They’re still pulling that same «laying the foundation» argument they’ve used since 2014..what the flying saucer haven’t you completed the groundwork for after 6 years for something that will be a fairly generic space/fps game
The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
It's crumugen funded by boomers. They think they are making an investment in something. This is why timeshares still exist, and why there are companies that help folks get rid of them.
The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
No actual intelligence is being used to fund SC's / SQ42's development.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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At least they have dropped the B.S. excuse of hiding progress due to story spoilers. This was all they ever needed to do.
"The story update includes work that has been done on an introductory chapter. The team explains that the development goal of this is to support code and design so they can blend “scenes via AI locomotion.” Apparently, progress here is looking good. The team is also working with Design to create scenes for Chapters 6, 7, 13, and 18."
As far as the meat of the report. Well, as always it is lacking in terms of remaining progress needed and delivery estimates.
Hopefully their goal is to actually deliver a beginning chapter or two, rather than milk it until EVERYTHING is completed.
Yeah.. uh huh.. "progress" and "story development" I mean it's not like we knew who the voice actors were five years ago and this should have been nailed down before they started recording.
The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
LOL.... Actual Private Investors did invested 46M$ in 2018 plus 17M$ in 2020 on top of original investors.
Pre-payment is called Crowdfunding model and used successfully by ten thousands project over the past two decades.
Why do you think a 1million individual backers did join an Alpha? precisely because contrary to Publishers, there is no date pressure to deliver an unfinished crap which is indeed a res-skinned version of their previous games...
BY no means it is equal to forever alpha. Those saying that just ignore that finishing the project will gather way more cash than what they got over years.
Yeah.. uh huh.. "progress" and "story development" I mean it's not like we knew who the voice actors were five years ago and this should have been nailed down before they started recording.
Why because Mark Hamil voice change in the meantime? The script was done years ago. Same than a movie. Captured footage are not wasted because it takes years to make a movie. Best example: Avatar. Does the sequel Avatar 2 and 3 are obsolete 7 years after the first episode? No
The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
It's crumugen funded by boomers. They think they are making an investment in something. This is why timeshares still exist, and why there are companies that help folks get rid of them.
Total no sense. Ten thousands of project are done through the crowdfunding models. Calling those individual boomers say a lot about your lake of understanding basics finance and development model.
At no time backers of ANY kickstarter are shareholder. Stop throwing BS because it shows
Yeah.. uh huh.. "progress" and "story development" I mean it's not like we knew who the voice actors were five years ago and this should have been nailed down before they started recording.
Why because Mark Hamil voice change in the meantime? The script was done years ago. Same than a movie. Captured footage are not wasted because it takes years to make a movie. Best example: Avatar. Does the sequel Avatar 2 and 3 are obsolete 7 years after the first episode? No
So what I'm getting from this is that anyone replying to you could probably post a picture of tide pods and call it a day.
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The new business model SC is using is interesting, a full-time never-ending alpha, with no release date in sight. As long as they can keep pulling more money, there is no pressure at all to actually release a product.
And they are very clear on their website that money you give to SC is a donation, not a pre-payment for a game. They make it quite clear that if no game is produced, nobody gets their money back.
No actual investors or business people would ever finance a project like that.
It's crumugen funded by boomers. They think they are making an investment in something. This is why timeshares still exist, and why there are companies that help folks get rid of them.
Total no sense. Ten thousands of project are done through the crowdfunding models. Calling those individual boomers say a lot about your lake of understanding basics finance and development model.
At no time backers of ANY kickstarter are shareholder. Stop throwing BS because it shows
It's funny that talking about BS is coming from you.
What the heck?>???? still not out?? what is this. And some people still say its not a scam??? YOU WILL NEVER GET THE PROMISED GAME, GET OVER IT. OMG.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics. Reply Add Multi-Quote
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The ones who can't have fun with gaming anymore...
Are probably the same ones who beat the dead horse jokes about games being delayed lol
Poor things.
How can a game be fun when it's not launched nor even playable? This post makes ZERO sense. I cannot play Squadron 42 today. Not even in a test mode. It's a game I bought 8(?) years ago but still have nothing.
So maybe stop dismissing the complaints of people who have been here since day one (well, before day one) and see no end in sight.
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The ones who can't have fun with gaming anymore...
Are probably the same ones who beat the dead horse jokes about games being delayed lol
Poor things.
How can a game be fun when it's not launched nor even playable? This post makes ZERO sense. I cannot play Squadron 42 today. Not even in a test mode. It's a game I bought 8(?) years ago but still have nothing.
So maybe stop dismissing the complaints of people who have been here since day one (well, before day one) and see no end in sight.
It happens often. Babs also confuses succesful funding with a high quality product, bugs with features, Twitch with anything and a tiny part of a game in Alpha stage with a full blown product. Perhaps he can blind us some more with really big numbers and pretty pictures. He also confuses critique with hating and trolling with ‘just stating the facts.’ Don’t hold it against him.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
...releasing a "AI COMBAT VIDEO", with that quality, says EXACTLY where they are : early, early development.
