Originally posted by darkaster Nice one chesterwiz, three posts in a row of pure ignorance and speculation.
SoE owned the rights to EQ when they started developing eq:luclin all the way up to eq2. I'm pretty sure Sigil dropped microsoft and grabbed SoE (but they are doing some self-publishing as well) in order to have bother creative and economic control over their game. Believe me, Brad McQuaid is not a dumb guy, and if he's at all active in the MMO community he saw what happened to SWG, and won't let it happen to Vanguard.
chlaos: I assume your referring to SWG? Well that wasn't entirely SoE's fault (where I'm not freeing them from blame) but it was also Lucas Art's fault... I also want to know what kind of "Experience" you have with SoE to know the way they operate business.
You are "ignorant" and "specualting" (in your words) if you think Vanguard will never be fully owned by $OE (or if you think all is perfect in your little bubble). Your just on the other side of the spectrum. Your looking at it half full I am looking at it half empty. Or is it the other way around. Go ahead and give them your $$ and have fun.
lol how did you come up with that? actually it is quite obvious Microsoft wanted to be involved in the development of vanguard so they chose funcom instead, thus sigil sticking to their word of protecting "the vision"
does it really matter who dropped who? even though both ms and sigil say it was mutual.....but believe what you want, keep convincing your selves that "vanguard is dead" if it makes you feel any better.
Originally posted by angerr [quote]Originally posted by aristoculous [b]well its clear now that Microsoft droped Sigil not the other way around. [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/E32006NewsRoom.cfm/loadNews/5224][/b][/quote] lol how did you come up with that? actually it is quite obvious Microsoft wanted to be involved in the development of vanguard so they chose funcom instead, thus sigil sticking to their word of protecting "the vision" does it really matter who dropped who? even though both ms and sigil say it was mutual.....but believe what you want, keep convincing your selves that "vanguard is dead" if it makes you feel any better.
From what I understand there will still be professional dealings with all 3 companies..due to Vista and all that. Sigil is still listed on Microsoft's game lineup that will be compatible with and able to run on Vista OS. I think that says there will still be some interaction happening there, don't think any bridges were burned by SIGIL buying the rights to publishing their own game.
[quote]Originally posted by Cendharia [b] Originally posted by angerr [quote]Originally posted by aristoculous[b]well its clear now that Microsoft droped Sigil not the other way around. [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/E32006NewsRoom.cfm/loadNews/5224][/b][/quote] lol how did you come up with that? actually it is quite obvious Microsoft wanted to be involved in the development of vanguard so they chose funcom instead, thus sigil sticking to their word of protecting "the vision" does it really matter who dropped who? even though both ms and sigil say it was mutual.....but believe what you want, keep convincing your selves that "vanguard is dead" if it makes you feel any better.
From what I understand there will still be professional dealings with all 3 companies..due to Vista and all that. Sigil is still listed on Microsoft's game lineup that will be compatible with and able to run on Vista OS. I think that says there will still be some interaction happening there, don't think any bridges were burned by SIGIL buying the rights to publishing their own game. Cend[/b][/quote]
yeah i read that as well, and as i said in another thread somewhere (there are lots lol) it just further proves that it was a mutual agreement and nobody "dropped" anybody.
"Sony also will add "Vanguard: Saga of Heroes" to the LaunchPad lineup this winter, Pearce said."
Take it from someone who saw SWG gutted to make the game "easier to play" that any PC game ported over to work on a console will have the challenge level of 'go fish.'
More game "revamps" or "upgrades" for all SOE games coming to a bugged patch near you....
I have read what Vanguard, Brad, and SOE have had to say about this particular deal. My impression is rather disillusioned, as the track record for SOE on their games is...dismal at best. Planetside, EQ2, SWG.....all games with infinite potential, ruined by corporate greed/poor techies.
Seeing what some of the people have posted here is already bad for public relations. When the attitude of numerous potential players is "If you don't like SOE, I don't wanna see you playing my game", it leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
What sort of attitude is that to have towards potential customers? I don't condone attacking prospects, especially when the only reason they're concerned is for YOUR game. SOE has a track record of "strongly influencing" certain aspects of products that they endorse. Just because you don't like that, doesn't mean it's not true. People cite SWG as an example because it's the most obvious and vivid example of the publisher interfering with the title.
