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Time to cancel my preorder
admriker444
Member Posts: 1,526
Well Sigil can kiss my money goodbye. After spending 3 bitter years with SOE, I have learned my lesson.
I am not interested in paying to beta test an incomplete product
I am not interested in being lied to by SOE over and over again
I am not interested in Smedley telling me what I should like
I am not interested in wondering if my subscriber money is going to develop a secret project instead of the MMO I am paying for
In short, Im not interested in you anymore Vanguard. I dont care what I read about you because I know all too well of the broken promises SOE has puked on me before.
Calling Gamestop tomorrow and cancelling my $99 collector's edition preorder
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I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
and moved the money over to a Age of Conan pre-order (which I wasn't
going to try before the selling out announcement was made).
I don't even want to play this crap now that it's run by SOE
Do you guys even READ anything or do you just see SoE and think of all those traumatic times and abandon all logic? Cause you sound really stupid when you just wildly flip out and overreact.
I mean if people feel THAT strongly about any sort of connection to SoE well thats for them to decide. I just don't think people should be making a snap decision on faulty knowledge of what the situation is.
You really need to acquaint yourself with the history of SoE and Verant before you take such positions.
I guess I choose to get annoyed *IF* they sell out to SoE in a few years instead of just rampantly speculating about it.
Sigil are still making the game, SoE is just getting it on shelves. woopie
ok ..this sounds awful..someone want to tell me where this info comes from? Gah..SOE..they ruined EQI with all those expansions they spit out like so many peanut shells. Anyone want to direct me to the info on how SOE is getting involved with our Vanguard?
And yes I remember Verant.
Cend
SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game
Hosting and tech support is a lot more than just putting it on the shelves.
You guys aren't seeing that there are signed contracts stating this relationship etc. It's not like SoE can just decide it's going to take VG over.
Sigil is making the game, personally that's what I care about.
The game is going to sink or swim depending on Sigil, not whether the SoE boogieman is going to kill it.
ok well .... thats all BULLCRAP .. and ill prove it .. this are the latest posts from a developer on the VOH forums ... notice how their claims of " TOTAL CONTROL" are diminishing by the posts
Taranis from sigil online entertainment posts:
"We will certainly consult with them ... but Sigil funds all development, and we'll only spend our own resources to develop/deploy things that we think are worth it. Really - we have more control than we did in the previous MS deal."
notice he says CLEARLY " WE WILL SURELY CONSULT WITH THEM" thats CLEAR indication the deal isnt as benign as brad wants you to believe ...
and in fact to ME at least alludes to the fact SOE have invested capitol in the game ... otherwise why would sigil even care to " consult" with the biggest failure of the MMO market
next our friend from SIGIL ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT STATES
Taranis: SIGIL, posts:
Now I can't promise that it'll never change (ie - if SOE decides to buy Sigil at some point down the road, etc) ... but the structure of the deal, as it is today ... ensures Sigil's autonomy. Both corporately - and financially.
can you say " COVERING HIS ASS" knowing all too well the day will come when sony takes over just like they did with EQ1, the plans for EQ2 and taking SWG from lucas arts?
you my friend ... are a naive one to think a corporation as large as sony was brought in cuz M$ didnt want free money publishing the game .... its almost known at this point sig8il came into financial problems ... and couldnt meet deadline MS washed their hands of the matter , because they didnt want to fund the game and SOE came in and picked up the contract
Do you guys even READ anything or do you just see SoE and think of all those traumatic times and abandon all logic? Cause you sound really stupid when you just wildly flip out and overreact.
It makes absolutely no difference. Do you honestly think for one moment that SOE will keep their hooves out of the pie? Com'on now, give me a break. You just can't afford to be that naive.
Handing a game to SOE, in any capacity, is a death sentence.
I run a huge multi-game guild, and we're about to close down our VG boards. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... and I'm not going to have any part of it.
Fuck SOE!
Classic SWG > CUNGE
He's not really covering his ass. Nobody knows what is going to be happening in 5 years.
Also the fact that Microsoft backed out if Sigil wasn't willing to meet certain deadlines is GOOD. I'm sick of these 6 month early abortions.
You know if SoE buy Sigil in 2 years then I will be complaining there with you, but I'm noto going to get into a frenzy over my own speculation.
Do you guys even READ anything or do you just see SoE and think of all those traumatic times and abandon all logic? Cause you sound really stupid when you just wildly flip out and overreact.
It makes absolutely no difference. Do you honestly think for one moment that SOE will keep their hooves out of the pie? Com'on now, give me a break. You just can't afford to be that naive.
Handing a game to SOE, in any capacity, is a death sentence.
I run a huge multi-game guild, and we're about to close down our VG boards. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... and I'm not going to have any part of it.
Fuck SOE!
I think SoE will keep their hooves out if that's how the contract states. You guys all act just because SoE is a big company they can do anything they like. SIGIL HAS ALL THE POWER in the relationship. Sigil owns everything.