I mean, one would think, after the "glorious" marketing, including that video with Gary Oldman, that this game is..pretty close to release.
Nope, isn't and isn't Breaking News also.
There is your "money" , whales. This happens exactly with SC too.
PATHETHIC !!!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
How can a game be fun when it's not launched nor even playable? This post makes ZERO sense. I cannot play Squadron 42 today. Not even in a test mode. It's a game I bought 8(?) years ago but still have nothing. So maybe stop dismissing the complaints of people who have been here since day one (well, before day one) and see no end in sight.
All the gameplay from Star Citizen is applied to Squadron 42. Which you didn't bought, you backed. If after all these years you still don't know the difference that's on you to figure it out.
I have as much right to dismiss every complaint of uniformed people has they have from complaining about stuff they don't understand Hence the back and forth.
It happens often. Babs also confuses succesful funding with a high quality product, bugs with features, Twitch with anything and a tiny part of a game in Alpha stage with a full blown product. Perhaps he can blind us some more with really big numbers and pretty pictures. He also confuses critique with hating and trolling with ‘just stating the facts.’ Don’t hold it against him.
None of those are mutually exclusive. Something very easy to follow to anyone who actually understands what crowdfunding and game development is. Basic homework who should have been done before going on endless griev(f)ing campaigns on gaming forums.
How can a game be fun when it's not launched nor even playable? This post makes ZERO sense. I cannot play Squadron 42 today. Not even in a test mode. It's a game I bought 8(?) years ago but still have nothing. So maybe stop dismissing the complaints of people who have been here since day one (well, before day one) and see no end in sight.
All the gameplay from Star Citizen is applied to Squadron 42. Which you didn't bought, you backed. If after all these years you still don't know the difference that's on you to figure it out.
I have as much right to dismiss every complaint of uniformed people has they have from complaining about stuff they don't understand Hence the back and forth.
It happens often. Babs also confuses succesful funding with a high quality product, bugs with features, Twitch with anything and a tiny part of a game in Alpha stage with a full blown product. Perhaps he can blind us some more with really big numbers and pretty pictures. He also confuses critique with hating and trolling with ‘just stating the facts.’ Don’t hold it against him.
None of those are mutually exclusive. Something very easy to follow to anyone who actually understands what crowdfunding and game development is. Basic homework who should have been done before going on endless griev(f)ing campaigns on gaming forums.
Good advice, you should follow it.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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/Generic SC fan defense system activated......
"You don't know anything about betas, alphas, fun and money"
/loop5
/sarcasm off
The only progress I care about now is release.
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It's crumugen funded by boomers. They think they are making an investment in something. This is why timeshares still exist, and why there are companies that help folks get rid of them.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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"The story update includes work that has been done on an introductory chapter. The team explains that the development goal of this is to support code and design so they can blend “scenes via AI locomotion.” Apparently, progress here is looking good. The team is also working with Design to create scenes for Chapters 6, 7, 13, and 18."
As far as the meat of the report. Well, as always it is lacking in terms of remaining progress needed and delivery estimates.
Hopefully their goal is to actually deliver a beginning chapter or two, rather than milk it until EVERYTHING is completed.
But hey, this is at least a start.
Oh wait...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/10/11/gary-oldman-mark-hamil-join-the-amazing-star-citizen-cast/
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Oh wait I know CR had to pretend to be a director and make it look like SQ-42 was soon to be out.
LOL.... Actual Private Investors did invested 46M$ in 2018 plus 17M$ in 2020 on top of original investors.
Pre-payment is called Crowdfunding model and used successfully by ten thousands project over the past two decades.
Why do you think a 1million individual backers did join an Alpha? precisely because contrary to Publishers, there is no date pressure to deliver an unfinished crap which is indeed a res-skinned version of their previous games...
BY no means it is equal to forever alpha. Those saying that just ignore that finishing the project will gather way more cash than what they got over years.
Why because Mark Hamil voice change in the meantime? The script was done years ago. Same than a movie. Captured footage are not wasted because it takes years to make a movie. Best example: Avatar. Does the sequel Avatar 2 and 3 are obsolete 7 years after the first episode? No
Total no sense. Ten thousands of project are done through the crowdfunding models. Calling those individual boomers say a lot about your lake of understanding basics finance and development model.
At no time backers of ANY kickstarter are shareholder. Stop throwing BS because it shows
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/It's funny that talking about BS is coming from you.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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Add Multi-Quote
A couple of theories on this
Lemming effect
Cult of personality
Mindless zombies maybe?
I dunno, it's a puzzler for sure.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So maybe stop dismissing the complaints of people who have been here since day one (well, before day one) and see no end in sight.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
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/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH
...releasing a "AI COMBAT VIDEO", with that quality, says EXACTLY where they are : early, early development.
I mean, one would think, after the "glorious" marketing, including that video with Gary Oldman, that this game is..pretty close to release.
Nope, isn't and isn't Breaking News also.
There is your "money" , whales. This happens exactly with SC too.
PATHETHIC !!!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer