Nierro Age: 15 Gender: Male Location: Palo Alto, CA, United States E-Mail: emuk@sbcglobal.net
This was the kid who moved to the richest town in america, came on here and started saying how everyone in his high school was a loser because "they weren't emo like him".
Nuff said.
Go slit your wrists again and make sure it works this time. That is the best thing you can do for this country. Protesting is a waste of your time.
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.
This refers to the Fedyeen. Saddam's elite militia's specifically raised and trained to run an insurgency against invading forces within Iraq. We did the same here in Britain when Hitler was knocking at the door.
These terrorists are the same kind of terrorists as the French Resistance were, not the aeroplanes into buildings kind. The statement is true, but intentionally misleading.
Originally posted by NierroSaddam wasn't a threat to the world...are you high? He couldn't get WMDs remember? We didn't find any.
Oh, and justify the war to the citizens of Iraq who died horrible deaths after we bombed them repeatedly, shot them, and raped them.
You need to read up on history, he HAD WMDs. The whole world knew it, the decade since the first Gulf War was spent yelling at him to get rid of the damn things. The current war happened because he REFUSED to do so, in spite of multiple warnings.
The ONLY thing we don't know is what he did with them in the time period between the last time we had substantial proof of their existance (about a year before our invasion), and when we began searching. Hell, we even found the missiles and warheads he probably intended to launch them with, the warheads in question were even designed to hold chemical or biological agents.
The proof is probably buried out there under the sand, just like the multiple fighter jets we found and excavated whole.
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Originally posted by outfctrl Just curious. That really supports our troops, doesnt it.
Yes, I support our troops in full. No one supports the troops more then those who want our boys home, so don't pull that "you're not for the war so you don't support our troops" bull shit.
I will remain neutral on the subject, as I don't know a lot about it.
Ofcourse, War is always a terrible thing. but it happens. Sending troops to Iraq to restore the country sounds good and all, but, thinking of the thousands of civilians that got killed, the thousands of soldiers that died, the nuclear weapons that were never found. I won't say the decision to send troops to Iraq is a bad thing, as I don't have all the details. but I do have my doubts if I look at how many people died and the current state of Iraq.
I am against the war in Iraq and only support the troops who are friends and family (Like most others do). I feel pitty for all of those who were injured, mentally screwed up, and killed by this little adventure of a Blue Blood Yale Educated Oilman.
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Originally posted by Gameloading I will remain neutral on the subject, as I don't know a lot about it. Ofcourse, War is always a terrible thing. but it happens.Sending troops to Iraq to restore the country sounds good and all, but, thinking of the thousands of civilians that got killed, the thousands of soldiers that died, the nuclear weapons that were never found. I won't say the decision to send troops to Iraq is a bad thing, as I don't have all the details. but I do have my doubts if I look at how many people died and the current state of Iraq.
Those numbers are fucked up, severly.
I have talked to many many many MANY people who have been over there and they have all said basically the same exact words. here is the most recent one I was told by a guy who just got back a couple months ago: "We found a guy who committed suicide in his house... alone. Within minutes of us finding out, the reporters flocked to the scene asking questions and what not. They kept telling me [he was door guard] that they have freedom of the press and they should be allowed in. I told them 'I don't have authority to let you in. I don't know about your badge, there is nothing I can do!' That night, I was watching CNN. The report was a IED went off and killed 4 Soldiers and 15 Iraqis."
The numbers are screwed. He's not the only one who said that same basic thing, but I can quote him exactly from memory because he just told me it this week.
Originally posted by Gameloading I will remain neutral on the subject, as I don't know a lot about it. Ofcourse, War is always a terrible thing. but it happens. Sending troops to Iraq to restore the country sounds good and all, but, thinking of the thousands of civilians that got killed, the thousands of soldiers that died, the nuclear weapons that were never found. I won't say the decision to send troops to Iraq is a bad thing, as I don't have all the details. but I do have my doubts if I look at how many people died and the current state of Iraq.
Nuclear weaponry would have been a field day, but no one said or expected to find any of them there. WMDs are simply those that cause death over huge areas, this includes chemical and biological agents, which is what we expected to find. Unfortunately, the chemicals used to create for example the nerve gas hes been testing on live subject for years are easy to hide. Hell, just dump them in the river.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by Gameloading I will remain neutral on the subject, as I don't know a lot about it. Ofcourse, War is always a terrible thing. but it happens.Sending troops to Iraq to restore the country sounds good and all, but, thinking of the thousands of civilians that got killed, the thousands of soldiers that died, the nuclear weapons that were never found. I won't say the decision to send troops to Iraq is a bad thing, as I don't have all the details. but I do have my doubts if I look at how many people died and the current state of Iraq.
Nuclear weaponry would have been a field day, but no one said or expected to find any of them there. WMDs are simply those that cause death over huge areas, this includes chemical and biological agents, which is what we expected to find. Unfortunately, the chemicals used to create for example the nerve gas hes been testing on live subject for years are easy to hide. Hell, just dump them in the river.
He only had.... 2yrs to get rid of them with one of those years being us preparing to go over there.
