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Malakai
Member Posts: 147
Well it looks like Vanguard was a success at E3. As one wise poster in another thread said, a good 50% of the subscribers will come from people who read magazine/internet reviews and I believe that to be true. So between that and the consumer who sees the game in the store(which I can guarantee that SOE will have it everywhere) and takes interest, all the built in fan base from the Everquest fans, Vanguard has nothing to worry about. A few whiney cry babies from these forums are not going to make a difference. Sigil and SOE won't even miss your money and the Vanguard fans won't miss you either. Good riddence. Here are a few links to some reports on Vanguard for you viewing pleasure.
Jeff Green from Computer Gaming Magazine
Let the crying begin 
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No, I'm sorry to dissapoint you.
You see. At once the SOE logo hit the box, the game was destroyed!!111oneshiftone!
It doesn't matter that SOE can't touch the development
It doesn't matter that SOE gave Sigil several huge stands, one at a prime location at an entrance (whereas MS gave them a tiny one last time without air condition)
It doesn't matter that the avenues where SOE is a part of Vanguard are the ones where SOE are pretty much the best in the industry (distribution/servers/stability)
All that matters is that Vanguard was destroyed immediately SOE came into play. And it sucks now. It used to be good, but due to who is printing the actual DVDs now, it will suck. Ok. Get that? Install it and Smed will eat your babies.
And by the way. Before anyone from the "SOE ate my baby and killed by dog and kidnapped my little sister" camp falls in line to agree with my conclusion above, it was written in sarcasm.
Ah grasshopper, I see you have much to learn. You seem to be forgetting that Brad made a little game called Everquest which took the mmorpg genre and made it into a phenomenon. Granted WoW took it to even higher heights of popularity due to simplicity, but Everquest paved the way and made it all possible. The mmorpg scene that you see today is because of Brad Mcquaid, Jeff Butler and the rest of the original team. Without the huge success of EQ, none of these companies would have even gave mmorpgs a second thought. Even today the population on EQ is still going strong.
I have been following several promising titles and I do not see any that offer the sheer amount of features and epic scope of Vanguard period. Some of you are talking about Age of Conan. I agree that it does look good(I respect Funcom also). It really only has two major selling points, gore and the Conan universe. The Conan universe is a nice draw but I guarantee that the whole gore factor will loose its "cool" factor after a while. Once you have seen all the different moves, then what? What else does it have different that sets it apart?
Also I think the whole level til you are 20 solo before you get to play with anyone will really turn people off after a while. It will totally kill any kind of replay value for those who like alts. Much the same way that the archtype system for EQ 2 did until they got rid of it. Alot of players are looking for a deep game that offers a challenge and Vanguard will fill that spot nicely. Mark my words it will be big.
Of course being that your post was in sarcasm, this is a post for all those who get in line lol
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Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Hope it all pans out.
Paraphrasing some other poster somewhere.
"Vanguard will fail, because $OE is evil. This has gone far beyond normal reason or logic. This is now religion."
I don''t really know when Humankind will die out but i''m guessing about 6 years before WOW.
-BarCrow
You need to understand that SoE's bad reputation wasnt any "humorous timekiller program" - this reputation was gained by ACTING "evil".
And since they dont change makes the fact, that people dont NEED to "know" this from any forums, they will feel it theirself when they start to play SoE games. Easy, no ?
Claude
You need to understand that SoE's bad reputation wasnt any "humorous timekiller program" - this reputation was gained by ACTING "evil".
And since they dont change makes the fact, that people dont NEED to "know" this from any forums, they will feel it theirself when they start to play SoE games. Easy, no ?
Evil is a strong word and can hardly be applied to SOE. Hitler was evil, Saddam was evil, Bin Laden is evil. SOE have just made unwise decisions that apply to the world of computer games. Slanting them as evil is extreme and makes you look a little eccentric.
They will feel this when they play SOE games will they? You mean like EQ2 and EQ? You see, Vanguard is a Sigil game.
Everyone and every company is capable of change. Even you are capable of change, althought it seems remote based on your overwhelming ammount of uneducated, uncorrect and fanatical comments on SOE, despite the amount of overwhelming advice, that has been passed, on containing the actualities of the Sigil/SOE situation.
