Originally posted by kable Originally posted by Zorgo Originally posted by kable Soe controls 7% of the mmo market outa how many publishing companies? Consider that most these companies are small independants and blizzard only has one game out, as well soe is one of the oldest and started off with the fisrt big hit 'EQ' the template which must other mmos have been basing themselves on....And soe also hd the license to starwars which shld of been a surething...and I think soe is doing an awfull job. Even Ncsoft, which publishes small independant companies games have passed soe!! There is no reason why soe with all there games and years head start shouldnt have a dominant grip on the market. Having only 7% is really quite sad and just further shows how incompetent they have been. After all I believ there highestr sub game is still EQ 1 a game that came out 9 years ago !!!!!
Way to kick a man after he admits his mistake. Judging by your character, you must play a paladin. If youll remember, I did say that SOE had an incredible share of the market while Blizzard's was down right amazing. Now, I"m not sure what your degree is in, but you may be surprised to know that in a free market capitalist economy, 7% of a given market is, yes, incredible. Out of how many companies? Dozens it appears, which still makes it impressive.
You guys keep acting like SOE games are dying. I can assure you that EQ2 and EQ's customer bases are every bit as loyal as NCSofts. After all, some have their accounts after 9 years? (but it isn't 9 years, eq = 1999, this is 2006....7 years). Still, that's pretty freakin loyal. Your same example is actually validation of my assertion that SOE is doin' fine. My friends on EQ2 couldn't be turned to another game if I had a gun to their head. You can't say that NCSoft has a loyal customer base and SOE doesn't. Every time you open your mouth, you prove to me further that you are acting solely on emotion, you don't have a working sense of business fundamentals and your intent is simply to spread your indignation of Sony to the world.
Unless someone can provide some good links or some rational arguments to show that SOE is losing its customer base due to a poor reputation , I'm finished with this thread. I was trying to explore the rationale behind Vanguards move, you guys wanna flame SOE. Flame on.
Sigh...I wont even bother responding to the first part of your post (makes no sense to me) I already explained my self and even stated I am not an soe hater.
As for the last part of your post, you want links? try mmorpg.com there's a nice 13 page long thread there about soe to co-publish with sigil. Want more on how soe has a bad rep. try going to any game forum... they all have the same sentiments. Heck if you dont trust the internet, there was even a good article in the feburary edition of computer gaming world. Even ign had an article awhile back on the backlash soe has been getting.
Once again I dont hate soe and im not trying to kick you while your down ...I just disagree with you. You think most people love soe and I think most dont. You think soe should be proud of its 7%(even though they once had 90 %) control of the market, I think its hilarious that small companies are are kicking the ass of a huge corporation with near unlimited resources.
P.S. and i dont have no fancy degree and your right I never had much of a head for business so maybe i am the one who is wrong.
Im pretty he knows most people dont like SOE but he mean't that you can not say NCsoft has a more loyal fan database than SOE. I think EQ and EQ 2 has one of the best fan databases in the mmorpg gaming world. Almost anyone who plays EQ2 loves it. And anyone still playing EQ has been playing for years and would swear by the game. Back when SOE controlled 90% of the gameing market (I dont think they ever had 90% of it but im going by what u are saying) there wasnt a third of the mmorpg companys as there is now. And about the near unlimited resources of SOE. I'm sure Sony's biggest market wasn't ever mmorpgs. So they might of had a little bit more money than smaller companys but they had a buget like any other company.
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Originally posted by Cymdai The argument isn't that old SOE titles are dying. At least that's night what I'm arguing about.
The argument is that SOE's involvement with Vanguard has cost them subscriptions before the game even came out.
Also, every game has a loyal fanbase. That doesn't mean much to me...hell, even Mourning had a few people who supported that game and that company. Does that make Mourning a good game, or their founders a good company? Read that ridiculously long topic...there were people that still defended them and were pleased with them, but by no means do fanboys make a company good...
The same can be said for the flamers/haters. No, we don't make SOE a bad company. SOE makes SOE a bad company, we just express out hatred for them openly and regularly, and explain why we hate their guts on so many different levels.
SOE involvementmight cost some subscriptions in the begining but if it is a good game then after some time and people saying what a good game it is more people will join. SOE is capable of makeing a good game (SWG) we just have to hope they dont kill it after it becomes great.
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I pray, good sir, that you did not just say SOE made SWG a "good game". Especially considering so many people define SWG as the poster-child for failure in the MMORPG world...
I do agree though, if Sigil can make a game that is indeed so wonderful, people are willing to look past it's publisher. I for one hate SOE, but Planetside is enough fun for me to enjoy, despite the fact SOE made and operates it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Im pretty he knows most people dont like SOE but he mean't that you can not say NCsoft has a more loyal fan database than SOE. I think EQ and EQ 2 has one of the best fan databases in the mmorpg gaming world. Almost anyone who plays EQ2 loves it. And anyone still playing EQ has been playing for years and would swear by the game. Back when SOE controlled 90% of the gameing market (I dont think they ever had 90% of it but im going by what u are saying) there wasnt a third of the mmorpg companys as there is now. And about the near unlimited resources of SOE. I'm sure Sony's biggest market wasn't ever mmorpgs. So they might of had a little bit more money than smaller companys but they had a buget like any other company.
