and yet a team of ~14 people were able to come up with something that blows everything before it out of the water.
That is your personal opinion, not a general objective truth.
I think they do good work, but so far all I have seen is a trailer and a "making of". I look forward to see (and play) their work in the future.
From Imaginarium I know (and have seen) some of the most impressive movies (based on mocap and p-cap) in recent years. Which is a bit more in my book than a single trailer.
Have fun
I was speaking about coming up with the tech to capture and render in real time. You can't deny that a very small team effectively showed up what you said to be the most expensive studio and world wide experts.
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
what you said to be the most expensive studio and world wide experts.
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
Feel free to show where I state that Imaginarium is the most expensive studio. Let me help you. I did not.
I DID state that they are world wide experts.
I am not a fan of posting quote trains half a page high like some others do. If someone wants to know the whole reply, he is free to scroll up. If YOU believe that makes me look desparate .... i MAY be able to survive that .....barely ....
what you said to be the most expensive studio and world wide experts.
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
Feel free to show where I state that Imaginarium is the most expensive studio. Let me help you. I did not.
I DID state that they are world wide experts.
I am not a fan of posting quote trains half a page high like some others do. If someone wants to know the whole reply, he is free to scroll up. If YOU believe that makes me look desparate .... i MAY be able to survive that .....barely ....
Have fun
My mistake on the most expensive part.
know the fun thing about this forum though? It puts a handy link in long quotes that says "show previous quotes" so you don't have to worry about posting quote trains. I know you can survive it because you are somehow still a fan of SC so we all know your stubbornness lol
I think they do good work, but so far all I have seen is a trailer and a "making of". I look forward to see (and play) their work in the future.
From Imaginarium I know (and have seen) some of the most impressive movies (based on mocap and p-cap) in recent years. Which is a bit more in my book than a single trailer.
Have fun
And whose fault is that? To lazy to use Google? Let me help you.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
what you said to be the most expensive studio and world wide experts.
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
Feel free to show where I state that Imaginarium is the most expensive studio. Let me help you. I did not.
I DID state that they are world wide experts.
I am not a fan of posting quote trains half a page high like some others do. If someone wants to know the whole reply, he is free to scroll up. If YOU believe that makes me look desparate .... i MAY be able to survive that .....barely ....
Have fun
Imaginarium did do mocap for Age of Ultron and Star Wars, which does tend to towards consideration as top drawer and expensive. Even if they were only slightly above industry standard, a two month shoot with many hours of capture is a serious expense.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I'm having a REALLY hard time seeing anything new and shiny in Garriott's latest travesty.
The thing about Roberts is that he's got a point when he aims high, because his game will center around immersion - and the entire concept revolves around taking advantage of modern PC hardware to an extent we haven't seen in decades.
If they held back development for every single new feature - we wouldn't be seeing what we're seeing in 2.4.1. However, it's obviously not a project where corners are cut to make a deadline.
Some people would prefer that, but I'm happy it's not.
Garriott has Starr Long onboard to try to curb his excesses. Though he failed during Tabula Rasa's long development. The SotA setup was originally conceived as a wild steampunk project, but fans and investors only wanted retread Ultima Online. Some of the original concept art can now be found at Denis Loubet's art site:
Roberts always aims unrealistically high. Granted that immersion is his best contribution. The choice to aim for high end PC hardware was also a good one, imo. His 'vision' will always expand to the amount of money available - without any guarantee of being able to deliver on it. He's not a competent project manager. As D. Jennings put it, he has no sense of scale. Bootlaces are as important as getting the spaceships to fly right. Unless Erin can really ride herd on him, he will go until he runs out of money. Exactly what happened to him at Digital Anvil, and with Freelancer. So I guess hardcore fans really should buy more ship jpegs.
