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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019
    lahnmir said:
    Bought:

    Operencia
    Hades
    Ashen

    Payed a total of a whopping 32,84 euro's. Saved 50,56 euro's on games not available on Steam and not cheaper through 3d party sites. Poor me, I got screwed again.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    But HOW, without a cart or trading cards, did you manage to buy anything????
    lahnmiralkarionlogJeffSpicoliChildoftheShadowsbcbullygervaise1TacticalZombehinfomatzFolmen

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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    I think I see what you did there.

    Gut Out!
    lahnmir

    What, me worry?

  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,054
    lahnmir said:
    Bought:

    Operencia
    Hades
    Ashen

    Payed a total of a whopping 32,84 euro's. Saved 50,56 euro's on games not available on Steam and not cheaper through 3d party sites. Poor me, I got screwed again.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    But HOW, without a cart or trading cards, did you manage to buy anything????
    I called my mom to help me out, it was that difficult. 

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    LililuneMadFrenchiegervaise1TacticalZombehFolmenmaskedweasel
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • LililuneLililune Member UncommonPosts: 81
    Sorry,I'll not make three purchases because that shitty store is unable to have a cart where I could put ALL my games to buy.
    I'll certainly never let a shop keep my credentials for CC or Paypal so nope,not worth the effort to open Paypal three times.
    Epic,you can keep those awesome deals..I can get them for free on another store xD
    As for for brain dead people defending Epic...you are pathetic...

    JeffSpicolilahnmirSBFordGutlardGdemamibcbullyFolmenmaskedweasel
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,054
    Lililune said:
    Sorry,I'll not make three purchases because that shitty store is unable to have a cart where I could put ALL my games to buy.
    I'll certainly never let a shop keep my credentials for CC or Paypal so nope,not worth the effort to open Paypal three times.
    Epic,you can keep those awesome deals..I can get them for free on another store xD
    As for for brain dead people defending Epic...you are pathetic...

    I had to enter my Paypal information once and all other purchases were instant so....nope, wrong.
    What other store can you buy Operencia, Ashen and Hades from, for free?.......You can't, so nope, wrong.
    You had to make three purchases which takes less clicks then navigating the Steam store to find the three games you want to buy yet you prefer that, which makes you selectively lazy........so, nope, that's on you.

    Of course I understand you just wrote some random gibberish to rile up the other side. So I can value it properly, and it ranges somewhere between braindead and pathetic, just to use your own words in a slightly different context. I also learned at a young age that swearing and insulting others is just a way to cover up the fact that someone doesn't actually have proper arguments to have a discussion, it was a good lesson to learn. But enjoy Steam, i sure as hell do. Just like I will enjoy my purchases on other stores, true gamers are about the games.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    JeffSpicoliBaalzharonSBFordWaangervaise1TacticalZombehinfomatzFolmen
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    edited May 2019
    lahnmir said:
    Lililune said:
    Sorry,I'll not make three purchases because that shitty store is unable to have a cart where I could put ALL my games to buy.
    I'll certainly never let a shop keep my credentials for CC or Paypal so nope,not worth the effort to open Paypal three times.
    Epic,you can keep those awesome deals..I can get them for free on another store xD
    As for for brain dead people defending Epic...you are pathetic...

    I had to enter my Paypal information once and all other purchases were instant so....nope, wrong.
    What other store can you buy Operencia, Ashen and Hades from, for free?.......You can't, so nope, wrong.
    You had to make three purchases which takes less clicks then navigating the Steam store to find the three games you want to buy yet you prefer that, which makes you selectively lazy........so, nope, that's on you.

    Of course I understand you just wrote some random gibberish to rile up the other side. So I can value it properly, and it ranges somewhere between braindead and pathetic  :o 
    , just to use your own words in a slightly different context. I also learned at a young age that swearing and insulting others :D is just a way to cover up the fact that someone doesn't actually have proper arguments to have a discussion, it was a good lesson to learn 
     :* 
    . But enjoy Steam, i sure as hell do. Just like I will enjoy my purchases on other stores, true gamers are about the games.  :#

    /Cheers,



    Lahnmir


    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • LililuneLililune Member UncommonPosts: 81
    edited May 2019
    Doesn't work for me...butlahnmir said:
    Lililune said:
    Sorry,I'll not make three purchases because that shitty store is unable to have a cart where I could put ALL my games to buy.
    I'll certainly never let a shop keep my credentials for CC or Paypal so nope,not worth the effort to open Paypal three times.
    Epic,you can keep those awesome deals..I can get them for free on another store xD
    As for for brain dead people defending Epic...you are pathetic...

