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SteamOS machines and Linux desktops are sliding into irrelevance.

KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
edited March 2016 in Hardware


http://www.pcworld.com/article/3040719/linux/linux-usage-on-steam-continues-to-fall.html

Steam machines haven’t stopped the slide

The evidence comes from Valve’s Steam Hardware Survey. It reveals that machines running Linux—including SteamOS—were at 0.91 percent in February 2016, a drop of 0.04 percent from January.

This is actually part of a long, slow downward slide. Linux has been hovering around 1 percent for a while, and it’s dropping further.


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  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Out of curiousity, if Linux is so irrelevant why even bother posting about it?
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited March 2016
    Out of curiousity, if Linux is so irrelevant why even bother posting about it?
    Well, they're PC world, they post about PC.

    As for reposting it, same reason some post about VR and don't think it's going to be very relevant either. It's fun to see where the market is going or isn't going.
  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 573
    Could it be the user friendlyness that isn't quite there when compared with Windows. Also Windows gaming has a larger and more established base in the Dev and user area.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    vulkan API

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited March 2016
    Jamar870 said:
    Could it be the user friendlyness that isn't quite there when compared with Windows. Also Windows gaming has a larger and more established base in the Dev and user area.
    Pretty much, it's confusing to people. Too many distros, too many options. Not familiar, not user friendly.

    Second problem is not enough software and games.

    Third problem is lack of driver support. People want their hardware to work flawlessly. That means video cards, gaming mice, smartphones, cameras, etc.


    In fact, OS that aren't Linux, like ReactOS are becoming more popular than Linux. Linux is sliding into 4th place instead of 3rd in my opinion.






  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    Jamar870 said:
    Could it be the user friendlyness that isn't quite there when compared with Windows. Also Windows gaming has a larger and more established base in the Dev and user area.
    Pretty much, it's confusing to people. Too many distros, too many options. Not familiar, not user friendly.

    Second problem is not enough software and games.

    Third problem is lack of driver support. People want their hardware to work flawlessly. That means video cards, gaming mice, smartphones, cameras, etc.


    In fact, OS that aren't Linux, like ReactOS are becoming more popular than Linux. Linux is sliding into 4th place instead of 3rd in my opinion.
    The problem with Steam Machines is no adoption of Vulkan API yet.

    options? get used to it. No longer are the days of the consumer where you had no options. Options are what people want. The whole 'too many options' also comes off as PR speak from those who dont offer options.

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Every once in awhile I'll install dual booting on my laptop to see how Linux is doing for home pc's.  I usually play around with it for awhile then uninstall.  It's slowly getting better over the years but can't compete with a windows system for variety of software.  

    IMO they would have to sale at a big price cut before it became really mainstream for home pc use.  People who just need a pc for email and web browsing wouldn't use it because they can do that on tablets  and cellphones now which have an advantage of being portable.  

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  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    The moment they make it possible to install and play games plus regular software packages I use on Windows without problems is the moment I switch to Linux.

    I grew tired of constant tweaking and graphical glitches/crashes plus content I couldnt use in some games when I was using Wine and Playonlinux etc.

    Especially in MMO's every patch ~even the <100kb size patches~ I had to tweak Wine again for ages to make the game playable. 1-2d later: new patch...same old thing.

    Also my video editing and CAD software had huge problems running stable in Mint/Ubuntu.

    But if you are just using social media/email/office software, there's no better OS.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Kiyoris said:
    Out of curiousity, if Linux is so irrelevant why even bother posting about it?
    Well, they're PC world, they post about PC.

    As for reposting it, same reason some post about VR and don't think it's going to be very relevant either. It's fun to see where the market is going or isn't going.
    His question wasn't so much why does PC world post about is as why do you post about it.  You're not PC world.  Are you?
  • SquishydewSquishydew Member UncommonPosts: 1,107
    I really want to swap away from windows.. But theres just not enough support on other platforms.
    And if the userbase isn't big enough, those platforms probably wont get much more support so ehm.. well.. not sure how thats going to work out.
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  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    LOL, desktop computers are becoming irrelevant...  Welcome to the mobile world in which smart phones are taking over.
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    I got the feeling from the start that Steam Machines were targeting at console gamers to try to lure them to PC /  Steam platform ( $$$ ). The problem is that brand loyalty plays a pretty big part in the purchase choice of console gamers. That is a tough nut to crack.

    PC gamers really have little use for it.

