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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes: SOE to Co-Publish With Sigil

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  • brahmabull75brahmabull75 Member Posts: 25
    Anyone but SOE! 

  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90
    Well I guess Dark and light and pirates of the burning sea will have to be my savior, if these games don't pan out I guess I will not be playing any MMORPG's for the forseeable future

  • brahmabull75brahmabull75 Member Posts: 25
    Well,

    'Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution,
    marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and
    technical support -- for the game'

    It can't be THAT bad, as long as they don't have anything to do with development.


  • defafnyrdefafnyr Member Posts: 83


    Originally posted by Agent_X7
    Hehe, this seems oddly familiar. Oh yeah, Verant makes EQ, SOE publishes. SOE takes over EQ. Fast forward, most Verant employees have left, and a core group form Sigil. Sigil games makes Vanguard, SOE publishes.

    I wonder what they will be making when SOE is developing Vanguard 2?



    Deja Vu of the worse kind.  What in hell is Brad thinking getting back in bed with SOE again, after all those years of spouting about "what happened to the vision"  when EQ1 got taken over, and "going to create our new vision, our way" when they started working on Vanguard. 

    And with SOE putting it on the Station Access, SOE's expected big competitor is no longer their competitor but it's adopted foster child.

  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90
    Technical support? SOE has the WORST TECH support period!

  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by osiloa

    Originally posted by Effect

    Originally posted by teddyboy420
    Wow, I never saw this coming. Although, I take that back I kind of did.

    I don't know, Microsoft has a real big bug up it's arse when it comes to MMO's. I mean, how many have they personally stopped development on in the last few years? Of the top of my head Mythica comes right to mind but I am pretty sure there is at least one more they stopped.



    Actually I think Microsoft also had a large part to due with why Asheron's Call 2 ended up the way it did. With them calling to many shots and being the main reason I think the whole chat system in the game was shot to hell for a long time which was one of the factors for why people left when they all did when it first came out. There were several other things as well I think that was their fault, especailly not advertising the game and then once the game was on it's last legs sold it back to Turbine but they couldn't save it.

    As much as I dislike SOE, I think this is a good move by Sigil to not depend on Microsoft to publish this game. SOE has the experience and the knowledge of how to at least do that very well. Vanguard tv commericals will be a big help for the game and you know SOE can do it.


    So you want vanguard to die a slow death like Star wars galaxies?


    I don't think SOE will have develoment rights on this title.  Publishing and administrating servers have always been SOE's game,  development not really.  Especally with SWG, even six months after the NGE and there are still rumors on why it was changed into the FPS we all know today.  If this and "Gods and Heros" turn out to be better games then the in house stuff I think that SOE might of solved their problem for the short term.   PR disasters like the above SWG take a long time to get over.  And no matter whose to blame for that, SOE's name is all over the box.  They are a painted target in this case. Lets wait and see what the Co-Publishing deals do, might take some of the past away. 
  • sleepyguyftlsleepyguyftl Member Posts: 648
    At least they didn't go to EA.

  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90

    Sorry I have vowed to never deal with SOE again. I will unfortunately not be playing this game now. I will wait and see what Dark and light  and Pirates of the burning sea turns out.If those 2 games don't pan out my only recourse will be to wait for Biowares new "secret" MMORPG gets released.


  • starman999starman999 Member Posts: 1,232

    EEEK......

    "Help me Obi warhammer kenobi....you're my only hope"


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  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by osiloa
    Technical support? SOE has the WORST TECH support period!



    I agree it's bad when you have 50 people dealing with 3000 customers a day.  I've worked Tech support myself and it is no walk in the park for anyone.  And I can say that I have felt some of the GMs and CSRs pain.  And I can say that SOE's Tech support is no better then Blizzard's or anyone elses. 
  • lilmitch34lilmitch34 Member Posts: 33

    QUOTE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Originally Posted by RedFeather1975



    “As the development process is ongoing and constantly shifting, it became clear that MGS and Sigil had varying visions and direction for the title’s development,” said Brad McQuaid, CEO of Sigil Games Online. “In the best interest of Vanguard, it was decided that we would buy back the publishing rights from Microsoft.”

