I'm sorry to hear so many of you are unhappy with BDO. It saddens me deeply to see this happen in today's day and age. I guess our only hope is for all of you to pitch in your spare $30 you have and start your own game development company and create the perfect MMO we've all been waiting for. Until that happens, I'll play what I enjoy, which is BDO and you all can continue to wallow in self pity and misery.
I've played a lot of MMO's and I think BDO is a very well made MMO. It's not perfect, but it's far better than most and it has enough distractions that for once, I don't pay attention to my leveling. I know people don't like it for whatever reason and that's to be expected. Most of it is pretty simple stuff and really not worth all the huffin and puffin going on.
Take the original post for instance. He's frustrated and ready to quit simply because he didn't realize that at the bottom of his inventory screen is a 2nd set of inventory icons. One of which is for his helm which by default is turned off. As usual, these frustrated players immediately get pissed off because they are too impatient to figure the game out and instead come on the forums and bitch. Welcome to 2016, where the average player patience is the equivalent of a 3 year old who hasn't eaten in 8 hours or slept in 2 days. Slow down folks, take a deep breath, try looking outside the box and you might just surprise yourself.
Agree unfortunately. And I honestly thought the people on these forums would absolutely LOVE BDO. It is a seamless world, it is not a WoW clone, it has an extremely fair cash shop, it has no sub, it is no gear treadmill, it is not a linear themepark, it looks great and not cartoony too, the gear looks semi-realistic so no shoulderpads drama, it has more indepth mechanisms at work then most MMO's, the combat is not tabtargetting hotbar based.
I honestly thought the people here would absolutely love BDO, I was naive, there is no love for released games here, only for future products that will get the same treatment as soon as they have been released, poor Pantheon, Crowfall etc. you will all be dissected and torn to shreds on these forums. I salute the few people here that can still love the games they are currently playing, MMO's in particular. I am currently enjoying Asta and BDO and they could not have been more different, I love the diversity currently on offer, what an awesome time to be a gamer, I haven't been this spoiled in the last 20 years of gaming.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Well i am having fun with the game, and yes therre are 10.000 quests in the game (MTFKR) But the outfit system is like utter crap. everyone looks the same. And yes for a game with so mutch "stuff" in it, the way u look is just terrible. I know they did it to sell the over expensive outfit's But damn just put them in the game then. I am willing to pay 29,- for an outfit but not if it makes me look like the rest that are walking around. I can do the same by not wearing any and still look like the rest :pleased: Till now only bought 3 pets, for the rest in the cah shop dont appeal to me even therre are 900000 things in it. I be fikin damned if i spend 10,- just to carry a little more weight or 10,- for a few inventory spaces. Wish they stopped pretending its a B2P game and just call it F2P + cashshop.
put some more outfits in it.. since i dont wanna walk around looking like Jean Luke picard.. ARLG... (i have night mares about that)
i've been playing nonstop since the 3rd and i havent seen any players in game complaining about this. there are trade profession costumes in game that you can earn/craft/buy in game. the costumes in the cash shop are really impressive but also i believe are a little high in price sadly. you can however purchase the different pieces separately as well instead of buying the whole costume at once. another feature i like is you can mix different pieces together from multiple costumes. plus they can be dyed as can the "stock" armor in game.
the dye system is pretty impressive to me as some armor pieces have 4-5 different sections on it you can dye. its defiantly different than the normal get a new piece of armor, try it on to see how cool it looks approach that we're use to and that i prefer(i'm all about the eye candy)but theres so much more to the game that it hasn't been an issue for me at least.
I'm sorry to hear so many of you are unhappy with BDO. It saddens me deeply to see this happen in today's day and age. I guess our only hope is for all of you to pitch in your spare $30 you have and start your own game development company and create the perfect MMO we've all been waiting for. Until that happens, I'll play what I enjoy, which is BDO and you all can continue to wallow in self pity and misery.
I've played a lot of MMO's and I think BDO is a very well made MMO. It's not perfect, but it's far better than most and it has enough distractions that for once, I don't pay attention to my leveling. I know people don't like it for whatever reason and that's to be expected. Most of it is pretty simple stuff and really not worth all the huffin and puffin going on.