    There is a reason Valve distanced themselves from making the systems like they had planned and just licensed out the OS instead. That way they wont be on the sinking ship but on the life boat collecting licensing fees. I feel sorry for those companies that jumped on the bandwagon to make these machines.
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    edited March 2016
    I still see linux will grow but not the way people think then more that people end up dual booting windows and linux until most there games are working fine on linux and more games getting ported there. Pretty sure valve knows this that linux will not take off in a few months it will take years of work, and yes windows still being around and the top dog for a very long time but not windows 10 when windows 7 still have mass the market share.

    Only part if mircosoft better not keep messing up what there doing with windows 10, that mass of market share on the windows 7 user may see linux OS a option if newer games keep coming to it.

    Time will tell no one knows how this will turn out.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited March 2016
    Pepeq said:
    LOL, desktop computers are becoming irrelevant...  Welcome to the mobile world in which smart phones are taking over.
    Some of us use computers to do real work, not just texting and web browsing.  For doing real computer work, there is no substitute for a real desktop computer (preferably with multiple monitors), nor is there any plausible substitute on the horizon.  Even laptops aren't a serious option, let alone phones.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Last time I read anything on Steam Machines, they still had to use an added emulation layer to translate DirectX. Yes, it was like WINE but made efficient specifically for (and only for) DX, but it's still an extra layer. So if there are any overall performance gains using Linux over Windows, those gains are eaten into by this layer. Also, no matter how good Linux is, Proprietary support for AMD and NVIDIA sucks.

    So the question becomes...........Why SteamOS?
  • noodles6966noodles6966 Member UncommonPosts: 63
    I bought an Alienware Alpha about 5 months ago and I love it.I can run almost all games on ultra or highest setting. But, when I bought it, it already came with windows 7,so I upgraded to windows 10. It's basically a steam machine with windows instead
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    of course gaming on Linux through steam is small, about 90% of Linux game on the steam store are trash. Valve is doing quantity over quality with Linux/SteamOS. They should be doing the opposite.




  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    about 90% of Linux game on the steam store are trash.
    More than a few people would say the same about Windows games.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited March 2016
    Quizzical said:
    about 90% of Linux game on the steam store are trash.
    More than a few people would say the same about Windows games.
    Yes but the number of good games that run natively on Windows is still huge compared to Linux. Ever since i tried Ubuntu and Fedora for the first time i've preferred those distributions over Windows, but gaming is the only reason im stuck with Windows.




  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Last time I read anything on Steam Machines, they still had to use an added emulation layer to translate DirectX. Yes, it was like WINE but made efficient specifically for (and only for) DX, but it's still an extra layer. So if there are any overall performance gains using Linux over Windows, those gains are eaten into by this layer. Also, no matter how good Linux is, Proprietary support for AMD and NVIDIA sucks.

    So the question becomes...........Why SteamOS?
    SteamOS just make gaming abit easy in the living room over windows due to SteamOS more console like then windows. When someone try to play anything thing on windows even with big picture mode and still going need a keyboard and mouse due to alot program on windows take you out big picture just to play some games that don't work well with controller just to get it to run the game.

    SteamOS was not a replacement over windows but the big plan was to get more games made over to linux so windows don't have a big market hold on gaming. They are a few games that are emulation shell but they don't run 100% well over then games that fully ported well over to linux.

    ATM Nvidia haves been putting more work on drivers then AMD on linux.


  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    I wonder what the margin of error is on those statistics.

    Probably more than 0.04%
  • DarkHighDarkHigh Member UncommonPosts: 157
    I'm just dying laughing at the people saying linux is irrelevant and linux is dying. First off Linux is a kernel not an OS - Ubuntu, CentOS, ReactOS, Linux Mint, Debian, Fedora those are operating systems that are built on the linux kernel. In the realm of gaming linux based operating systems aren't really ready for prime time because most of them don't care about gaming. These are desktop operating systems that are good for a multitude of  reasons. They have server distros that you interact with everyday in some form or another. Linux is doing great, and it will only get better. If you are trying to game on Ubuntu which some of you probably are try using PlayOnLinux. I've played several MMOs on Ubuntu 14.04 using playonlinux and gotten 45-60 fps doing it. 
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195
    DarkHigh said:
    I'm just dying laughing at the people saying linux is irrelevant and linux is dying. First off Linux is a kernel not an OS - Ubuntu, CentOS, ReactOS, Linux Mint, Debian, Fedora those are operating systems that are built on the linux kernel. In the realm of gaming linux based operating systems aren't really ready for prime time because most of them don't care about gaming. These are desktop operating systems that are good for a multitude of  reasons. They have server distros that you interact with everyday in some form or another. Linux is doing great, and it will only get better. If you are trying to game on Ubuntu which some of you probably are try using PlayOnLinux. I've played several MMOs on Ubuntu 14.04 using playonlinux and gotten 45-60 fps doing it. 
    Linux has its uses, gaming just isn't one of them.  



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