    I had to enter my Paypal information once and all other purchases were instant so....nope, wrong.
    What other store can you buy Operencia, Ashen and Hades from, for free?.......You can't, so nope, wrong.
    You had to make three purchases which takes less clicks then navigating the Steam store to find the three games you want to buy yet you prefer that, which makes you selectively lazy........so, nope, that's on you.

    Of course I understand you just wrote some random gibberish to rile up the other side. So I can value it properly, and it ranges somewhere between braindead and pathetic, just to use your own words in a slightly different context. I also learned at a young age that swearing and insulting others is just a way to cover up the fact that someone doesn't actually have proper arguments to have a discussion, it was a good lesson to learn. But enjoy Steam, i sure as hell do. Just like I will enjoy my purchases on other stores, true gamers are about the games.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

     I'm EU resident...maybe Epic is working weird with non US people?
    I was unable to pay for more than one game at a time.

    I don't give a shit about Steam,Epic or whatever...my favorite is GOG so I was okay to test Epic.
    But seriously,how you can defend that? 
    Sorry but I'm just asking for the bare minimum from a store.
    A cart...just a cart...not a fabulous awesome feature...

    GdemamibcbullyFolmen
  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,347

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    No Marketplace
    No Trading Cards
    No trading
    No user Profile Customization
    No Achievements 

    No controller Support

    No Overlay with Browser
    No Cloud Saves
    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
    No Third Party Key Registration


    NO CART



    you know these are what devs would call features :p

    btw some of these are pretty much what devs want, no comunity and player review to tell others how much they game suck
    That's why these features are important because the community will also tell how good the game is and how it's worth playing and give tips for difficult parts. But the "devs" (read publishers) just want to control the narrative. 

    Oh and any chance the "devs" will see any of the extra money Epic gave the publishers?
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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,347
    moshra said:

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    No trading
    No user Profile Customization
    No Achievements 

    No controller Support

    No Overlay with Browser
    No Cloud Saves
    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
    No Third Party Key Registration


    NO CART




    Half of those features don't even get used.  Cry some more. 

    Trading cards...
    Speak for yourself. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean others don't. Cloud saves are important in case your system dies and wish lists are good for tracking sales.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,054
    lahnmir said:
    Lililune said:
    Sorry,I'll not make three purchases because that shitty store is unable to have a cart where I could put ALL my games to buy.
    I'll certainly never let a shop keep my credentials for CC or Paypal so nope,not worth the effort to open Paypal three times.
    Epic,you can keep those awesome deals..I can get them for free on another store xD
    As for for brain dead people defending Epic...you are pathetic...

    I had to enter my Paypal information once and all other purchases were instant so....nope, wrong.
    What other store can you buy Operencia, Ashen and Hades from, for free?.......You can't, so nope, wrong.
    You had to make three purchases which takes less clicks then navigating the Steam store to find the three games you want to buy yet you prefer that, which makes you selectively lazy........so, nope, that's on you.

    Of course I understand you just wrote some random gibberish to rile up the other side. So I can value it properly, and it ranges somewhere between braindead and pathetic  :o 
    , just to use your own words in a slightly different context. I also learned at a young age that swearing and insulting others :D is just a way to cover up the fact that someone doesn't actually have proper arguments to have a discussion, it was a good lesson to learn. But enjoy Steam, i sure as hell do. Just like I will enjoy my purchases on other stores, true gamers are about the games.

    /Cheers,



    Lahnmir


    ? I didn't say I was calm at all, I just wasn't rude. Perhaps you find it hard to see the difference?

