Oh I love a good Monday Morning conversation. Let's break just one of your posts down one by one.
First what you call "Poll Manipulation" isn't what MMORPG calls poll manipulation.
PLEASE NOTE: Manipulation of the hype-meter will result in the reset and disabling of this game's ratings. Examples of manipulation include (but are not limited to): creating multiple accounts in order to drive up the rating, developers encouraging fans to vote the rating to a specific number, and the offering of incentives for fans to vote up the rating (such as in-game rewards). I have not created multiple accounts in order to drive up the rating. I am not a developer thus that part is irrelevant I have offered no incentive to vote up the rating
What has actually happened here is a fan of the game (that's me) posted a link to the MMORPG Hype meter in the official discord community for the game.
So next up we have you calling people a shill. Now the definitions you have pulled come from Wikipedia, so not the best definitions in the world.
We could use ones from the actual dictionary since they are better.
a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house,auction, confidence game, etc.
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
Well, I can't really be a shill according to the first definition because I'm not posing as a customer, I am in fact a customer. As far as the second definition, sure yeah I benefit if the game comes out, if the game comes out better I benefit more.
Now as far as "slagging" three of the other four games (and for my American friends slagging refers to insulting or mocking something) none of the comments I gave were insults. It is not an insult to call a dead man dead, and thus it is not in insult to say the true things that I have said.
Camelot Unchained has been in development for 5 years (Technically six , but if someone releases something on December 23, 2012 its pretty uncool to count 2012 in their development years). They have missed 3 deadlines (Including the July 4 to July 31 push on Beta 1) and Beta 1 is under NDA.
Crowfall did in fact sell off their engine to be used by another MMO maker before they actually published Crowfall.
CoE did in fact have to push the game to the left over 1 year. They did in fact lay off people because they are having funding issues. The owner did in fact have some shady things to say about the kickstarter money. You can check out an article about the money needed shell game here (https://mmos.com/news/soulbound-studios-needs-around-3-million-finish-chronicles-elyria)
There is also always this, since you seem to think I"m slagging on them, I'm just posting the truth. The CEO of the company "we never imagined people would be surprised the game would require more money to finish"
Yes, of course not, you told them $900,000 is what you needed, then it was $2M but $3M would be better.
So I'm not sure which of those three games is your baby and the one you want to see be the best game out there, but all I've said is the truth about them. If that's slagging on them, then the truth must hurt. Also, quite ironically I was a supporter of both Crowfall and CoE, but when you have developers missing deadlines left and right, and then you find out about the shady stuff companies do and say well
As far as if I am part of the Referral Program, yes absolutely I am. As far as your accusation about me "haven't revealed as much (yet)" uh this thread was not the appropriate place for me to referral link drop, however, I never in any way hide the fact that I have a referral link. Not sure how that is relevant though, I have a referral link for CoE as well, didn't drop that one here. I have a referral link for Fractured, didn't drop that one here either.
Hmm, so when you initially replied to the OP and stated "It's Easy:" you should have mentioned posting of the hype meter link in the Ashes Discord and stopped there as question was answered, right?
Instead you offered observations on all 4 titles which you claim you factually reported on.
1) CU - "production quality is so low they keep their Beta 1 under NDA" - You know for a fact this is true? Perhaps the performance and quality is only good and Mark wants to be sure it is great before the NDA comes down. Slag #1.
2) Crowfall - " while at the same time still having Unity assets they need to replace" - Yeah, anytime Unity comes up in a MMO discussion its an attempt to cast aspersions (aka slag #2) the devs for using it. Are you sure they must replace these before going live? (Source plz)
3) COE - "Did some shady things with the money shell game. Unsure how this game still has votes. Probably vaproware and will never release." - er, multiple slags here, but I wonder if you recall Steven was involved in his own "money shell game" with regards to Kickstarter and how the referral bonus program "really" works. (Slap will be more than happy to share I'm sure) Be careful throwing stones.
4) Ashes - well as you didn't self identify as a fan (aka white knight) we clearly can see where your loyalties are. Let's break down the "positives"
"Goes into development full funded to a viable core product." - No actual proof the full funding exists, but since they came out like gang busters I'm willing to take Steven at his word. (For now)
"Uses Kickstarter and early sales to ramp up additional products." - Yeah, not sure I buy that as he never published a solid list of features to he included in the minimum marketable product or his other explanation of giving fans the "opportunity" to join in the excitement.
"Within 1 year expands development team to 100 people working on the project."
Very true, though some are in Manilla and its a bit questionable how good those resources are and being roughly 15 hrs into the future it makes coordination with them difficult, especially if part of an agile project which I thought was the model being used.
"Put a playable version in the hands of their players 5 months post kickstarter. " Playable version, I'd be interested in that definition, was it Minimum Viable Product or something less? Also which user group got to test then and in what situations? (Trade show demo or from their homes?)