It's one thing to make mistakes. Everyone does. It's another to never learn from those lessons, and continue to repeat them.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Lucky us then that Erin Roberts IS Director of Global Production ;-)
Have fun
You know as well as I that Erin, Tony, and the others couldn't manage it at Digital Anvil. Chris's big head has now probably gotten too large for even them to work around.
I suspect a toga clad Roberts will be fiddling as the Spaceships burn....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Seems like CIG has finally decided on which SC "professions" they will show first to us testers in the Alpha test. Tony Zurovec - Head of Persistent Universe development - talked about it:
Released
the first iteration of shopping and persistence: this is really
critical, not just for the near-term functionality that it enabled, but
also for a lot of upcoming features.
Wrapped
Levski a while ago but the guys in Germany made such rapid progress with
the Procedural Planets they decided release the two things together.
Levski
required a bit of retrofitting: it had to be merged into a procedural
body; it had to get changing booths and more landing pads
Levski has a Blade Runner-esque bazaar with small vendors.
Levski’s main area will be secure but won’t sell illicit goods – you’ll need to go to the abandoned, dangerous areas.
Tony has been working on Subsumption recently – the AI and mission system
He’s been working on the architecture, the editor and closely with the German and UK teams for Subsumption.
Subsumption will increase productivity of designers that create AI/mission logic.
Current missions take longer to construct; aren’t as flexible and are more error prone.
It will also allow better content to be created.
Each AI needs to be able to respond to a wide variety of stimulus.
Some AI stimulus will propagate, others won’t. Some will run alongside other stimuli.
Cargo (Courier Transport) is the first occupation upcoming.
It includes initial commodities and prices; UI for buying and selling and systems to unload/load cargo.
Piracy and
Smuggling with accompany Cargo – as more plundering occurs, increased
notoriety will attract law enforcement and security.
Retail UEE shops won’t sell illicit goods but if goods can be snuck into port then black market dealers might be found.
Mining and Salvage will also come soon.
Mining/Salvage won’t be accompanied by relevant ships so mining will focus on labour-intensive manual mining.
This includes ore from planetary bodies and gases from gas giants.
Salvage will have a salvage gun which can be used to break down materials from a ship.
This requires precise targeting of valuable components but can be profitable.
Each player will have a Service beacon that allows requesting/accepting services from other players in mobiGlas.
Services include rescues, fuel, repairs, escorts, etc.
This will allow players who are interested in a specific job to get lots of gameplay they would enjoy."
If they release this game with even 1/2 of the content CR is talking about, I think I will be very happy with my 30$ investment. Thanks for the updates Erillion.
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If they release this game with even 1/2 of the content CR is talking about, I think I will be very happy with my 30$ investment. Thanks for the updates Erillion.
Out of curiosity, how long are you will to wait for that content? 2 years, 5 years, 8 years? At what point is it too much. Everyone has different limits to how long they can wait before losing interest or hope or simply begin to question the project management.
If they release this game with even 1/2 of the content CR is talking about, I think I will be very happy with my 30$ investment. Thanks for the updates Erillion.
Out of curiosity, how long are you will to wait for that content? 2 years, 5 years, 8 years? At what point is it too much. Everyone has different limits to how long they can wait before losing interest or hope or simply begin to question the project management.
BTW, you donated, you didn't invest.
Personally for a project of this size I would expect 5-7 years.
If they release this game with even 1/2 of the content CR is talking about, I think I will be very happy with my 30$ investment. Thanks for the updates Erillion.
Out of curiosity, how long are you will to wait for that content? 2 years, 5 years, 8 years? At what point is it too much. Everyone has different limits to how long they can wait before losing interest or hope or simply begin to question the project management.
BTW, you donated, you didn't invest.
Personally for a project of this size I would expect 5-7 years.
It's also hard to pin down a number due to working on two games at the same time. They already realize they have to scale back on some features so those can be added later. SQ42 has been turned into a trilogy already so people are still getting ahead of themselves.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
what you said to be the most expensive studio and world wide experts.
