I can't front, I'm glad I'm finding out about this now. I'd be irate if I B2P and this is the case. It's the principle man. If they're doing this, WTF else do they have up their sleeves? #PASS.
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As much as I'd enjoy giving BDO a try, I will likely never buy it because I feel supporting this game with their overpriced cash shop on top of buying the game initially is just wrong. Especially if they're hiding the majority of gear looks and customization behind that huge paywall so the base game doesn't feel very rewarding, as many seem to be suggesting.
I kept reading about this "overpriced cash shop" and yesterday i asked a streamer to be so kind and take me on a tour through the shop. Character slots, inventory space, convenient stuff was all coming at relatively reasonable prices. Blizzard is charging way more for some of these items. Let's not forget that there is also loyalties as a currency which unlike pearls you don't have to buy on first place but get for logging in.
I guess many people just jumped on the costume price bandwagon without further looking into it.
Let's not even get on to the fact that these cash shop items give in game advantage too. Arguably quite significant. I refunded as I found that unacceptable in a game that has competitive PvP as an end game element.
Incidentaly you you can refund (certainly in th EU and I suspect in the US) it is a statutory consumer right (the beta waiver can no more take this right away than it can force you to give up your unborn children). Anyway that is a topic for another thread, just a PSA.
What is the in game advantage that you can get from the cash shop. I thought it was only cosmetic.
You can get + 30% exp from costumes and pets. The post 50 levels are a massive grind many many hours coupled with death penalties it is a pretty big advantage (Just not so much early game). There is also a costume that hides your name which makes it easier to hide to get the drop on other players. Pets are my biggest gripe you get a lot more loot/time spent with (cash shop) pets.
30%?! Holy cow. I knew about the 10% from a costume, but didn't know pets could give xp bonus too...
Combined with the fact that pets loot for you, at endgame when you're really good at grinding and wiping out tons of mobs constantly, I'd imagine people with that 30% bonus with 3 pets would be leveling 50% faster than someone with no pets or costume because they never have to stop to loot.
The fact that you can get one lousy pet for free after paying the game for 208 days is kind of a slap in the face. In 2 1/2 years you'd have as many pets as someone that bought them from the shop, in a B2P game, assuming you never used the loyalty shop for things like random chances at a dye you wanted.
I don't know, maybe I am hating on the game now. I really don't mean to since it is amazing in a lot of ways and I support the concept behind it 100%. This payment model is just totally bogus, however.
If they wanted to go with the idea some here are promoting that the game costs more because it's better quality- OK, and you may be right, but be legit about it. Make it cost more upfront and not have it nickle and dime you on top of a box price. That kind of payment model just irks me to no end.
No, they were complaining stating that you looked the same no matter what. They were claiming the only way to change your armors looks was to buy it from the Pearl Shop, and as people pointed out that is not true.
You can dye your armor and you can make your own that does change the looks. Plus what you loot can change the looks little by little.
I at lvl 20 looked EXACTLY the same as my lvl 50 friend (head(none), chest, hands, feet, sword and shield) when he didn't show his costume. There is maybe 4 variations in armor, each with a bit more plate than the last, as a warrior anyway. Female classes seems to have more customization in general. So they might have more.
Read Noxeron's response above - that's exactly what players are complaining about - the change is so slight that to many it looks the same.
Again to me - this absolutely doesn't matter because I don't care how my character looks like at all - but to many it does.
Good responses. I do like variety and if the only way to change your armor look is buy buying things in the cash shop I think the Dev might find they will lose potential buyers of the game. This is just my opinion, but this reminds me of Spirit airlines. After you buy your ticket you get nickel and dimed. Some have no issue with it, but I avoid those type of company strategies to bring revenue in.
No, they were complaining stating that you looked the same no matter what. They were claiming the only way to change your armors looks was to buy it from the Pearl Shop, and as people pointed out that is not true.
You can dye your armor and you can make your own that does change the looks. Plus what you loot can change the looks little by little.
I at lvl 20 looked EXACTLY the same as my lvl 50 friend (head(none), chest, hands, feet, sword and shield) when he didn't show his costume. There is maybe 4 variations in armor, each with a bit more plate than the last, as a warrior anyway. Female classes seems to have more customization in general. So they might have more.
