the position is important enough to require full commitment. right
- Then there are these insanely priced packages and prices for ships. It just makes no sense. I am not judging the people who buy those. I mean if someone wants to burn their money to light a sigar, good for you. But a company that starts selling these way before the game is anywhere near completion. That is just wrong imo.
Someone needs to hand out some reality checks I think.
without any corroboration it constitutes hearsay. They need something to connect the dots legally.
The badge however if true, that's the one that popcorn worthy.
Hang on no i will not edit my post i will put it back because this link sends me here.
That is what i responded too and it takes me straigth to a website that starts with roberts lol.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
In the letter they say they don't use badges
EDIT it's easy to miss top of page 3
If Escapist however "triples down" and stands by the words of the sources, without consideration of the accused's (CIG's) side of the story. That's when we will see legal action, and everything will come out in the open.
What they are doing now is googling the hell out of it and contacting every industry contact they have mailmen, delivery guys, and contractors they can get ahold off to verify yes/no on badge.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
In the past 20 years of professional work life, I've never worked for a single company that didn't have a company badge. From L3 Communications, Mantech, Raytheon, Engility, Northrup Grumman, SAIC, General Dynamics, Sotera to Leidos, I've never worked with or for any of these companies without a badge. Not only that, but the buildings I worked in required separate badging to work within those facilities.
No shit, I have three different ID cards that I wear on my person on a daily basis. A company ID card, a facility ID card and a separate ID card for the server room since I'm the Sysadmin for the building. The "fact" that employees for the largest crowdfunded project in history don't have any badging system at all is just... great!
This is great, so Monday if they do not respond to them they will start legal action. Can't wait, because once they do everyone has to put everything on the table. CR will have to open everything and we will finally see exactly what he has been working on.
This is what I been waiting for. :-D
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I've been an electrician and network installation technician for 13 years and never once in my entire career have I ever worked on any type of office building that didn't require at least one kind of ID card to gain access to the premises.
I've worked for several IT companies with and without badges. Honestly it depends on the size of the company, amount of workers, and level of importance regarding the information it holds.
I would wait until something happens, that is just another bunch of words.
Why do some people take what someone says over the internet the 100% truth, if you take the article, derek smart and what every responses christ roberts has too say away from the subject.
The game is late and they raised a lot more money that the original game was suppose to cost, that is why i see there could be a problem.
I am not trying to take a side, i am just saying how i see it, until someone posts some concrete evivence on here that eveything at star citizen is fine.
I just find is strange that someone can think that everything they are being told by a guy over the internet is the100% thruth. lol
Others have their views that the scope should've never been altered, in my opinion those people should just get their money back and go else where, since they didn't win the vote. You are obviously getting into this a bit late, but we're talking about the people who gave roughly $6 million trying to take away the vote of the people who gave the other $90 million.
That's splitting it as the numbers are though, I'm sure there's plenty of original kickstarter backers that are perfectly fine with the change in scope. It goes all directions, all we can do is go with the popular vote.
Either way it doesn't matter to me if you want to weigh in on things you haven't read up on, and aren't involved in monetarily. Just don't be offended when your points are disputed.
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