Im playing the game right now and the truth is your equiped items change your appearance but very little, sometimes on color sometimes on a texture. It's so bad it's disgusting. Im not asking for a refund becouse the rest of the game is really fun and I'm enjoying it but the equipment "appearance" is annoying me a lot.
Yeah. This is extremely irritating. I hate the gear progression, or rather the lack of it, so much.
A person named Vix made a post in this thread, showing pictures of the armor progression on a ranger. There's classes where the changes are even less than that
A b2p title with cash shop is just wrong. Not to speak of the amount of money stuff will cost you in that cash shop.
Several newer games have taken this approach. B2P and cash shop...it might be the new thing. I do hope not.
Newer? I swear the older B2P mmos had a cash shop? I say this because how are they to generate any sort of income to create content? At some point box sales will decline and highly doubt the few that buy here and there in the future will be more than enough to fund content patches, updates and keep the gaming running no?
Can understand no cash shop in a single player console sort of game, but in an MMO?
Well, there are cash shops and then there are cash shops.
When how you look, inventory space/carrying weight, loot and leveling efficiency are all behind a paywall... well that's a pretty aggressive cash shop.
The main problem here is that there is very little you can do in game to look good, or even just different. That is intentional and is the most aggressive attempt to sell outfits in any MMO so far, ftp or not (and this one is b2p which usually have less aggressive cash shops).
I read that they literally took out helmet models from our version of the game so you'd have to get a helmet from the cash shop if you wanted one.
The worst part is they've reserved the right to sell power indirectly in the cash shop "after the launch phase".
tl;dr: We're getting almost the same cash shop model as their f2p versions, but we have to pay a box price for it.
Im playing the game right now and the truth is your equiped items change your appearance but very little, sometimes on color sometimes on a texture. It's so bad it's disgusting. Im not asking for a refund becouse the rest of the game is really fun and I'm enjoying it but the equipment "appearance" is annoying me a lot.
Yeah. This is extremely irritating. I hate the gear progression, or rather the lack of it, so much.
A person named Vix made a post in this thread, showing pictures of the armor progression on a ranger. There's classes where the changes are even less than that
Im playing the game right now and the truth is your equiped items change your appearance but very little, sometimes on color sometimes on a texture. It's so bad it's disgusting. Im not asking for a refund becouse the rest of the game is really fun and I'm enjoying it but the equipment "appearance" is annoying me a lot.
Yeah. This is extremely irritating. I hate the gear progression, or rather the lack of it, so much.
A person named Vix made a post in this thread, showing pictures of the armor progression on a ranger. There's classes where the changes are even less than that
Vix post is talking about the character creator.
I'm not sure I understand the relevance of that. Because as far as I'm aware, the CC allows you to preview the armor you can wear? I might've misunderstood that, but that's what it seems to me at least.
Im playing the game right now and the truth is your equiped items change your appearance but very little, sometimes on color sometimes on a texture. It's so bad it's disgusting. Im not asking for a refund becouse the rest of the game is really fun and I'm enjoying it but the equipment "appearance" is annoying me a lot.
Yeah. This is extremely irritating. I hate the gear progression, or rather the lack of it, so much.
A person named Vix made a post in this thread, showing pictures of the armor progression on a ranger. There's classes where the changes are even less than that
Vix post is talking about the character creator.
I'm not sure I understand the relevance of that. Because as far as I'm aware, the CC allows you to preview the armor you can wear? I might've misunderstood that, but that's what it seems to me at least.
The character creator lets you change your starter outfit. Can't remember if you can preview your max level armor or not. Will have to check after work
What? Game companies want to make a profit? This is madness!
I've dropped a massive $120 on the game and if I play for a year, I'm only spending $10/month.
That is nothing for the amount of time I can get out of it.
With that I have a pretty nice looking aka "Epic Phat Lootz" set that I wear regularly and for grinding (it has the standard buffs), 3 pets, and the PVP costume for funzies.
Regardless of anyone's subjective definition of what B2P/F2P is, you pay $30 and have a full featured game with a lot of content.
X number of costumes/visual changes aren't promised anywhere and anyone buying the game or anything in life without doing a tiny bit of research is just .....