Take the original post for instance. He's frustrated and ready to quit simply because he didn't realize that at the bottom of his inventory screen is a 2nd set of inventory icons. One of which is for his helm which by default is turned off. As usual, these frustrated players immediately get pissed off because they are too impatient to figure the game out and instead come on the forums and bitch. Welcome to 2016, where the average player patience is the equivalent of a 3 year old who hasn't eaten in 8 hours or slept in 2 days. Slow down folks, take a deep breath, try looking outside the box and you might just surprise yourself.
Agree unfortunately. And I honestly thought the people on these forums would absolutely LOVE BDO. It is a seamless world, it is not a WoW clone, it has an extremely fair cash shop, it has no sub, it is no gear treadmill, it is not a linear themepark, it looks great and not cartoony too, the gear looks semi-realistic so no shoulderpads drama, it has more indepth mechanisms at work then most MMO's, the combat is not tabtargetting hotbar based.
I think you are being a bit unfair, as pointed out the cash shop is extremely aggressive because there are so many variations of colors to dye clothing with, who wouldn't get extremely upset over such travesty?
Surely you can see that the devs are just trying to pull the wool over your eyes by providing an almost totally non-p2w cash shop/game and are really out to rob us all with the multifarious selection of dye tones.
I mean its pretty obvious that all this fluff like "seamless world", "nonlinear", "indepth gameplay", "great graphics" is just a front to suck players into dropping their life savings on a virtual dye factory. Shame on you BDO, shame on you.
When are devs going to learn that what we all really want is a proper dye system?!
Last one and half year I have played Destiny on the PS4 and had a total blast playing with my Brother and friends. Fun I hadn't had in any MMO for years now.
And now since this week I am having a blast in The Division on PS4 and still have Fallout 4, the Witcher and DA:Inquisition as side games to play.
MMO's are nothing but F2P cash grab games these days. The good times have long past.
The only decent MMO that is still left and which I still play from time to time, is FFXIV.
While I agree the lack of costume options sucks... I simply don't care. Why should I? The game, with all its depth and expansiveness, is well worth the $30 on its own, and if I can pay some money for a costume every now and then to support the game...Great!
Daum is being greedy? I'll probably get crucified for this, but...
If I'm getting a consistent 200+ hours out of the game (1 week in my main is at 3 days playtime) over the course of a month, it is well worth investing $15-30 in. I'm enjoying 200+ hours of entertainment for $.15/hr. So far, I've gotten great value out of the game. Stop being selfish greedy customers because you have to pay for an entirely irrelevant portion of the game. You spend hundreds of hours in the game so you want to have your character look better? Cool, glad you're enjoying the game...so do you think Daum doesn't deserve a bit of money to upkeep that game you're loving?
And if you seriously can't enjoy a game purely because of lack of costumes...go play a glorified Barbie simulator.
And if you seriously can't enjoy a game purely because of lack of costumes...go play a glorified Barbie simulator.
Look, I'm sorry. But this is just a plain silly response. I'm very happy that you feel you're getting your moneys worth out of BDO. Honestly, that's really great But the thing is, people care about different things. For a LOT of players, the visual appearance of their characters is important. Gear variety is important, as well as gear progression (in the visual sense). When you've purchased the game and you complain about there being a lack of variety concerning gear, and how there is only a few costumes in the cash shop, you are hardly being selfish and greedy. You already PAID for the game. Sure, you can dye it. But good luck getting the actual colors you want, because the dye boxes you buy are RNG boxes. Several people on the official forums used over $300 to get the look they want. Best part of it is, the dyes are one time use.
And yes, while Daum should get some money for upkeep or whatever, lets not kid ourselves. This is not the only way to monetize an MMO.
You don't like the game, we get it! I just read another post of yours saying BDO does not have action combat. You are having fun in GW2, maybe you should post in that forum?
Guess it can be either or. You post negativity while others post positivity. Fanboys/Haters, it's whatever. We go through this with every game that's released. When people stop throwing their opinions in hope others will magically be "converted" to said opinion (usually tried as fact by the originator which is 100% a ruse anyhow) think we'll all be better off.
Seeing as the human race isn't close to that becoming a reality, all in all, doesn't even matter.
Had a couple of 4(us) vs 8 and 5(us) vs 12 where we end up the winners is some decent PvP, wouldn't call it zerg. Think maybe 30% of the people had cash shop costumes (I know, damn pay to look good cash shop).
The lack of costume options on the regular is a bit disappointing and I can understand the frustration people feel when they find this out, one thing Daum could do is add an appearance NPC that has costume pieces you can get (basically just take all the outfits the NPC's wear and make them available to players to customize themselves).
How dare they charge me... FOR ANYTHING. The days of pay $30 and have a full fledged game forever and ever are gone. I paid $70 just to play Warlords of Draenor for a month. I paid $60 for GW2. $60 for wildstar for one month. I paid $40 on BDO so far and have my pet. I will pay another $20 for an outfit and dye soon, and I see no reason to pay for much else on the cash shop for a long while.
Bank account is still intact. BDO is fun. Game is supported. Life is good.
Even Singleplayer games charge for DLC and addon-packs now. And with all of the early-access scams, kickstarter bs, I am happy to support a finished product.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
The lack of costume options on the regular is a bit disappointing and I can understand the frustration people feel when they find this out, one thing Daum could do is add an appearance NPC that has costume pieces you can get (basically just take all the outfits the NPC's wear and make them available to players to customize themselves).
Because you can just change the databse entry and character will be suddenly wearing different cloth, right?
That is not how it works.
For each costume, you need to re-create all the animations for all races, classes and genders. These little things might seem simple but are fairly time consuming(expensive).
That is one of the main reasons for gender locks, it does save quite a bit of resources.
I wouldn't bother guys...the fanboyism is just too strong. BDO is so puuurrrrty and so puuurrrrfect, you must be a noob or a troll if you dislike anything about it. Can't wait to see their faces when they realize this is nothing more than a glorified zerg v zerg cash shop MMO.
it reminds me Archeage, we all know the end of the story. Wait a Month till people hit the endgame.
Cant' win with some people. Nobody wanted a pay to win game and so Daum came through on that but now no one wants to pay for items that do not effect gameplay. If this game was completly free it would die within months as there would be no money to pay any staff or for infrastructure.
So you are unhappy paying $120 which, let's be honest here, $60 is totally optional and unnecessary, and pets aren't $30 so you're vastly exaggerating there; the cost of which lets you play indefinitely. But you would be happy paying $50 + ($15*12) = $230 a year where the moment you stop paying your rental fee you lose access to everything you've put money into.
So $230 makes sense for limited access but $30+ for unlimited access is a screw job. Makes sense.... in opposite world.
"vastly exaggerating"? Pets are like what, 8 bucks each. You need 3 of them to optimally loot, so I guess it's only 24. Maybe a little of an exaggeration but not much.
But yeah I would be happy to pay 120 if it would be all I would have to pay ever. I'd actually rather pay more if I knew it was a game I would stick with for years.
But it's not all I will have to pay. If I want a different outfit besides the one I initially bought (god forbid I want 3 different looks in an MMO), I'll have to pay 30 plus more for dyes.
If they're being this way with pets and outfits and dyes at the start, it's only going to get worse. They're going to add items that I'm going to feel I need to play the game fully. After a years time I'm sure it will add up to more than $230.
"So $230 makes sense for limited access but $30+ for unlimited access is a screw job. Makes sense.... in opposite world."
It's not unlmited access- that's the point. 30 gets you zero pets, zero outfits, zero dyes of your choice, no mount, limited inventory and God knows what else. Much of the game is behind a paywall.
I'd almost prefer they just stick power in the cash shop. This kind of sneaky way to prod people towards the cash shop with the brown-weighted random dyes you get in-game and the shoddy single outfit is just seriously offputting to me.