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    JeffSpicoliFolmen
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited May 2019
    Let's stop the bickering back and forth. This argument has been replayed about 50 times 'round here since the EGS came online. :)

    Those of you who eschew Epic, I dunno...go to the Steam Summer Sale thread and talk there about the games you're hoping to buy?  Just a friendly suggestion -- not the part about bickering though. That part is serious. 

    https://www.mmorpg.com/news/lock-up-your-wallets-steam-summer-sale-dates-leaked-1000052513

    Thanks.
    CelciusMadFrenchieinfomatzFolmen


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • LililuneLililune Member UncommonPosts: 81
    SBFord said:
    Let's stop the bickering back and forth. This argument back and forth has been replayed about 50 times 'round here since the EGS came online. :)

    Those of you who eschew Epic, I dunno...go to the Steam Summer Sale thread and talk there about the games you're hoping to buy?  Just a friendly suggestion -- not the part about bickering though. That part is serious. 

    https://www.mmorpg.com/news/lock-up-your-wallets-steam-summer-sale-dates-leaked-1000052513

    Thanks.
    And how about just asking for a working store...no offense but It's my first time using a "store" without cart.
    Nothing against Epic...just not good enough for now.
    Maybe later,I can wait.
    I'm not Steam exclusive xD
    I own a lot of launchers already.
    SBFordlahnmirTheocritusGdemamiFolmen
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,054
    SBFord said:
    Let's stop the bickering back and forth. This argument has been replayed about 50 times 'round here since the EGS came online. :)

    Those of you who eschew Epic, I dunno...go to the Steam Summer Sale thread and talk there about the games you're hoping to buy?  Just a friendly suggestion -- not the part about bickering though. That part is serious. 

    https://www.mmorpg.com/news/lock-up-your-wallets-steam-summer-sale-dates-leaked-1000052513

    Thanks.yeah, sorry for getting carried away. I just can't understand people boycotting good games for reasons that have nothing to do with said games.

    /Cheers,
    lahnmir
    SBFordMadFrenchieFolmen
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited May 2019
    Wish I could afford to pickup the pre-order on BL 3. There is no way you could get a discount that deep until after launch. Awesome to see the EGS doing something pro-consumer, not so awesome to see people still find a way to turn it into a bad thing. Honestly, if you hate the ES, it really doesn't matter. There are other places to whine about every time they grab an exclusive. You can't really turn this into a negative.

    In the mean time, I would gladly pickup a couple of games for a discount even if it means I have to make A WHOLE SECOND PURCHASE cause they don't have a cart....oh wooooeeee is meeeeeeee /s
    SBFordgervaise1moshra
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    I dunno, for some reason this reminded me of an old BTO song, Givin it all away.


    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    edited May 2019

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    huh, you actually like some that stuff? I think most of it is sh*t.

    I'll give you the reviews, workshop is only good if the games support mods, wishlist sure, not sure what you mean by regional pricing. In the region's currency? If so yes, and "maybe" the cloud saves.

    I think overlay is crap, trading card, achievements, trading cards are unnecessary. 

    Once they get Mac games then sure. But I don't "think" any of those are for mac. could be wrong.

    The other stuff is really a "really?" for me. 

    no cart? I haven't noticed so can't comment.
    Folmen
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    Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w


    Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547

    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Alverant said:
    moshra said:

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    No controller Support

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    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
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    Half of those features don't even get used.  Cry some more. 

    Trading cards...
    Speak for yourself. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean others don't. Cloud saves are important in case your system dies and wish lists are good for tracking sales.
    All those features get used ... ignore the troll
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    It is tough to remember what game I have where with all these launchers...ha!

    And all the TV/Movie streaming Launchers coming online also?!

    How cumbersome...

    Okay, I'm done.

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019
    Sovrath said:

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    No Marketplace
    No Trading Cards
    No trading
    No user Profile Customization
    No Achievements 

    No controller Support

    No Overlay with Browser
    No Cloud Saves
    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
    No Third Party Key Registration


    NO CART



    huh, you actually like some that stuff? I think most of it is sh*t.

    I'll give you the reviews, workshop is only good if the games support mods, wishlist sure, not sure what you mean by regional pricing. In the region's currency? If so yes, and "maybe" the cloud saves.

    I think overlay is crap, trading card, achievements, trading cards are unnecessary. 

    Once they get Mac games then sure. But I don't "think" any of those are for mac. could be wrong.