"Anticipates putting their first true Alpha into the hands within 18/19 months of Kickstarter." Meh, whatever the term "true alpha" means. Alpha 1, Alpha 3, Alpha 15.654?
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All I've learned from this thread is websites that rank their members based on arbitrary things like how often they post here are toxic. I've been lurking on this website for years, and been playing MMO's since EQ days. It's beyond insulting to be told I'm bot and have my opinion discredited just because I don't feel like sitting on this forum all day.
Side note, I like how every person who calls AoC community members bots don't even address our arguments head on. Uninformed cowards.
I'm getting to it, these things (shredding others) takes time....patience, you'll get your turn.
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Pedigree means very little when compared to results. AoC's team is delivering tangible results in a timely matter, and have some fresh ideas. It's not like the devs are ex gas station workers either, so I really don't understand this snobbish attitude some gamers have towards them.
Agreed,
having 'known names' attached doesn't necessarily do anything for the quality of
the final product (e.g. SotA, Might No9), and can even be a detriment in a
number of ways (e.g. the ‘cult’ like status around SotA and Star Citizen).
Compare
that to recent successful* games like Pillars of Eternity / 2, Divinity: OS/2, and even AAA games
like Horizon: Zero Dawn and God of War; all made by highly
experienced and skilled developers, but how many of them could you have named
before those games were released (or even now)?
* By 'successful' I mean commercially, critically and in the minds of most players, making any follow up game (or product) highly likely to attract significant positive attention.
I believe the OP was referring to Steven's credentials as a lead Developer. Lots of questions raised back at the Kickstarter about whether a successful MLM marketer could do the same with a Mmorpg.
He pretty much dispelled all those criticisms when the development came out like gang busters.
Still, how he has managed to accomplish so much in so little time when so many before him failed to do so remains a mystery.
If he pulls it off in the proposed timeline he'll be a candidate for becoming a gaming legend.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
3) COE - "Did some shady things with the money shell game. Unsure how this game still has votes. Probably vaproware and will never release." - er, multiple slags here, but I wonder if you recall Steven was involved in his own "money shell game" with regards to Kickstarter and how the referral bonus program "really" works. (Slap will be more than happy to share I'm sure) Be careful throwing stones.
I could, but I just think the whole argument of the Hype Meter is silly. Plus, asking me to talk about which is shadier (CoE or ASHES) is like asking me to pick which leg to get shot in. I'd put them both in a similar ranking, except one is due to incompetence and the other intentional acts.
On the plus side, you reminded me that Steven owes me money... I have to go see if my referral bank has grown
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Me bringing up their involvement in the community was in response to OG in this thread implying Giga is a shill for posting facts people don't want to hear, similar to what you did to me for having a low post count here:
And how you frame anyone who is interested in AoC as somehow suspicious like what you're doing now with Jahlon. This game has 400,000 people registered on the website, and raised almost 20k backers in one month alone on KS. Our discord has 20k active people on it each day and these articles get shared. There isn't some grand conspiracy to make this game more popular then it actually is.
"Our Discord?" Are you sure you aren't an Ashes company representive?
Subliminal slip I guess.
BTW, no regular poster here brought up term shill, that came from the fan side.
White knighting would have been a better term, shills normally get paid.
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The biggest joke is all of the AoC white knights / affiliate junkies who run around saying the game is fully funded at $30M despite zero evidence and that it is the largest MMO in development even tough Amazon, NC Soft and maybe CCP are working on MMOs.
The oldest trick in the MLM book is to throw around big impressive numbers about your operation like $30M and 100+ staff to pass themselves off as legitimate even though these numbers cannot be verified.
We will see if the decision to use UE4 which has given them good marketing montages and a development head start will pan out.
Now Im not personally involved in anything else than CU, but to me, I dont find it very weird these games ask their base to go upvote the game at all. Its free publicity. If you hate it, do you trash your TV every commercial break? And we are all free to trashtalk the smae game that was upvoted on the forums, which the community DO. So basically here mmorpg gove the games a chance to get some free hype/publicity at the expence of being shredded to pieces on the forums. On a sidenote I do wonder how many of the founders for each of these games care about what happens here
Pedigree means very little when compared to results. AoC's team is delivering tangible results in a timely matter, and have some fresh ideas. It's not like the devs are ex gas station workers either, so I really don't understand this snobbish attitude some gamers have towards them.
Agreed,
having 'known names' attached doesn't necessarily do anything for the quality of
the final product (e.g. SotA, Might No9), and can even be a detriment in a
number of ways (e.g. the ‘cult’ like status around SotA and Star Citizen).
Compare
that to recent successful* games like Pillars of Eternity / 2, Divinity: OS/2, and even AAA games
like Horizon: Zero Dawn and God of War; all made by highly
experienced and skilled developers, but how many of them could you have named
before those games were released (or even now)?
