Ok, you are actually first to talk about this. Combined with outrages prices that are reported in shop. Its virtually extortion, fitting very immoral F2P. But certainly not B2P title
Glad i didnt buy it.
I only dont understand why nobody that buy and play game didnt deem its worth to talk about it or warn others.
Because the new trend of MMORPG Fanboys is to overhype the game because they want something to play that has a healthy population. Even if they see obvious "bad" in the game, there's little chance most of them will point it out because they don't want to disparage the game.
This trend is growing stronger. You see it heavily done in the newer generation of games out there, like PoE and ESO.
The problem with your statement is, well..... it is just completely made up in your mind, with no fact back anything up.
Sure people want to play games with healthy pops. This is why they all get together on Sunday mornings before church to make everyone swear not say anything disparaging about the game. You are also required to purchase an "IAMA" insert game here"FANBOI" T-shirt before you can be sworn in.
And anyone who says that these people simply enjoy the game enough to want to play it despite some flaws they may have noticed, is absolutely delusional.
Imagine, playing a game and not rushing to a forum to highlight all of its flaws!! What has become of gaming culture today??
Sacrilege!
That's exactly what's wrong with today's generation... they don't want to know the good things about the game, they want to hear what's bad about the game. Even if the game has tons of positive aspects, only that 1 little flaw will be enough for them to focus on it and bash the game entirely based on that flaw ignoring all the positive aspects of it... jeez what has happened to the gaming community
I dont see the hate about the costumes, what keeps myself off this game is that first, you need to pay to play and second you need to pay again to increase your inventory and again to increase your weight? Im sorry but when i buy a game i want at least to have all my bag slots. xD Silly fanboys you
Apparently there are rare drop costumes and rare craftable costumes that look somewhat decent, but for the most part it seems like if you don't drop money, you're going to look relatively the same throughout the game, unless you want to look like a fisherman while grinding or something.
Speaking of fisherman, I could see if they went this way to ensure realism- but they sell a costume in the shop that's a giant fish suit.
Apparently there are rare drop costumes and rare craftable costumes that look somewhat decent, but for the most part it seems like if you don't drop money, you're going to look relatively the same throughout the game, unless you want to look like a fisherman while grinding or something.
Speaking of fisherman, I could see if they went this way to ensure realism- but they sell a costume in the shop that's a giant fish suit.
When I look at your examples, what I see is a very realistic portrayal of progression.
Too often in MMO's you the armor transform from basic rags to these hugely stylistic and somewhat unrealistic armor sets. I mean it would be hard just to move in most of them, never mind do combat. Of course we all like to chase the next best thing as much as the other guy.
But I think people have just been spoiled by all the gaudiness of armor in most other MMO's. This seems to fit the style of this game just fine, IMO, but I can see how people might need badass looking stuff to compensate, ya know?
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Apparently there are rare drop costumes and rare craftable costumes that look somewhat decent, but for the most part it seems like if you don't drop money, you're going to look relatively the same throughout the game, unless you want to look like a fisherman while grinding or something.
Speaking of fisherman, I could see if they went this way to ensure realism- but they sell a costume in the shop that's a giant fish suit.
When I look at your examples, what I see is a very realistic portrayal of progression.
Too often in MMO's you the armor transform from basic rags to these hugely stylistic and somewhat unrealistic armor sets. I mean it would be hard just to move in most of them, never mind do combat. Of course we all like to chase the next best thing as much as the other guy.
But I think people have just been spoiled by all the gaudiness of armor in most other MMO's. This seems to fit the style of this game just fine, IMO, but I can see how people might need badass looking stuff to compensate, ya know?
Yeah like I said it wouldn't necessarily be an issue if the game was going for pure realism. It's not, though, since this is in the game from the cash shop:
The other thing that's kind of annoying is the in-game gear looks a little shoddy. Torn in places, threads sticking out. While the cash shop gear is usually pristine.
To me it's just an over-obvious way to get people to use the cash shop for outfits. Other games with a pretty aggressive cash shop have outfits in-game that look at least not like second-hand clothes...
B&S for example has some pretty badass costumes available in-game. They differentiate the value for the cash-shop items by making them unique- like the recent valentine's outfit for girls which is just a big white dress shirt.
Again, I'd see them not wanting to make too many unique and unusual outfits in the shop to promote realism- but that fish suit...
The whole thing isn't the end of the world or anything, but it's 1 of a few annoying factors when put together is stopping me from buying the game.
If I wasn't playing and enjoying B&S currently I'd probably be all over BDO, however.
This might be too much of a restriction even for a f2p game let alone a b2p game.
Truth is... it is F2P game; the only reason people have to pay $30 is:
dev1: those $uckers will buy anything so lets call it B2P! dev2: lol it is F2P game everyone knows it! dev3: 30$ per copy B2P ftw! dev4: and we remove all F2P crap from this nice game! ........ dev1: hahaha.... no
This might be too much of a restriction even for a f2p game let alone a b2p game.
