I also take issue with calling games that permit players to freely move through the world with no fear of attack due to flagging or level based restrictions open world PVP hence titles such as WOW and BDO don't really qualify.
But that is why we have this thing called free for all PVP (FFA). IF we're going to be sticklers about words and all . Which means attackable by all at all times. World PVP just means the PVP isn't separated into zones or BG matches.
Ahh, but I agree with precision in words, so FFA PVP applies to games which permit players to form their own teams and not be assigned a premade faction.
EVE, L1/L2, SB, DF, DAOC red servers all qualify. WOW, ESO, DAOC blue servers and LOTRO don't meet this definition.
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ive been playing LOTRO and Ettemoors for 9 years now , and i cant tell you how many times in raid/chat/voice/worldchat/guildchat .. the phrases..
"We Won" "We Lost" "We got this " "We got our butts kicked " "We are going to lose here"
i wonder what we have been winning and losing .. its capture x keep , capture x outposts .. and then it will announce that Free Peoples of Middle Earth have won a Victory ...and buff kicks in
go figure
Once again when you captured a keep or artifact in DAoC have you won the game or won a battle in a never ending war?
I always felt PVP on DAOC blue servers was pointless (still do on the private server today in fact) due to the mechanics you descibe.
Today when they call goes out, they are taking our keeps, my reaction is, So? Who cares? We'll just take it back later.
When I was on Mordred my guild claimed a specific Keep as our own which we would relentlessly defend or attack anyone who tried to hold it.
You weren't permitted to PVE anywhere near "our" keep and those caught trespassing were given the choice to pay tribuut to be allowed to leave in peace or be killed. Clan enemies were just killed outright, no quarter permitted.
Guess thats why I enjoy EVE despite being mostly a carebear.
As the most famous man in the world might say, I dont always PVP, but when I do it is with deliberate purpose.
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Could you name a MMOs in which the entire world has Open PvP?
I wouldn't really call anything found in EVE high sec "Open PvP." It's stretching the definition of open quite a bit to say that you have Open PvP when you have to pay ISK to declare wars against specific guilds to not get concorded if you attack anyone.
It's not Darkfall or Mortal. Their main cities function much like EVE high sec. Didn't play Shadowbane but a quick search found so references to safezones so that's not it apparently.
So obviously the definition isn't that "The World has Open PvP."
Can we have a definition that actually fits at least a couple MMOs?
Well other than "PvP in an Open World" which fits many areas in many MMOs and actually seems to be a meaningful definition.
ive been playing LOTRO and Ettemoors for 9 years now , and i cant tell you how many times in raid/chat/voice/worldchat/guildchat .. the phrases..
"We Won" "We Lost" "We got this " "We got our butts kicked " "We are going to lose here"
i wonder what we have been winning and losing .. its capture x keep , capture x outposts .. and then it will announce that Free Peoples of Middle Earth have won a Victory ...and buff kicks in
go figure
Once again when you captured a keep or artifact in DAoC have you won the game or won a battle in a never ending war?
I always felt PVP on DAOC blue servers was pointless (still do on the private server today in fact) due to the mechanics you descibe.
Today when they call goes out, they are taking our keeps, my reaction is, So? Who cares? We'll just take it back later.
When I was on Mordred my guild claimed a specific Keep as our own which we would relentlessly defend or attack anyone who tried to hold it.
You weren't permitted to PVE anywhere near "our" keep and those caught trespassing were given the choice to pay tribuut to be allowed to leave in peace or be killed. Clan enemies were just killed outright, no quarter permitted.
Guess thats why I enjoy EVE despite being mostly a carebear.
As the most famous man in the world might say, I dont always PVP, but when I do it is with deliberate purpose.
I am going to bring up the much hated wow pvp. I always loved Alterac Valley and Arathi Basin because they had objectives beyond simple killing. AV was a kind of ruined by the 15 minute runs it turned into but still sometimes there is fun.