Brad has stated personally, as well as the Vanguard devs, that there is no amount of bribery that could buy his game, and that you will not condone any behavior that encourages RMT in your game. While I haven't got any reason to question his character, I do have to question his resolve. That's fine and dandy that he doesn't condone it, but suppose SOE sets up a market on the side, that DOES encourage RMT? Or supposing they advertise with RMT affiliates for the game, which contains links to sites that DO provide that service? Do you expect me to believe that he would take action against SOE for going against his wishes, that he would defy his own publisher, at the risk of losing his job/project?
Also, by providing SOE your technical support, it seems at least slightly evident that you already do NOT care about your customers. You said yourself, as well as everyone else on this thread, SOE has the worst Technical Support in the business. How are you looking out for your customers by voluntarily subjecting them to sub-par service? I don't see any justifiable reason for doing so. After all, if there's no bribe in the world that can take the Sigil team down, then why would they tap out on supplying their own Customer Service team? Because it's cheaper? That seems like taking the simple way out to me, personally. What measures will be taken against people who do engage in RMT trade? A final problem I have comes with the fact that, many people believe Brad's vision for EQ was incredible, and that it was SOE that tainted that vision. Why then, would he willingly return to a partnership with a company that pollutes his vision? It doesn't make sense to me
I'm not saying I won't buy the product, I've been following it for several months. I will, however, not buy a game just because of what is promised by the dev team. I made that mistake with a certain game called Fable, where a certain man named Peter Molyneux made vast promises, and left his consumers with a generic flop. I believe it would be in Sigil's best interests to make it very public and clear that SOE has not, does not, and will not ever impact any decisions regarding budgeting, content, and updates...or you'll lose several customers before the game even comes out.
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Originally posted by Cymdai I have read what Vanguard, Brad, and SOE have had to say about this particular deal. My impression is rather disillusioned, as the track record for SOE on their games is...dismal at best. Planetside, EQ2, SWG.....all games with infinite potential, ruined by corporate greed/poor techies.Also, I saw a quote that already has me disimpressed on this thread alone from Brad. "anyone who boycotts a game just because of a publisher is just sad and im glad i wont see you in game"What sort of attitude is that to have towards potential customers? I don't condone attacking prospects, especially when the only reason they're concerned is for YOUR game. SOE has a track record of "strongly influencing" certain aspects of products that they endorse. Just because you don't like that, doesn't mean it's not true. People cite SWG as an example because it's the most obvious and vivid example of the publisher interfering with the title.You have stated personally, as well as the Vanguard devs, that there is no amount of bribery that could buy your game, and that you will not condone any behavior that encourages RMT in your game. While I haven't got any reason to question your character, I do have to question your resolve. That's fine and dandy that you don't condone it, but suppose SOE sets up a market on the side, that DOES encourage RMT? Or supposing they advertise with RMT affiliates for your game, which contains links to sites that DO provide that service? Do you expect me to believe that you would take action against SOE for going against your wishes, that you would defy your own publisher, at the risk of losing your job/project?Also, by providing SOE your technical support, it seems at least slightly evident that you already do NOT care about your customers. You said yourself, as well as everyone else on this thread, SOE has the worst Technical Support in the business. How are you looking out for your customers by voluntarily subjecting them to sub-par service? I don't see any justifiable reason for doing so. After all, if there's no bribe in the world that can take the Sigil team down, then why would they tap out on supplying their own Customer Service team? Because it's cheaper? That seems like taking the simple way out to me, personally. What measures will be taken against people who do engage in RMT trade?I'm not saying I won't buy your product, I've been following it for several months. I will, however, not buy a game just because of what is promised by the dev team. I made that mistake with a certain game called Fable, where a certain man named Peter Molyneux made vast promises, and left his consumers with a generic flop. I believe it would be in Sigil's best interests to make it very public and clear that SOE has not, does not, and will not ever impact any decisions regarding budgeting, content, and updates...or you'll lose several customers before your game even comes out.
could you please link me that quote where brad supposedly said that? thanks
Whoops, that was my personal mistake. I must have read through this thread too hastily. I saw the one post with the "Brad Mcquaid" at the bottom and mistook it to actually be him.