If you want to wildly overreact and close down your forums of a game you're obviously interested in because in a few years SOMETHING might happen then hey go for it, but it's still just wild speculation.
You know something I learned in school: "history is bound to repeat itself."
Have fun with your SOE product. Bump this post three years from now when you end up with a NGE. I'll have no part in it.
Classic SWG > CUNGE
Do you guys even READ anything or do you just see SoE and think of all those traumatic times and abandon all logic? Cause you sound really stupid when you just wildly flip out and overreact.
It makes absolutely no difference. Do you honestly think for one moment that SOE will keep their hooves out of the pie? Com'on now, give me a break. You just can't afford to be that naive.
Handing a game to SOE, in any capacity, is a death sentence.
I run a huge multi-game guild, and we're about to close down our VG boards. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... and I'm not going to have any part of it.
Fuck SOE!
I think SoE will keep their hooves out if that's how the contract states. You guys all act just because SoE is a big company they can do anything they like. SIGIL HAS ALL THE POWER in the relationship. Sigil owns everything.
If you want to wildly overreact and close down your forums of a game you're obviously interested in because in a few years SOMETHING might happen then hey go for it, but it's still just wild speculation.
skarz you obviously havent even read the press release .. it states
" sigil will accept responsibility for the game development"
it says NOTHING about total control ...
where officially .. other than DAMAGE CONTROL BY THE DEVS .. does it state sigil retains absolute control .. pffff
Yes sure if you want to go by the letter of the press release then SoE could have an influence over gameplay decisions but the fact the Sigil CEO and the Legal Rep that WROTE the contract up have both said Sigil has total control, for the moment I am going to believe that.
I don't take everything a dev says as gospel but it's better information than making wild guesses based on past history and what may or may not happen.
If the legal rep for Sigil states Sigil has totally control of gameplay in a CONTRACT (which he has). If the President of SoE has stated he has no control and he does not WANT to be in gameplay then yes I am going to believe that Sigil is going to control gameplay. Obviously I trust Smedley as far as I can throw him, but it's the best information out there currently.
Omg, someone else thats sane...
As I said in another post. I've been there and done that with SOE too, I had Jedi that I painfully grinded out vanish before my eyes. But... i'm not going to cut off my nose, despite my face on VSOH. If and when the time comes that SOE destroys this game, then i'll be pissed too, but i'll at least try the game first. If no one took chances on anything, we'd all still be living in caves picking our toes for fun, and trying out a new game is a relativly small risk
If its any consolation, Matrix online sucked crap when it first came out, I was in beta. After SOE took it over, its acually a half decent game now.
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Do you guys even READ anything or do you just see SoE and think of all those traumatic times and abandon all logic? Cause you sound really stupid when you just wildly flip out and overreact.
You must be the most naive person I have seen posting on here. SOE has to have a large financial angle to this and you will see eventually they will take control of the game. Also with their reputation trying to defend them makes you look as bad as Smedly.
They have one of the worst repuatations in the MMO market at the moment, their customer service is worse then poor, they show utter contempt towards their customers and yet your saying not to be worried by this?
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Put down the torches and pitchforks.
Sigil = publisher/developer.
SoE = providing a service/ no power/ no control /no say
2 weeks ago MICROSOFT (big company I'm sure you've heard of them) was the actual publisher and they COULD actually try and influence decisions.
SoE cannot.
Guys SoE just can't do it. In EQ Verant was the developer and SoE was the publisher. SoE bought Verant in that situation. Yes SoE COULD buy Sigil but so could Blizzard or ANYBODY could. Nothing today has made Vanguard less likely to succeed, it's actually made it BETTER because sigil has MORE control now than they did a week ago.
SoE is providing technical support. So I think that could be a problem.
SoE is managing the servers. SoE is VERY GOOD with server stability and being consistent. They are much much better than Blizzard at the moment.
The GMs are still going to be working for Sigil, Sigil will be controlling that.
I don't like SoE anymore than you guys, you guys are just vastly overestimated the influence SoE has over the game.
Classic SWG > CUNGE
Like someone else said you may think its all sweet but if you haven't been brushed by SOE you won't know why so many people will be foaming at the mouths when hearing this. The fact SOE has anything to do with the game is enough to make people leave the idea of playing vanguard.
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Dudes I do understand why people don't want to.
I mean if people just don't want anything to do with SoE at all then I respect that and I wish them all the best. Free country and all.
I have been playing EQ since 2000, I was there when Verant sold to SoE, I was there when SoE basically turned the game shitty. I've played EQ2 and I didn't like it much. I have had plenty to do with SoE.
Trust me if SoE had bought Sigil well I would be right along side you mate, but in this situation I don't think it is a game altering decision. I mean if people want to just give up all hope, that's up to them, I just don't think people should be overreacting with bad information.