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
Feel free to show where I state that Imaginarium is the most expensive studio. Let me help you. I did not.
I DID state that they are world wide experts.
I am not a fan of posting quote trains half a page high like some others do. If someone wants to know the whole reply, he is free to scroll up. If YOU believe that makes me look desparate .... i MAY be able to survive that .....barely ....
Have fun
My mistake on the most expensive part.
know the fun thing about this forum though? It puts a handy link in long quotes that says "show previous quotes" so you don't have to worry about posting quote trains. I know you can survive it because you are somehow still a fan of SC so we all know your stubbornness lol
Choosing what to do in-house and what to contract out is a tough call. If you go for the latter there are multiple issues to consider.
Consider: if you are buying some standard item - a blu-ray say - you might decide to go for the cheapest even though its coming from some unknown retailer and will take two weeks. Or you might decide to pay a little more and go with a known retailer and next day delivery. Price is a big factor but at some point dealer reputation kicks in. If its a cheap item though and time is not a factor cheapest could still win.
Now consider you are tasked with choosing a firm / venue for a friend or sibling's wedding. Do you still go for the unknown but cheap? Maybe - cost might be a big factor. However you might be more inclined to go with a firm with some history. In this case time is a factor. And maybe things might change so should you go for a company that can be flexible if things change; or deploy more staff if they fall behind?. Which is what most big companies actually do. Its a risk averse choice. And "well-known" contracted companies reputations often suffer if they fail to deliver even if its not their "direct fault" - so they work for a win-win.
For SC going with a well known company also gives SC some extra credibility and some promotion.
They may have been able to get the same result - or better - with a small, cheap team. If they had gone that route there would have been a lot of posters, imo, lambasting them. And woe betide if the small team didn't deliver. You maybe?
They made a choice; a safe choice. It may not have been the cheapest option - I don't know - but like a wedding this is something that has to deliver for SC. And I suspect most backers are happy with that.
You know as well as I that Erin, Tony, and the others couldn't manage it at Digital Anvil.
I know that Erin was perfectly capable at successfully launching multiple video games of the Lego franchise in the last 10 years.
You may have old information about the Digital Anvil era, but its outdated by at least a decade.
Have fun
Pretty funny, since Roberts game work is outdated by over two decades!
Digital Anvil is the one time when Roberts was completely in charge. And he delivered: Nothing, nada, zippo. Where did all that money go?
Yeah, Erin is pretty much the only chance they've got. But, as mentioned above, even that didn't work at DA.
Oh, and Roberts most recent film connection: unreleased, bankrupt, and still under litigation last time I checked. No wonder he had to suddenly rediscover a love for games.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Oh, and Roberts most recent film connection: unreleased, bankrupt, and still under litigation last time I checked. No wonder he had to suddenly rediscover a love for games.
Feel free to post any evidence for it being bankrupt and under litigation.
Starlancer: Computer game Starlancer
is a space-based science fiction flight simulator computer game,
created by Chris Roberts, Erin Roberts, and Warthog PLC under the
auspices of Digital Anvil.
Brute Force: Video game 8.1/10 · IGN.com Brute
Force is a video game released for the Xbox by Microsoft in 2003. The
game is a squad-based third-person shooter that uses four members of a
team which fight in numerous battles.
Freelancer: Video game 4.8/5ModDB85%Metacritic Freelancer
is a space trading and combat simulation video game developed by
Digital Anvil and published by Microsoft Game Studios. It is a
chronological sequel to Digital Anvil's Starlancer, a combat flight
simulator released in 2000.
Starlancer: Computer game Starlancer
is a space-based science fiction flight simulator computer game,
created by Chris Roberts, Erin Roberts, and Warthog PLC under the
auspices of Digital Anvil.
Brute Force: Video game 8.1/10 · IGN.com Brute
Force is a video game released for the Xbox by Microsoft in 2003. The
game is a squad-based third-person shooter that uses four members of a
team which fight in numerous battles.