I'll edit my post right now, sorry about that. My mistake.
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Originally posted by Cymdai Whoops, that was my personal mistake. I must have read through this thread too hastily. I saw the one post with the "Brad Mcquaid" at the bottom and mistook it to actually be him.I'll edit my post right now, sorry about that. My mistake.
lol thanks for the freaking heart attack .... i was about to have a cow if he did say that lol
lol well......sure if thats how ya feel have you read the post by brad that touches on that sort of? if you haven't read it here it is...its a great post and seems very sincere
We did this in order to protect Vanguard -- to make sure it's the game you and I have both dreamed it would be, and to not be rushed out the door early. I made a promise to you all that we would protect Vanguard and the vision behind it -- this change, moving from Microsoft as publisher, to SOE as co-publisher, has done just that.
Also, I hope that most people are interested in Vanguard because of the features of the game, its target audience, and the developers behind it -- the vision. You seem to imply that the majority of interest behind Vanguard has its origins in more of a protest against SOE than the actual game itself. If that is the case, and I don't think it is, then the game would be a failure, because the game has to be a great game on its own -- who it is published by or co-published by cannot be the primary or even a siginficant issue. Vanguard has to stand on its own merits.
I have made every effort to explain why we made this move and why it was paramount to break away from Microsoft, purchase the publishing rights, and then choose SOE because of our relationship with them, their excellent ability to distribute and host MMOGs, their vacinity to us, how many of our people know people over there, are familar with their tech (making such a transition in terms of hosting, billing, operations, etc. MUCH more easier than had we gone with another MMOG publisher).
For the, IMHO, very few of you who were interested in Vanguard more as a protest against SOE than in the game itself, I suppose we may lose you as customers. Again, I don't think this is even close to the 90% you assert. People are interested in these games because of their features, who they are targetting, how the game looks and plays, and who is behind the development and design. Who ultimately hosts and distributes this game rates a much smaller issues for the vast majority of people interested in Vanguard.
That is not to say that I am dismissive of people's feelings about the issue. While I may not agree with many of the feelings people have towards SOE or other publishers, I respect them. They are feelings and the results of experiences, and I will not downplay those emotions or feelings; rather, I have nothing but respect for people's principles and standing up for what they think is right.
But I stress again, that our commitment to all of you was to make sure the vision behind Vanguard remained true and strong, and that we would not be swayed to try to make a different type of game, nor release the game too early. To uphold this commitment to you, we weighed all of our options, searched our hearts, and after long and careful thought, made this call: to raise the money to buy the publishing rights from Microsoft and then to co-publish the game with SOE.
You may not feel such a decision was intelligent -- that's fine. All I can say is that I respectfully disagree -- the decisions we made and what we are doing, while involving several factors, resides on one key one: doing whatever it takes to make sure Vanguard turns into what we promised and what we want the game to be and what we feel the the vast majority of people on our boards and elsewhere (those interested in Vanguard) want Vanguard to be. After careful and long though and consideration, and what with all due respect I submit to you *was* intelligent, we decided this course of action was the best way to give us the influence over Vanguard that we needed to uphold our promise to you and to ourselves.
SOE is one of the best, of not the best hosts of MMOGs. They are also one of the best distributors of MMOGs. Their tech is familar to us because it is based on tech many Sigil employees have worked with and even helped developed when they previously worked at SOE. We also have a lot of friends at SOE, which will make this transition go all the more easy.
That is why we 1. broke away from Microsoft and are determined to raise the money to purchase back the publishing rights and 2. why it was the most intelligent and logical decision to choose SOE as our co-publisher, host, and distributor.