* By 'successful' I mean commercially, critically and in the minds of most players, making any follow up game (or product) highly likely to attract significant positive attention.
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If he (Steven Sharif) pulls it off in the proposed timeline he'll be a candidate for becoming a gaming legend.
Only a candidate? I'll be the first to bow to his legendary greatness!
Developers reach out to their fans, and ask them go on mmorpg.com and vote for them on the hype-meter.
Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?
I don't think many people care about a Hype Meter. That said, the poll is supposed to be a community one. Asking people to come here just to vote skews the poll and it's no longer about what games the community is hyped for, it's not even about what game more external people are hyped for... it becomes a poll of how many people can be motivated to go to a website and vote.
That's quite different from hype. But it would actually be a good thing if more of these people stayed around and maybe engaged in other topics. Growing the community is good. The problem is that they just vote and leave with maybe a few new 1 post wonders dropping off their obligatory "My game is the bestest and the developers are uniquely positioned to change the world!!!"
By registering an account you join the community here. There's no right of passage or a trial anyone needs to pass before they can become a member of this community. You are talking about your personal feelings. You feel this is the way it should be, but it isn't.
I say a developer encouraging their fans to a point that they care enough to register on another website just to vote for them is hype. More power to them.
They sticking around or leaving is irrelevant. And they are free to express their opinion about how their game is the bestest. No one is entitled than anyone else here, as far as I know.
I still fail to see a problem with a dev encouraging their members to vote. That wouldn't make the hyper meter inaccurate, the hype meter has always been inaccurate.
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WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
I'm sure OP cares much less than he used to yesterday; At least we had some laugh.
This thing is all these games have been in development limbo for YEARS. None of them really have anything substantial in the way of a completed game and are still YEARS away from release. I think the perhaps some are more popular because they use unique ideas, but people's hype has been waning for some time. Then we add bs like cashshops and kickstarter rewards and you have even less interest.
Some AAA mmos are sorely needed in the genre to shake things up again.
"Our Discord?" Are you sure you aren't an Ashes company representive?
Subliminal slip I guess.
BTW, no regular poster here brought up term shill, that came from the fan side.
White knighting would have been a better term, shills normally get paid.
This is your idea of shredding me? Just reinforcing my statement that you people hide behind ad hominems and complete jumps in logic rather then actual proof? I said "Our Discord" because the discord is for the Ashes community, which I am apart of.
This whole website is dedicated to informing fans of games about news. What sort of backwards logic makes you people in this thread think fans of AoC are all fake. It's disgusting that in a thread where people are free to attack the game we're interested in and praise others as much as they like uncontested - spreading as much misinformation and outright lies as they want - we're labeled as the bots/shills/white knights for simply coming in and pointing out inaccuracies as we see them. How is that anything BUT a toxic attempt to silence us and our community as a whole.
"Put a playable version in the hands of their players 5 months post kickstarter. " Playable version, I'd be interested in that definition, was it Minimum Viable Product or something less? Also which user group got to test then and in what situations? (Trade show demo or from their homes?)
Even though this wasn't directed at me this just reinforces my point again. The people who seem to be the most vocal and long winded about their doubts concerning AoC, are literally the most uninformed. I've only been following this game closely for a few months and even I know that their KS was in May 2017 and they brought a playable demo to the show floor of PAX in September 2017, just a few months later. They then released Alpha Zero in December 2017 to thousands of at home testers from around the world.
There's tons of stream footage of Intrepid and Press people running around the huge Alpha Zero world from around December, and PAX attendee's in September as well if you just take 2 seconds to google. If you want to discern the quality of the game during those tests, why don't you actually sit down and watch the hours of footage out there. Guess you're too busy forming long rant posts everywhere on this website to do that huh.
Hyping games is a business model that is seen daily in these forums. Anyway they can get your money is the whole goal. Do not be fooled by the exaggerations and overall BS being spewed.
Even though this wasn't directed at me this just reinforces my point again. The people who seem to be the most vocal and long winded about their doubts concerning AoC, are literally the most uninformed.
Go do a search for Pathfinder Online, Mortal Online, Greedmonger, and other earlier hyped games and you will find similar statements made. The people who turned out to be uninformed were the ones backing the projects.
The Wheel of Time turns, and games come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legends fade to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Game that gave it birth comes again. In one Game, called AoC by some, a Game yet to come, a Game long pass, a wind rose in the Mountains of Mist. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings or endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.
They don't call us Harbingers for nothing after all...
Now THAT said, most folks here are giving Steven a longer leash because he hasn't blatantly failed so far. Don't ruin that goodwill by over-sensitivity because someone doesn't love your game (which doesn't exist yet) as much as you do.
