Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Are you for real or just pretending not to comprehend how stretch goals work ?
When a stretch goal is achieved the developer is obliged to make it happen.
Lost interest in this game a while back but this news has changed my mind once again, im still going to wait for release before I consider buying it though.
I highly recommend taking a look for yourself at Star Citizen. Explore the site, and if interested, you can sign up for free. This space epic is still under production and you can learn more at https://robertsspaceindustries....
If you like what you see, you can get 5,000 in game credits just by entering the referral code STAR-4JSD-PH4B during sign up, which can be spent on the website for weapons, ship components or decorations for your hangar. If you want a ship to fly, you will need a in game pledge package that includes a ship.
I will see you in the 'verse.
What you see on that website is a lie. There is no game, this whole charade is a scam orchestrated by CR to part people from their money.
By this point they could probably claim that your investment paid for the experience of the investment itself. I wonder if all video game development projects would be this dramatic if they were all this publicized.
I have a few friends who have thrown some bones at this kickstarter. None of them are remotely concerned with the status of the project and the drama getting flung around isn't worth their time. If people want to treat this like a real investment then I think they need to learn to be hands off and wait for the returns instead of trying to play the stock market.
Soooo... Now even Mark Hammil is in on the scam!
Shameless.
Mark Hamill
Gary Oldman
Gillian Anderson
Gollum
.....
This is an epic scam lol..
An epic scam so convoluted that they eventually release the game to rave reviews and critical success. That's when the plot will come to fruition, as they take the profits and pay themselves a competitive salary and take the entire development team out for dinner and beers.
Devious.
Ah ha! I knew it! This was the devious scam all along, to make an amazing game forcing us to spend money on it! Illuminati baaastards!!!!
If the game is pvp oriented like EVE then I'll just be buying and playing the Squadron 42 part if it's reasonably priced. I will more than likely play that part if still looks fun on release.
Long time backer here and I can assure you, there might be parts in the universe that are a bit like Eve and aiming for PVP but the universe is built that 9 of 10 encounters are NPCs. This has been said a lot of times, there will be a majority of PvE NPCs going about their business in a living universe. The game is VERY PVE oriented but offers plenty of stuff to PVP in high risk areas. People that prefer to have the Privateer type experience can have that.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Oh man now you done it, you will be attacked and kicked like a dog until you come around to the CIG way. :-D
Oh man now you done it, you will be attacked and kicked like a dog until you come around to the CIG way. :-D
Time will prove it right or wrong. The project may or may not be in jeopardy. And even if all turns out well in the end. I will still call this move a mistake. No matter what, this is expensive and the money could have better served the game elsewhere.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
On what would you base that claim that it is irresponsible? It would NEVER be irresponsible to deliver on your promises, and that is exactly what this is attempting to do. It might suck, but they said they would do this, and they are. I guess your statement is really based on the whole concept of them developing Squadron 42 while also developing Star Citizen. They are two distinct projects that share many resources but they are distinct. Maybe developing two products simultaneously is too much for them. There is significant possibility of that being true but we all knew this was the plan when we plunked down whatever we plunked down.
I have no way of knowing, nor do you I suppose, what they budgeted for Squadron 42. As I am far more interested in that portion than in the Star Citizen game itself, I really hope they pour a lot of attention into making it a true Wing Commander sequel. It might suck. Anyone who says they know for sure that it (or Star Citizen) will be great is just saying what they HOPE happens, but to claim that delivering on what they promised for the Squadron 42 product is irresponsible is equally silly IMHO.
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Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
You do realize this is a textbook straw-man right? Not only that, you've added in hyperbole to spice it up. Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
You do realize this is a textbook straw-man right? Not only that, you've added in hyperbole to spice it up. Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
Again... this is about SQUADRON 42. No idea if they have these actors in Star Citizen. No idea what the budget for Squadron 42 was or is. Do you? if not... how do you know they "overstepped it"?
I get the feeling that you think voice acting is a waste. That is a perfectly valid opinion. Other folks like it. I personally absolutely loved the old Wing Commander games. This is the entire reason I pledged. I for one am thrilled by the video they showed.
Game might absolutely stink. I have no way of knowing yet, but for me, this video showed they are developing EXACTLY what they claimed for Squadron 42 and that IMHO is a great thing.