For those of you who have no issue with SOE and enjoy their games, you will be able to play Vanguard as part of their station pass. For those of you only interested in Vanguard, you will be able to subscribe to Vanguard only. For those of you who trust our judgement and expect us to hold true to our promise to protect Vanguard and its vision, I humbly ask that you continue to trust us as you have trusted us in the past. For those of you who absolutely refuse to support SOE in anyway, while I respect your convictions, please understand that you have placed those convictions *above* your desire to insure Vanguard turns out to be the game we promised it would be. It's your call, and again I respect your decision. At the very least, if you choose to not buy Vanguard because of these convictions, I ask the following in return: that you also respect *our* convictions, that we will do anything and everything we can to launch and then keep building Vanguard after launch per what we have advertised Vanguard to be. Perhaps your convictions and ours are in conflict and fundamentally incompatible -- if so, then so be it. We each have to do what our principles and convictions tell us to do.http://silkyvenom.com/pages/devtracker/index.php?go=posts&get=dev&fromsite=1&id=7&p=4
I'm not shocked at this move, but eh, never effected me, I just find it funny how in the past this team "had to move away" from SOE to make it's game, now flocks to go under it's wing again. Funny how similar these two companies are, oh well, good luck to those that play, SOE = Sucks Out Everything and let's not forget the slogan, "We Outsource Everything".
As for Microsoft, if they dropped this there is a financial reason, I would guess longevity of the title.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I too miss SWG, maybe the bioware rumor will be true... hoping
Rumor? Burn the infidel!
Bioware will change the MMO market, forever! Talk with caution, have doubts, shy away, it won't change what it going to happen...Bioware, a real RPG company, is taking over the MMORPG market, about freaking time a RPG company move into that void!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
At one time everyone thought Vanguard was going to be the best out there. Now it's not because of a publication company that CANNOT touch the gameplay at all. The same will happen for bioware...it seems today people get pissed about anything. Sure, SOE sucks. . .but their advertisments rock. And that's all their going to do in Vanguard, is advertise the game.
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It tells me alot about a company, when, everyone bails out of support for a game even when the association is minimal. It's clear SOE needs to keep their hands off MMO's. Furthermore, if a game company doesn't realize the mistake by associating themselves with SOE, they are truly out of touch with the mmo fan base... SOE spells doom for mmo's. I sure hope other companies take note of this.
Originally posted by Glock21 It tells me alot about a company, when, everyone bails out of support for a game even when the association is minimal. It's clear SOE needs to keep their hands off MMO's. Furthermore, if a game company doesn't realize the mistake by associating themselves with SOE, they are truly out of touch with the mmo fan base... SOE spells doom for mmo's. I sure hope other companies take note of this.
Agreed! SOE did a good job in the beginning with EQ, and really launch this genre of game wide open. I thank them for that. Now, to present day... something happened to them.. whatever it is, I don't know. But, in my opinion, they ruin whatever they touch. They should get out before they ruin more games.
Originally posted by Glock21 It tells me alot about a company, when, everyone bails out of support for a game even when the association is minimal. It's clear SOE needs to keep their hands off MMO's. Furthermore, if a game company doesn't realize the mistake by associating themselves with SOE, they are truly out of touch with the mmo fan base... SOE spells doom for mmo's. I sure hope other companies take note of this.
Not "everyone" agrees with you and you don't speak for the entire MMO fan base.
Once you realize that you'll understand the world doesn't revolve around what you think about SoE or any other company for that matter.
Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by Glock21 It tells me alot about a company, when, everyone bails out of support for a game even when the association is minimal. It's clear SOE needs to keep their hands off MMO's. Furthermore, if a game company doesn't realize the mistake by associating themselves with SOE, they are truly out of touch with the mmo fan base... SOE spells doom for mmo's. I sure hope other companies take note of this.
Not "everyone" agrees with you and you don't speak for the entire MMO fan base.
Once you realize that you'll understand the world doesn't revolve around what you think about SoE or any other company for that matter.
Come on...Brad keeps posting on how soe is not allowed to touch the game in anyway...would he be doing that if everyone loved soe? Even smedley the president of soe posted on the foh forums assuring everyone that he had no intentions on touching the game.
Isnt it sad that a company has such a bad reputation they have to tell people they have nothing to do with the dev of a game just to get people to buy it.
So fine not 'everyone' agrees with him but everyone cept you and maybe 5 other guys do.