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Could you name a MMOs in which the entire world has Open PvP?
I wouldn't really call anything found in EVE high sec "Open PvP." It's stretching the definition of open quite a bit to say that you have Open PvP when you have to pay ISK to declare wars against specific guilds to not get concorded if you attack anyone.
It's not Darkfall or Mortal. Their main cities function much like EVE high sec. Didn't play Shadowbane but a quick search found so references to safezones so that's not it apparently.
So obviously the definition isn't that "The World has Open PvP."
Can we have a definition that actually fits at least a couple MMOs?
Well other than "PvP in an Open World" which fits many areas in many MMOs and actually seems to be a meaningful definition.
I remember being able to PvP in Vanilla WoW everywhere, except maybe in dungeon and raid instances.
@Laserit - For the limited time I played vanilla WoW, I remember the first few zones being safezones for your faction. Even on PvP servers.
If memory serves me right you could freely PvP in Eldwin, Duratar, etc. etc. no problem. Survivng the Guards in the starter areas might be a different story though, I was never a griefer so I really couldn't say.
ive been playing LOTRO and Ettemoors for 9 years now , and i cant tell you how many times in raid/chat/voice/worldchat/guildchat .. the phrases..
"We Won" "We Lost" "We got this " "We got our butts kicked " "We are going to lose here"
i wonder what we have been winning and losing .. its capture x keep , capture x outposts .. and then it will announce that Free Peoples of Middle Earth have won a Victory ...and buff kicks in
go figure
Once again when you captured a keep or artifact in DAoC have you won the game or won a battle in a never ending war?
I always felt PVP on DAOC blue servers was pointless (still do on the private server today in fact) due to the mechanics you descibe.
Today when they call goes out, they are taking our keeps, my reaction is, So? Who cares? We'll just take it back later.
When I was on Mordred my guild claimed a specific Keep as our own which we would relentlessly defend or attack anyone who tried to hold it.
You weren't permitted to PVE anywhere near "our" keep and those caught trespassing were given the choice to pay tribuut to be allowed to leave in peace or be killed. Clan enemies were just killed outright, no quarter permitted.
Guess thats why I enjoy EVE despite being mostly a carebear.
As the most famous man in the world might say, I dont always PVP, but when I do it is with deliberate purpose.
I am going to bring up the much hated wow pvp. I always loved Alterac Valley and Arathi Basin because they had objectives beyond simple killing. AV was a kind of ruined by the 15 minute runs it turned into but still sometimes there is fun.
I loved the Original Alterac Valley. I accumulated over 30k honorable kills in there back in the day. It sucked when they nerfed it.
@Laserit - For the limited time I played vanilla WoW, I remember the first few zones being safezones for your faction. Even on PvP servers.
If memory serves me right you could freely PvP in Eldwin, Duratar, etc. etc. no problem. Survivng the Guards in the starter areas might be a different story though, I was never a griefer so I really couldn't say.
I remember when they killed that Tauren chief the bull they would kill a lot of players too. So PvP servers they were no real safe zones.
@Laserit - For the limited time I played vanilla WoW, I remember the first few zones being safezones for your faction. Even on PvP servers.
If memory serves me right you could freely PvP in Eldwin, Duratar, etc. etc. no problem. Survivng the Guards in the starter areas might be a different story though, I was never a griefer so I really couldn't say.
I remember when they killed that Tauren chief the bull they would kill a lot of players too. So PvP servers they were no real safe zones.
That's due to the mechanics of the zone. It works the same way in most Themeparks. If you go into an enemy zone they can attack you, but if an enemy comes into your zone they can't attack you UNTIL you attack them.
People would wipe from PvE raids of the opposing faction only because they attacked first, opening themselves up for retaliation.
When I played a gnome for a bit in Vanilla WoW I remember orcs running through our starter area way over my level and having emote battles with them because they couldn't attack my level 6 butt, and I sure wasn't going to attack their level 40 butt. And this was on an RP-PvP server.