Truth is... it is F2P game; the only reason people have to pay $30 is:
dev1: those $uckers will buy anything so lets call it B2P! dev2: lol it is F2P game everyone knows it! dev3: 30$ per copy B2P ftw! dev4: and we remove all F2P crap from this nice game! ........ dev1: hahaha.... no
The offensive part to me is that for our B2P version, in some instances, we get less than other regions got in their free versions.
I'd have zero problem with it if they guaranteed no p2w ever- that alone would justify the price. They have not, though. Only until after the launch phase.
I don't talk about it because there is so much wrong with the game design it is staggering to remember every peeve.
IMO the most talked about topic will be pvp problems but we are not really fully at that point yet.Soon as people start to see the flaws in the entire design they will lose interest.
Where i see the HOOK is in all these grinding systems.People will feel like they put so much effort into their character already they will feel compelled to continue.Not me,i can only take so much abuse,then the game just wears on me to where i no longer want to login.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Valkyrie low level: Yes, those are SET items, not white low levels.
Want me to go on ? There is 5,6 different sets of armor for each class There is 7+ professions sets There is crafted sets (don't know how many) Then there are the costumes that have no stats and can be worn over armor, partially available in cash shop for stupid prices but who cares and in Calpheon you can even MAKE crazy costumes if you have the goods to do so in a special house with special equipment.
thank you! people are going way overboard over this talking like the inicial peasant outfit is with you forever... people keep forgetting that this is not the usual handholding MMO, you actually have to do some research to get what you want
Doing research to have fun is not fun.
When did this trend of "put in work to have fun in your downtime" become so prevalent?
"Handholding MMO's" don't exist. Those games just try to make it easier for their players to enjoy the play experience. If someone has a full time job, kids, and like 2 hours 4 days a week to play an MMO, they don't want to spend half of that time doing "research."
Yeah screw research! I'll just throw money at whatever game I feel like and when it turns out I absolutely hate it I will rant and rave about how shitty the game is.
When did this trend of "put in work to have fun in your downtime" become so prevalent?
"Handholding MMO's" don't exist. Those games just try to make it easier for their players to enjoy the play experience. If someone has a full time job, kids, and like 2 hours 4 days a week to play an MMO, they don't want to spend half of that time doing "research."
Yeah screw research! I'll just throw money at whatever game I feel like and when it turns out I absolutely hate it I will rant and rave about how shitty the game is.
Of course!
It's my money, so if I feel scammed, why should I not talk about it? Just because of "emotional atmosphere"? ...yeah right!
Hate to break it to you but if you didn't do any research before throwing money at a game then you weren't scammed, just stupid.
I guess I will never understand everyone caring about how you look in a video game. I could give a rats ass wtf I look like and will never buy shit from the shop even if they drop prices. I'll just keep upgrading whatever shit that drops and look shitty I guess.
As much as I'd enjoy giving BDO a try, I will likely never buy it because I feel supporting this game with their overpriced cash shop on top of buying the game initially is just wrong. Especially if they're hiding the majority of gear looks and customization behind that huge paywall so the base game doesn't feel very rewarding, as many seem to be suggesting.
Let's not even get on to the fact that these cash shop items give in game advantage too. Arguably quite significant. I refunded as I found that unacceptable in a game that has competitive PvP as an end game element.
Incidentaly you you can refund (certainly in th EU and I suspect in the US) it is a statutory consumer right (the beta waiver can no more take this right away than it can force you to give up your unborn children). Anyway that is a topic for another thread, just a PSA.
Here I am crafting my own costumes, maybe I just have special access to the game ? Or maybe you are another one of those guys that bashes without actually knowing what the game is about. So much misinformation from stupid people, it makes me sick.
1) There is tons of armors that have amazing different appearances => mostly set pieces, I have 2 full sets collected so far. (yes, that means white items have no appearance changes, I'm sorry)
2) There is outfits that you can buy at vendors that have amazing appearances
3) There is dyes that you can make
4) There is outfits that you can craft if you own a home and install an outfittery in calpheon.
Ahh you can dye and also craft your own costumes. LOL so basically OP quit over nothing.
that's not what the players are complaining about.
The complaint is - as you are picking up armor during the standard gear progression - there is very subtle change in looks from starting armor.
That's the complaint in a nutshell from official forums - many players don't do any crafting period and play games like BD simpley for gear and combat.
No, they were complaining stating that you looked the same no matter what. They were claiming the only way to change your armors looks was to buy it from the Pearl Shop, and as people pointed out that is not true.
You can dye your armor and you can make your own that does change the looks. Plus what you loot can change the looks little by little.
Let's not even get on to the fact that these cash shop items give in game advantage too. Arguably quite significant. I refunded as I found that unacceptable in a game that has competitive PvP as an end game element.
