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Why do people hate Catholics?
opeth313x
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I've seen a few posts about how arrogant Catholics can be. I'm Catholic, I don't understand much about my religion, so I can't really say I'm offended or not. Though I do see a lot of stereotypical posts being made about things relating to Religion. I really don't understand much about my religion at all, so I might not understand what you are talking about if you reply...
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I have no problem with Catholics or any religeon as long as they don't try to push their beliefs on me.
The bible thumping, frothing at the mouth shouting "YOUR GOING TO BURN IN HELL HEATHEN!!" ones pretty much make all the rest of them look bad.
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As for people hating Catholics? It could be that they sit on huge amounts of wealth at the Vatican while Africans, who make up the largest Catholic population, starve to death ever day. Then comes the publicity about child molestation.
Personally, I really have no problem with Catholics...though it could be that I went to a Catholic school for 13 years and have parents that go to church every week. But I find that Catholics, along with Greek Orthodox, Episcopalians, Methodists, etc to be some of the most level headed christians.
Just don't get me started on the fundamentalists and everything will be ok.
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And I have to agree with your words of advice, modjoe, if you don't know your religion front to back, then you can't believe in it.
I will agree with the two major points being made in previous posts.
The religion itself is not a problem for me, the people in it sometimes are. in my personal case, the rather sordid past of the Catholic church is something I will keep bringing up in religious debates, but I do respect what it has become and is now.
Research your religion, know exactly what it stands for, what its percieved to stand for, and what it used to stand for. These things are almost never the same. I would also suggest looking into other religions as well, not because I think you will convert, but because knowing gives perspective. Information is power, by not knowing about something you follow, you are entrusting everything to someone else. In fact, I do believe that very issue was the crux of the story behind Eve's apple in Genesis.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
my Mom is Catholic. I went to Catholic private schools from grade
2-10. Got sick of them and convinced my parents to let me go to
public school for 11 and 12th grades.
Where I grew up (upstate New York) most people are Catholic. I dont see any hatred toward Catholics
See Scientology.
I am not saying I believe in the two, but they are both as unrealistic as the other.
I'm a devout Catholic, who happens to be rather libertarian. Where sin doesn't involve another being deprived of their rights, by another, then it's a matter between man and God. Prostitution, for example. While Jesus certainly told her to sin no more, there were no threats of jail made. Nor, did he shout for police once the crowd dropped their stones. Only when one's God given rights are infringed upon, should the sin then become a matter of earthly justice.
Now, why do people hate us? Well, we've had periods where earthly ambitions have entered our church. And because of that, we've got periods of our history that even today we, as a church, pray for forgiveness. Fortunately, the vatican is now a state unto itself. No enforced earthly control, and not controlled by an earthly government willing to manipulate it. There's a good amount of fundies that are rather rude in their approach to us. We've also got some history obstructing science (nowhere near the extent some believe). Gallelio, for example. Fortunately, we ourselves recognized this should not be the case, when science doesn't involve issues of morality or ethics, that is. In fact, alot of scientific research can be traced back to catholics, even clergy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism#Church_doctrine_and_science
Historians of science including non-Catholics such as J.L. Heilbron,[65] Alistair Cameron Crombie, David Lindberg,[66] Edward Grant, Thomas Goldstein,[67] and Ted Davis have been revising the common notion the product of black legends say some that the Church has had a negative influence in the development of civilization. They argue that not only did the monks save and cultivate the remnants of ancient civilization during the barbarian invasions, but the Church promoted learning and science through its sponsorship of many universities which, under its leadership, grew rapidly in Europe in the 11th and 12th centuries. St. Thomas Aquinas, the Church's "model theologian," not only argued that reason is in harmony with faith, he even recognized that reason can contribute to understanding revelation, and so encouraged intellectual development. [68] The Church's priest-scientists, many of whom were Jesuits, were the leading lights in astronomy, genetics, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology, and solar physics, becoming the "fathers" of these sciences. It is important to remark names of important churchmen such as the Augustinian abbot Gregor Mendel (pioneer in the study of genetics) and Belgian priest Georges Lemaître (the first to propose the Big Bang theory).
Some hate us for our view on morality. Oh well, better learn to be tolerant of us (you don't have to condone our beliefs). As I hope my fellow Catholics will be tolerant (though not condone). Many hate our stance on abortion. Some fundies hate our doctrine. Some muslims hate us these days, because our Pope uses a quote, from a recorded historic text, in order to illustrate what we ourselves learned....forced conversion is wrong, wrong, wrong. Apostacy laws are wrong, wrong, wrong. Tearing down buhhdist statues are wrong, wrong, wrong. And some hate us for our good looks.
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
I was a devote catholic for the first 12 years of my life then i read and analyzed both the NIV and King James Version of the bible. and i grew disenchanted with christianity in general.
i dont hate christians or catholics i just grew disenchanted with the religion personally.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
4 bombings a week, every week for about the entire 10 years I worked in London.
And the 500 year history of national wars doesn't help.
While intellectually I understand that not all Catholics stone school children, kneecap teenagers and blow up buses full of people on a daily basis, it's hard to shake off the prejudice.
I haven't met or spoken to any Catholics I actively dislike, but the first thing that comes to mind everytime I hear or read the word, is what the Irish lads always say when they have had a few. "Never trust a Catholic".
Three Words: Thirty Years War.
Catholics and Protestants haven't liked each other in a long time.