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I'm confident Sigil will has made a good contract with SOE.
SOE only has distribution rights, provide the servers and it will be available through station login.
Station login is one of the best on the market. most mmorpg suck when it comes to patching.
(torrent patching is not my thing, its slow)
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MisterT
Lmao.
Show me the articles from E3 where any of those sources said, about any game, "this game sucks?" All of the reviews of all of the major games range from pretty good to wonderful. Welcome to the industry. No one expected the gaming press to throw eggs and rotton vegetables at any of these titles, including Vanguard. That doesn't make it a good game.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
You folks will learn soon enough from SOE.
Despite your feelings and since you folks dont give a hoot about the current situtation of things, Vanguard DID lose a substantial amount that would of played the game if SOE had not stamped there name on it.
In other worlds, It will be just another Everquest since Sony has a Great Reputation in the MMORPG community.
Hmmm - you missed the review from Actiontrip where they gave it a bit of a lambasting
I did read a review that said the character customization was nice - but gets left in the dust by Heros Journey's character customisation.
So whats with the whole corpse run thing when you die - sounds like a time waster.
Well, that idea (corpse run) comes up all time again. Its kind of a "penalitythinking" from devs, to make death mean something.
It gets removed sooner or later, every game (i know of) did it so far.
There is of course a need for deathpenality, otherwise no1 would care about death.
But corpse-run....i doubt its "usefull".
Claude
I would suggest that those people think about it twice. SOE has nothing to say about the game. They only will provide servers, distribution and station login. The game stays Sigil and if you don't want to pay soe then pay sigil.
But why complain, more room for those that will play the game
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Greetz
MisterT
Vanguard under the banner of Microsoft would go something like this, Introducing the newest Microsoft operating system, Vista.
Vista takes advantage of the latest audio and video software support and adds new security, dependability and easy to use interface. Microsoft would like to now showcase a great rpg title for 2006 called Vanguard saga of heroes that doesn't utilize any of this.
With Sony you can play Vanguard, Matrix and Star Wars Galaxies for one low price, I won't but you can.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
06.05.15
EQ failed largely due to $oE's incompetence. They only considered it a US nich PC game, whereas Sony had most of it's $ and value in PlayStation consoul gaming. They were totally afraid to market it against Lineage in asia. ? Does it suprise you Sony, a niponese company, was incapable or unable to market it's flagship PC game against the at that time World subscriber giant that was Lineage (1 to 3 MILLION subscribers now below 2M whereas EQ had a tough time breaking 400k, now bordering 90k;) and WoW near 5M just puts EQ and all the other $oE games combined to shame! Really WoW is like more than ALL the other MMOG combined !! Imagine the dividends on just a single share of that stock.
Do not get me started how $oE screwed up the european EQ servers through some joke 3rd party servers. $oE was about as bad in europe as Turbine was with AC/AC2 in europe.
And to top it off with Sigil's inability to afford/maintain server farms and the hard production of retail dvds for their product and M$'s cutting off the $ support, the only alternative was turn to IGN or $oE... hence why it is such a secret where Sigil got the $ to buy back IP rights to V:SoH.
Rest assured, Saga has a good six months of testing, fixing, developing, more testing, ect. yet before it has anything near a finished "next-generation" MMO, so do not rush them, slowly (since 2002) they are working on getting it together. Mind your maners, encourage them, and know for sure there has not really been anything worthwhile for the last three years worth playing, so be patient. Do not kill it before it even has a chance. Unless you want to play korean rpg/fps for the forseeable future.
edit: some idea of Sony's lack of reality, they now insist the + $600 PS3 is too cheap .
Well, that idea (corpse run) comes up all time again. Its kind of a "penalitythinking" from devs, to make death mean something.
It gets removed sooner or later, every game (i know of) did it so far.
There is of course a need for deathpenality, otherwise no1 would care about death.
But corpse-run....i doubt its "usefull".
Well as much as most people will not want to hear...The games I played that had corpse runs were at their best before the developers took it out. I know it sounds weird that corpse runs can be a good thing but they add a level of risk and excitement that is lacking when you replace it with something else.