Read Noxeron's response above - that's exactly what players are complaining about - the change is so slight that to many it looks the same.
Again to me - this absolutely doesn't matter because I don't care how my character looks like at all - but to many it does.
Good responses. I do like variety and if the only way to change your armor look is buy buying things in the cash shop I think the Dev might find they will lose potential buyers of the game. This is just my opinion, but this reminds me of Spirit airlines. After you buy your ticket you get nickel and dimed. Some have no issue with it, but I avoid those type of company strategies to bring revenue in.
Gorilla I see nothing where pets give you +EXP%. I am not sure where you are getting this information, but I am not finding where pets give +EXP%. I could be wrong about this, but I am just not seeing this in game or browsing the web about BDO pets.
Gorilla I see nothing where pets give you +EXP%. I am not sure where you are getting this information, but I am not finding where pets give +EXP%. I could be wrong about this, but I am just not seeing this in game or browsing the web about BDO pets.
So whose fault is that. You buy a game and don't even bother to check anything . Just go off like a rocket and in a tizzy without even getting all your facts right. So it was all nothing he could have gotten costumes and colour changes.
This is really an attempt to discredit a game on ignorance. The point is the OP is completely wrong about what he is saying as evidenced here by others pointing out what they can do.They have collected costumes and dyed their armour.
Really disappointed in the way people treat some games. They never even bother to give it a chance just look for anything to get mad about and quit.
The worst part about this is that there are posters in this thread that know better, such as DMKano, who are repeating this information as fact, even though they have been playing the game for a good long while and know better. They've had plenty of opportunity to dismiss this information as false on this thread but have decided instead to keep quiet and mislead players into believing this falsehood to the extent that some are even threatening not to play the game. This type of underhanded deception is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. How can these posters credibility ever be trusted on this board when they stoop to such low standards of reporting just to derail the popularity of a game they do not like.
Almost every time I've seen this sentiment expressed it bit someone in the ass.
Hey! Game's not for everyone, Good, get out! Hey! Game's not for everyone, I'm glad you won't be in my game! Hey! Game's not for everyone, Player base is better off without the "whiners"! Hey! Game's not for everyone, See ya! Hey! Game's not for everyone, Can I have your stuff? Hey! Where'd everbody go?
Ah, hmm, according to that you could get up to 15% from pets. So with the costume that's 25%. Pretty substantial, but I believe it would cost a lot of money to get that since you'd most likely have to buy a shitton of pets to get the exact 3/5/7% combat experience combination.
How comes people are not complaining about the outfitting system? It's absolutely awful and unacceptable for any character to look like a peasant all the way to 50 and then too unless they pay for cash shop outfits.
I start , I do my killing quests out in the field and loot a helm only to find out it doesn't display even though I have checked Head Part in the inventory menu. I go on the forums, ask whether that's a bug or not ,only to be told that unless it's cash shop armor, it won't be displayed on your character.
I like the simple armour designs and whatnot but wearing the same rags forever is not cool.
This might be too much of a restriction even for a f2p game let alone a b2p game.
You only have yourself to blame for purchasing the game. With how much information has been out there on the game, due to those of us who played on foreign servers (because - truthfully - Daum LET US play on their servers, knowing we were all there and not IP Blocking us until NA/EU release), there is simply no excuse to have purchased Black Desert for NA/EU without knowing exactly if this game was for you or not.
We've all known for a very long time how the gearing, costuming, and dye systems work in this game and it's been very well documented all over the internet for a very long time. But nobody complained loud enough about it because the niche audience this game is truly built for, doesn't care enough as much as they care about game play elements they have complained about. And that niche audience are the only ones who have paid any attention to this game the past few years, and they're the only ones who've supplied information to folks like you, and complained loudly and in great detail to both Pearl Abyss and Daum EU over the past few years, getting them to change a lot of important parts of the game.
So personally I don't feel bad one bit about people like you who go blindly into a game that both the developer and the publisher have opened up to us for years to figure out every detail about the game. There is simply no excuse.
