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pvp without looting, why?

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  • donkey35donkey35 Member Posts: 45


    Read the features and the FAQ!


    The screens are 5 year old screens and taken with a bad graphics card and the video is bad theres a better video out there and it rocks and I think Darkfall is coming 2007.

    Darkfall the only real game (if it comes out)

  • sjonasjona Member Posts: 194


    Originally posted by donkey35
    www.darkfallonline.com Read the features and the FAQ!The screens are 5 year old screens and taken with a bad graphics card and the video is bad theres a better video out there and it rocks and I think Darkfall is coming 2007.

    yes, totally ontopic.

    the majority wants pvp without looting, i am quite sure. atleast that what WOW makes me think.
    but my idea was you COULD loot from the enemy, just not their items(the whole idea of goblins wearing high elf armor isnt really my favorite..), so you could loot something like "leather scraps" which you could maybe if you had some profession, convert into something usable, for crafting - so crafting gets more into the whole looting part also :)

    the whole "goblins wear goblin armor" part is what makes this game unable to use major PvP looting also.

  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    Is it me, or are you guys basically saying

    "I can't have fun unless I'm stealing someone elses stuff"

    Get over yourself. Nobody wants that in a game (except perhaps you few minority of griefers).

    Besides, as someone else mentioned above, it just doesn't make sense. Okay so you're a proud dwarf and you've got this big gleaming half-moon axe. You're loaded out with a shield bigger than yourself, and a mean lookin helmet. Are you really going to go out and kill a greasy, snotty goblin covered in pus and warts, then take his armor and put it on? Are you mental?

    It wouldn't fit. You'd look like an idiot. Everyone would laugh at you. No other dwarves would buy it from you, because the armor is mostly made out of fungus, rusty metal, and squig skins.

    Are you gonna be a human that wears chaos armor, which stabs you when you put it on, and probably instead of 2 arms it has room for 1 tentacle and 1 crab claw. The other humans are just gonna kill you when you wear it anyways.

    It sounds to me like you're just a griefer who gets off on ruining other people's gameplay. Go play Shadowbane where your kind lives and the rest of us don't have to bother with you.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • nILaRTnILaRT Member Posts: 9

    I just would imagine DAoC with pvp looting lol, you would need thousand of sets to equip yourself each run =P WAR is not going to be like UO, where you may eventually get killed, in WAR you WILL SURE get killed many times, its a RvR game, dying is part of the game...



    No offense but the pvp crowd needs abit faster action. aka: Shadowbane , Counter-strike , Guild wars , NWN persistant worlds etc.

    As i saw this sentence comparing WAR RvR with CS i was like: "ok, nothing is left to be seen in this world..."

  • WendoXXXWendoXXX Member CommonPosts: 165


    Originally posted by havocthefirs

    Is there a point to pvp without full looting, the simple awnser is no.
    Theres no excitement without looting, how can there be?
    Even games like wow in mo the worst of all games, why? Epic gear no looting or housing/ poor crafting.
    In the end everyone has epic gear and then no gear is epic so why not loot.
    Without looting crafting becomes irrelevant since I lose nothing I need nothing.
    If I cant bandage in combat and can only drink 1 pot at most again irrelevant.
    Can mmorpg's break free from carebearitis, alas only UO in its heyday pre aos managed it.


    u sir should devote ur time to WoW since i notice u clearly have a addiction to items. what will be great in WAR is that u can do some real good pvp whit ur guildmates and have blasts of fun competing vs other guilds and matching skills.

    edit. btw mate u sould check out Thrones of Caos... will probobly be one hell of a game if u like random PvP whit looting... maby ill se u there.

  • VipexxVipexx Member Posts: 114


    Originally posted by WendoXXX

    Originally posted by havocthefirs

    Is there a point to pvp without full looting, the simple awnser is no.
    Theres no excitement without looting, how can there be?
    Even games like wow in mo the worst of all games, why? Epic gear no looting or housing/ poor crafting.
    In the end everyone has epic gear and then no gear is epic so why not loot.
    Without looting crafting becomes irrelevant since I lose nothing I need nothing.
    If I cant bandage in combat and can only drink 1 pot at most again irrelevant.
    Can mmorpg's break free from carebearitis, alas only UO in its heyday pre aos managed it.

    u sir should devote ur time to WoW since i notice u clearly have a addiction to items. what will be great in WAR is that u can do some real good pvp whit ur guildmates and have blasts of fun competing vs other guilds and matching skills.


    edit. btw mate u sould check out Thrones of Caos... will probobly be one hell of a game if u like random PvP whit looting... maby ill se u there.


    If you read havoc's post one more time you'll see that he's actually criticizing WoW at the hardest, so to suggest for him to play WoW is the same as serving pig to a Muslim.

