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If You Love SWG, You Should Quit. NOW.

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  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by admriker444

     In my opinion its unethical and immoral to play SWG as it rewards SOE for its blatantly bad behavior.


    Succinct. Eloquent. True dat.

    /bow

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    I respect your opinion , If you feel the players are to blame . That is something I will not argue with you about , You have your opinon I have mine . Hell you may even be close to right , If so many people didn't take what we had before for granted . Those who spent their time constantly complaining about how the game used to be , Are just as much as fault as anyone else .

    But as for playing now , The only reason I am is because of friends . My best friend actually just went out and bought it yesterday , No I didn't even talk him into it . He just called and said he was on his way home with it . We actually had a blast playing together last night . I actually prefer using the toon I recently made over the one  i have had for almost 3 years now . I guess it kinda makes me forget about what the game used to be .

    The only thing I have to say in disagreement with you is , I feel your approach is a little off base . You should also consider what makes life great , entitlement of a right to your own opinion . Rather than look at a player as your enemy , realize they (A few around here and I ) have our own reasons why we continue to play . Some trully enjoy the game , Some simply can't find anything else they enjoy playing , Some use it as a means to keep in touch with old friends . Fact is there is an endless list of reasons people play . Judging their intelligence or them as whole by deciding to play a (Videogame ) Is a bit close minded IMO .


    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by Malickiebloo
    I respect your opinion , If you feel the players are to blame . That is something I will not argue with you about , You have your opinon I have mine . Hell you may even be close to right , If so many people didn't take what we had before for granted . Those who spent their time constantly complaining about how the game used to be , Are just as much as fault as anyone else .

    But as for playing now , The only reason I am is because of friends . My best friend actually just went out and bought it yesterday , No I didn't even talk him into it . He just called and said he was on his way home with it . We actually had a blast playing together last night . I actually prefer using the toon I recently made over the one  i have had for almost 3 years now . I guess it kinda makes me forget about what the game used to be .

    The only thing I have to say in disagreement with you is , I feel your approach is a little off base . You should also consider what makes life great , entitlement of a right to your own opinion . Rather than look at a player as your enemy , realize they (A few around here and I ) have our own reasons why we continue to play . Some trully enjoy the game , Some simply can't find anything else they enjoy playing , Some use it as a means to keep in touch with old friends . Fact is there is an endless list of reasons people play . Judging their intelligence or them as whole by deciding to play a (Videogame ) Is a bit close minded IMO .



    I do not think that those who play NGE and like it are morons. I see such people as genetic oddities who must be treated with respect as human beings but are nonetheless hopelessly bizarre in their gaming tastes.

    I take antagonistic issue with those who play NGE and complain about it. Or play NGE and "hope it gets better". Or play NGE and think it's "so much better than CU or pre-CU". Or play NGE but wish "the servers weren't so empty." I /spit on such people. Honestly. They're pathetic. It's like, d00d, GTFO of the game already and let it die!!!!

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183


    Originally posted by jonaku




    I do not think that those who play NGE and like it are morons. I see such people as genetic oddities who must be treated with respect as human beings but are nonetheless hopelessly bizarre in their gaming tastes.

    I take antagonistic issue with those who play NGE and complain about it. Or play NGE and "hope it gets better". Or play NGE and think it's "so much better than CU or pre-CU". I /spit on such people. Honestly. They're pathetic. It's like, d00d, GTFO of the game already and let it die!!!!


    Ah gotcha , must of misunderstood your original point . It does kind of boggle me a bit to play/pay for something you hate . That is what caused the NGE/CU in the first place IMO .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by Malickiebloo

    Originally posted by jonaku




    I do not think that those who play NGE and like it are morons. I see such people as genetic oddities who must be treated with respect as human beings but are nonetheless hopelessly bizarre in their gaming tastes.

    I take antagonistic issue with those who play NGE and complain about it. Or play NGE and "hope it gets better". Or play NGE and think it's "so much better than CU or pre-CU". I /spit on such people. Honestly. They're pathetic. It's like, d00d, GTFO of the game already and let it die!!!!


    Ah gotcha , must of misunderstood your original point . It does kind of boggle me a bit to play/pay for something you hate .