Yes, I support our troops in full. No one supports the troops more then those who want our boys home, so don't pull that "you're not for the war so you don't support our troops" bull shit. Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
Yes, I support our troops in full. No one supports the troops more then those who want our boys home, so don't pull that "you're not for the war so you don't support our troops" bull shit.
Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
I disagree, they will be victorious either way, if given time. The real danger is if some idiot takes over and tries to pull them out before they have the chance to finish the job in order to appease the masses protesting the war, that will be even worse than if we had just killed Saddam with a sniper's bullet, or guided bomb, and left.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Nuclear weaponry would have been a field day, but no one said or expected to find any of them there. Blair did. he said it for about a year, but no one took him seriously, until he adjusted his story.
Yes, I support our troops in full. No one supports the troops more then those who want our boys home, so don't pull that "you're not for the war so you don't support our troops" bull shit.
Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
Umm...knock knock...umm....the evil dictator is gone...yet, we are not. Oh and as for victory, sorry the best we can hope for is a troop pull out that goes as smoothly and safely as possible. I support the troops and think the war is a waste of life. Ask some of the guys and gals over there, they will tell you they do not know what they are fighting for, they are "Just doing our job." And don't say I don't know what I am talking about because these are direct quotes from soldier I know (both family and friends).
Seriously man, can you possibly start up a non-political thread once..just try it. I bet people won't even accuse you of being the political troll that you are. You get off on these arguement you raise but swear you are not trying to cause trouble with. Try taking a breath outside your underground bunker, take a look around and realise there is more to life than politics.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
Mostly they will be needing God's support then, since no amount of domestic support is likely to produce miracles. Try getting a reason for war slightly more sane than Osama Bin Ladens and you might find more people willing to support you.
Originally posted by SnaKey I just want to say:Nierro Age: 15 Gender: Male Location: Palo Alto, CA, United States E-Mail: emuk@sbcglobal.netThis was the kid who moved to the richest town in america, came on here and started saying how everyone in his high school was a loser because "they weren't emo like him".Nuff said.Go slit your wrists again and make sure it works this time. That is the best thing you can do for this country. Protesting is a waste of your time.
That made me laugh. Like a lot.
EDIT; It's probly like the 3rd richest town, actually.
Umm...knock knock...umm....the evil dictator is gone...yet, we are not. Oh and as for victory, sorry the best we can hope for is a troop pull out that goes as smoothly and safely as possible. I support the troops and think the war is a waste of life. Ask some of the guys and gals over there, they will tell you they do not know what they are fighting for, they are "Just doing our job." And don't say I don't know what I am talking about because these are direct quotes from soldier I know (both family and friends).
Hopefully that evil dictator will get replaced by an eviller dictator and in the intrests of the people of Iraq, hopefully VERY soon. If ever a place needed a tough uncompromising ruler, Iraq does now.
Victory is easy, as long as whatever form of Iraqi government emerges from the flames, it will be a government unwilling to upset ours and a government that trades with us and a government that rents us strategic military bases for years to come. It's not the Iraqi's freedom that is important, it's our freedom. Freedom to live in the way we have become accustomed.
If you pull your troops out of Iraq, where will be next? Obviously the American military is unable to maintain it's world postition indefinitely forever, but are you really in any hurry to have what you've got undermined already? You've only had it 50 years!
You won't win every fight in life, but if you get a reputation for backing away, more people will test you.
Originally posted by 8hammer8 Seriously man, can you possibly start up a non-political thread once..just try it. I bet people won't even accuse you of being the political troll that you are. You get off on these arguement you raise but swear you are not trying to cause trouble with. Try taking a breath outside your underground bunker, take a look around and realise there is more to life than politics.
This is not a political thread, it is a point of view. Of course it can become political, like any topic. Politics affect everyone, whether they want it to or not. Even as kids, it affects you one way or another. The diverse views of everyone here, stimulates your brain. Sometimes it creates anomosities, sometimes it creates understanding between two opposites. I know I tend to lean toward political views, but believe it or not, you people make me question my beliefs. I am very right wing, but listening to you all, I do question it.
We have one thing in common, we are gamers. That gives me a feeling of commaradery and I am sure you feel the same way, one way or another.
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give me a break.
I bet you listen to the Dixie Chicks too and watch David Letterman.
I just want to say:
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This was the kid who moved to the richest town in america, came on here and started saying how everyone in his high school was a loser because "they weren't emo like him".
Nuff said.
Go slit your wrists again and make sure it works this time. That is the best thing you can do for this country. Protesting is a waste of your time.
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Nobody debated WWII, nobody debated WWI.
This refers to the Fedyeen. Saddam's elite militia's specifically raised and trained to run an insurgency against invading forces within Iraq. We did the same here in Britain when Hitler was knocking at the door.
These terrorists are the same kind of terrorists as the French Resistance were, not the aeroplanes into buildings kind. The statement is true, but intentionally misleading.
In case some of you don't know what 'emo' is.
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You need to read up on history, he HAD WMDs. The whole world knew it, the decade since the first Gulf War was spent yelling at him to get rid of the damn things. The current war happened because he REFUSED to do so, in spite of multiple warnings.