@Laserit - For the limited time I played vanilla WoW, I remember the first few zones being safezones for your faction. Even on PvP servers.
If memory serves me right you could freely PvP in Eldwin, Duratar, etc. etc. no problem. Survivng the Guards in the starter areas might be a different story though, I was never a griefer so I really couldn't say.
I remember when they killed that Tauren chief the bull they would kill a lot of players too. So PvP servers they were no real safe zones.
That's due to the mechanics of the zone. It works the same way in most Themeparks. If you go into an enemy zone they can attack you, but if an enemy comes into your zone they can't attack you UNTIL you attack them.
People would wipe from PvE raids of the opposing faction only because they attacked first, opening themselves up for retaliation.
When I played a gnome for a bit in Vanilla WoW I remember orcs running through our starter area way over my level and having emote battles with them because they couldn't attack my level 6 butt, and I sure wasn't going to attack their level 40 butt. And this was on an RP-PvP server.
You would have been playing on a PVE or RP -PVE server then. You could voluntary PvP everywhere on those rule sets, you just had to flag. If you attacked someone who was flagged while you weren't, you would automatically flag, A flag would last for 5 minutes from you last attack.
edit: Also on those rule sets, if you attacked an NPC of the opposite faction, it would also flag you.
It's hard to find data for "Where starter zones safe in Vanilla WoW" or "When were contested territories introduced"
This is the best I could find. It's a video of someone starting a character in Vanilla WoW. At the start of the video you see they pick a PvP server. The zone registered as green for them when they start out. Which means safezone.
Compare to this video of vanilla WoW Open World PvP where the zone is yellow, because horde and alliance can freely attack each other there.
If you were getting attacked in starter zones in vanilla WoW you may have be making a classic newb mistake and attacking first when you saw red.
It's hard to find data for "Where starter zones safe in Vanilla WoW" or "When were contested territories introduced"
This is the best I could find. It's a video of someone starting a character in Vanilla WoW. At the start of the video you see they pick a PvP server. The zone registered as green for them when they start out. Which means safezone.
Compare to this video of vanilla WoW Open World PvP where the zone is yellow, because horde and alliance can freely attack each other there.
If you were getting attacked in starter zones in vanilla WoW you may have be making a classic newb mistake and attacking first when you saw red.
I can't remember what most of the starter area's were called. They were very small area's guarded by NPC's. The Orc/Troll starter area was called The Valley of Trials If a member of an opposing faction tried to enter they would be promptly slaughter by the guards. I don't know if that was the only restriction.
These areas were very small, probably about 1/10 the size of a zone. So are you saying that because of these small starter area's that it makes WoW not an Open World PvP game?
If you're going to define it as "The WORLD is Open PvP" then yes. By your definition I would not define it that way. If we are placing that much emphasis on the the world itself being PVP it seems illogical that it would mean "Well... the whole world, except those parts."
I would say it's an Open World though, and that PvP that takes place in it would be Open World PvP.
Especially since the syntax of the phrase suggests that very thing. "Open World PvP" as opposed to "Open PvP World." Putting the word you are describing with the other two words in the middle of the phrase makes no sense.
Also Open PvP isn't a very commonly used phrase and Open World is:
Well this Poll has been open now for 24 hours and at an overwhelming nearly 4 to 1 vote , This community decision is that . Ettenmoors is NOT an OPen World PvP experience ...
Thx to everyone that participated was pretty interesting reading peoples thoughts on both sides of the discussion ...
This wasnt intended to downplay or trash Ettenmoors at all , Ive been running my Orc in it for 9 years and rather enjoy the experience it brings .. But is in no way the same OpenWorld PvP Eveperience i have had in games like UO,Eve,Darkfall etc .. for many of the reasons that folks listed here ...
Everyones experience will vary and what they take away from it , but for this community ,which i have been a member of for 11 years now Does not feel that Ettenmoors is an OPENWORLD experience ..