    As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater
    control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game
    development, community relations, media relations, customer support,
    and quality assurance.
    Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support
    -- including billing and technical support -- for the game.
    Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its
    release,to SOE’s Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access
    allows players to enjoy all of SOE’s MMO titles for one low monthly
    price.



    So.....

    Sigil retains their Vision on what Vanguard will be.

    SOE is helping to distribute and market the title.


    Unless you really hate SOE's distribution and marketing capabilites and
    despise Sigil's vision of what Vanguard should be, why the heck get
    upset over this?!?


    I'm guessing people don't read the whole first post?


    Well said:


    Sigil retains their Vision on what Vanguard will be.

    SOE is helping to distribute and market the title.


    These are the key points:


    1. We found an incredible opportunity: the opportunity to purchase the
    publishing rights from Microsoft and become our own publisher.


    2. We now own both the IP (the intellectual property) of Vanguard and the publishing rights.


    3. This gives us more control and autonomy than we have ever had before. We are no longer just a developer.


    4. Microsoft was TOTALLY cool with this. They are still very happy
    about Vanguard and looking forward to it bolstering their Windows
    platform. Vanguard will be an XP game, but also a Vista game, offering
    both 32 bit and 64 bit clients. We will continue to work closely with
    them and with Vista's focus on entertainment/games/graphics, as well as
    online, Vanguard is key.


    5. SOE was TOTALLY cool with this. They are excited to have the people
    who designed and worked on the original EQ and EQ expansions provide a
    game for them. They need a game like Vanguard next year -- it gives
    them a variety of games from which players can choose from, or players
    can just play Vanguard.


    6. We continue to have total control over the game's design, how it is
    marketed, the community, customer service -- everything that is
    important to us and I think important to all of you.


    7. Things like running game servers, getting ads (that we design and/or
    approve) into magazines, getting boxes into stores, etc., all of which
    SOE is great at doing, they can do while we focus on finishing up the
    game and on beta.


    8. This also gives us more time to launch the game when it is truly ready.


    9. edit: Also, Vanguard will *NOT* be part of SOE's 'buy and sell items
    for real world money'. Our hard line position against this for a game
    like Vanguard remains as strong as ever.


    If there are any other concerns or questions about this -- that's what
    I'm here for. I know this is a big change and it takes a moment to wrap
    one's head around it, but bottom line is that it's the best thing for
    Vanguard, for Sigil, and for you, our future players.










    __________________

    Brad McQuaid
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I swear people just love to b(word)  about anything.









  • OrthelianOrthelian Member UncommonPosts: 1,034

    My initial reaction was extremely negative, but I took the time to read everything that Brad himself had to say about it on the official forums and found myself much more at ease. Perhaps I have been brainwashed.

    If we know anything about Sigil, we know that they are stubborn. Brad seems very passionate about Sigil having full control over Vanguard while SOE handles the other things. SOE makes no development decisions and has no room to 'flex its muscles' and pressure Sigil into making design changes.

    From what Brad has said, the relationship with SOE allows them even more freedom than they had with Microsoft. While I have no love for SOE, this reason is good enough for me, and having met Brad on a few occasions I feel very confident in his confidence.

    Favorites: EQEVE | Playing: None. Mostly VR and strategy | Anticipating: CUPantheon
  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90
    THat is what they say now, but once SOE get's it's greedy Paws on the game, there will be no stopping them SOE is like a parasite. 

  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222
    How does this affect the Marvel license?  I remember Sigil developing that MMO, any word on it's fate?

  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90


    Originally posted by lilmitch34

    QUOTE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Originally Posted by RedFeather1975



    that's what
    I'm here for. I know this is a big change and it takes a moment to wrap
    one's head around it, but bottom line is that it's the best thing for
    Vanguard, for Sigil, and for you, our future players.