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Speaking of vote manipulation, here's an interesting bit of data I just discovered on Ashes of Creation discord:
"Think there are enough people who haven't rated Ashes of Creation on MMORPG.com that could go and get the hype on teh game to over a 9.0? I'm just interested to see if we could make it happen"
As you can see, a couple lines later he even gives the direct link to MMORPG.com's AoC hype page, to make voting easier; We are talking about @jahlon - same name & avatar on MMORPG.com; You can also see his post in the very discussion we are having here, you can guess the content; To spare you scrolling, here's a direct link - https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/comment/7363674/#Comment_7363674
You know that's not manipulation. We've been over this so many times. Any studio or publisher has always been welcome to encourage their fans to vote on support their games here. There used to be contests all the time and we would vote on them. Turbine won some contests years in a row doing the very thing you're throwing up alarms about.
What's not allowed: Offering compensation or favors of any kind. If any of those people do that you know how to get a hold of "Admin".
From the OP, "
How can This Ashes of creation with
unknown/unexperinced devs with not even many content and Choronicles of
Elyria which is just game made out of ideas and with zero gameplay
and all the ideas keep releasing and didnt worked on single of them and
how these 2 even have more votes? how this even possible?"
To which we now understand why at least in the case of Ashes there was a surge ahead in recent weeks.
But there sure was a lot of BS in the middle, I'll grant you that.
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Even though this wasn't directed at me this just reinforces my point again. The people who seem to be the most vocal and long winded about their doubts concerning AoC, are literally the most uninformed.
Go do a search for Pathfinder Online, Mortal Online, Greedmonger, and other earlier hyped games and you will find similar statements made. The people who turned out to be uninformed were the ones backing the projects.
The Wheel of Time turns, and games come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legends fade to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Game that gave it birth comes again. In one Game, called AoC by some, a Game yet to come, a Game long pass, a wind rose in the Mountains of Mist. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings or endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.
They don't call us Harbingers for nothing after all...
Now THAT said, most folks here are giving Steven a longer leash because he hasn't blatantly failed so far. Don't ruin that goodwill by over-sensitivity because someone doesn't love your game (which doesn't exist yet) as much as you do.
Funny story, I actually think Ashes has made tremendous progress and salute Steven for his teams efforts so far.
Tis true, I don't follow the videos (I never, ever watch people play games, just not what I do) but challenging the beliefs of the faithful, that's just what we harbingers are about.
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Developers reach out to their fans, and ask them go on mmorpg.com and vote for them on the hype-meter.
Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?
I don't think many people care about a Hype Meter. That said, the poll is supposed to be a community one. Asking people to come here just to vote skews the poll and it's no longer about what games the community is hyped for, it's not even about what game more external people are hyped for... it becomes a poll of how many people can be motivated to go to a website and vote.
That's quite different from hype. But it would actually be a good thing if more of these people stayed around and maybe engaged in other topics. Growing the community is good. The problem is that they just vote and leave with maybe a few new 1 post wonders dropping off their obligatory "My game is the bestest and the developers are uniquely positioned to change the world!!!"
By registering an account you join the community here. There's no right of passage or a trial anyone needs to pass before they can become a member of this community. You are talking about your personal feelings. You feel this is the way it should be, but it isn't.
I say a developer encouraging their fans to a point that they care enough to register on another website just to vote for them is hype. More power to them.
They sticking around or leaving is irrelevant. And they are free to express their opinion about how their game is the bestest. No one is entitled than anyone else here, as far as I know.
I still fail to see a problem with a dev encouraging their members to vote. That wouldn't make the hyper meter inaccurate, the hype meter has always been inaccurate.
Again... the problem is actually caring about the Hype Meter.
But for discussion sake: YOU asked is "Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?" Which is asking for our personal thoughts on the matter. You then complain that I expressed my personal feelings...
But seriously... WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
I hope they bring 1000 more people and I hope they all stay and join the community. And no... making an account to vote and then leaving is not joining the community in any real way any more than driving through a random town, stopping to vote for their Mayor and then driving away makes a person a part of that Town. And before you complain about silly analogies, let me repeat:
WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--I rarely care about feelings. And what you provided (only a certain people have the right to vote hence developers encouraging their fans to vote is wrong) isn't a rational argument.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
For instance, If you google "mmorpg", mmorpg.com would be your first hit. First direct link is to Games List, Forums is 3rd. And if you check the top keywords hitting this site on search engines 2 out of 5 would lead you to the Games List section and another to Play Now. And although an assumption, but it is logical to think people wouldn't go through the list alphabetically but based on the hype score.
I don't have access to this site's analytics of course. But I wouldn't be surprised if Games List has more hits than the forums (which has only 14% of the traffic, I can track that because it is a sub-domain).
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Developers reach out to their fans, and ask them go on mmorpg.com and vote for them on the hype-meter.
Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?
I don't think many people care about a Hype Meter. That said, the poll is supposed to be a community one. Asking people to come here just to vote skews the poll and it's no longer about what games the community is hyped for, it's not even about what game more external people are hyped for... it becomes a poll of how many people can be motivated to go to a website and vote.