Incidentaly you you can refund (certainly in th EU and I suspect in the US) it is a statutory consumer right (the beta waiver can no more take this right away than it can force you to give up your unborn children). Anyway that is a topic for another thread, just a PSA.
What is the in game advantage that you can get from the cash shop. I thought it was only cosmetic.
I am pretty sure what people meant to post, since Humans are lazy creatures, is the easiest way to change the look is purchasing from the cash shop. Which to most people is the only route because if it takes effort you can give it up because most Humans aren't going to waste calories figuring things out.
Let's not even get on to the fact that these cash shop items give in game advantage too. Arguably quite significant. I refunded as I found that unacceptable in a game that has competitive PvP as an end game element.
Incidentaly you you can refund (certainly in th EU and I suspect in the US) it is a statutory consumer right (the beta waiver can no more take this right away than it can force you to give up your unborn children). Anyway that is a topic for another thread, just a PSA.
What is the in game advantage that you can get from the cash shop. I thought it was only cosmetic.
You can get + 30% exp from costumes and pets. The post 50 levels are a massive grind many many hours coupled with death penalties it is a pretty big advantage (Just not so much early game). There is also a costume that hides your name which makes it easier to hide to get the drop on other players. Pets are my biggest gripe you get a lot more loot/time spent with (cash shop) pets.
I at lvl 20 looked EXACTLY the same as my lvl 50 friend (head(none), chest, hands, feet, sword and shield) when he didn't show his costume. There is maybe 4 variations in armor, each with a bit more plate than the last, as a warrior anyway. Female classes seems to have more customization in general. So they might have more.
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You equipment does change as you equip new items... sure the super awesome looking stuff is cash shop.. but their is decent ingame armor also
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Apparently there are rare drop costumes and rare craftable costumes that look somewhat decent, but for the most part it seems like if you don't drop money, you're going to look relatively the same throughout the game, unless you want to look like a fisherman while grinding or something.
Speaking of fisherman, I could see if they went this way to ensure realism- but they sell a costume in the shop that's a giant fish suit.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
When I look at your examples, what I see is a very realistic portrayal of progression.
Too often in MMO's you the armor transform from basic rags to these hugely stylistic and somewhat unrealistic armor sets. I mean it would be hard just to move in most of them, never mind do combat.
Of course we all like to chase the next best thing as much as the other guy.
But I think people have just been spoiled by all the gaudiness of armor in most other MMO's. This seems to fit the style of this game just fine, IMO, but I can see how people might need badass looking stuff to compensate, ya know?
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
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The other thing that's kind of annoying is the in-game gear looks a little shoddy. Torn in places, threads sticking out. While the cash shop gear is usually pristine.
To me it's just an over-obvious way to get people to use the cash shop for outfits. Other games with a pretty aggressive cash shop have outfits in-game that look at least not like second-hand clothes...
B&S for example has some pretty badass costumes available in-game. They differentiate the value for the cash-shop items by making them unique- like the recent valentine's outfit for girls which is just a big white dress shirt.
Again, I'd see them not wanting to make too many unique and unusual outfits in the shop to promote realism- but that fish suit...
The whole thing isn't the end of the world or anything, but it's 1 of a few annoying factors when put together is stopping me from buying the game.
If I wasn't playing and enjoying B&S currently I'd probably be all over BDO, however.
If you want to hate on a game, at least put some effort into it.
I didn't realize the fish suit isn't in the game. In that case, the realism argument makes more sense.
dev1: those $uckers will buy anything so lets call it B2P!
dev2: lol it is F2P game everyone knows it!
dev3: 30$ per copy B2P ftw!
dev4: and we remove all F2P crap from this nice game!
........
dev1: hahaha.... no
I'd have zero problem with it if they guaranteed no p2w ever- that alone would justify the price. They have not, though. Only until after the launch phase.
IMO the most talked about topic will be pvp problems but we are not really fully at that point yet.Soon as people start to see the flaws in the entire design they will lose interest.
Where i see the HOOK is in all these grinding systems.People will feel like they put so much effort into their character already they will feel compelled to continue.Not me,i can only take so much abuse,then the game just wears on me to where i no longer want to login.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Incidentaly you you can refund (certainly in th EU and I suspect in the US) it is a statutory consumer right (the beta waiver can no more take this right away than it can force you to give up your unborn children). Anyway that is a topic for another thread, just a PSA.
You can dye your armor and you can make your own that does change the looks. Plus what you loot can change the looks little by little.
You can get + 30% exp from costumes and pets. The post 50 levels are a massive grind many many hours coupled with death penalties it is a pretty big advantage (Just not so much early game). There is also a costume that hides your name which makes it easier to hide to get the drop on other players. Pets are my biggest gripe you get a lot more loot/time spent with (cash shop) pets.