I really think the group we have here really brings a huge amount of experience and insight into a discussion like this , we have a very strong contingent of veteran players here offer great advice , Whichever side you are on ...........
But thats why were here , if some dev actually managed to put out a game that we all agreed on , in everyway , we would have nothing to discuss...........
But no matter what ...when in the Ettenmmors .. Never run ... and Always Die in Style
But thats why were here , if some dev actually managed to put out a game that we all agreed on , in everyway , we would have nothing to discuss...........
But thats why were here , if some dev actually managed to put out a game that we all agreed on , in everyway , we would have nothing to discuss...........
I disagree Scorch
We'd be discussing what a great game it is
lol ... i dunno man ............. i think without the reason to OPENforum PVP many would opt to play ...
For some reason It turned the first option to text. I'm guessing a problem with the "-". Won't let me redo the poll so just hit "not really" and let us know if you think this question is ridiculous in the comments.
For the record I hit "not really" wishing to hit the top option as well.
(The top option being "Are you joking?! - No")
Now posters are treating the thread as though I created it because I believe the answer is yes. Including someone swearing at me and accusing me of "bullshit demagogy" because I corrected him on my position. An informal poll of "Does Eldurian believe LoL is an MMORPG" would probably turn up an disheartening number of yesses.
If this community can't even bother to read before the start freaking out about something that a clear falsehood, can we trust that they know things such as?
The true definition of Open World PvP
What the Ettenmoors are like
What the Ettenmoors even are
I would say absolutely not. Posing a yes or no question with no option for people to even say "I don't know" to a community of whom many don't even necessarily have a basic working knowledge of the subject, and whom breeze through topics without reading enough to even pick up the basic facts sometimes.
That's not a reliable source of data. And that's why I'm going to trust what my search results said over a convenience sample of people who's knowledge of the subject is unknown. People can attack my "English professor from Singapore" source but at least we know he has an in depth knowledge of what he's talking about given the level of details included in his paper, where half this forum is probably like "Etten-what?"
Congratulations. As I think was said multiple times before. If it makes you happy to call it Open World PvP then call it that. If it makes you happy to call it green bologna go ahead and do that too! If it makes you happy to use your "English professor from Singapore source" with 60 views... go right ahead!
Just be happy!
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You really do have an obsession with popularity. Did you expect an academic paper written on an obscure gaming subject to have more than 60 views? The point is the level of research that went into that paper puts him many cuts above your average forum poster that skims the original post of a topic then makes an outraged response without even reading most of what was said.
That's why I keep emphasizing that the definitions I've pulled have been from posters who are articulate at expressing their point of view. It shows that they have actually put thought into the subject, and are capable of a level of thought that ends in an articulate/well spoken position.
When you compare a source like this:
"'Open World' is of course anything that takes place in the open world - ie: you don't need to load into an instance, it's part of the rest of the game world and take place anywhere within it.
By definition then, Open World PVP is PVP that takes place within the world itself rather than shut away in an instance. If you can PVP in the persistent world, and others can witness/see it while going about their business then it's open world."
To a source like this:
"A third of the territories (or more) are not PVP zones. And you cant flag against your own faction. So you say Archeage is open PVP? I can respond with WoW is open PVP then.
If you are looking for true open world PVP, play Eve."
It becomes pretty obvious who is giving thoughtful measured responses, and who is flailing their fingers across a keyboard.
You really do have an obsession with popularity. Did you expect an academic paper written on an obscure gaming subject to have more than 60 views? The point is the level of research that went into that paper puts him many cuts above your average forum poster that skims the original post of a topic then makes an outraged response without even reading most of what was said.
That's why I keep emphasizing that the definitions I've pulled have been from posters who are articulate at expressing their point of view. It shows that they have actually put thought into the subject, and are capable of a level of thought that ends in an articulate/well spoken position.
When you compare a source like this:
"'Open World' is of course anything that takes place in the open world - ie: you don't need to load into an instance, it's part of the rest of the game world and take place anywhere within it.