    __________________

    Brad McQuaid
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I swear people just love to b(word)  about anything.









    Sorry Brad, you just lost this  FUTURE player/customer
  • lilmitch34lilmitch34 Member Posts: 33

    lol there was a reason I put all of those ~~~~~~~~~  If you think I am Mquaid.... HAHAHA


    Are you sure they were publishing the Marvel MMO? Because Sony has the DC MMO and that i would think would be a problem if Sony has to Market both.



  • n2soonersn2sooners Member UncommonPosts: 926


    As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater
    control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game
    development, community relations, media relations, customer support,
    and quality assurance.


    Sigil in charge of customer support and quality assurance makes me feel much better about the deal. I believe Brad thinks it was a mistake on his part to ever let go of EQ, so I find it unlikely that he will ever relinquish control of Vanguard. Plus, I can't see him buying out MS instead of letting them have control and then going to SOE just to he can give control to them. The best game SOE has was developed by Brad, so I have no doubts Vanguard will be a great game as well. And even if he sells out to them some time down the road, I believe I can get at least a few years of quality gaming out of Vanguard, which is more than I have gotten out of any game in a very long time.

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  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by lilmitch34

    lol there was a reason I put all of those ~~~~~~~~~  If you think I am Mquaid.... HAHAHA


    Are you sure they were publishing the Marvel MMO? Because Sony has the DC MMO and that i would think would be a problem if Sony has to Market both.





    http://www.gamestats.com/objects/760/760103/

    Looks like as of  yesterday and earlier that is still slated for Xbox 360.....


  • OrthelianOrthelian Member UncommonPosts: 1,034


    Originally posted by osiloa
    THat is what they say now, but once SOE get's it's greedy Paws on the game, there will be no stopping them SOE is like a parasite. 

    They have no power to, and it is not as if Sigil is open to bribes of money from them if they ever desired the power to. SOE is not paying Sigil for this, remember. This is being done to give Sigil more freedom over Vanguard.

    Sigil is now both developer and publisher. SOE is co-publisher. Brad has almost tyrannical power over his product, now.

    Favorites: EQEVE | Playing: None. Mostly VR and strategy | Anticipating: CUPantheon
  • lilmitch34lilmitch34 Member Posts: 33

    I'm stupid I misread your post, My fault Fire, that will be interesting to see what happens.

    I didnt see you were talking about the marvel game and not Vanguard.

    I am curious to see what happens if Sony has to market DC and Marvel's MMO game.




  • OrthelianOrthelian Member UncommonPosts: 1,034


    Originally posted by lilmitch34
    I am curious to see what happens if Sony has to market DC and Marvel's MMO game.


    Somehow, I had not considered that. Hmm.

    Favorites: EQEVE | Playing: None. Mostly VR and strategy | Anticipating: CUPantheon
  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by lilmitch34

    I'm stupid I misread your post, My fault Fire, that will be interesting to see what happens.

    I didnt see you were talking about the marvel game and not Vanguard.

    I am curious to see what happens if Sony has to market DC and Marvel's MMO game.








    Lets wait on that Marvel one, it's still a ways off.....

    Vanguard on the other hand suddnely has become very interesting.
  • GonodilGonodil Member Posts: 335


    Originally posted by Saerain

     and it is not as if Sigil is open to bribes of money from them





    Everyone is open to bribes, they just need to be large enough.

    To believe otherwise is naive

  • osiloaosiloa Member Posts: 90
    More power to you, I wont be part of anything associated with SOE.

  • Firebird1Firebird1 Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by Gonodil

    Originally posted by Saerain

     and it is not as if Sigil is open to bribes of money from them




    Everyone is open to bribes, they just need to be large enough.

    To believe otherwise is naive


    SOE doesn't have the capital that the Sigil bribes would need to be.....

    Sigil left Microsoft... 

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