That's quite different from hype. But it would actually be a good thing if more of these people stayed around and maybe engaged in other topics. Growing the community is good. The problem is that they just vote and leave with maybe a few new 1 post wonders dropping off their obligatory "My game is the bestest and the developers are uniquely positioned to change the world!!!"
By registering an account you join the community here. There's no right of passage or a trial anyone needs to pass before they can become a member of this community. You are talking about your personal feelings. You feel this is the way it should be, but it isn't.
I say a developer encouraging their fans to a point that they care enough to register on another website just to vote for them is hype. More power to them.
They sticking around or leaving is irrelevant. And they are free to express their opinion about how their game is the bestest. No one is entitled than anyone else here, as far as I know.
I still fail to see a problem with a dev encouraging their members to vote. That wouldn't make the hyper meter inaccurate, the hype meter has always been inaccurate.
Again... the problem is actually caring about the Hype Meter.
But for discussion sake: YOU asked is "Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?" Which is asking for our personal thoughts on the matter. You then complain that I expressed my personal feelings...
But seriously... WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
I hope they bring 1000 more people and I hope they all stay and join the community. And no... making an account to vote and then leaving is not joining the community in any real way any more than driving through a random town, stopping to vote for their Mayor and then driving away makes a person a part of that Town. And before you complain about silly analogies, let me repeat:
WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--I rarely care about feelings. And what you provided (only a certain people have the right to vote hence developers encouraging their fans to vote is wrong) isn't a rational argument.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
For instance, If you google "mmorpg", mmorpg.com would be your first hit. First direct link is to Games List, Forums is 3rd. And if you check the top keywords hitting this site on search engines 2 out of 5 would lead you to the Games List section and another to Play Now. And although an assumption, but it is logical to think people wouldn't go through the list alphabetically but based on the hype score.
I don't have access to this site's analytics of course. But I wouldn't be surprised if Games List has more hits than the forums (which has only 14% of the traffic, I can track that because it is a sub-domain).
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--I rarely care about feelings. And what you provided (only a certain people have the right to vote hence developers encouraging their fans to vote is wrong) isn't a rational argument.
Not what I said at all. If the site allows you to vote you have the "right" to do so. But as I explained before, doing so is not a measure of how the MMORPG.COM community is Hyped for a game, it's not even a measure of how external people are hyped for the game. It's simply a measure of how many people were motivated to make an account of a website and click a button.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
Again. I don't think I said nobody cares (maybe I did but not in the quotes you listed). I asked WHO CARES and I said that caring about the stupid hype meter is the problem. We had actual numbers posted earlier. AoC has a whopping 261 votes. Since you like facts and not opinions:
What that means is 261 people cared enough to click a button. What possible useful information does that tell us about a game that Angreeegamer says has "400,000 people registered on the website" and "20k active people" on Discord each day?
I mean seriously... 261 votes = most hyped MMORPG? 261 of 400k is .065% of their registered players. 261 is 1.3% of their daily Discord users.
Heck, like I said I wish they would send 10,000 people over and that a chunk of them would stay and join the forums. Not just their specific game but the wider community. That would be a lot more useful than some silly "Hype Meter", but if that's the hook that gets them in the door then great.
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Go do a search for Pathfinder Online, Mortal Online, Greedmonger, and other earlier hyped games and you will find similar statements made. The people who turned out to be uninformed were the ones backing the projects.
Now THAT said, most folks here are giving Steven a longer leash because he hasn't blatantly failed so far. Don't ruin that goodwill by over-sensitivity because someone doesn't love your game (which doesn't exist yet) as much as you do.
I can also state a bunch of game names that people said similar statements about and were proven right. Is there a point to this thought experiment in what other games have done? Like I said, how is this even an argument, you guys bring ridiculous unrelated thoughts to the table and then act like you have proven your point somehow. Why not address the actual on topic arguments and bring some actual facts and proof instead? Nah I guess all you guys can do is gossip and theorycraft yourself into a premature hysteria here when you're not even willing to do 5 seconds of research into the game first.
Keep resorting to personal attacks though, it really is driving home the point that you guys are full of hot air.
Developers reach out to their fans, and ask them go on mmorpg.com and vote for them on the hype-meter.
Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?
I don't think many people care about a Hype Meter. That said, the poll is supposed to be a community one. Asking people to come here just to vote skews the poll and it's no longer about what games the community is hyped for, it's not even about what game more external people are hyped for... it becomes a poll of how many people can be motivated to go to a website and vote.
That's quite different from hype. But it would actually be a good thing if more of these people stayed around and maybe engaged in other topics. Growing the community is good. The problem is that they just vote and leave with maybe a few new 1 post wonders dropping off their obligatory "My game is the bestest and the developers are uniquely positioned to change the world!!!"
By registering an account you join the community here. There's no right of passage or a trial anyone needs to pass before they can become a member of this community. You are talking about your personal feelings. You feel this is the way it should be, but it isn't.