By definition then, Open World PVP is PVP that takes place within the world itself rather than shut away in an instance. If you can PVP in the persistent world, and others can witness/see it while going about their business then it's open world."
To a source like this:
"A third of the territories (or more) are not PVP zones. And you cant flag against your own faction. So you say Archeage is open PVP? I can respond with WoW is open PVP then.
If you are looking for true open world PVP, play Eve."
It becomes pretty obvious who is giving thoughtful measured responses, and who is flailing their fingers across a keyboard.
You seem obsessed with getting us to "admit" you are right. Not going to happen. Even if you go get Steven Hawking to write a paper on the Ettenmoors for you because this is probably the one thing in the universe (or multiverse) that I know more about than he does. More importantly, if we are so uneducated on the subject WHY DOES IT MATTER TO YOU?
If it makes you happy to call it Open World PvP then call it that. If it makes you happy to call it green bologna go ahead and do that too!
Just be happy...
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EVE, L1/L2, SB, DF, DAOC red servers all qualify. WOW, ESO, DAOC blue servers and LOTRO don't meet this definition.
Care to extend the discussion to "Full Loot?"
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sure, it's red on THAT spot. but the ball? is blue
open world pvp obviously means the WORLD has OPEN PVP, and not some zones
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Today when they call goes out, they are taking our keeps, my reaction is, So? Who cares? We'll just take it back later.
When I was on Mordred my guild claimed a specific Keep as our own which we would relentlessly defend or attack anyone who tried to hold it.
You weren't permitted to PVE anywhere near "our" keep and those caught trespassing were given the choice to pay tribuut to be allowed to leave in peace or be killed. Clan enemies were just killed outright, no quarter permitted.
Guess thats why I enjoy EVE despite being mostly a carebear.
As the most famous man in the world might say, I dont always PVP, but when I do it is with deliberate purpose.
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Could you name a MMOs in which the entire world has Open PvP?
I wouldn't really call anything found in EVE high sec "Open PvP." It's stretching the definition of open quite a bit to say that you have Open PvP when you have to pay ISK to declare wars against specific guilds to not get concorded if you attack anyone.
It's not Darkfall or Mortal. Their main cities function much like EVE high sec. Didn't play Shadowbane but a quick search found so references to safezones so that's not it apparently.
So obviously the definition isn't that "The World has Open PvP."
Can we have a definition that actually fits at least a couple MMOs?
Well other than "PvP in an Open World" which fits many areas in many MMOs and actually seems to be a meaningful definition.
I am going to bring up the much hated wow pvp. I always loved Alterac Valley and Arathi Basin because they had objectives beyond simple killing. AV was a kind of ruined by the 15 minute runs it turned into but still sometimes there is fun.
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IMHO too many whining for instant gratification.
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People would wipe from PvE raids of the opposing faction only because they attacked first, opening themselves up for retaliation.
When I played a gnome for a bit in Vanilla WoW I remember orcs running through our starter area way over my level and having emote battles with them because they couldn't attack my level 6 butt, and I sure wasn't going to attack their level 40 butt. And this was on an RP-PvP server.
edit: Also on those rule sets, if you attacked an NPC of the opposite faction, it would also flag you.
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It's hard to find data for "Where starter zones safe in Vanilla WoW" or "When were contested territories introduced"
This is the best I could find. It's a video of someone starting a character in Vanilla WoW. At the start of the video you see they pick a PvP server. The zone registered as green for them when they start out. Which means safezone.
Compare to this video of vanilla WoW Open World PvP where the zone is yellow, because horde and alliance can freely attack each other there.
If you were getting attacked in starter zones in vanilla WoW you may have be making a classic newb mistake and attacking first when you saw red.
If you go with the definition of Open World PvP = PvP in an Open World then you must simply have PvP in an Open World to satisfy that condition.