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Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
That's not really the point. I mean yeah, OK, this is what everyone wanted. But reality is that we can't always get what we want and then even when we can, it's not without compromise. OK, so what was compromised for professional VA? I don't care when......Even back in planning. Something was cut. This is a Crowd Funded project. It's not some Corporate where, if it doesn't go right they get to do a F2P do over. Once the funds are gone, or it fails to bring the cash in, it's game over. It's the difference between SWTOR and Earthrise.
But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
That's not really the point. I mean yeah, OK, this is what everyone wanted. But reality is that we can't always get what we want and then even when we can, it's not without compromise. OK, so what was compromised for professional VA? I don't care when......Even back in planning. Something was cut. This is a Crowd Funded project. It's not some Corporate where, if it doesn't go right they get to do a F2P do over. Once the funds are gone, or it fails to bring the cash in, it's game over. It's the difference between SWTOR and Earthrise.
But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
Respectfully geezer I think this is where you are wrong. Nothing was cut, it was added to, stretch goal by stretch goal.
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Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
That's not really the point. I mean yeah, OK, this is what everyone wanted. But reality is that we can't always get what we want and then even when we can, it's not without compromise. OK, so what was compromised for professional VA? I don't care when......Even back in planning. Something was cut. This is a Crowd Funded project. It's not some Corporate where, if it doesn't go right they get to do a F2P do over. Once the funds are gone, or it fails to bring the cash in, it's game over. It's the difference between SWTOR and Earthrise.
But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
Respectfully geezer I think this is where you are wrong. Nothing was cut, it was added to, stretch goal by stretch goal.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
That's not really the point. I mean yeah, OK, this is what everyone wanted. But reality is that we can't always get what we want and then even when we can, it's not without compromise. OK, so what was compromised for professional VA? I don't care when......Even back in planning. Something was cut. This is a Crowd Funded project. It's not some Corporate where, if it doesn't go right they get to do a F2P do over. Once the funds are gone, or it fails to bring the cash in, it's game over. It's the difference between SWTOR and Earthrise.
But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
Respectfully geezer I think this is where you are wrong. Nothing was cut, it was added to, stretch goal by stretch goal.
Rather oblivious post there. There are tons of out of work actors who could have done just as good if not a better job at the VA. The project is completely out of financial control. Perfect example of what happened to 38 studios. If you expect a game to come out of this fiasco you need to stop dreaming. This studio will crash and burn before the year is out.
Perfect example of why a good designer should never ever also have the fiscal controls. Such a shame too, it might have been a good game to play.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
You do realize this is a textbook straw-man right? Not only that, you've added in hyperbole to spice it up. Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
Well I don't want to seem like I'm gunning for you or anything, but his reply is not a "textbook strawman" which by definition would be to misrepresent your argument (put words in your mouth). All he did was express a point albeit sarcastically, but the point is the stretch goal for Hollywood actors was long before even the change in scope to the overall game.
There would have been Hollywood actors even if the game turned out to be only Squadron 42. It's practically an expectation for a game by Roberts. So to say it's irresponsible, would be ignoring the fact it was promised. Is it expensive? Sure, but does that make it irresponsible even if it was budgeted for? I can't say it does.
I think your point is fair that things need to be sacrificed in order to get it done. With that I'd say we might have seen what it was yesterday at CitizenCon. The sacrifice being the game is taking longer than expected, it had it's 3 year anniversary yesterday. That being said though, they have announced we will have alpha 2.0 which will be a scaled down in size version of what's to come. While we play that, the other star systems will continue development. So they have essentially given in to the impatient crowd.
Edit: The alpha 2.0 for clarification was promised to be a true alpha with all the core mechanics available in one playable portion. Missions, PvP, Planet Systems, Economy, Flight, FPS.
Question: What the hell does big name actors have to do with making a good game? It could be no name actors for all I care..when game comes out all that will matter is if it's good or not. good actors in bad game is still a bad game.
I think the star citizens voted for this. rsi is just listening to the community.
Actually they didn't vote for this. But trying to change history seems to be the name of the game in CIG land.