    It boggles my mind too. But if you look at the posts currently on SWG's boards, about 80% of them are complaining about some facet of NGE (combat too slow, mind crystals non-tradeable, servers are empty, servers need a merger, economy is screwed, entertainers are ignored, traders/crafters will be wiped away, can't level up, XP is screwy, cities need to be cleaned up, why wont there be a rollback, need i go on?)
  • pacashe109pacashe109 Member Posts: 41
    wait combat to slow? its perfect right now but the holding down click thing sucks cock....
  • pacashe109pacashe109 Member Posts: 41
    and wait to hard to lvl i cancelled account then reactivated i was 80 and go to 90 in 2 days then cancelled account
  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281
    sorry, my bad. i meant that combat was too fast and that if you are in certain level areas, you can't grind up unless you have certain expansions.
  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Member UncommonPosts: 2,413

    That is all fine and good if you talk about the guys complaining while still paying month by month.

    What about the dudes who paid for a year in advance, and they ain't getting the money back?  Are they "facilitating" those who robbed them and put this crap in place?

    What if someone has a Station pass, who got it because of EQ2, or have that "Station Pack," because they thought Planet Side was cool, and the EQs, and got this crap thrown in there?  Are they this game's worst enemy too, even if they don't ever log on?

    Yeah I'd agree with the OP if it were as easy as, "if you don't like, then stop giving them money and leave."  Its a lot more complicated than that.  There are SWG subscribers that have never even installed the software, if you count Station Access people as SWG players.

    __________________________
    "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
    --Arcken

    "...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
    --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.

    "It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
    --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE

  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by Beatnik59

    That is all fine and good if you talk about the guys complaining while still paying month by month.
    What about the dudes who paid for a year in advance, and they ain't getting the money back?  Are they "facilitating" those who robbed them and put this crap in place?
    What if someone has a Station pass, who got it because of EQ2, or have that "Station Pack," because they thought Planet Side was cool, and the EQs, and got this crap thrown in there?  Are they this game's worst enemy too, even if they don't ever log on?
    Yeah I'd agree with the OP if it were as easy as, "if you don't like, then stop giving them money and leave."  Its a lot more complicated than that.  There are SWG subscribers that have never even installed the software, if you count Station Access people as SWG players.


    I hereby absolve any player who's stuck in a 3 to 12 month Station pass from any guilt for being an enabling schmuck.

    If you are in Station Pass, then just don't log into SWG. I do not condemn you to fiery pits of Hell in this case.

  • JediGeekJediGeek Member Posts: 446
    I don't completely absolve station pass holders.  By paying SOE to play other games you are still condoning the actions of SOE.  SOE is using station passes to inflate numbers and using station pass to keep SWG afloat with money that should go to other games. 
    By having a station pass you're still approving of SOE's borderline illegal activities, supporting their HORRIBLE CS, and allowing them to continue with the lies and misinformation.
    I'll never play a SOE game again, (unless they bring back pre-cu, I can't resist it) and I haven't bought a LucasArts game in awhile. There are some games I want, but won't give LA any money while THEY continue to allow this mess to go on.


    SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
    Eve: Cardoh Dycen
    I support random drug testing for all SOE employees

  • caine6621caine6621 Member UncommonPosts: 210
    I swear, I want to resub just to see how bad the NGE is.  I loved pre-cu so much I quit because of the CU

    There are only 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those that don't

  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by caine6621
    I swear, I want to resub just to see how bad the NGE is.  I loved pre-cu so much I quit because of the CU


    Go ahead. The experience is quite akin to cutting.

    http://kidshealth.org/teen/your_mind/mental_health/cutting.html

  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Member UncommonPosts: 2,413


    Originally posted by jonaku
    If you are in Station Pass, then just don't log into SWG. I do not condemn you to fiery pits of Hell in this case.


    Cool man.  What about the forums though?  What about the dudes too who are on 12 month SWG subs from when the game was still halfway decent?

    __________________________
    "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
    --Arcken

    "...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
    --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.

    "It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
    --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE

  • jonakujonaku Member Posts: 281


    Originally posted by Beatnik59

    Originally posted by jonaku
    If you are in Station Pass, then just don't log into SWG. I do not condemn you to fiery pits of Hell in this case.

    Cool man.  What about the forums though?  What about the dudes too who are on 12 month SWG subs from when the game was still halfway decent?


    Dude, read the post above again. I already said:

    "I hereby absolve any player who's stuck in a 3 to 12 month Station pass from any guilt for being an enabling schmuck." So if you're stuck in a 12 month sub, I absolve you of any sin, guilt, shame or karmic debt. But when you get to the end of your 12 month subscription, JUST DO NOT RENEW. Cause if you do, you will suffer my ire.