There are no secrets about this game, they've let us figure all of it out. If you bought it without knowing what the game was, that's your fault. Certainly not Daum or Pearl Abyss, because they've done everything they can to ensure the fans get all the information out there. Legacy's accidentally leaked Bible is a great example of that. This is not one of those games that comes to the West where nobody knows anything. You have no legs to stand on with this argument other than your own laziness.
The game is not bad, it's actually pretty good, and they've even managed to make it both bot and P2W free (which is not a surprise to anyone whose actually paid attention). The simple fact is you're simply not the target audience, and that's ok (neither am I). Next time perhaps you'll read a bit more before throwing money at your screen.
So from what I've seen all the armor fits into a light, medium, or heavy class. Each class of armor looks similar with some minor alterations. There is also a very detailed dye system you can use to further customize your gear. Different armor models should definitely be included in the game, but it's a complete lie to say every piece of armor looks the same.
There are also a few craftable armors for each profession which are worn for bonuses. The text on them says they can be converted into a costume and will keep the profession bouses in addition to gaining a speed boost. I haven't looked into the process for converting them and I'm not even certain it's availble atm, but it appears the option is there.. Or will be eventually.
Im not fond of outfit systems in general, but black deserts could definitely use some localization. If they're intent on using outfits they should probably be available as rare drops or from achievements. Things like the inventory/warehouse space or additional character slots are enough incentive to make cash shop purchases.
That said the pros easily outweigh the cons at the moment. Daum has a solid start to their game, hopefully they don't screw it up. A couple more bad cash shop moves and BDO could easily become Archeage 2.0. I guess they did remove the fishing boat/wagon that came with the respective skin in beta... That definitely hurt sales on those skins considering how long it will take most people to farm a fishing boat.
They are complaining because cosmetic items are ONLY in the cash shop and no where else which is a first.
First for a B2P MMO. Marvel Heroes got a lot of criticism for being an ARPG in which the gear you wear doesn't affect how you look. Only costumes do and the only way to guarantee you get the exact look you want is to spend money (unless the default costume is what you want). I like and still play MH, but it's a legit criticism even if it is a F2P game.
I personally wouldn't pay box price for an MMO that locks all cosmetic changes behind a cash wall. Even GW2 had the sense not to do such a thing. Everything I see about the BDO screams F2P cash shop pricing and model.
They took the whole "cash-shops should be only cosmetics" to the heart and came up with a solution to force people buy expensive cosmetics. This indeed lacks insight. They should do what TSW has done. Many ingame options, plus somehow looking better customs on the shop. And make it way cheaper. For the same amount a customer should be able to buy a wardrobe, players will be happier and it's not like you're losing anything here. If you want cosmetic whales extend your selection, don't overcharge what you have, it's not like your customs are brand! Besides that, love the game.
@DMKano you're not allowed to like Archeage and criticize any other game about anything! The offspring of the marriage of rationalization and freedom of speech is an ugly child apparently
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I mean ... I'm not happy about it, but its not a reason to dislike the game or quit. Its not a game breaking bug that renders me unable to play. Some people are just looking for any insignificant or petty reason to hate the game, if this was such a big deal you should have researched before you bought the game. Oh well, good riddance.
The game costs only 30 dollars and there is no subscription. There is an insane amount of content even without the Valencia patch. But you still found an issue to complain about. The cash shop is convenience and cosmetic only, They need to make money somehow. Honestly I am glad that whiners like you are filtered really quick out of the game. Some kids are spoiled and think they deserve everything for free.
In order for pets to give bonus exp you need to breed them together to get higher tiers. I think it's tier 3 you need. So you need to breed together 4 tier 1 pets for one tier 3 pet. Expensive shit..
If this is the worse thing about this game then they have done quite a good job. Treat it like a subscription game and pay for an outfit every now and then. Is that so hard ?
Wow... This amount of rationalisation is staggering
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Character slots, inventory space, convenient stuff was all coming at relatively reasonable prices. Blizzard is charging way more for some of these items. Let's not forget that there is also loyalties as a currency which unlike pearls you don't have to buy on first place but get for logging in.
I guess many people just jumped on the costume price bandwagon without further looking into it.