Freelancer: Video game 4.8/5ModDB85%Metacritic Freelancer
is a space trading and combat simulation video game developed by
Digital Anvil and published by Microsoft Game Studios. It is a
chronological sequel to Digital Anvil's Starlancer, a combat flight
simulator released in 2000.
These are Digital Anvil's games.
I absolutely loved Starlancer and Freelancer.. I am hoping this will be the next step I was hoping for with Freelancer. . just not the huge step they are trying to do. Release a core and then do the rest as DLC or updates etc.
Oh, and Roberts most recent film connection: unreleased, bankrupt, and still under litigation last time I checked. No wonder he had to suddenly rediscover a love for games.
Feel free to post any evidence for it being bankrupt and under litigation.
Have fun
You asked for it.
The movie is Black Water Transit, and it has been in near perpetual litigation since 2009.
Still in litigation:
"In May 2016, Bergstein issued a press release regarding a recent complaint by Aramid Entertainment against its former executive, David Molner. [11] The complaint mentioned the project had gone into litigation, with the repayment of Aramid's a $17.5 million 'Black Water Transit loan' dependent on the outcome. The press release noted that "actions against other firms involved currently remain in litigation.""
"In 2007, he (Tony Kaye) decided to make Black Water Transit, a post-Hurricane Katrina crime drama based on the novel by Carston Stroud, but the production company went bankrupt during filming."
If you want to discuss movies go you can always go create a thread for it.
This forum has quite many threads to read on different subjects so there's more than space to avoid derailing the thread about the development updates of the game to talk about movies.
I read all those articles and the only thing I saw was a comment that the guy who got jailed once worked with CR. I hope that isn't all you have as a reason to post this here because if it is then that is a seriously bad troll post. So what exactly IS the connection because looking into it I cannot see one. CR is not listed on the credits for the film, his production company is not listed...what is the connection?
I read all those articles and the only thing I saw was a comment that the guy who got jailed once worked with CR. I hope that isn't all you have as a reason to post this here because if it is then that is a seriously bad troll post. So what exactly IS the connection because looking into it I cannot see one. CR is not listed on the credits for the film, his production company is not listed...what is the connection?
CR is listed as executive producer for Black Water Transit on IMDB.com.
Comments
Also quote the whole reply and not leave out a part that explains everything. You look desperate when you cherry pick statements to try and prove your point.
I DID state that they are world wide experts.
I am not a fan of posting quote trains half a page high like some others do. If someone wants to know the whole reply, he is free to scroll up. If YOU believe that makes me look desparate .... i MAY be able to survive that .....barely ....
Have fun
know the fun thing about this forum though? It puts a handy link in long quotes that says "show previous quotes" so you don't have to worry about posting quote trains. I know you can survive it because you are somehow still a fan of SC so we all know your stubbornness lol
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Imaginarium did do mocap for Age of Ultron and Star Wars, which does tend to towards consideration as top drawer and expensive. Even if they were only slightly above industry standard, a two month shoot with many hours of capture is a serious expense.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Have fun
Garriott has Starr Long onboard to try to curb his excesses. Though he failed during Tabula Rasa's long development. The SotA setup was originally conceived as a wild steampunk project, but fans and investors only wanted retread Ultima Online. Some of the original concept art can now be found at Denis Loubet's art site:
http://denisloubet.tumblr.com/
Roberts always aims unrealistically high. Granted that immersion is his best contribution. The choice to aim for high end PC hardware was also a good one, imo. His 'vision' will always expand to the amount of money available - without any guarantee of being able to deliver on it. He's not a competent project manager. As D. Jennings put it, he has no sense of scale. Bootlaces are as important as getting the spaceships to fly right. Unless Erin can really ride herd on him, he will go until he runs out of money. Exactly what happened to him at Digital Anvil, and with Freelancer. So I guess hardcore fans really should buy more ship jpegs.