I use windows os as does almost everyone else...I even like it somewhat....Does that make loyal to microsoft and billgate fans??
Sorry but im gonna havta disagree with you as well. Yes I know there are lots of people that play and love eq1&2, but that dont make them loyal fans of soe. Go to the eq forums and you'll see what I mean...you wont find many I love soe or soe is the best post in fact youll find the opposite. Sure people love eq and maybe a couple of their devs but not soe. Now go to any blizzard forum and you'll see the difference. How many people out there would buy a game right away if it had the blizzard name on it and how many would do the same for soe. And yes while everyone has budgets soe has the huge advantage of having the "unlimited resources" of sony at there disposal
Originally posted by kable Originally posted by jvh8990
Im pretty he knows most people dont like SOE but he mean't that you can not say NCsoft has a more loyal fan database than SOE. I think EQ and EQ 2 has one of the best fan databases in the mmorpg gaming world. Almost anyone who plays EQ2 loves it. And anyone still playing EQ has been playing for years and would swear by the game. Back when SOE controlled 90% of the gameing market (I dont think they ever had 90% of it but im going by what u are saying) there wasnt a third of the mmorpg companys as there is now. And about the near unlimited resources of SOE. I'm sure Sony's biggest market wasn't ever mmorpgs. So they might of had a little bit more money than smaller companys but they had a buget like any other company.
I use windows os as does almost everyone else...I even like it somewhat....Does that make loyal to microsoft and billgate fans??
Sorry but im gonna havta disagree with you as well. Yes I know there are lots of people that play and love eq1&2, but that dont make them loyal fans of soe. Go to the eq forums and you'll see what I mean...you wont find many I love soe or soe is the best post in fact youll find the opposite. Sure people love eq and maybe a couple of their devs but not soe. Now go to any blizzard forum and you'll see the difference. How many people out there would buy a game right away if it had the blizzard name on it and how many would do the same for soe. And yes while everyone has budgets soe has the huge advantage of having the "unlimited resources" of sony at there disposal
When i said SOE has a loyal fan Database i ment that they have people who love there games like EQ,EQ2. I didnt mean that the people who like the games also think that SOE is "Da bomb". Even I who plays and loves EQ2 dislike SOE because of what they did to SWG. And you are right about how many people like blizzard and even if they don't like WOW they still dont hate blizzard because blizzard has yet to (if they ever will) distroy a great game. And i dont know how many people have said that SOE has unlimited resources but they are way off. Sony is not going to give SOE 100's of millions of dollars to create mmorpg's. There line of games is just like a little way for Sony to make some more money. And im not saying that Sony is out to get every ones money or some how trick people into wasteing their money on SWG and then distroying the game (I have seen so many people saying this. Do they even know how stupid this sounds? They are loseing money by killing SWG). They are just like any other company even blizzard wants to make more money.
We are the movers and shakers of the world, forever.
Originally posted by Cymdai I pray, good sir, that you did not just say SOE made SWG a "good game". Especially considering so many people define SWG as the poster-child for failure in the MMORPG world...
I do agree though, if Sigil can make a game that is indeed so wonderful, people are willing to look past it's publisher. I for one hate SOE, but Planetside is enough fun for me to enjoy, despite the fact SOE made and operates it.
Yes i did say that SOE made SWG a great game. It was one of the most popular games out there untill SOE killed it by makeing NGE. Even still there is quite a few people still playing it.
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Well at least this won't end up like Fable, a game i hadn't felt so excited about since Zelda:OOT. There were so many exciting innovative features planned for Fable and I believe MS rushed this title into release unfinished(hence fable-the lost chapters). From stuff I've read posted by nda breakers it seems Vanguard is quite empty features-wise as well. So I'm glad they've gone with a publisher that will give them the time to make sure this game is of the highest quality before they release it.
No offense to the poster, but I don't believe what Sigil and SOE are saying. That's because Brad said all of these same things about Sigil's relationship with Microsoft before. But I'll tell you what. If Sigil wants to post a downloadable copy of its contract with SOE (all of the documents, not just select ones) I'll read it and verify if what they are saying about SOE's involvements/rights is true. They can redact the actual dollar amounts.
In the meantime, showing me that some Sigil Dev posted something means jack. They have said the exact oppositie before.
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I have read post on almost every forum related to Vanquard, Sony and now Perpetual (Gods and Heroes) the hate for $OE is of gigantic proportion, and I am one of them, SOE can go to HELL!!!
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Way to kick a man after he admits his mistake. Judging by your character, you must play a paladin. If youll remember, I did say that SOE had an incredible share of the market while Blizzard's was down right amazing. Now, I"m not sure what your degree is in, but you may be surprised to know that in a free market capitalist economy, 7% of a given market is, yes, incredible. Out of how many companies? Dozens it appears, which still makes it impressive.