I say a developer encouraging their fans to a point that they care enough to register on another website just to vote for them is hype. More power to them.
They sticking around or leaving is irrelevant. And they are free to express their opinion about how their game is the bestest. No one is entitled than anyone else here, as far as I know.
I still fail to see a problem with a dev encouraging their members to vote. That wouldn't make the hyper meter inaccurate, the hype meter has always been inaccurate.
Again... the problem is actually caring about the Hype Meter.
But for discussion sake: YOU asked is "Anyone finds anything wrong with that? And if so, why?" Which is asking for our personal thoughts on the matter. You then complain that I expressed my personal feelings...
But seriously... WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
I hope they bring 1000 more people and I hope they all stay and join the community. And no... making an account to vote and then leaving is not joining the community in any real way any more than driving through a random town, stopping to vote for their Mayor and then driving away makes a person a part of that Town. And before you complain about silly analogies, let me repeat:
WHO THE FUCK CARES about the hype meter?
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--I rarely care about feelings. And what you provided (only a certain people have the right to vote hence developers encouraging their fans to vote is wrong) isn't a rational argument.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
For instance, If you google "mmorpg", mmorpg.com would be your first hit. First direct link is to Games List, Forums is 3rd. And if you check the top keywords hitting this site on search engines 2 out of 5 would lead you to the Games List section and another to Play Now. And although an assumption, but it is logical to think people wouldn't go through the list alphabetically but based on the hype score.
I don't have access to this site's analytics of course. But I wouldn't be surprised if Games List has more hits than the forums (which has only 14% of the traffic, I can track that because it is a sub-domain).
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--I rarely care about feelings. And what you provided (only a certain people have the right to vote hence developers encouraging their fans to vote is wrong) isn't a rational argument.
Not what I said at all. If the site allows you to vote you have the "right" to do so. But as I explained before, doing so is not a measure of how the MMORPG.COM community is Hyped for a game, it's not even a measure of how external people are hyped for the game. It's simply a measure of how many people were motivated to make an account of a website and click a button.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
Again. I don't think I said nobody cares (maybe I did but not in the quotes you listed). I asked WHO CARES and I said that caring about the stupid hype meter is the problem. We had actual numbers posted earlier. AoC has a whopping 261 votes. Since you like facts and not opinions:
What that means is 261 people cared enough to click a button. What possible useful information does that tell us about a game that Angreeegamer says has "400,000 people registered on the website" and "20k active people" on Discord each day?
I mean seriously... 261 votes = most hyped MMORPG? 261 of 400k is .065% of their registered players. 261 is 1.3% of their daily Discord users.
Heck, like I said I wish they would send 10,000 people over and that a chunk of them would stay and join the forums. Not just their specific game but the wider community. That would be a lot more useful than some silly "Hype Meter", but if that's the hook that gets them in the door then great.
What you state is correct. Hype-meter isn't accurate. Because not enough people participate in it. So if we'd like to have an accurate hyper-meter, then we should encourage more people to vote. But we know that can't happen. Because for instance Blizzard would never care. And if they do, they'll probably never lose the top place.
Right now it works somehow well for new titles with small teams behind them. It is important to them. It is a big deal for them to land on the top of this list. I bet even if you were developing an MMO (Chronicles of Anti-Elyria? ), you'd want to land on the top of that list, because why the hell not?
My stance wasn't about the accuracy or the fairness of the hype meter--that is up to mmorpg.com to fix. I am questioning the reasons of those who would give the developers a hard time for encouraging their fans to vote for them. From my understanding, you don't have a problem with that part per se, you just wished the system worked better and the fans would join the forums not as hooligans but potential new contributors--which I agree.
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Go do a search for Pathfinder Online, Mortal Online, Greedmonger, and other earlier hyped games and you will find similar statements made. The people who turned out to be uninformed were the ones backing the projects.
Now THAT said, most folks here are giving Steven a longer leash because he hasn't blatantly failed so far. Don't ruin that goodwill by over-sensitivity because someone doesn't love your game (which doesn't exist yet) as much as you do.
I can also state a bunch of game names that people said similar statements about and were proven right. Is there a point to this thought experiment in what other games have done? Like I said, how is this even an argument, you guys bring ridiculous unrelated thoughts to the table and then act like you have proven your point somehow. Why not address the actual on topic arguments and bring some actual facts and proof instead? Nah I guess all you guys can do is gossip and theorycraft yourself into a premature hysteria here when you're not even willing to do 5 seconds of research into the game first.
Keep resorting to personal attacks though, it really is driving home the point that you guys are full of hot air.
OK.. list me the crowdfunded MMORPGs that have launched where the defenders were proven right and the game was a big hit (that matched the hype). You said you could state a "bunch of games" so I'll wait.