You good Sir are liar and a detractor. Celebrity actors were : 1: always part of Wing Commander - Mark Hamill, John Ryhs Davis, Malcolm McDowell and others were in previous Wing Commander games since the 90ies.
2: It was a very early stretch goal achieved 17/11/2012 during the orginal campaign. 4,5 million $ - : Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
hate on.
But really is it worth the cost? I can see using 1 or 2 from the original WC but why waste money on actors you really don't need. You could end up using people within the company. I just don't get the waste of money on it.
Because we asked for it.
Based on the years I have been around this genre, I can say that this isn't always a good thing. Putting in one expensive feature (On a crowd funded project no less) means making cuts and sacrifices elsewhere. The problem is that you have no idea what those are (at least in total) or what the true trade off will be.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
Well I suppose it's a good thing that the actor budget was one of the earliest stretch goals, as it's been a staple of Chris Roberts' games since the 90's.
That's not really the point. I mean yeah, OK, this is what everyone wanted. But reality is that we can't always get what we want and then even when we can, it's not without compromise. OK, so what was compromised for professional VA? I don't care when......Even back in planning. Something was cut. This is a Crowd Funded project. It's not some Corporate where, if it doesn't go right they get to do a F2P do over. Once the funds are gone, or it fails to bring the cash in, it's game over. It's the difference between SWTOR and Earthrise.
But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
Respectfully geezer I think this is where you are wrong. Nothing was cut, it was added to, stretch goal by stretch goal.
Rather oblivious post there. There are tons of out of work actors who could have done just as good if not a better job at the VA. The project is completely out of financial control. Perfect example of what happened to 38 studios. If you expect a game to come out of this fiasco you need to stop dreaming. This studio will crash and burn before the year is out.
Perfect example of why a good designer should never ever also have the fiscal controls. Such a shame too, it might have been a good game to play.
Everything is speculation, you may very well be correct. But there is a very big difference between your correlation of 38 studios and CIG and that is debt. As far as we know, CIG has none.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
You do realize this is a textbook straw-man right? Not only that, you've added in hyperbole to spice it up. Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
Clearly you don´t even understand what a strawman argument is. Stop using terms you don´t understand. No. What I posted is a textbook destruction of your kindergarten question if celebrity motion capturing and voiceacting in video games pays off or not. News@11, it does. Guess why EA advertised COD Advanced Warfare with Kevin Spacey. Because they didn´t listen to GeezerGamer´s incredibly insightful posts on some forum? Who are you, again? What are your credentials which are supposed to give weight to your outlandish opinions?
Can you go into more detail on how CIG secured a $75 million loan guarantee from Rhode Island tax payers money from that state's Economic Development Corporation (EDC) ... or anything similar from any other state ?
Just trying to understand where the similarity to 38 studios is.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
then why don´t you travel back in time to November 2012 and tell them not to put up a celebrity actor stretch goal in their campaign?
Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
You do realize this is a textbook straw-man right? Not only that, you've added in hyperbole to spice it up. Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
Well I don't want to seem like I'm gunning for you or anything, but his reply is not a "textbook strawman" which by definition would be to misrepresent your argument (put words in your mouth). All he did was express a point albeit sarcastically, but the point is the stretch goal for Hollywood actors was long before even the change in scope to the overall game.
There would have been Hollywood actors even if the game turned out to be only Squadron 42. It's practically an expectation for a game by Roberts. So to say it's irresponsible, would be ignoring the fact it was promised. Is it expensive? Sure, but does that make it irresponsible even if it was budgeted for? I can't say it does.
I think your point is fair that things need to be sacrificed in order to get it done. With that I'd say we might have seen what it was yesterday at CitizenCon. The sacrifice being the game is taking longer than expected, it had it's 3 year anniversary yesterday. That being said though, they have announced we will have alpha 2.0 which will be a scaled down in size version of what's to come. While we play that, the other star systems will continue development. So they have essentially given in to the impatient crowd.
Edit: The alpha 2.0 for clarification was promised to be a true alpha with all the core mechanics available in one playable portion. Missions, PvP, Planet Systems, Economy, Flight, FPS.