You guys keep acting like SOE games are dying. I can assure you that EQ2 and EQ's customer bases are every bit as loyal as NCSofts. After all, some have their accounts after 9 years? (but it isn't 9 years, eq = 1999, this is 2006....7 years). Still, that's pretty freakin loyal. Your same example is actually validation of my assertion that SOE is doin' fine. My friends on EQ2 couldn't be turned to another game if I had a gun to their head. You can't say that NCSoft has a loyal customer base and SOE doesn't. Every time you open your mouth, you prove to me further that you are acting solely on emotion, you don't have a working sense of business fundamentals and your intent is simply to spread your indignation of Sony to the world.
Unless someone can provide some good links or some rational arguments to show that SOE is losing its customer base due to a poor reputation , I'm finished with this thread. I was trying to explore the rationale behind Vanguards move, you guys wanna flame SOE. Flame on.
Sigh...I wont even bother responding to the first part of your post (makes no sense to me) I already explained my self and even stated I am not an soe hater.
As for the last part of your post, you want links? try mmorpg.com there's a nice 13 page long thread there about soe to co-publish with sigil. Want more on how soe has a bad rep. try going to any game forum... they all have the same sentiments. Heck if you dont trust the internet, there was even a good article in the feburary edition of computer gaming world. Even ign had an article awhile back on the backlash soe has been getting.
Once again I dont hate soe and im not trying to kick you while your down ...I just disagree with you. You think most people love soe and I think most dont. You think soe should be proud of its 7%(even though they once had 90 %) control of the market, I think its hilarious that small companies are are kicking the ass of a huge corporation with near unlimited resources.
P.S. and i dont have no fancy degree and your right I never had much of a head for business so maybe i am the one who is wrong.
Im pretty he knows most people dont like SOE but he mean't that you can not say NCsoft has a more loyal fan database than SOE. I think EQ and EQ 2 has one of the best fan databases in the mmorpg gaming world. Almost anyone who plays EQ2 loves it. And anyone still playing EQ has been playing for years and would swear by the game. Back when SOE controlled 90% of the gameing market (I dont think they ever had 90% of it but im going by what u are saying) there wasnt a third of the mmorpg companys as there is now. And about the near unlimited resources of SOE. I'm sure Sony's biggest market wasn't ever mmorpgs. So they might of had a little bit more money than smaller companys but they had a buget like any other company.
We are the movers and shakers of the world, forever.
We are the movers and shakers of the world, forever.
I do agree though, if Sigil can make a game that is indeed so wonderful, people are willing to look past it's publisher. I for one hate SOE, but Planetside is enough fun for me to enjoy, despite the fact SOE made and operates it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I use windows os as does almost everyone else...I even like it somewhat....Does that make loyal to microsoft and billgate fans??
Sorry but im gonna havta disagree with you as well. Yes I know there are lots of people that play and love eq1&2, but that dont make them loyal fans of soe. Go to the eq forums and you'll see what I mean...you wont find many I love soe or soe is the best post in fact youll find the opposite. Sure people love eq and maybe a couple of their devs but not soe. Now go to any blizzard forum and you'll see the difference. How many people out there would buy a game right away if it had the blizzard name on it and how many would do the same for soe. And yes while everyone has budgets soe has the huge advantage of having the "unlimited resources" of sony at there disposal
I use windows os as does almost everyone else...I even like it somewhat....Does that make loyal to microsoft and billgate fans??
Sorry but im gonna havta disagree with you as well. Yes I know there are lots of people that play and love eq1&2, but that dont make them loyal fans of soe. Go to the eq forums and you'll see what I mean...you wont find many I love soe or soe is the best post in fact youll find the opposite. Sure people love eq and maybe a couple of their devs but not soe. Now go to any blizzard forum and you'll see the difference. How many people out there would buy a game right away if it had the blizzard name on it and how many would do the same for soe. And yes while everyone has budgets soe has the huge advantage of having the "unlimited resources" of sony at there disposal
When i said SOE has a loyal fan Database i ment that they have people who love there games like EQ,EQ2. I didnt mean that the people who like the games also think that SOE is "Da bomb". Even I who plays and loves EQ2 dislike SOE because of what they did to SWG. And you are right about how many people like blizzard and even if they don't like WOW they still dont hate blizzard because blizzard has yet to (if they ever will) distroy a great game. And i dont know how many people have said that SOE has unlimited resources but they are way off. Sony is not going to give SOE 100's of millions of dollars to create mmorpg's. There line of games is just like a little way for Sony to make some more money. And im not saying that Sony is out to get every ones money or some how trick people into wasteing their money on SWG and then distroying the game (I have seen so many people saying this. Do they even know how stupid this sounds? They are loseing money by killing SWG). They are just like any other company even blizzard wants to make more money.
We are the movers and shakers of the world, forever.
We are the movers and shakers of the world, forever.
No offense to the poster, but I don't believe what Sigil and SOE are saying. That's because Brad said all of these same things about Sigil's relationship with Microsoft before. But I'll tell you what. If Sigil wants to post a downloadable copy of its contract with SOE (all of the documents, not just select ones) I'll read it and verify if what they are saying about SOE's involvements/rights is true. They can redact the actual dollar amounts.
In the meantime, showing me that some Sigil Dev posted something means jack. They have said the exact oppositie before.
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