As soon as you start firing off your mouths with crap like "good riddence we won't miss you" I start to worry about a game. SOE do one thing really really well, they split player bases down the middle, it's why there forums are the way they are. It seems that SOE have split the Vanguard player base without even touching the game.
I've got news for you pal, SOE WILL miss the money of the people they have pissed off. Only a idiot would say that they wouldn't.
I love the way you posted links to sites that gave hype to other MMOs that crashed and burned.
I would suggest that those people think about it twice. SOE has nothing to say about the game. They only will provide servers, distribution and station login. The game stays Sigil and if you don't want to pay soe then pay sigil.
But why complain, more room for those that will play the game
I hope you are right...I would like Vanguard to be a success but my dealings with SOE over the years has really soured me on anything they have anything to do with. I know Sigil says SOE will have no say over the game but how long will that last? It's bad business to make the kind of deal they say is in effect. I have my doubts as to if SOE will really be able to remain hands off for long. Only time will tell.
As soon as you start firing off your mouths with crap like "good riddence we won't miss you" I start to worry about a game. SOE do one thing really really well, they split player bases down the middle, it's why there forums are the way they are. It seems that SOE have split the Vanguard player base without even touching the game.
I've got news for you pal, SOE WILL miss the money of the people they have pissed off. Only a idiot would say that they wouldn't.
I love the way you posted links to sites that gave hype to other MMOs that crashed and burned.
You see, but if they never had your buisness in the first place...then they can't exactly miss it now can they. You're grossly misinterpreting what it takes to be a success. Sure, WoW has like 5 million subscribers. That's excellent. But really, you'll only need like 100 or 200k to stay operational for a decade. EQ prooved that.
The other thing, is you are grossly misrepresenting the amout of people who are negatively affected by SOE and their reputation. Of all the SOE games, they have what...500k maybe? I have no idea...but even so thats 500k that couldn't be bothered by SOE because, well....they are paying them right now. And lets think about the 3 million subsribers who WoW brought to the MMORPG market that haven't formed a biased opionion of SOE. Or the however many thousand that might spontaneously buy the game, or be handed one by an older sibling or by any other form of customer growth.
The SOE hate isn't as big of an influence as you would think. There's a great amount of the public that have never even played an SOE game. Myself included until recently, I bought EQII to see what all the hubub was about, and I'm having a blast.
A word to the wise: I'm sure this website was created in order to help people form educated opinions about upcomming games, so I would suggest that if you have some sort of agenda or propaganda that you are trying to spread...don't. You aren't helping anyone, and you could be keeping someone you've never met from having fun. If you have some real information or comments about actual elements of the game, please post them. Otherwise....just stfu.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I'm confused as to why you continue to post if you don't want anything to do with Vanguard. Do you feel as though you have some sort of obligation to the community? Do you have some warriors call to fight the good fight? Or does it please you to spew bile all over every forum you get access to?
I'm confused as to why you continue to post if you don't want anything to do with Vanguard. Do you feel as though you have some sort of obligation to the community? Do you have some warriors call to fight the good fight? Or does it please you to spew bile all over every forum you get access to?
I would like to think the latter, but I think he's just really, really pissed off at SOE and probably rightfully so.
I'm confused as to why you continue to post if you don't want anything to do with Vanguard. Do you feel as though you have some sort of obligation to the community? Do you have some warriors call to fight the good fight? Or does it please you to spew bile all over every forum you get access to?
I would like to think the latter, but I think he's just really, really pissed off at SOE and probably rightfully so.
That's wonderful, but I wouldn't necissarily think that repeating his opinion 4 billion times is going to accomplish anything. He's made up his mind, he's made his points. There are plenty of other forums on this site alone dealing with MMOs that he would probably enjoy (if he likes any of them). So my suggestion to him would be to either quit pulling our legs and admit that you're still excited about Vanguard and want to play it when it comes out or find something to do that would better suit your needs.
It may be you that is in for disappointment. If they dont get many things addressed in beta prior to release, it will crash and burn on its own.
Call me naive but i believe brad when he says soe wont have any say in regards to vanguard. It still doesnt change the fact i no longer have any interest in this game. Thats due 100% to soe being involved at any level.