Combined with the fact that pets loot for you, at endgame when you're really good at grinding and wiping out tons of mobs constantly, I'd imagine people with that 30% bonus with 3 pets would be leveling 50% faster than someone with no pets or costume because they never have to stop to loot.
The fact that you can get one lousy pet for free after paying the game for 208 days is kind of a slap in the face. In 2 1/2 years you'd have as many pets as someone that bought them from the shop, in a B2P game, assuming you never used the loyalty shop for things like random chances at a dye you wanted.
I don't know, maybe I am hating on the game now. I really don't mean to since it is amazing in a lot of ways and I support the concept behind it 100%. This payment model is just totally bogus, however.
If they wanted to go with the idea some here are promoting that the game costs more because it's better quality- OK, and you may be right, but be legit about it. Make it cost more upfront and not have it nickle and dime you on top of a box price. That kind of payment model just irks me to no end.
Hey! Game's not for everyone, Good, get out!
Hey! Game's not for everyone, I'm glad you won't be in my game!
Hey! Game's not for everyone, Player base is better off without the "whiners"!
Hey! Game's not for everyone, See ya!
Hey! Game's not for everyone, Can I have your stuff?
Hey! Where'd everbody go?
http://blackdesertfoundry.com/2016/01/22/pets-guide/
We've all known for a very long time how the gearing, costuming, and dye systems work in this game and it's been very well documented all over the internet for a very long time. But nobody complained loud enough about it because the niche audience this game is truly built for, doesn't care enough as much as they care about game play elements they have complained about. And that niche audience are the only ones who have paid any attention to this game the past few years, and they're the only ones who've supplied information to folks like you, and complained loudly and in great detail to both Pearl Abyss and Daum EU over the past few years, getting them to change a lot of important parts of the game.
So personally I don't feel bad one bit about people like you who go blindly into a game that both the developer and the publisher have opened up to us for years to figure out every detail about the game. There is simply no excuse.
There are no secrets about this game, they've let us figure all of it out. If you bought it without knowing what the game was, that's your fault. Certainly not Daum or Pearl Abyss, because they've done everything they can to ensure the fans get all the information out there. Legacy's accidentally leaked Bible is a great example of that. This is not one of those games that comes to the West where nobody knows anything. You have no legs to stand on with this argument other than your own laziness.
The game is not bad, it's actually pretty good, and they've even managed to make it both bot and P2W free (which is not a surprise to anyone whose actually paid attention). The simple fact is you're simply not the target audience, and that's ok (neither am I). Next time perhaps you'll read a bit more before throwing money at your screen.
There are also a few craftable armors for each profession which are worn for bonuses. The text on them says they can be converted into a costume and will keep the profession bouses in addition to gaining a speed boost. I haven't looked into the process for converting them and I'm not even certain it's availble atm, but it appears the option is there.. Or will be eventually.
Im not fond of outfit systems in general, but black deserts could definitely use some localization. If they're intent on using outfits they should probably be available as rare drops or from achievements. Things like the inventory/warehouse space or additional character slots are enough incentive to make cash shop purchases.
That said the pros easily outweigh the cons at the moment. Daum has a solid start to their game, hopefully they don't screw it up. A couple more bad cash shop moves and BDO could easily become Archeage 2.0. I guess they did remove the fishing boat/wagon that came with the respective skin in beta... That definitely hurt sales on those skins considering how long it will take most people to farm a fishing boat.
I personally wouldn't pay box price for an MMO that locks all cosmetic changes behind a cash wall. Even GW2 had the sense not to do such a thing. Everything I see about the BDO screams F2P cash shop pricing and model.
They should do what TSW has done. Many ingame options, plus somehow looking better customs on the shop. And make it way cheaper. For the same amount a customer should be able to buy a wardrobe, players will be happier and it's not like you're losing anything here.
If you want cosmetic whales extend your selection, don't overcharge what you have, it's not like your customs are brand!
Besides that, love the game.
@DMKano you're not allowed to like Archeage and criticize any other game about anything! The offspring of the marriage of rationalization and freedom of speech is an ugly child apparently
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Wow... This amount of rationalisation is staggering