  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Member UncommonPosts: 2,413


    Originally posted by jonaku
    Dude, read the post above again. I already said:
    "I hereby absolve any player who's stuck in a 3 to 12 month Station pass from any guilt for being an enabling schmuck." So if you're stuck in a 12 month sub, I absolve you of any sin, guilt, shame or karmic debt. But when you get to the end of your 12 month subscription, JUST DO NOT RENEW. Cause if you do, you will suffer my ire.



    Hey man I don't want to suffer no ire.  I'm just trying to be clear here.

    1)  You got a right if you had a year long SWG account, and have canceled, but have yet to have it run out, and have not renewed.

    2)  You got a right if you are on Station Access for reasons that have nothing to do with SWG, or did incorporate SWG at one time, but not now.

    3)  If you don't like the game, yet still play anyway, and think the forums are gonna help, you suffer the ire of the jonaku.

    That's cool.  But what about trial accounts, or "comp 2 week passes" to the vets?  What about folk like Obriak who think the NGE is cool stuff?  Or us jamokes here who used to play, ain't subscribed, and become teh hardcore hat0rz 4tw?

    I gotta know man, because I don't want to suffer the ire of the jonakoman.

    __________________________
    "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
    --Arcken

    "...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
    --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.

    "It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
    --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE

  • BogdawsonBogdawson Member Posts: 202

    i have a question for you guys if soe is using station pass to give swg bigger numbers does LA get money for any station pass, like they do when subscibes to just swg. or is it a set price per month/year for IP. And if LA is getting a cut of station pass SOE must be really stupid giving away money for nothing but a dead IP.

    hopefully my question is clear

  • ZapaniZapani Member CommonPosts: 23
    I agree 

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216


    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Bioware alrdy bought the license and heres a msg for obraik (99% chance your reading this)
    jonaku your right let it die and wait another 2-4 years until someone else can make a better SW game and obraik Yes SWG is going to die, its dieing slowly and little by little every day your ignorance is blinding you and the last remaining 10k players playing are the last thread in the rope we once knew as SWG

    So...you choose to ingnore the fact that LA have publicly stated in many places around the internet that the licenses has NOT and will NOT be given to anyone else?  Also the statements from both LA and SOE that the game is not being cancelled?


    and you choose to ignore the other sites that say bioware alrdy bought it?? and its not LA AND SOE it is mostly SOE that said the game wont cancel.....but of course what do you expect from the former SW license holder and yah i do admit LA did say it once they werent gonna sell but why would they say that and find people interested in buying the license?? sounds like something is going on right under $OE's nose


    LucasArts announcing on the SWG forums

    LucasArts announcing on TheForce.net

    LucasArts announcing on MMORadio.com

    LucasArts announcing on MMORPG.com

    You can choose to believe this or not (since you're into conspiracies, I'm gonna guess "Not"), but if you can't even trust what LucasArts is saying, tell me why you want a game from a company that you cannot trust?


    ROFL ARE YOU KIDDING ME? they all say the same thing!! and are from the same site!!! the $OE SITE 3/4s of the people can see past this on these forums, your making yourself look worse it looks like you didnt even read these links, because it sounds like all $OE its got the name LucasArts but even still IF hypotheticaly speaking that was them these links dont even mean that they didnt make a deal with another company to make ANOTHER STAR WARS GAME

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  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216


    Originally posted by jonaku

    Originally posted by Beatnik59

    That is all fine and good if you talk about the guys complaining while still paying month by month.
    What about the dudes who paid for a year in advance, and they ain't getting the money back?  Are they "facilitating" those who robbed them and put this crap in place?
    What if someone has a Station pass, who got it because of EQ2, or have that "Station Pack," because they thought Planet Side was cool, and the EQs, and got this crap thrown in there?  Are they this game's worst enemy too, even if they don't ever log on?
    Yeah I'd agree with the OP if it were as easy as, "if you don't like, then stop giving them money and leave."  Its a lot more complicated than that.  There are SWG subscribers that have never even installed the software, if you count Station Access people as SWG players.

    I hereby absolve any player who's stuck in a 3 to 12 month Station pass from any guilt for being an enabling schmuck.

    If you are in Station Pass, then just don't log into SWG. I do not condemn you to fiery pits of Hell in this case.


    it sounds like you dont understand, you pay for 12 months you get 12 months NO REFUNDS NO CANCELLING IT in the middle of it you payed that 100 some odd $$ for a game that changed for the worst

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    Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
    Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
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  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261


    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Originally posted by Obraik

    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Bioware alrdy bought the license and heres a msg for obraik (99% chance your reading this)
    jonaku your right let it die and wait another 2-4 years until someone else can make a better SW game and obraik Yes SWG is going to die, its dieing slowly and little by little every day your ignorance is blinding you and the last remaining 10k players playing are the last thread in the rope we once knew as SWG

    So...you choose to ingnore the fact that LA have publicly stated in many places around the internet that the licenses has NOT and will NOT be given to anyone else?  Also the statements from both LA and SOE that the game is not being cancelled?


    and you choose to ignore the other sites that say bioware alrdy bought it?? and its not LA AND SOE it is mostly SOE that said the game wont cancel.....but of course what do you expect from the former SW license holder and yah i do admit LA did say it once they werent gonna sell but why would they say that and find people interested in buying the license?? sounds like something is going on right under $OE's nose


    LucasArts announcing on the SWG forums

    LucasArts announcing on TheForce.net

    LucasArts announcing on MMORadio.com

    LucasArts announcing on MMORPG.com

    You can choose to believe this or not (since you're into conspiracies, I'm gonna guess "Not"), but if you can't even trust what LucasArts is saying, tell me why you want a game from a company that you cannot trust?


    ROFL ARE YOU KIDDING ME? they all say the same thing!! and are from the same site!!! the $OE SITE 3/4s of the people can see past this on these forums, your making yourself look worse it looks like you didnt even read these links, because it sounds like all $OE its got the name LucasArts but even still IF hypotheticaly speaking that was them these links dont even mean that they didnt make a deal with another company to make ANOTHER STAR WARS GAME


    No duh they say the same thing.  It's a press release LA sent out to a number of sites that were reporting on the rumour.  When you send out a press release, you send out the same information to all parties involved.

    No, it doesn't rule out another Star Wars MMO, but that's not what I was discussing.

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  • TatsitTatsit Member Posts: 194

    Additionally, LucasArts and SOE will be hitting the road this April and visiting several cities across the US with a series of Community Summits in an open “town hall” format where players can meet face-to-face with development team members, ask their questions, voice their concerns, as well as meet and hang out with fellow Star Wars Galaxies players.

    Julio Torres, Producer - LucasArts

    From what I have read about how SWG has gone in the last little while them going city to city could be bad, like facing an angy mob :P  Grab your pitchforks!  LOL

    Tatsit
    Tantus Games
    COO/Game Director

  • ebenholtebenholt Member Posts: 312

    Even the pro-NGErs thank the anti-crowd for sticking with the game on the SWG forum... I mean when the pro-crowd have already realized that SWG will shut down if the rest of the anti-NGErs cancel then the time has come

    *jedi mind trick* Push that cancel button, let go of the past. Dwelling ingame will only lead to suffering and the dark side!

    "There are two kinds of spurs, my friend. Those that come in by the door; those that come in by the window"

  • ClackamasClackamas Member Posts: 776


    Originally posted by jonaku

    For all you SWG subscribers who continue to subscribe and complain and hope for a better tomorrow, you ARE the very worse thing to happen to SWG. You are singlehandledly responsible for the continuing slow death of this game. Why? Because your subscriptions continue to fund the incompetence at SOE. You're like the mother who continue to let her alcoholic heroine-addicted son live in her basement for 10 years and then wonders why he doesn't spontaneously get a life and get a job. It's called ENABLEMENT people.
    When I see those posts on swg.com complaining about NGE bugs or lack of features, it truly sickens me. These people are complete and utter morons.
    If you love the game, you should quit it and stay quitted until the game goes bankrupt and SOE/LA have NO FINANCIAL CHOICE but to give the license to another company or do a mea culpa roll-back.
    Until then, I say the greatest enemy, the greatest parasitic plague on the once great pre-CU SWG are the current subscribers.


    Lets see, who is a moron.  You mean to say, you think all the vets that are still subbing are paying month to month?  Did you miss the issue where a lot of vets PRE-PAID?  Did you miss the point that if SOE wasn't going to refund, that were going to have fun being critical of the game to at least get some satisfaction out of their spent money?

    And the only twisted truth in your rant are the current fanbois subscribers who don't demand a whole lot.
    They are the enemy of people everywhere.

    It truely sickens me to see Star Wars and Iconic supports being duped by SOE and LA.  The NGE does suck.  Noone should play it, it should be shutdown.  Smedley should be fired.  and Julio, well, he should join Smedley.

  • RuwinRuwin Member Posts: 89

    They turned this game into a joke......plain and simple.

    I cancelled 2 accounts.

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