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Not to mention that it was all written by a mediocre science fiction writer from the mid 90s who lived on a houseboat with teenage boys and had been arrested numerous times.
Sorry but I have to disagree that the two are equally believable.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
But what do you call knowning a religion front to back? Can we really know all there is to know about any religion? Kind of a paradox there...
Also, saying you "cant" is never a good idea
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But what do you call knowning a religion front to back? Can we really know all there is to know about any religion? Kind of a paradox there...
Also, saying you "cant" is never a good idea
I don't think that you really need to know everything about it...that's what your priests, pastors etc are for....but it is everyone's responsibility in any religion that they claim to be a part of to learn and grow in their faith...so saying that you need to know it front and back is a bit of a misnomer...more that you should always be in the process of learning, because you are never going to know everything that there is to know about God
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Anyway, I've experienced a good deal of prejudice here in the American South. You've got your hardcore KKK types, they think that any Catholic places loyalty to the Pope first and the nation second, so any Catholic is somehow a traitor. Is it true? Maybe, depends on the person.
A more pointed issue comes from those who believe the Catholic Church influences its members in wierd ways, with the aim of controlling larger society. Example, the mandate that priests not give communion to politicians who support abortion a few years ago. It's a mistake to assume every Catholic supports such measures.
There are other wierd issues people encounter. If you're not Catholic and want to marry a Catholic, it can be an ordeal. Some Diocese demand a certain level of participation and taking certain classes, and if you're not Catholic you can't get married in the main aisle (you get married off to the side). Not every Church does this, but many do and people who have to deal with it get angry.
Some of the Church's moral views also enrage people, and are not supported by the entirety of Catholicism. Abortion is one thing, but in Africa the Church has repeatedly come out against birth control (including condoms). So dirt poor families continue having more children than they can feed, and HIV has one less barrier to stop it, because condoms are 'bad.' It's not this way everywhere, but many regard this as extremely irresponsible.
There are also alot of former Catholics who are very, very angry with their old Church. I myseld maintain an odd relationship to the Church, and I'm never sure whether I still hate it or not. Tonight I feel pretty mellow so my views are tempered. Tomorrow I might feel like brawling with the local priest. It goes back and forth.
I think the biggest reason people hate the Catholic Church is the general mysticism and ritual surrounding it. How many Christian denominations have alters and priests in robes? It makes people think they're dealing with a cult. Jews and Orthodox Christians can have alot of similar mystical attributes, they're just not as well noticed in many parts of the world.
Not to mention that it was all written by a mediocre science fiction writer from the mid 90s who lived on a houseboat with teenage boys and had been arrested numerous times.
Sorry but I have to disagree that the two are equally believable.
Christianity:
God made a guy out of dirt. the dirt liked another peice of dirt and they made dirtlove. the other peice of dirt ate an apple and, because of it, God went apeshit and made them live in the desert. They had dirtbabies that had dirtwars. Then, after hundreds of years of these dirt-genocides, a really special, SPECIAL peice of dirt was born from a VIRGIN. This peice of dirt had +1 to all holy spells and everyone thought he was really cool. Then, mean peices of dirt killed him. Then more dirt wars happened, leading us to the present day.
Religion, or the most VIOLENT PEICES OF DIRT EVER?
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You can simplify anything into making it sound stupid. So if you simpfiy the world down to this level, it all seems pointless doesnt it?
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Gravity:
Stuff falls down becuase bigger stuff is there.
Video Games:
You move bits of data around to collect more bits of data
Reading:
You read words so you get little pictures in your head of people and places
You can simplify anything into making it sound stupid. So if you simpfiy the world down to this level, it all seems pointless doesnt it?
And if you complicate things to a certain level, it all seems pointless, doesn't it? So rather than understanding of the universe, you'd rather blame it on a god. That's ok, I can see that people need to feel special, and god gives them that. I personally can cope with the fact that we are all worthless particles of atoms that have managed to form over billions of years.
Might I be wrong? Yeah. But atleast I don't put my faith into a 6000+ year old book (I'm talking about the old testament) that was, beyond probablity, used to describe what people could not explain using science at the time.
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In the eyes of reason, science wins. In the eyes of emotion, religion wins. And I say screw emotion, I want reasons.
And there is a major difference between the two pushing their beliefs on each other. One of them says, "here is the egg," and the other one says, "trust me, there is an invisible omnipotent egg under this cloth."
Gravity:
Stuff falls down becuase bigger stuff is there.
Video Games:
You move bits of data around to collect more bits of data
Reading:
You read words so you get little pictures in your head of people and places
You can simplify anything into making it sound stupid. So if you simpfiy the world down to this level, it all seems pointless doesnt it?
And if you complicate things to a certain level, it all seems pointless, doesn't it? So rather than understanding of the universe, you'd rather blame it on a god. That's ok, I can see that people need to feel special, and god gives them that. I personally can cope with the fact that we are all worthless particles of atoms that have managed to form over billions of years.
Might I be wrong? Yeah. But atleast I don't put my faith into a 6000+ year old book (I'm talking about the old testament) that was, beyond probablity, used to describe what people could not explain using science at the time.
That last statement right there is exactly what I think of the bible and have tried to explain in other threads about this. You know there are alot of things (not everything just yet) that happened in the bible that we can do today, right down to a virgin giving birth.
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
That last statement right there is exactly what I think of the bible and have tried to explain in other threads about this. You know there are alot of things (not everything just yet) that happened in the bible that we can do today, right down to a virgin giving birth.
She just told you she was a virgin.
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