Originally posted by MaeEye At one time everyone thought Vanguard was going to be the best out there. Now it's not
*grin evilly*
Of all the peoples I know in RL, I am the most 'pro-Vanguard' and unless they made some critical changes, I don't think it will even be a 'niche' game, not even that. And I see SoE as an improvement, because when they will make it into the design room, it can only improve the product. SoE will make it to the design room, it is more a question of WHEN than anything else. Aradune himself knows it. SoE is a horny man, Sigil is a naive girl, they share the same bed but nothing will happen, it is only sleeping...well, you get the rest of the picture, didn't you?
You either...have very weird friends, have weird concept of everyone, or never leave your guild forums.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by kable Come on...Brad keeps posting on how soe is not allowed to touch the game in anyway...would he be doing that if everyone loved soe? Even smedley the president of soe posted on the foh forums assuring everyone that he had no intentions on touching the game.
Isnt it sad that a company has such a bad reputation they have to tell people they have nothing to do with the dev of a game just to get people to buy it.
So fine not 'everyone' agrees with him but everyone cept you and maybe 5 other guys do.
You have negated your whole argument. If Brad spent so much time answering posts because he was smart enough to know that SOE was universally hated (as you assume)....then doesn't that mean he should be smart enough to know SOE shouldn't publish his game? Or are you really saying that he knowingly decided to put his game into the hands of a universally hated company? You can't give him credit for being business savvy on the one hand but a business baffoon on the other.
If again as you assume SOE is universally hated, then who exactly is paying the subscription fees which make them the juggernaut of the MMO universe? Obviously, the vast majority of SOE subscribers don't have the issues you have with this company. It just isn't reality to assume that all the subscribers hate SOE as much as you people and still are paying their fees. A few maybe, but most? show me the data.
The truth is that you are just absolutely dead stinking wrong that SOE is universally hated by the MMO community. A much more realistic assumtion would be that a few love SOE, the vast majority could not care less about their game's publisher, and a few hate SOE. A FEW. The vast majority aren't logging into forums to declare their indifference to SOE. You almost never see this:
Section: General Discussion
Forum: News Discussion
Topic: SOE: I am totally indifferent to this company!!
And why would you? Indifference means you don't care enough to write a blog, post a reply or anything like that. So naturally you don't know by reading forums how many people just don't care about SOE. Let me say that again in a simpler way, YOU DON"T KNOW how many people hate SOE, love SOE or are indifferent to SOE. YOU DON"T KNOW.
But when one hates, one hates loud...you log in and post 'worst episode ever' thinking the world is now on your side, because you have seen sooooo many other haters flaming, you assume everyone is on board. When the people who don't care, don't respond. Leaving your concept of the universe totally skewed, cuz after all doesn't every real gamer write down every emotion they ever have about any company in as many forums as they possibly can?
Now I'm not saying I know the answers. I don't. But I do have a working concept of factoring multiple variables into the assumptions I make. And that means, logically, a company hated by the majority of their patrons cannot stand. Ergo....SOE is not hated.
Is it not logical to assume that if everyone hated SOE then their revenues would be in a downward spiral right now? Is it also not logical to assume that SOE is doing pretty freakin good financially, and therefore is a solid company with a strong subscriber base?
Your logic is solely based on what you have seen in forums, and I don't care how many hate posts you've seen, it isn't an accurate sampling by any professional standards.
You haters have truly created a great fantasy world in which SOE is universally hated, no one plays their games, no revenue is coming into their coffers and yet magically they have the capital and stockholder support to aquire Vanguards publishing rights.
Brad was smart. He knew that there was a bell curve of feelings toward SOE. Some who love, most who don't care and then you people. The haters in the narrow right margin of the bell curve. He knew you idiots would log on and scream foul. He was nice enough to try to put out the fire the flamers started. Those who love saw his intelligence and thoughtfulness shine through while dealing with you morons.
Most of us who are indifferent to SOE laughed when we found the news, not cuz we cared, but cuz we knew the flamers were gonna go nuts. Thanks for letting us watch you folks blow your stacks. Your irrationality, lack of any sense of a world away from your blogs and overreactions to self-constructed dilusions was a lot of fun.