If you go with the definition of Open World PvP = the World is Open PvP then you must have Open PvP everywhere to satisfy that condition.
A flagging system is anything but "Open PvP".
These areas were very small, probably about 1/10 the size of a zone. So are you saying that because of these small starter area's that it makes WoW not an Open World PvP game?
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If you're going to define it as "The WORLD is Open PvP" then yes. By your definition I would not define it that way. If we are placing that much emphasis on the the world itself being PVP it seems illogical that it would mean "Well... the whole world, except those parts."
I would say it's an Open World though, and that PvP that takes place in it would be Open World PvP.
Especially since the syntax of the phrase suggests that very thing. "Open World PvP" as opposed to "Open PvP World." Putting the word you are describing with the other two words in the middle of the phrase makes no sense.
Also Open PvP isn't a very commonly used phrase and Open World is:
Thx to everyone that participated was pretty interesting reading peoples thoughts on both sides of the discussion ...
This wasnt intended to downplay or trash Ettenmoors at all , Ive been running my Orc in it for 9 years and rather enjoy the experience it brings .. But is in no way the same OpenWorld PvP Eveperience i have had in games like UO,Eve,Darkfall etc .. for many of the reasons that folks listed here ...
Everyones experience will vary and what they take away from it , but for this community ,which i have been a member of for 11 years now Does not feel that Ettenmoors is an OPENWORLD experience ..
I really think the group we have here really brings a huge amount of experience and insight into a discussion like this , we have a very strong contingent of veteran players here offer great advice , Whichever side you are on ...........
But thats why were here , if some dev actually managed to put out a game that we all agreed on , in everyway , we would have nothing to discuss...........
But no matter what ...when in the Ettenmmors .. Never run ... and Always Die in Style
We'd be discussing what a great game it is
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So I make this topic as on of my counters to someone who does believe this community is full of experts telling me games like LoL are MMOs.
2nd post says this:
(The top option being "Are you joking?! - No")
Now posters are treating the thread as though I created it because I believe the answer is yes. Including someone swearing at me and accusing me of "bullshit demagogy" because I corrected him on my position. An informal poll of "Does Eldurian believe LoL is an MMORPG" would probably turn up an disheartening number of yesses.
If this community can't even bother to read before the start freaking out about something that a clear falsehood, can we trust that they know things such as?
- The true definition of Open World PvP
- What the Ettenmoors are like
- What the Ettenmoors even are
I would say absolutely not. Posing a yes or no question with no option for people to even say "I don't know" to a community of whom many don't even necessarily have a basic working knowledge of the subject, and whom breeze through topics without reading enough to even pick up the basic facts sometimes.That's not a reliable source of data. And that's why I'm going to trust what my search results said over a convenience sample of people who's knowledge of the subject is unknown. People can attack my "English professor from Singapore" source but at least we know he has an in depth knowledge of what he's talking about given the level of details included in his paper, where half this forum is probably like "Etten-what?"
Just be happy!
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That's why I keep emphasizing that the definitions I've pulled have been from posters who are articulate at expressing their point of view. It shows that they have actually put thought into the subject, and are capable of a level of thought that ends in an articulate/well spoken position.
When you compare a source like this:
"'Open World' is of course anything that takes place in the open world - ie: you don't need to load into an instance, it's part of the rest of the game world and take place anywhere within it.
By definition then, Open World PVP is PVP that takes place within the world itself rather than shut away in an instance. If you can PVP in the persistent world, and others can witness/see it while going about their business then it's open world."
To a source like this:
"A third of the territories (or more) are not PVP zones. And you cant flag against your own faction. So you say Archeage is open PVP? I can respond with WoW is open PVP then.
If you are looking for true open world PVP, play Eve."
It becomes pretty obvious who is giving thoughtful measured responses, and who is flailing their fingers across a keyboard.
If it makes you happy to call it Open World PvP then call it that. If it makes you happy to call it green bologna go ahead and do that too!
Just be happy...
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