The whole thing just makes me not trust them. It makes me think they will pull all kinds of shady stuff in the future to get my cash shop money.
Jean-Luc Picard- "You don't need pets to loot, really. Just spam the R key a couple of times and you have it all."
At endgame when you want to pull tons of mobs nonstop to maximize your grinding time, it does make a difference.
How is the game behind a paywall exactly? You get inventory space by doing quests for NPC's scattered around the world. You can go out and capture your own horse to ride or buy one in game. Dyes pretty sure you can make in game with a specific workshop(someone correct me if I'm wrong) and costumes would be the only thing you pay for but that doesn't hinder gameplay at all. Pets are nice to have but really unless you are a hardcore player you don't need them and if you are hardcore you probably already bought them.
Really your only complaint is you have to pay for a costume and some dyes. If that's the best you can come up with then I don't think anything they do will please you.
BDO is a fun 'light sandbox' mmo. Very different from what I expected..but pleasantly surprised.
I have a level 30 warrior and I have been leveling him slowly.. I spent most of my time doing trade and crafting things which is rewarding in its own right. I'm just now doing quests and things but for some reason the actual quests feel more like a side thing to do than the other things to do in the game. I plan on becoming a horse tamer soon... I hear there's lots of silver in that..
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Holy mother of whining. People complain and complain about F2P or B2P + cash shops being ruthlessly P2W and should only offer cosmetic stuff in the cash shop. Now, BDO is B2P and has pretty much cosmetic or convenience items and you complain about not being able to look cool in-game without spending money. Seriously folks, games need financial support somehow and I'd rather give money to look cool, than to have a P2W atmosphere. So figure out if online gaming is for you because F2P games are not F2P. Game companies need to pay for their own bills too, which means they need a monthly income as well. Can't afford to look cool? Than enjoy the game without looking cool. Don't complain because your cheap ass can't afford a costume.
Good thing you're here keeping tabs on who's whining and who isn't. What would this forum be without you?!
I have completely given up on MMO's already. Last one and half year I have played Destiny on the PS4 and had a total blast playing with my Brother and friends. Fun I hadn't had in any MMO for years now. And now since this week I am having a blast in The Division on PS4 and still have Fallout 4, the Witcher and DA:Inquisition as side games to play. MMO's are nothing but F2P cash grab games these days. The good times have long past. The only decent MMO that is still left and which I still play from time to time, is FFXIV.
Well, what is the Division if not a F2P cash grab? The game itself is $60. The gold edition on Steam is $100. It doesn't even say what the gold edition offers and doesn't offer in the product description. They have $50 worth of Day 1 DLC. Do you think they're not going to keep charging and charging for that game?
FF14 charges a "box fee", has a cash shop, charges rental fees for access, and charges rental fees for additional storage. How is that any better? Because you like it, so then it's okay?
The problem here is you think your situation is immune while pointing fingers at another game. I hope the irony isn't lost on you.
Why do people keep saying that the Division has $50 worth of Day 1 DLC? That's like saying every game with a season pass has Day 1 DLC which is not the traditional definition of what Day 1 DLC is.
I play it. I like it. It's unfortunate some of you feel like you've lost an investment for <insert reason here>. Lesson learned, move on, do more research next time and perhaps you'll less likely be fooled. Never a guarantee though, life is sometimes unfair.
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I honestly thought the people here would absolutely love BDO, I was naive, there is no love for released games here, only for future products that will get the same treatment as soon as they have been released, poor Pantheon, Crowfall etc. you will all be dissected and torn to shreds on these forums. I salute the few people here that can still love the games they are currently playing, MMO's in particular. I am currently enjoying Asta and BDO and they could not have been more different, I love the diversity currently on offer, what an awesome time to be a gamer, I haven't been this spoiled in the last 20 years of gaming.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But the outfit system is like utter crap. everyone looks the same.
And yes for a game with so mutch "stuff" in it, the way u look is just terrible.
I know they did it to sell the over expensive outfit's
But damn just put them in the game then.