It's one thing to make mistakes. Everyone does. It's another to never learn from those lessons, and continue to repeat them.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Have fun
You know as well as I that Erin, Tony, and the others couldn't manage it at Digital Anvil. Chris's big head has now probably gotten too large for even them to work around.
I suspect a toga clad Roberts will be fiddling as the Spaceships burn....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
You may have old information about the Digital Anvil era, but its outdated by at least a decade.
Have fun
* Mercenary
* Courier / Cargo Transport
* Piracy
* Smuggling
* Salvage
* Mining
http://imperialnews.network/2016/07/around-the-verse-episode-2-38-part-3/
Have fun
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Maranthoric ~ La 4ieme Prophetie ~ Level 160 (5x) HE/Feu (de retour)
Leonthoric[DDC] ~ EVE online ~ <Fire The "Laser"> (retired)
BTW, you donated, you didn't invest.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Consider: if you are buying some standard item - a blu-ray say - you might decide to go for the cheapest even though its coming from some unknown retailer and will take two weeks. Or you might decide to pay a little more and go with a known retailer and next day delivery. Price is a big factor but at some point dealer reputation kicks in. If its a cheap item though and time is not a factor cheapest could still win.
Now consider you are tasked with choosing a firm / venue for a friend or sibling's wedding. Do you still go for the unknown but cheap? Maybe - cost might be a big factor. However you might be more inclined to go with a firm with some history. In this case time is a factor. And maybe things might change so should you go for a company that can be flexible if things change; or deploy more staff if they fall behind?. Which is what most big companies actually do. Its a risk averse choice. And "well-known" contracted companies reputations often suffer if they fail to deliver even if its not their "direct fault" - so they work for a win-win.
For SC going with a well known company also gives SC some extra credibility and some promotion.
They may have been able to get the same result - or better - with a small, cheap team. If they had gone that route there would have been a lot of posters, imo, lambasting them. And woe betide if the small team didn't deliver. You maybe?
They made a choice; a safe choice. It may not have been the cheapest option - I don't know - but like a wedding this is something that has to deliver for SC. And I suspect most backers are happy with that.
Pretty funny, since Roberts game work is outdated by over two decades!
Digital Anvil is the one time when Roberts was completely in charge. And he delivered: Nothing, nada, zippo. Where did all that money go?
Yeah, Erin is pretty much the only chance they've got. But, as mentioned above, even that didn't work at DA.
Oh, and Roberts most recent film connection: unreleased, bankrupt, and still under litigation last time I checked. No wonder he had to suddenly rediscover a love for games.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Have fun
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You asked for it.
The movie is Black Water Transit, and it has been in near perpetual litigation since 2009.
Still in litigation:
"In May 2016, Bergstein issued a press release regarding a recent complaint by Aramid Entertainment against its former executive, David Molner. [11] The complaint mentioned the project had gone into litigation, with the repayment of Aramid's a $17.5 million 'Black Water Transit loan' dependent on the outcome. The press release noted that "actions against other firms involved currently remain in litigation.""
from the wiki.
and, http://screenrant.com/completed-films-never-released/?view=all
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/capitol-settles-black-water-transit-19109
Bankruptcy:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/david-bergstein-aramid-lawsuit-settlement-ron-tutor-828822/
"In 2007, he (Tony Kaye) decided to make Black Water Transit, a post-Hurricane Katrina crime drama based on the novel by Carston Stroud, but the production company went bankrupt during filming."
https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2015/jun/02/not-coming-soon-david-o-russell-accidental-love
http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2010/06/new_orleans-shot_crime_drama_b.html
More fun stuff from Ascendant pictures: Here's a story on former Ascendant producer honcho Christopher Eberts...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/producer-christopher-eberts-sentenced-four-809013
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
This forum has quite many threads to read on different subjects so there's more than space to avoid derailing the thread about the development updates of the game to talk about movies.