    The other stuff is really a "really?" for me. 

    no cart? I haven't noticed so can't comment.
    Regional pricing is on the Epic Store.


    Most of the folks still commenting on this aren't arguing in good faith or are simply being sarcastic (myself included in the sarcastic group).

    Most of the haters don't actually look to the source for info on what's included with the Epic store, they simply parrot what the others are saying or what they read on Reddit (thus the fear-mongering about Tencent you've seen).
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    My Wish List is a..... 'Highway to The Danger Zone!  B) :*

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

  • Phixion13Phixion13 Member UncommonPosts: 190
    This a sponsored post?
    SBFordelveoneJeffSpicoliFolmenDrius75
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    In order of appearance - easily replaceable, easily replaceable, easily replaceable, upcoming, useless, useless, useless, useless, first affects less than 1% of gamers and second is false, false, useless, useless, useless, useless, useless, useless, false, useless, upcoming, nonsensical, useless, false, useless.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Phixion13 said:
    This a sponsored post?
    Why? Because....you don't like the Epic Games Store? Or...? 

    I mean, what gamer isn't interested in a sale?  B)
    elveoneCelciusgervaise1Folmenmaskedweasel


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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Sovrath said:

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    No user Profile Customization
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    No controller Support

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    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
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    huh, you actually like some that stuff? I think most of it is sh*t.

    I'll give you the reviews, workshop is only good if the games support mods, wishlist sure, not sure what you mean by regional pricing. In the region's currency? If so yes, and "maybe" the cloud saves.

    I think overlay is crap, trading card, achievements, trading cards are unnecessary. 

    Once they get Mac games then sure. But I don't "think" any of those are for mac. could be wrong.

    The other stuff is really a "really?" for me. 

    no cart? I haven't noticed so can't comment.
    Regional pricing is on the Epic Store.


    Most of the folks still commenting on this aren't arguing in good faith or are simply being sarcastic (myself included in the sarcastic group).

    Most of the haters don't actually look to the source for info on what's included with the Epic store, they simply parrot what the others are saying or what they read on Reddit (thus the fear-mongering about Tencent you've seen).
    or the old thing as always, he did go once they haven't it then he don't bother looking back to it just to check if they improve, waste of time when tehre is others ofering the same, with would explain why they like to force thenself, to make people go back and tolerate they sub par ofering, we know they can't keep this up forever, so most people are just waiting for it to happen, some don't care enough and will always go for the best price, but when payment options is limited, or when a place or store mistreat consumer people tend to evade the place out of spite


    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019
    Sovrath said:

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    No Backup feature
    No adding third party games to your list
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    huh, you actually like some that stuff? I think most of it is sh*t.

    I'll give you the reviews, workshop is only good if the games support mods, wishlist sure, not sure what you mean by regional pricing. In the region's currency? If so yes, and "maybe" the cloud saves.

    I think overlay is crap, trading card, achievements, trading cards are unnecessary. 

    Once they get Mac games then sure. But I don't "think" any of those are for mac. could be wrong.

    The other stuff is really a "really?" for me. 

    no cart? I haven't noticed so can't comment.
    Regional pricing is on the Epic Store.


    Most of the folks still commenting on this aren't arguing in good faith or are simply being sarcastic (myself included in the sarcastic group).

    Most of the haters don't actually look to the source for info on what's included with the Epic store, they simply parrot what the others are saying or what they read on Reddit (thus the fear-mongering about Tencent you've seen).
    or the old thing as always, he did go once they haven't it then he don't bother looking back to it just to check if they improve, waste of time when tehre is others ofering the same, with would explain why they like to force thenself, to make people go back and tolerate they sub par ofering, we know they can't keep this up forever, so most people are just waiting for it to happen, some don't care enough and will always go for the best price, but when payment options is limited, or when a place or store mistreat consumer people tend to evade the place out of spite


    I treat it like any other tool- for my own benefit.


    Folks wanna virtue signal about it, then they're losing out on things like this sale and free games every two weeks.  And the virtue signalling isn't even objectively positive- this situation isn't so black and white.  So I say: suit yourself, I'll be over here using both Steam AND EGS to my gaming advantage. :D
    gervaise1TacticalZombehalkarionlogmmolou

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