I guess it is the sign of a game like Vanguard being needed. You are all so bored in your real lives and in your mmo's that you have created an entire lore surrounding the boss mob SOE and the raid force it will require to take it down. And your theories of the evil spewing forth from SOE's presence is based solely on forum postings by a small minority who got peaved when their bp got nerfed from 20 ac to 18 ac. Show me some hard facts from the stock market, business journals and demographic studies and then I'll believe that SOE is universally hated. Until then it's simply posts from idiots who like to pretend they know all about corporate America and how it works and galantly parade to their favorite forum to let their indignation ring throughout the world. Get a life people. We are laughing at you, not with you.
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[quote]Originally posted by aristoculous
[b]well its clear now that Microsoft droped Sigil not the other way around.
[url=http://www.mmorpg.com/E32006NewsRoom.cfm/loadNews/5224][/b][/quote]
lol how did you come up with that? actually it is quite obvious Microsoft wanted to be involved in the development of vanguard so they chose funcom instead, thus sigil sticking to their word of protecting "the vision"
does it really matter who dropped who? even though both ms and sigil say it was mutual.....but believe what you want, keep convincing your selves that "vanguard is dead" if it makes you feel any better.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
From what I understand there will still be professional dealings with all 3 companies..due to Vista and all that. Sigil is still listed on Microsoft's game lineup that will be compatible with and able to run on Vista OS. I think that says there will still be some interaction happening there, don't think any bridges were burned by SIGIL buying the rights to publishing their own game.
Cend
Question:
Were players playing vanguard part of the "vision"?
I really don't care one way or the other, since I don't plan to play Vanguard, but this part of Malakai's post I have to respond to:
Let's not forget how many choices for online gameplay players had back then, and how little they knew about how online gameplay should/could be.
[quote]Originally posted by Cendharia
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Originally posted by angerr
[quote]Originally posted by aristoculous[b]well its clear now that Microsoft droped Sigil not the other way around.
[url=http://www.mmorpg.com/E32006NewsRoom.cfm/loadNews/5224][/b][/quote]
lol how did you come up with that? actually it is quite obvious Microsoft wanted to be involved in the development of vanguard so they chose funcom instead, thus sigil sticking to their word of protecting "the vision"
does it really matter who dropped who? even though both ms and sigil say it was mutual.....but believe what you want, keep convincing your selves that "vanguard is dead" if it makes you feel any better.
From what I understand there will still be professional dealings with all 3 companies..due to Vista and all that. Sigil is still listed on Microsoft's game lineup that will be compatible with and able to run on Vista OS. I think that says there will still be some interaction happening there, don't think any bridges were burned by SIGIL buying the rights to publishing their own game.
Cend[/b][/quote]
yeah i read that as well, and as i said in another thread somewhere (there are lots lol) it just further proves that it was a mutual agreement and nobody "dropped" anybody.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
LOL for all who had excuses for SOE
Link below
Sony's "LaunchPad" hints to PS3 online strategy
"Sony also will add "Vanguard: Saga of Heroes" to the LaunchPad lineup this winter, Pearce said."
Take it from someone who saw SWG gutted to make the game "easier to play" that any PC game ported over to work on a console will have the challenge level of 'go fish.'
More game "revamps" or "upgrades" for all SOE games coming to a bugged patch near you....
I have read what Vanguard, Brad, and SOE have had to say about this particular deal. My impression is rather disillusioned, as the track record for SOE on their games is...dismal at best. Planetside, EQ2, SWG.....all games with infinite potential, ruined by corporate greed/poor techies.
Seeing what some of the people have posted here is already bad for public relations. When the attitude of numerous potential players is "If you don't like SOE, I don't wanna see you playing my game", it leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
What sort of attitude is that to have towards potential customers? I don't condone attacking prospects, especially when the only reason they're concerned is for YOUR game. SOE has a track record of "strongly influencing" certain aspects of products that they endorse. Just because you don't like that, doesn't mean it's not true. People cite SWG as an example because it's the most obvious and vivid example of the publisher interfering with the title.