I am willing to pay 29,- for an outfit but not if it makes me look like the rest that are walking around.
I can do the same by not wearing any and still look like the rest :pleased:
Till now only bought 3 pets, for the rest in the cah shop dont appeal to me even therre are 900000 things in it.
I be fikin damned if i spend 10,- just to carry a little more weight or 10,- for a few inventory spaces.
Wish they stopped pretending its a B2P game and just call it F2P + cashshop.
put some more outfits in it.. since i dont wanna walk around looking like Jean Luke picard.. ARLG...
(i have night mares about that)
the dye system is pretty impressive to me as some armor pieces have 4-5 different sections on it you can dye. its defiantly different than the normal get a new piece of armor, try it on to see how cool it looks approach that we're use to and that i prefer(i'm all about the eye candy)but theres so much more to the game that it hasn't been an issue for me at least.
Surely you can see that the devs are just trying to pull the wool over your eyes by providing an almost totally non-p2w cash shop/game and are really out to rob us all with the multifarious selection of dye tones.
I mean its pretty obvious that all this fluff like "seamless world", "nonlinear", "indepth gameplay", "great graphics" is just a front to suck players into dropping their life savings on a virtual dye factory. Shame on you BDO, shame on you.
When are devs going to learn that what we all really want is a proper dye system?!
Last one and half year I have played Destiny on the PS4 and had a total blast playing with my Brother and friends. Fun I hadn't had in any MMO for years now.
And now since this week I am having a blast in The Division on PS4 and still have Fallout 4, the Witcher and DA:Inquisition as side games to play.
MMO's are nothing but F2P cash grab games these days. The good times have long past.
The only decent MMO that is still left and which I still play from time to time, is FFXIV.
I simply don't care. Why should I? The game, with all its depth and expansiveness, is well worth the $30 on its own, and if I can pay some money for a costume every now and then to support the game...Great!
Daum is being greedy? I'll probably get crucified for this, but...
If I'm getting a consistent 200+ hours out of the game (1 week in my main is at 3 days playtime) over the course of a month, it is well worth investing $15-30 in. I'm enjoying 200+ hours of entertainment for $.15/hr. So far, I've gotten great value out of the game. Stop being selfish greedy customers because you have to pay for an entirely irrelevant portion of the game. You spend hundreds of hours in the game so you want to have your character look better? Cool, glad you're enjoying the game...so do you think Daum doesn't deserve a bit of money to upkeep that game you're loving?
And if you seriously can't enjoy a game purely because of lack of costumes...go play a glorified Barbie simulator.
And yes, while Daum should get some money for upkeep or whatever, lets not kid ourselves. This is not the only way to monetize an MMO.
Seeing as the human race isn't close to that becoming a reality, all in all, doesn't even matter.
Had a couple of 4(us) vs 8 and 5(us) vs 12 where we end up the winners is some decent PvP, wouldn't call it zerg. Think maybe 30% of the people had cash shop costumes (I know, damn pay to look good cash shop).
The lack of costume options on the regular is a bit disappointing and I can understand the frustration people feel when they find this out, one thing Daum could do is add an appearance NPC that has costume pieces you can get (basically just take all the outfits the NPC's wear and make them available to players to customize themselves).
Bank account is still intact. BDO is fun. Game is supported. Life is good.
Even Singleplayer games charge for DLC and addon-packs now. And with all of the early-access scams, kickstarter bs, I am happy to support a finished product.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
For each costume, you need to re-create all the animations for all races, classes and genders. These little things might seem simple but are fairly time consuming(expensive).
That is one of the main reasons for gender locks, it does save quite a bit of resources.
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Really your only complaint is you have to pay for a costume and some dyes. If that's the best you can come up with then I don't think anything they do will please you.
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I have a level 30 warrior and I have been leveling him slowly.. I spent most of my time doing trade and crafting things which is rewarding in its own right. I'm just now doing quests and things but for some reason the actual quests feel more like a side thing to do than the other things to do in the game. I plan on becoming a horse tamer soon... I hear there's lots of silver in that..
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That's all I'm saying on this topic.