If someone bought a costume every other month, they'd basically be paying $15/month aka Sub cost and surprise surprise, new costumes come out every few months.
I get the vanity and desire to look different, but all games come with pros/cons and this is one for BDO.
If another game does it "better," awesome, people can play those instead.
If the cost of costumes or lack of in-game pretty clothing is what is keeping them from playing an overall great product, oh well. Life will go on.
Very clear that many of you never had the joy of playing Box+Sub games or at least weren't paying for them yourselves. For the most part, outside of trying to P2W, games today be it B2P or F2P offer a ton of product for a very low price.
I'll take having the OPTION to instantly have a new snazzy look every other month or so instead of HAVING to pay every month without guarantee of any such thing.
I'll take having the OPTION to instantly have a new snazzy look every other month or so instead of HAVING to pay every month without guarantee of any such thing.
Or they could have done like Guild Wars 2? Offer costumes in the shop that you can't get anywhere else, while still having a good amount of gear progression with different looks in their game, that you can earn with IN GAME activities, not just swiping your visa. I get it, a lot of people don't care about the visuals of their character. Many do however, and it's clear that Daum, or PA, whatever, was aware of this here. Hence, the armor sets you start with, only change very, very subtly over the course of 1-50. A bit of metal tacked on here and there, few more details, but it stays basically, the same. This doesn't force anyone to buy from the cash shop, but it does encourage you to do just that, if you care about how your character looks. Even some classes won't have their helmets show unless you buy a costume... Come on. That's ridiculous. Why give such an amazing character creator, only to blunt the in game visual progression?
All I ever see on this site is people stating "gameplay over everything", gameplay, gameplay, gameplay. Well you have your gameplay for $30 on a finished game. Not a kickstarter, not a early access, not an alpha/beta. No subscription. No P2W.
The major part of a cash shop costume is only $12 and it's the bulk of your appearance.
But if that is still too much, I am sure you already have a game you love.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
All I ever see on this site is people stating "gameplay over everything", gameplay, gameplay, gameplay. Well you have your gameplay for $30 on a finished game. Not a kickstarter, not a early access, not an alpha/beta. No subscription. No P2W.
The major part of a cash shop costume is only $12 and it's the bulk of your appearance.
But if that is still too much, I am sure you already have a game you love.
Look, the price is hardly the issue. The issue is that the gear you can acquire from actually playing the game, offers no distinct changes in how your character looks. It's already been shown that the changes are minimal. I'm thinking that, personally, if it was possible to actually acquire different kinds of armor that had distinctly different looks, then I would also be a lot more willing to spend money on the exclusive cash shop costumes.
Valkyrie low level: Yes, those are SET items, not white low levels.
Want me to go on ? There is 5,6 different sets of armor for each class There is 7+ professions sets There is crafted sets (don't know how many) Then there are the costumes that have no stats and can be worn over armor, partially available in cash shop for stupid prices but who cares and in Calpheon you can even MAKE crazy costumes if you have the goods to do so in a special house with special equipment.
Actually these are not crafted costumes - these are crafted trade sets that replace your armor (they don't go into your costume slot but your armor slot)
again - these are crafting/tradign sets that replaces armor - they are not costumes:
here - see Farmer, Processor, Gatherer.. etc.. they boost thees skills - again Daum wrongly translated them to say "costume" - they are not costumes - go craft them and see that you cannot place them in "costume" slot - but they replace your armor as they are meant to be used during crafting.
To be fair he did say the first 3 where crafted sets, not costumes. Also the last two aren't on that page
Companies need to make money or we wont have fun games to play. The problem here is finding ways to make players feel good when they hand over money. This is not a good way to do that. Everyone wants a cool looking avatar and the only way to do that is fork out 30 bucks? In a month I will be board again of how my avatar looks, so 30 bucks again? Again I dont think BD gets the market they are trying to make money in.
I can see this being a legit issue to some players. It's not for me personally but I would like to see more outfits in game moving forward. As someone mentioned for me there's like a 50:1 ratio of good to bad in this game.
I have no problem with the model and I don't see it as F2P masquerading as B2P. Dressing up my character is just fluff for me. There's nothing on offer in the shop that I can't get in game except some outfits. Even appearance change you get for free from playing. It's unlocked at X hours played I believe. For the buying price you what you get is the actual game itself and it's pretty enjoyable.
I'm going to throw out that when you buy an outfit you get - Head Piece, Armor, and 2 weapon skins. If I buy a skin in GW2 I generally just get the head + armor. So there might be some justification to higher prices on outfits compared to other games. I still think that $29 is on the steep side. They did lower the prices from CBT2 from $32 to $29 and at launch they have a sale where outfits are $25. This shows a lot of good will on their part - they intentionally lowered outfit prices so that players who bought the Conqueror's pack could pick one up. So they're certainly testing out different pricing.
Daum has shown they're open to tweaking things already so folks should keep making suggestions. Like maybe unlock an outfit for certain level milestones on your class? Make dyes multi/infinite use? Make pets more available in game?
SIDE NOTE: There's a metric bajillion people running around in cash shop stuff in game so it doesn't seem like it's keeping people away like most of us thought.
I can see this being a legit issue to some players. It's not for me personally but I would like to see more outfits in game moving forward.
My guess this would not work with their current business model. So appearance/costume items will be cash shop only. Or they will be handed out in game very rarely. Why make such a heavy handed cash shop with cosmetics and make the null by handing out lots of costumes in game?
As for your GW2 comment, I spent 5 bucks to get a full armor set cosmetic overhaul. May not have had weapon skins but this is nowhere in the same ball park.
First, there is a cry that only cosmetics are allowed to sell in cash shop. Then, there is a game that has no cosmetics in game and all cosmetics is in cash shop. Now, there is a cry that only cosmetics are in cash shop.
This just even more supports the stance that these(on this site) players are comfortable with cash shops as long as there is nothing they want in there...
LOL.... OP go play WOW. All these people that complain about this stuff in a game with endless things to do and endless fun make me laugh. All they think an MMORPG is about is sets of armor, the WOW mentality. Have fun in WOW buddy.
I can see this being a legit issue to some players. It's not for me personally but I would like to see more outfits in game moving forward.
My guess this would not work with their current business model. So appearance/costume items will be cash shop only. Or they will be handed out in game very rarely. Why make such a heavy handed cash shop with cosmetics and make the null by handing out lots of costumes in game?
As for your GW2 comment, I spent 5 bucks to get a full armor set cosmetic overhaul. May not have had weapon skins but this is nowhere in the same ball park.
That was my whole point you get more for your money than you do in GW2. You can't just say oh those weapons skins they should just be thrown in for free. Also, GW2 outfits are not $5 when they're brand new they're usually anywhere from $10-$20 and again don't include weapon skins. Not arguing pricing is good in BDO, simply that there's more included in the package it's frequently compared to.
You have a heavy handed cash shop right now because they have never done B2P before. The things you are noticing are the legacy of transitioning a F2P system to a B2P one. If people make suggestions Daum has shown they're open to changing things. Again look at decreases in some prices between CBT2 and Launch. Are they 50% cheaper? No. But they've shown they're open to budging.
Also, how many outfits would you want in game? Like I said I don't care if their are any so how many times do you folks change your appearance? I just wear whatever gear is best for my character and I could look like a clown for all I care.
First, there is a cry that only cosmetics are allowed to sell in cash shop. Then, there is a game that has no cosmetics in game and all cosmetics is in cash shop. Now, there is a cry that only cosmetics are in cash shop.
This just even more supports the stance that these(on this site) players are comfortable with cash shops as long as there is nothing they want in there...
The issue is exclusivity. If the only way to get something is the cash shop, it's an aggressive cash shop, and people don't like aggressive cash shops.
The issue is exclusivity. If the only way to get something is the cash shop, it's an aggressive cash shop, and people don't like aggressive cash shops.
I was actually considering purchasing the game. Thank you for this thread, I wouldn't have imagined this to be the case. Sorry you wasted your money but thank you for saving mine.
Someone stated earlier in this thread that overlooking 50 pros to glare at one con is not right. And in some ways, that is correct. However, didn't DAUM make a big deal out of dropping the price of outfits from $32 to $29? That amount of money is extortion IMO. Each costume set costs as much as two months VIP for most games. That makes the one thing too big to ignore.
And BDO is not going to sit on its laurels, they are probably planning to make expansions that cost money as well. So every 4 months is $29. Each costume set is $29. So keeping up with the expansions and buying 4 costumes a year means you are spending MORE than a typical VIP membership for most games. And this game is pay to win in Korea, it is only a matter of time before that dragon raises its ugly head in the west.
They are pissing on us without even having the decency to call it rain.
There are plenty of other cons for BDO, and they have been heavily discussed elsewhere. The cons are so huge that they overwhelm the positives IMO.
I'll just keep playing ESO and ASTA. Even between the two games I'll spend less money for a great experience that trying to keep up with BDO.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
I dont see the hate about the costumes, what keeps myself off this game is that first, you need to pay to play and second you need to pay again to increase your inventory and again to increase your weight? Im sorry but when i buy a game i want at least to have all my bag slots.
I removed the insult.
You increase your inventory through quests, your bank by getting more storage houses, and your strength (to carry more weight) through fighting mobs and carrying trade packs. No need for the cash shop for all those three things.
You can also increase these things by buying stuff using the loyalty points which cost you nothing as you get them for logging in each day.
I'll take having the OPTION to instantly have a new snazzy look every other month or so instead of HAVING to pay every month without guarantee of any such thing.
Or they could have done like Guild Wars 2? Offer costumes in the shop that you can't get anywhere else, while still having a good amount of gear progression with different looks in their game, that you can earn with IN GAME activities, not just swiping your visa. I get it, a lot of people don't care about the visuals of their character. Many do however, and it's clear that Daum, or PA, whatever, was aware of this here. Hence, the armor sets you start with, only change very, very subtly over the course of 1-50. A bit of metal tacked on here and there, few more details, but it stays basically, the same. This doesn't force anyone to buy from the cash shop, but it does encourage you to do just that, if you care about how your character looks. Even some classes won't have their helmets show unless you buy a costume... Come on. That's ridiculous. Why give such an amazing character creator, only to blunt the in game visual progression?
They could of would of should of, but it is what it is.
We'll have to see how the numbers turn out, but BDO KR's cash shop is a lot more pricey and has P2W which I'm sure receives a ton of cash.
Unless they go the P2W route or lower prices, I don't see the profits keeping up as players drop off and buy what they want/need and stop supporting further.
I can't see myself spending much more and I apparently am on the end that actually believes games shouldn't be 100% free regardless of the F2P label.
GW2 set me back $60 at launch and so far BDO is a much more entertaining product overall with more to come down the line that is already available in other regions.
Could easily see them going F2P and or cutting prices in half and still doing well for themselves. If not, no clue what the game will look like in 3, 6, 12 months. I'll enjoy it while it lasts as I have for 20+ years.
A b2p title with cash shop is just wrong. Not to speak of the amount of money stuff will cost you in that cash shop.
Several newer games have taken this approach. B2P and cash shop...it might be the new thing. I do hope not.
Newer? I swear the older B2P mmos had a cash shop? I say this because how are they to generate any sort of income to create content? At some point box sales will decline and highly doubt the few that buy here and there in the future will be more than enough to fund content patches, updates and keep the gaming running no?
Can understand no cash shop in a single player console sort of game, but in an MMO?
Well, there are cash shops and then there are cash shops.
When how you look, inventory space/carrying weight, loot and leveling efficiency are all behind a paywall... well that's a pretty aggressive cash shop.
The main problem here is that there is very little you can do in game to look good, or even just different. That is intentional and is the most aggressive attempt to sell outfits in any MMO so far, ftp or not (and this one is b2p which usually have less aggressive cash shops).
I read that they literally took out helmet models from our version of the game so you'd have to get a helmet from the cash shop if you wanted one.
The worst part is they've reserved the right to sell power indirectly in the cash shop "after the launch phase".
tl;dr: We're getting almost the same cash shop model as their f2p versions, but we have to pay a box price for it.
You guys are spinning such bullshit about this game it almost makes me want to vomit.
"When how you look, inventory space/carrying weight, loot and leveling efficiency are all behind a paywall... well that's a pretty aggressive cash shop." - Similar things are in ESO's cash shop, WoW lets you buy a fully leveled character, both of those games let you basically circumvent playing the game to get the best gear by having guildies/ friends give you it or by buying gold with cash.
And you guys make it sound like all customization is in the cash shop. FFS, there are two, count it one, two, yes just two fucking outfits for my class in the cash shop, and a whole ONE costume. And I don't even like the look of them compared to what I get in game.
You constantly go on about what they might do in the future without giving them any credit for what they have actually done in the present. They have given us a b2p game almost completely devoid of any p2w, and what advantages you can buy are on par with or less than what you can get in games with much higher price tags or even subs.
Look at ESO (a game I love btw), devs promised it would never go b2p and yet it did. Here in BDO you have some honesty, with the devs saying they might change up the cash shop in the future but if they do they will take measures to try and prevent any adverse impact on the game, and they get shot down for it.
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http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/35984-the-idea-of-armor-dafuq/
A person named Vix made a post in this thread, showing pictures of the armor progression on a ranger. There's classes where the changes are even less than that
When how you look, inventory space/carrying weight, loot and leveling efficiency are all behind a paywall... well that's a pretty aggressive cash shop.
The main problem here is that there is very little you can do in game to look good, or even just different. That is intentional and is the most aggressive attempt to sell outfits in any MMO so far, ftp or not (and this one is b2p which usually have less aggressive cash shops).
I read that they literally took out helmet models from our version of the game so you'd have to get a helmet from the cash shop if you wanted one.
The worst part is they've reserved the right to sell power indirectly in the cash shop "after the launch phase".
tl;dr: We're getting almost the same cash shop model as their f2p versions, but we have to pay a box price for it.
I've dropped a massive $120 on the game and if I play for a year, I'm only spending $10/month.
That is nothing for the amount of time I can get out of it.
With that I have a pretty nice looking aka "Epic Phat Lootz" set that I wear regularly and for grinding (it has the standard buffs), 3 pets, and the PVP costume for funzies.
Regardless of anyone's subjective definition of what B2P/F2P is, you pay $30 and have a full featured game with a lot of content.
X number of costumes/visual changes aren't promised anywhere and anyone buying the game or anything in life without doing a tiny bit of research is just .....
If someone bought a costume every other month, they'd basically be paying $15/month aka Sub cost and surprise surprise, new costumes come out every few months.
I get the vanity and desire to look different, but all games come with pros/cons and this is one for BDO.
If another game does it "better," awesome, people can play those instead.
If the cost of costumes or lack of in-game pretty clothing is what is keeping them from playing an overall great product, oh well. Life will go on.
Very clear that many of you never had the joy of playing Box+Sub games or at least weren't paying for them yourselves. For the most part, outside of trying to P2W, games today be it B2P or F2P offer a ton of product for a very low price.
I'll take having the OPTION to instantly have a new snazzy look every other month or so instead of HAVING to pay every month without guarantee of any such thing.
The major part of a cash shop costume is only $12 and it's the bulk of your appearance.
But if that is still too much, I am sure you already have a game you love.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I can see this being a legit issue to some players. It's not for me personally but I would like to see more outfits in game moving forward. As someone mentioned for me there's like a 50:1 ratio of good to bad in this game.
I have no problem with the model and I don't see it as F2P masquerading as B2P. Dressing up my character is just fluff for me. There's nothing on offer in the shop that I can't get in game except some outfits. Even appearance change you get for free from playing. It's unlocked at X hours played I believe. For the buying price you what you get is the actual game itself and it's pretty enjoyable.
I'm going to throw out that when you buy an outfit you get - Head Piece, Armor, and 2 weapon skins. If I buy a skin in GW2 I generally just get the head + armor. So there might be some justification to higher prices on outfits compared to other games. I still think that $29 is on the steep side. They did lower the prices from CBT2 from $32 to $29 and at launch they have a sale where outfits are $25. This shows a lot of good will on their part - they intentionally lowered outfit prices so that players who bought the Conqueror's pack could pick one up. So they're certainly testing out different pricing.
Daum has shown they're open to tweaking things already so folks should keep making suggestions. Like maybe unlock an outfit for certain level milestones on your class? Make dyes multi/infinite use? Make pets more available in game?
SIDE NOTE: There's a metric bajillion people running around in cash shop stuff in game so it doesn't seem like it's keeping people away like most of us thought.
Steam: Neph
As for your GW2 comment, I spent 5 bucks to get a full armor set cosmetic overhaul. May not have had weapon skins but this is nowhere in the same ball park.
Then, there is a game that has no cosmetics in game and all cosmetics is in cash shop.
Now, there is a cry that only cosmetics are in cash shop.
This just even more supports the stance that these(on this site) players are comfortable with cash shops as long as there is nothing they want in there...
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
That was my whole point you get more for your money than you do in GW2. You can't just say oh those weapons skins they should just be thrown in for free. Also, GW2 outfits are not $5 when they're brand new they're usually anywhere from $10-$20 and again don't include weapon skins. Not arguing pricing is good in BDO, simply that there's more included in the package it's frequently compared to.
You have a heavy handed cash shop right now because they have never done B2P before. The things you are noticing are the legacy of transitioning a F2P system to a B2P one. If people make suggestions Daum has shown they're open to changing things. Again look at decreases in some prices between CBT2 and Launch. Are they 50% cheaper? No. But they've shown they're open to budging.
Also, how many outfits would you want in game? Like I said I don't care if their are any so how many times do you folks change your appearance? I just wear whatever gear is best for my character and I could look like a clown for all I care.
Steam: Neph
And BDO is not going to sit on its laurels, they are probably planning to make expansions that cost money as well. So every 4 months is $29. Each costume set is $29. So keeping up with the expansions and buying 4 costumes a year means you are spending MORE than a typical VIP membership for most games. And this game is pay to win in Korea, it is only a matter of time before that dragon raises its ugly head in the west.
They are pissing on us without even having the decency to call it rain.
There are plenty of other cons for BDO, and they have been heavily discussed elsewhere. The cons are so huge that they overwhelm the positives IMO.
I'll just keep playing ESO and ASTA. Even between the two games I'll spend less money for a great experience that trying to keep up with BDO.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
We'll have to see how the numbers turn out, but BDO KR's cash shop is a lot more pricey and has P2W which I'm sure receives a ton of cash.
Unless they go the P2W route or lower prices, I don't see the profits keeping up as players drop off and buy what they want/need and stop supporting further.
I can't see myself spending much more and I apparently am on the end that actually believes games shouldn't be 100% free regardless of the F2P label.
GW2 set me back $60 at launch and so far BDO is a much more entertaining product overall with more to come down the line that is already available in other regions.
Could easily see them going F2P and or cutting prices in half and still doing well for themselves. If not, no clue what the game will look like in 3, 6, 12 months. I'll enjoy it while it lasts as I have for 20+ years.
"When how you look, inventory space/carrying weight, loot and leveling efficiency are all behind a paywall... well that's a pretty aggressive cash shop." - Similar things are in ESO's cash shop, WoW lets you buy a fully leveled character, both of those games let you basically circumvent playing the game to get the best gear by having guildies/ friends give you it or by buying gold with cash.
And you guys make it sound like all customization is in the cash shop. FFS, there are two, count it one, two, yes just two fucking outfits for my class in the cash shop, and a whole ONE costume. And I don't even like the look of them compared to what I get in game.
You constantly go on about what they might do in the future without giving them any credit for what they have actually done in the present. They have given us a b2p game almost completely devoid of any p2w, and what advantages you can buy are on par with or less than what you can get in games with much higher price tags or even subs.
Look at ESO (a game I love btw), devs promised it would never go b2p and yet it did. Here in BDO you have some honesty, with the devs saying they might change up the cash shop in the future but if they do they will take measures to try and prevent any adverse impact on the game, and they get shot down for it.