Brad has stated personally, as well as the Vanguard devs, that there is no amount of bribery that could buy his game, and that you will not condone any behavior that encourages RMT in your game. While I haven't got any reason to question his character, I do have to question his resolve. That's fine and dandy that he doesn't condone it, but suppose SOE sets up a market on the side, that DOES encourage RMT? Or supposing they advertise with RMT affiliates for the game, which contains links to sites that DO provide that service? Do you expect me to believe that he would take action against SOE for going against his wishes, that he would defy his own publisher, at the risk of losing his job/project?
Also, by providing SOE your technical support, it seems at least slightly evident that you already do NOT care about your customers. You said yourself, as well as everyone else on this thread, SOE has the worst Technical Support in the business. How are you looking out for your customers by voluntarily subjecting them to sub-par service? I don't see any justifiable reason for doing so. After all, if there's no bribe in the world that can take the Sigil team down, then why would they tap out on supplying their own Customer Service team? Because it's cheaper? That seems like taking the simple way out to me, personally. What measures will be taken against people who do engage in RMT trade? A final problem I have comes with the fact that, many people believe Brad's vision for EQ was incredible, and that it was SOE that tainted that vision. Why then, would he willingly return to a partnership with a company that pollutes his vision? It doesn't make sense to me
I'm not saying I won't buy the product, I've been following it for several months. I will, however, not buy a game just because of what is promised by the dev team. I made that mistake with a certain game called Fable, where a certain man named Peter Molyneux made vast promises, and left his consumers with a generic flop. I believe it would be in Sigil's best interests to make it very public and clear that SOE has not, does not, and will not ever impact any decisions regarding budgeting, content, and updates...or you'll lose several customers before the game even comes out.
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could you please link me that quote where brad supposedly said that? thanks
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
opps my bad, "anyone who boycotts a game just because of a publisher is just sad and im glad i wont see you in game"
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I'll edit my post right now, sorry about that. My mistake.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
lol thanks for the freaking heart attack
.... i was about to have a cow if he did say that lol 
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Is that better? Check out the edited post.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
lol well......sure if thats how ya feel
have you read the post by brad that touches on that sort of? if you haven't read it here it is...its a great post and seems very sincere
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I'm not shocked at this move, but eh, never effected me, I just find it funny how in the past this team "had to move away" from SOE to make it's game, now flocks to go under it's wing again. Funny how similar these two companies are, oh well, good luck to those that play, SOE = Sucks Out Everything and let's not forget the slogan, "We Outsource Everything".
As for Microsoft, if they dropped this there is a financial reason, I would guess longevity of the title."The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
Rumor? Burn the infidel!
Bioware will change the MMO market, forever! Talk with caution, have doubts, shy away, it won't change what it going to happen...Bioware, a real RPG company, is taking over the MMORPG market, about freaking time a RPG company move into that void!
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It tells me alot about a company, when, everyone bails out of support for a game even when the association is minimal. It's clear SOE needs to keep their hands off MMO's. Furthermore, if a game company doesn't realize the mistake by associating themselves with SOE, they are truly out of touch with the mmo fan base... SOE spells doom for mmo's. I sure hope other companies take note of this.
Agreed! SOE did a good job in the beginning with EQ, and really launch this genre of game wide open. I thank them for that. Now, to present day... something happened to them.. whatever it is, I don't know. But, in my opinion, they ruin whatever they touch. They should get out before they ruin more games.
Once you realize that you'll understand the world doesn't revolve around what you think about SoE or any other company for that matter.
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Once you realize that you'll understand the world doesn't revolve around what you think about SoE or any other company for that matter.
Come on...Brad keeps posting on how soe is not allowed to touch the game in anyway...would he be doing that if everyone loved soe? Even smedley the president of soe posted on the foh forums assuring everyone that he had no intentions on touching the game.
Isnt it sad that a company has such a bad reputation they have to tell people they have nothing to do with the dev of a game just to get people to buy it.
So fine not 'everyone' agrees with him but everyone cept you and maybe 5 other guys do.
*grin evilly*
Of all the peoples I know in RL, I am the most 'pro-Vanguard' and unless they made some critical changes, I don't think it will even be a 'niche' game, not even that. And I see SoE as an improvement, because when they will make it into the design room, it can only improve the product. SoE will make it to the design room, it is more a question of WHEN than anything else. Aradune himself knows it. SoE is a horny man, Sigil is a naive girl, they share the same bed but nothing will happen, it is only sleeping...well, you get the rest of the picture, didn't you?
You either...have very weird friends, have weird concept of everyone, or never leave your guild forums.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Isnt it sad that a company has such a bad reputation they have to tell people they have nothing to do with the dev of a game just to get people to buy it.
So fine not 'everyone' agrees with him but everyone cept you and maybe 5 other guys do.
You have negated your whole argument. If Brad spent so much time answering posts because he was smart enough to know that SOE was universally hated (as you assume)....then doesn't that mean he should be smart enough to know SOE shouldn't publish his game? Or are you really saying that he knowingly decided to put his game into the hands of a universally hated company? You can't give him credit for being business savvy on the one hand but a business baffoon on the other.
If again as you assume SOE is universally hated, then who exactly is paying the subscription fees which make them the juggernaut of the MMO universe? Obviously, the vast majority of SOE subscribers don't have the issues you have with this company. It just isn't reality to assume that all the subscribers hate SOE as much as you people and still are paying their fees. A few maybe, but most? show me the data.
The truth is that you are just absolutely dead stinking wrong that SOE is universally hated by the MMO community. A much more realistic assumtion would be that a few love SOE, the vast majority could not care less about their game's publisher, and a few hate SOE. A FEW. The vast majority aren't logging into forums to declare their indifference to SOE. You almost never see this:
Section: General Discussion
Forum: News Discussion
Topic: SOE: I am totally indifferent to this company!!
And why would you? Indifference means you don't care enough to write a blog, post a reply or anything like that. So naturally you don't know by reading forums how many people just don't care about SOE. Let me say that again in a simpler way, YOU DON"T KNOW how many people hate SOE, love SOE or are indifferent to SOE. YOU DON"T KNOW.
But when one hates, one hates loud...you log in and post 'worst episode ever' thinking the world is now on your side, because you have seen sooooo many other haters flaming, you assume everyone is on board. When the people who don't care, don't respond. Leaving your concept of the universe totally skewed, cuz after all doesn't every real gamer write down every emotion they ever have about any company in as many forums as they possibly can?
Now I'm not saying I know the answers. I don't. But I do have a working concept of factoring multiple variables into the assumptions I make. And that means, logically, a company hated by the majority of their patrons cannot stand. Ergo....SOE is not hated.
Is it not logical to assume that if everyone hated SOE then their revenues would be in a downward spiral right now? Is it also not logical to assume that SOE is doing pretty freakin good financially, and therefore is a solid company with a strong subscriber base?
Your logic is solely based on what you have seen in forums, and I don't care how many hate posts you've seen, it isn't an accurate sampling by any professional standards.
You haters have truly created a great fantasy world in which SOE is universally hated, no one plays their games, no revenue is coming into their coffers and yet magically they have the capital and stockholder support to aquire Vanguards publishing rights.
Brad was smart. He knew that there was a bell curve of feelings toward SOE. Some who love, most who don't care and then you people. The haters in the narrow right margin of the bell curve. He knew you idiots would log on and scream foul. He was nice enough to try to put out the fire the flamers started. Those who love saw his intelligence and thoughtfulness shine through while dealing with you morons.
Most of us who are indifferent to SOE laughed when we found the news, not cuz we cared, but cuz we knew the flamers were gonna go nuts. Thanks for letting us watch you folks blow your stacks. Your irrationality, lack of any sense of a world away from your blogs and overreactions to self-constructed dilusions was a lot of fun.
I guess it is the sign of a game like Vanguard being needed. You are all so bored in your real lives and in your mmo's that you have created an entire lore surrounding the boss mob SOE and the raid force it will require to take it down. And your theories of the evil spewing forth from SOE's presence is based solely on forum postings by a small minority who got peaved when their bp got nerfed from 20 ac to 18 ac. Show me some hard facts from the stock market, business journals and demographic studies and then I'll believe that SOE is universally hated. Until then it's simply posts from idiots who like to pretend they know all about corporate America and how it works and galantly parade to their favorite forum to let their indignation ring throughout the world. Get a life people. We are laughing at you, not with you.