Actually, it is. A strwaman is more of a switch argument where you alter the point and make the argument about something you can win but wasn't part of the initial topic.. Now,I don't want to get into semantics over what defines an argument. If I mislabeled it,then I'll stand corrected. But his argument as well as everyone else's on this page have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not CIG had any business even considering Mark Hamill to begin with. The second CR uttered the words......"You know what?........Mark Hamill would be awesome" Someone should have slapped him. Because even back then, putting that in as a Stretch Goal, means something else was dropped.
Look at SWTOR. You can't tell me that the reason the game was launched incomplete and with one of the shortest player retention rates a month later, was due to BW over spending on VA. But EA was invested in Star Wars. They weren't about to let that go. Who's going to bail CIG if that doesn't go well? You?
The very idea in a crowd funded project should never even have been entertained.
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When a stretch goal is achieved the developer is obliged to make it happen.
I have a few friends who have thrown some bones at this kickstarter. None of them are remotely concerned with the status of the project and the drama getting flung around isn't worth their time. If people want to treat this like a real investment then I think they need to learn to be hands off and wait for the returns instead of trying to play the stock market.
The game is VERY PVE oriented but offers plenty of stuff to PVP in high risk areas.
People that prefer to have the Privateer type experience can have that.
Just because you (collectively) wanted it, doesn't mean it shows any kind of financial responsibility over this project. As I have said before, I have no horse in this race. But to me.......This is truly irresponsible on behalf of CIG.
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I have no way of knowing, nor do you I suppose, what they budgeted for Squadron 42. As I am far more interested in that portion than in the Star Citizen game itself, I really hope they pour a lot of attention into making it a true Wing Commander sequel. It might suck. Anyone who says they know for sure that it (or Star Citizen) will be great is just saying what they HOPE happens, but to claim that delivering on what they promised for the Squadron 42 product is irresponsible is equally silly IMHO.
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Or even better, travel back further to 199x and tell Chris Roberts he better not hire celebrity actors for the entire Wing Commander game series that sold millions of copies.
Maybe go tell JJ Abrams he shouldn´t hire Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill in the new Star Wars parts, because there are cheaper options like soap opera actors.
Your argument has ZERO to do with whether or not CIG overstepped their budget for SC.......Not one thing.
I get the feeling that you think voice acting is a waste. That is a perfectly valid opinion. Other folks like it. I personally absolutely loved the old Wing Commander games. This is the entire reason I pledged. I for one am thrilled by the video they showed.
Game might absolutely stink. I have no way of knowing yet, but for me, this video showed they are developing EXACTLY what they claimed for Squadron 42 and that IMHO is a great thing.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
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But hey, I do get it. It's the difference between crappy VA vs. quality content. But my guess is that this probably should have been axed during the earlier brainstorming sessions. Regardless of who wanted it.
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Perfect example of why a good designer should never ever also have the fiscal controls. Such a shame too, it might have been a good game to play.
There would have been Hollywood actors even if the game turned out to be only Squadron 42. It's practically an expectation for a game by Roberts. So to say it's irresponsible, would be ignoring the fact it was promised. Is it expensive? Sure, but does that make it irresponsible even if it was budgeted for? I can't say it does.
I think your point is fair that things need to be sacrificed in order to get it done. With that I'd say we might have seen what it was yesterday at CitizenCon. The sacrifice being the game is taking longer than expected, it had it's 3 year anniversary yesterday. That being said though, they have announced we will have alpha 2.0 which will be a scaled down in size version of what's to come. While we play that, the other star systems will continue development. So they have essentially given in to the impatient crowd.
Edit: The alpha 2.0 for clarification was promised to be a true alpha with all the core mechanics available in one playable portion. Missions, PvP, Planet Systems, Economy, Flight, FPS.
Everything is speculation, you may very well be correct. But there is a very big difference between your correlation of 38 studios and CIG and that is debt. As far as we know, CIG has none.
Debt, interest and payments are a huge factor.
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Just trying to understand where the similarity to 38 studios is.
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Look at SWTOR. You can't tell me that the reason the game was launched incomplete and with one of the shortest player retention rates a month later, was due to BW over spending on VA. But EA was invested in Star Wars. They weren't about to let that go. Who's going to bail CIG if that doesn't go well? You?
The very idea in a crowd funded project should never even have been entertained.