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  • WendoXXXWendoXXX Member CommonPosts: 165


    Originally posted by Vipexx

    Originally posted by WendoXXX

    Originally posted by havocthefirs

    Is there a point to pvp without full looting, the simple awnser is no.
    Theres no excitement without looting, how can there be?
    Even games like wow in mo the worst of all games, why? Epic gear no looting or housing/ poor crafting.
    In the end everyone has epic gear and then no gear is epic so why not loot.
    Without looting crafting becomes irrelevant since I lose nothing I need nothing.
    If I cant bandage in combat and can only drink 1 pot at most again irrelevant.
    Can mmorpg's break free from carebearitis, alas only UO in its heyday pre aos managed it.

    u sir should devote ur time to WoW since i notice u clearly have a addiction to items. what will be great in WAR is that u can do some real good pvp whit ur guildmates and have blasts of fun competing vs other guilds and matching skills.

    edit. btw mate u sould check out Thrones of Caos... will probobly be one hell of a game if u like random PvP whit looting... maby ill se u there.


    If you read havoc's post one more time you'll see that he's actually criticizing WoW at the hardest, so to suggest for him to play WoW is the same as serving pig to a Muslim.




    first off im 100% for serving pig to a Muslim... im sure they would like it if they tryed it,,,, zomg im gonna get flamed for that one.

    secoundly the "playing wow" comment was simply becouse wow players have the habit to be loot adict and dont care about much else.... still ofc i souldent be posting while drinking beer couse i just manage to read half of what ppl writing so dont pay attanition to me.... sorry mates.... cya ingame  

  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132
    There had better be looting in pvp. One of my biggest worries about this game will be that we'll have a DAOC clone, with Orkz. Thats no good.
  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    Most people don't want looting in pvp.

    Most people don't want their hard earned item to be ripped off by some ganker 10 levels above them.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132



    Originally posted by Blurr

    Most people don't want looting in pvp.
    Most people don't want their hard earned item to be ripped off by some ganker 10 levels above them.




    Most people then must be "pussies", who are afraid of conflict with other players. Dont like dying? Stay out of the way, nyeh?

    This game will burn if looting isnt implemented. You'll have the DAOC kiddies who are 10-15 years old talking insane amounts of shit about how they just "Pwned" someone, and yet they'll have nothing to show for it.

    Likewise, one  could kill 239847234 players, and they would just keep coming back for more. Totally 1: Unrealistic 2:Un-fun.

     

    ...Fricken carebears.

  • PantasticPantastic Member Posts: 1,204


    Originally posted by Kruniac
    Most people then must be "pussies", who are afraid of conflict with other players. Dont like dying? Stay out of the way, nyeh?

    Man, you are so tough, you beat someone up in a video game. The ladies must really love it when you tell them that you were playing a video game, ganked some noob, and took their stuff.

  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909



    Originally posted by Kruniac



    Originally posted by Blurr

    Most people don't want looting in pvp.
    Most people don't want their hard earned item to be ripped off by some ganker 10 levels above them.



    Most people then must be "pussies", who are afraid of conflict with other players. Dont like dying? Stay out of the way, nyeh?

    This game will burn if looting isnt implemented. You'll have the DAOC kiddies who are 10-15 years old talking insane amounts of shit about how they just "Pwned" someone, and yet they'll have nothing to show for it.

    Likewise, one  could kill 239847234 players, and they would just keep coming back for more. Totally 1: Unrealistic 2:Un-fun.

     

    ...Fricken carebears.


    I love when some uninformed guy come from nowhere to insult ppl... it makes him so good, smart and 1337... very mature and stuff...

    There will be no looting in this game because of several things, first of all armors are diferent from race to race, a high elf cant use orc armors and vice versa, BUT there will be some looting, when u kill a player there will be loot dropping, just not the player´s stuff, it will be some random dropping just like mobs do. Second, there will be no player looting because death in large scale battle are a part of the game and cant be have such drawbacks that makes ppl want to do pve instead. And third, corpse looting invite grieving and not mature playing like you seem to say, corpse looting was always an excuse so all the no life adultes and loads of free time kiddies get lot's of stuff out of ppl who actually have a life and just want to have some fun but dont have as much time on their hand.

    I hope all the guys that share your opinion find a good game to play in, WAR wont be the game you are looking for..... i m glad Mythic understood that and continue to take WAR in the right direction.

  • callmetobycallmetoby Member Posts: 302



    Originally posted by Kruniac



    Originally posted by Blurr

    Most people don't want looting in pvp.
    Most people don't want their hard earned item to be ripped off by some ganker 10 levels above them.



    Most people then must be "pussies", who are afraid of conflict with other players. Dont like dying? Stay out of the way, nyeh?

    This game will burn if looting isnt implemented. You'll have the DAOC kiddies who are 10-15 years old talking insane amounts of shit about how they just "Pwned" someone, and yet they'll have nothing to show for it.

    Likewise, one  could kill 239847234 players, and they would just keep coming back for more. Totally 1: Unrealistic 2:Un-fun.

     

    ...Fricken carebears.


    Wow...just wow.  I am so humbled right now.  I feel so silly for wanting to keep what I've spent my time to earn rather than have it picked off my corpse by some jackal that gets the drop on me.  I don't know what I could have been thinking.  I hope that myself and all the other pussies out there can someday learn what it is like to be near the level of hardcore e-rapist that you no doubt are. 

    Though if I remember correctly, in DAOC I received realm points for killing others in PvP, allowing me to purchase more skills.  I would rather be rewarded by further develop my character and his abilities than rifle through someone's pockets and rip them off of something they've earned.  If we're talking about being "realistic", I think only an asshole would pick the pockets of a dead man.  Are you an asshole?  I'll leave that to you...I think you know the answer.  

    I think I speak for the majority of the community when I say your post was "Totally" 1: unreasonable 2: unintelligent.

  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132



    Originally posted by callmetoby



    Originally posted by Kruniac



    Originally posted by Blurr

    Most people don't want looting in pvp.
    Most people don't want their hard earned item to be ripped off by some ganker 10 levels above them.



    Most people then must be "pussies", who are afraid of conflict with other players. Dont like dying? Stay out of the way, nyeh?

    This game will burn if looting isnt implemented. You'll have the DAOC kiddies who are 10-15 years old talking insane amounts of shit about how they just "Pwned" someone, and yet they'll have nothing to show for it.

    Likewise, one  could kill 239847234 players, and they would just keep coming back for more. Totally 1: Unrealistic 2:Un-fun.

     

    ...Fricken carebears.


    Wow...just wow.  I am so humbled right now.  I feel so silly for wanting to keep what I've spent my time to earn rather than have it picked off my corpse by some jackal that gets the drop on me.  I don't know what I could have been thinking.  I hope that myself and all the other pussies out there can someday learn what it is like to be near the level of hardcore e-rapist that you no doubt are. 

    Though if I remember correctly, in DAOC I received realm points for killing others in PvP, allowing me to purchase more skills.  I would rather be rewarded by further develop my character and his abilities than rifle through someone's pockets and rip them off of something they've earned.  If we're talking about being "realistic", I think only an asshole would pick the pockets of a dead man.  Are you an asshole?  I'll leave that to you...I think you know the answer.  

    I think I speak for the majority of the community when I say your post was "Totally" 1: unreasonable 2: unintelligent.


    This isnt Everquest. You arent some epic adventurer setting out to be a powerful hero. This is Warhammer. You are fighting in a perpetual racial war. You kill. You loot. You dispose of the equipment/use it. You move on.

     

    An asshole would pick the pockets of a dead man? What, are you "honorable"? Thats too hilarious for a response.

    At any rate, I can hardly believe that a Warhammer fan would be such a carebear when it comes to PvP looting. Smells like a poser. Read more online supplementals, impress me more.

    L. A. W. L.

  • StuntyCrushaStuntyCrusha Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Well Kruniak, I hate to burst your bubble but the fact is that you will not be able to loot an enemies players gear so the point is moot.  That's the way it is, deal with it.
  • LordEnforcerLordEnforcer Member Posts: 7
     I believe 100% in looting a body.. maybe not everythign but the top 4 or 5 items will be fine... I feel if you can get the drop in someone and kill him then he should suffer. It an mmo wants to simulate R/L than have it like that.. just make one server for every game like that ... then if all of you wimps want to carebear it you can... "oooo lets see if the game can hold my hand while I complete these gay quests"

     I will take killing  and more killing and I really dont care if he is lvl 1 or 50 :)

     maybe if frontier 1859 ever comes out then we will see full pvp/ffa again

    www.frontier1859.com




  • StuntyCrushaStuntyCrusha Member UncommonPosts: 108
    Not even worth replying to that one...ahh dang I just did.
  • callmetobycallmetoby Member Posts: 302



    Originally posted by LordEnforcer
     I believe 100% in looting a body.. maybe not everythign but the top 4 or 5 items will be fine... I feel if you can get the drop in someone and kill him then he should suffer. It an mmo wants to simulate R/L than have it like that.. just make one server for every game like that ... then if all of you wimps want to carebear it you can... "oooo lets see if the game can hold my hand while I complete these gay quests"




    Your reasoning is lacking something but I can't think of what it is.  Oh wait...it's rationality.  First of all, it's not always skill vs skill.  There's also skill vs lag or in most cases skill vs skill of 5 other people.  Why does someone who gets slaughtered by a group of others "deserve to suffer"?  You make no sense.  Wanting access to someone's "top 4 or 5 items" which they have taken their time and/or money to earn is really just another way of saying you're too lazy to do things for yourself and you'd rather just steal it from someone and save yourself the trouble.   This game will have PvP looting but it will not consist of items from the player's inventory.  If that doesn't suit your needs well enough, please take your interests elsewhere as this game has nothing to offer scavengers and bottom feeders.

    I truly hope people stop complaining about the lack of PvP looting.  The devs have already addressed this subject and the persistant whining is not going to change it.  Please save your breath as it is wasted and most of us are tired of hearing it.

  • JoliustJoliust Member Posts: 1,329

    There is no point to playing MMO's at all. Expect if you find them entertaining. oh, who just answered the question

    Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.

  • callmetobycallmetoby Member Posts: 302



    Originally posted by Joliust

    There is no point to playing MMO's at all. Expect if you find them entertaining. oh, who just answered the question



    I didn't really understand any of that aside from the first sentence.  You do realize this is an MMO site...and you have over 130 posts on the forums...??? image

    I'm so confused.

  • havocthefirshavocthefirs Member Posts: 229



    Originally posted by Blurr

    Is it me, or are you guys basically saying
    "I can't have fun unless I'm stealing someone elses stuff"
    Get over yourself. Nobody wants that in a game (except perhaps you few minority of griefers).
    Besides, as someone else mentioned above, it just doesn't make sense. Okay so you're a proud dwarf and you've got this big gleaming half-moon axe. You're loaded out with a shield bigger than yourself, and a mean lookin helmet. Are you really going to go out and kill a greasy, snotty goblin covered in pus and warts, then take his armor and put it on? Are you mental?
    It wouldn't fit. You'd look like an idiot. Everyone would laugh at you. No other dwarves would buy it from you, because the armor is mostly made out of fungus, rusty metal, and squig skins.
    Are you gonna be a human that wears chaos armor, which stabs you when you put it on, and probably instead of 2 arms it has room for 1 tentacle and 1 crab claw. The other humans are just gonna kill you when you wear it anyways.
    It sounds to me like you're just a griefer who gets off on ruining other people's gameplay. Go play Shadowbane where your kind lives and the rest of us don't have to bother with you.



        According to every poll I've seen, roughly a third of mmorpg players want looting in concensual PVP, (as in guild-vs-guild). So if theres 20 million mmorpg players out there, thats an untapped market of 6 million players. The reason I say untapped is because the game would have to be good, which right now consists of the old classic UO with 2d grafix, with most of today players preferring pretty grafix instead of good gameplay.   
  • UglekUglek Member Posts: 22
    What would be nice would be someking of trophy system that allows you to add functional or even purely dectrative items to your armor or weapons.  I thought I remember the devs saying something about that at some point but maybe not.
  • logangregorlogangregor Member Posts: 1,524


    You can still play ultima pre-trammel. Its called FREE SERVER.
    I wish you UO hardcore would play that MORE and post THE SAME THINGS LESS.

    Its old

    Its been old for a LONG time

    Its growing mold and smelling funny

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  • havocthefirshavocthefirs Member Posts: 229



    Originally posted by logangregor


    You can still play ultima pre-trammel. Its called FREE SERVER.
    I wish you UO hardcore would play that MORE and post THE SAME THINGS LESS.
    Its old
    Its been old for a LONG time
    Its growing mold and smelling funny



        I have started playing on a free server, my account is now 21 days old. The action is fast paced, no more moving at the speed of slow. Housing, crafting that makes sense and FREEDOM to go and do whatever you want. No more epic gear thats 90% of your skills, no levels, no more stupidity of losing skills if you die. If I get wacked out it takes me 2 minutes to re-equip instead of the 5 hours to get to the level I was before I died.

       How I pity this generation of mmorpg players, they've never expierenced a real mmorpg. The games now-a-days are static (either spawns pop up in the same spot or are instanced), predictible, uninspired, boring clones of EQ where good game mechanics have been replaced with good grafix and excitement with spoon fed quests.

       So stop calling them mmorpg's, because the only thing massive is the boredom and the only role playing is pretending to enjoy them. Instead call them a CHORE for chat house online really exciting.

  • JoliustJoliust Member Posts: 1,329

    Sorry, I will explain.
    He said there is no point to PvP with out looting. I said the point of PvP w/o looting has the same point as playing an MMO in the first place it is fun. If you don't find mmos fun then you probably wont see any point in them. Just like he sees no point in PvP w/o looting.

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