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Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--
You asked Slapshot for a rational argument? You poor bastard. Let me get some popcorn ready this should be good.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Sorry mate maybe I wasn't clear. I was asking for a rational argument, not personal feelings--
You asked Slapshot for a rational argument? You poor bastard. Let me get some popcorn ready this should be good.
As usual, you jumped the gun. If you read down he and I actually agree
But at least you kept your futility streak going!
PS: Please tell us honestly... are you secretly Caspien? There can't be 2 different people that I have gotten so far under their skin with... can there?
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OK.. list me the crowdfunded MMORPGs that have launched where the defenders were proven right and the game was a big hit (that matched the hype). You said you could state a "bunch of games" so I'll wait.
1) My statement was "I can also state a bunch of game names that people said similar statements about and were proven right" which was in regards to hyped games. There are plenty of widely successful crowdfunding games that live up to the hype, my favorite of which is Divinity 2.
Crowdfunding is still relatively new. Any MMO game funded on this new platforms are still well within the typical 5-7 year MMO development timeframe.
3) AoC is not a crowdfunding game by classic definition. It's a triple A start up that utilized the crowdfunding platform to bring people on board. AoC is not reliant on the backers money to finish the game, it's already funded. So you restricting it to crowdfunding comparison is beyond dishonest.
TL;DR You shouldn't make sweeping generalizations about different projects and judge them all as the same based on one attribute they may or may not share.
Crowfall just looks awful. Ashes has the right ideas to me. Also I look at who is leading the project and how scammer like they seem. Steven Sharif gives me the most confidence of most indie devs out there.
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Other people have said it but I think its due to two of them being pve focused and two being pvp focused.
Every game bores me after playing for a while, but pvp focused games especially quickly since they usually have no, or extremely little, content outside of grinding, crafting, and not even that much pvp. In fact, I pvped the most in pve games like WoW and Wildstar (the arena is a huge hook for me).
But, I'm sure I'll buy and try all four of them as long as the seem to have a decent chardev system.
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Instead you offered observations on all 4 titles which you claim you factually reported on.
1) CU - "production quality is so low they keep their Beta 1 under NDA" - You know for a fact this is true? Perhaps the performance and quality is only good and Mark wants to be sure it is great before the NDA comes down. Slag #1.
2) Crowfall - " while at the same time still having Unity assets they need to replace" - Yeah, anytime Unity comes up in a MMO discussion its an attempt to cast aspersions (aka slag #2) the devs for using it. Are you sure they must replace these before going live? (Source plz)
3) COE - "Did some shady things with the money shell game. Unsure how this game still has votes. Probably vaproware and will never release." - er, multiple slags here, but I wonder if you recall Steven was involved in his own "money shell game" with regards to Kickstarter and how the referral bonus program "really" works. (Slap will be more than happy to share I'm sure) Be careful throwing stones.
4) Ashes - well as you didn't self identify as a fan (aka white knight) we clearly can see where your loyalties are. Let's break down the "positives"
"Goes into development full funded to a viable core product." - No actual proof the full funding exists, but since they came out like gang busters I'm willing to take Steven at his word. (For now)
"Uses Kickstarter and early sales to ramp up additional products." - Yeah, not sure I buy that as he never published a solid list of features to he included in the minimum marketable product or his other explanation of giving fans the "opportunity" to join in the excitement.
"Within 1 year expands development team to 100 people working on the project."
Very true, though some are in Manilla and its a bit questionable how good those resources are and being roughly 15 hrs into the future it makes coordination with them difficult, especially if part of an agile project which I thought was the model being used.
"Put a playable version in the hands of their players 5 months post kickstarter. " Playable version, I'd be interested in that definition, was it Minimum Viable Product or something less? Also which user group got to test then and in what situations? (Trade show demo or from their homes?)
"Anticipates putting their first true Alpha into the hands within 18/19 months of Kickstarter." Meh, whatever the term "true alpha" means. Alpha 1, Alpha 3, Alpha 15.654?
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He pretty much dispelled all those criticisms when the development came out like gang busters.
Still, how he has managed to accomplish so much in so little time when so many before him failed to do so remains a mystery.
If he pulls it off in the proposed timeline he'll be a candidate for becoming a gaming legend.
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On the plus side, you reminded me that Steven owes me money... I have to go see if my referral bank has grown
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Subliminal slip I guess.
BTW, no regular poster here brought up term shill, that came from the fan side.
White knighting would have been a better term, shills normally get paid.
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Only a candidate? I'll be the first to bow to his legendary greatness!
I'm sure OP cares much less than he used to yesterday; At least we had some laugh.
UE4, red flag No 17.
Hey, sounds like a deal!
Some AAA mmos are sorely needed in the genre to shake things up again.
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This is your idea of shredding me? Just reinforcing my statement that you people hide behind ad hominems and complete jumps in logic rather then actual proof? I said "Our Discord" because the discord is for the Ashes community, which I am apart of.
This whole website is dedicated to informing fans of games about news. What sort of backwards logic makes you people in this thread think fans of AoC are all fake. It's disgusting that in a thread where people are free to attack the game we're interested in and praise others as much as they like uncontested - spreading as much misinformation and outright lies as they want - we're labeled as the bots/shills/white knights for simply coming in and pointing out inaccuracies as we see them. How is that anything BUT a toxic attempt to silence us and our community as a whole.
Even though this wasn't directed at me this just reinforces my point again. The people who seem to be the most vocal and long winded about their doubts concerning AoC, are literally the most uninformed. I've only been following this game closely for a few months and even I know that their KS was in May 2017 and they brought a playable demo to the show floor of PAX in September 2017, just a few months later. They then released Alpha Zero in December 2017 to thousands of at home testers from around the world.
There's tons of stream footage of Intrepid and Press people running around the huge Alpha Zero world from around December, and PAX attendee's in September as well if you just take 2 seconds to google. If you want to discern the quality of the game during those tests, why don't you actually sit down and watch the hours of footage out there. Guess you're too busy forming long rant posts everywhere on this website to do that huh.
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They don't call us Harbingers for nothing after all...
Now THAT said, most folks here are giving Steven a longer leash because he hasn't blatantly failed so far. Don't ruin that goodwill by over-sensitivity because someone doesn't love your game (which doesn't exist yet) as much as you do.
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And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
For instance, If you google "mmorpg", mmorpg.com would be your first hit. First direct link is to Games List, Forums is 3rd. And if you check the top keywords hitting this site on search engines 2 out of 5 would lead you to the Games List section and another to Play Now. And although an assumption, but it is logical to think people wouldn't go through the list alphabetically but based on the hype score.
I don't have access to this site's analytics of course. But I wouldn't be surprised if Games List has more hits than the forums (which has only 14% of the traffic, I can track that because it is a sub-domain).
Not what I said at all. If the site allows you to vote you have the "right" to do so. But as I explained before, doing so is not a measure of how the MMORPG.COM community is Hyped for a game, it's not even a measure of how external people are hyped for the game. It's simply a measure of how many people were motivated to make an account of a website and click a button.
And doesn't matter how many times you say who cares about the hype meter, doesn't matter if you put it in capital letters nor spray profanities everywhere, that is again how you feel. Not a fact. How do you know people don't care about the hype meter? Maybe they do?
Again. I don't think I said nobody cares (maybe I did but not in the quotes you listed). I asked WHO CARES and I said that caring about the stupid hype meter is the problem. We had actual numbers posted earlier. AoC has a whopping 261 votes. Since you like facts and not opinions:
What that means is 261 people cared enough to click a button. What possible useful information does that tell us about a game that Angreeegamer says has "400,000 people registered on the website" and "20k active people" on Discord each day?
I mean seriously... 261 votes = most hyped MMORPG? 261 of 400k is .065% of their registered players. 261 is 1.3% of their daily Discord users.
Heck, like I said I wish they would send 10,000 people over and that a chunk of them would stay and join the forums. Not just their specific game but the wider community. That would be a lot more useful than some silly "Hype Meter", but if that's the hook that gets them in the door then great.
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Keep resorting to personal attacks though, it really is driving home the point that you guys are full of hot air.
Right now it works somehow well for new titles with small teams behind them. It is important to them. It is a big deal for them to land on the top of this list. I bet even if you were developing an MMO (Chronicles of Anti-Elyria?
My stance wasn't about the accuracy or the fairness of the hype meter--that is up to mmorpg.com to fix. I am questioning the reasons of those who would give the developers a hard time for encouraging their fans to vote for them. From my understanding, you don't have a problem with that part per se, you just wished the system worked better and the fans would join the forums not as hooligans but potential new contributors--which I agree.
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But at least you kept your futility streak going!
PS: Please tell us honestly... are you secretly Caspien? There can't be 2 different people that I have gotten so far under their skin with... can there?
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2) Out of the 11 crowdfunding MMO's listed here as a sample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_crowdfunding_projects only 3 have been released, one of which is a mod. The rest are still in development.
Crowdfunding is still relatively new. Any MMO game funded on this new platforms are still well within the typical 5-7 year MMO development timeframe.
3) AoC is not a crowdfunding game by classic definition. It's a triple A start up that utilized the crowdfunding platform to bring people on board. AoC is not reliant on the backers money to finish the game, it's already funded. So you restricting it to crowdfunding comparison is beyond dishonest.
TL;DR You shouldn't make sweeping generalizations about different projects and judge them all as the same based on one attribute they may or may not share.
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Every game bores me after playing for a while, but pvp focused games especially quickly since they usually have no, or extremely little, content outside of grinding, crafting, and not even that much pvp. In fact, I pvped the most in pve games like WoW and Wildstar (the arena is a huge hook for me).
But, I'm sure I'll buy and try all four of them as long as the seem to have a decent chardev system.