The ONLY thing we don't know is what he did with them in the time period between the last time we had substantial proof of their existance (about a year before our invasion), and when we began searching. Hell, we even found the missiles and warheads he probably intended to launch them with, the warheads in question were even designed to hold chemical or biological agents.
The proof is probably buried out there under the sand, just like the multiple fighter jets we found and excavated whole.
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Incorrect, he didn't refuse to disarm. He fully complied.
Invading him otherwise would have been a foolhardy adventure.
We found plenty of evidence of his former weapons programs, but none of any recent ones.
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I don't support the war, but I do support the troops. Hell, I should.. I'm one of them. Haven't been there yet though.
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I will remain neutral on the subject, as I don't know a lot about it.
Ofcourse, War is always a terrible thing. but it happens.
Sending troops to Iraq to restore the country sounds good and all, but, thinking of the thousands of civilians that got killed, the thousands of soldiers that died, the nuclear weapons that were never found. I won't say the decision to send troops to Iraq is a bad thing, as I don't have all the details. but I do have my doubts if I look at how many people died and the current state of Iraq.
I am against the war in Iraq and only support the troops who are friends and family (Like most others do). I feel pitty for all of those who were injured, mentally screwed up, and killed by this little adventure of a Blue Blood Yale Educated Oilman.
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Those numbers are fucked up, severly.
I have talked to many many many MANY people who have been over there and they have all said basically the same exact words.
here is the most recent one I was told by a guy who just got back a couple months ago:
"We found a guy who committed suicide in his house... alone. Within minutes of us finding out, the reporters flocked to the scene asking questions and what not. They kept telling me [he was door guard] that they have freedom of the press and they should be allowed in. I told them 'I don't have authority to let you in. I don't know about your badge, there is nothing I can do!'
That night, I was watching CNN. The report was a IED went off and killed 4 Soldiers and 15 Iraqis."
The numbers are screwed. He's not the only one who said that same basic thing, but I can quote him exactly from memory because he just told me it this week.
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No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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He only had.... 2yrs to get rid of them with one of those years being us preparing to go over there.
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supports the troops more then those who want our boys home, so don't
pull that "you're not for the war so you don't support our troops" bull
shit.
Then if you support our troops,
support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you
make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are
fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic
society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones
support to be victorious.
Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
I disagree, they will be victorious either way, if given time. The real danger is if some idiot takes over and tries to pull them out before they have the chance to finish the job in order to appease the masses protesting the war, that will be even worse than if we had just killed Saddam with a sniper's bullet, or guided bomb, and left.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Blair did. he said it for about a year, but no one took him seriously, until he adjusted his story.
Then if you support our troops, support the war. We will finish this. By protesting, you make them feel like they are fighting for nothing. They are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people and to have a democratic society without the rule of a dictator. They need everyones support to be victorious.
Umm...knock knock...umm....the evil dictator is gone...yet, we are not. Oh and as for victory, sorry the best we can hope for is a troop pull out that goes as smoothly and safely as possible. I support the troops and think the war is a waste of life. Ask some of the guys and gals over there, they will tell you they do not know what they are fighting for, they are "Just doing our job." And don't say I don't know what I am talking about because these are direct quotes from soldier I know (both family and friends).
Seriously man, can you possibly start up a non-political thread once..just try it. I bet people won't even accuse you of being the political troll that you are. You get off on these arguement you raise but swear you are not trying to cause trouble with. Try taking a breath outside your underground bunker, take a look around and realise there is more to life than politics.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
EDIT; It's probly like the 3rd richest town, actually.
Umm...knock knock...umm....the evil dictator is gone...yet, we are not. Oh and as for victory, sorry the best we can hope for is a troop pull out that goes as smoothly and safely as possible. I support the troops and think the war is a waste of life. Ask some of the guys and gals over there, they will tell you they do not know what they are fighting for, they are "Just doing our job." And don't say I don't know what I am talking about because these are direct quotes from soldier I know (both family and friends).
Hopefully that evil dictator will get replaced by an eviller dictator and in the intrests of the people of Iraq, hopefully VERY soon. If ever a place needed a tough uncompromising ruler, Iraq does now.
Victory is easy, as long as whatever form of Iraqi government emerges from the flames, it will be a government unwilling to upset ours and a government that trades with us and a government that rents us strategic military bases for years to come. It's not the Iraqi's freedom that is important, it's our freedom. Freedom to live in the way we have become accustomed.
If you pull your troops out of Iraq, where will be next? Obviously the American military is unable to maintain it's world postition indefinitely forever, but are you really in any hurry to have what you've got undermined already? You've only had it 50 years!
You won't win every fight in life, but if you get a reputation for backing away, more people will test you.
This is not a political thread, it is a point of view. Of course it can become political, like any topic. Politics affect everyone, whether they want it to or not. Even as kids, it affects you one way or another. The diverse views of everyone here, stimulates your brain. Sometimes it creates anomosities, sometimes it creates understanding between two opposites. I know I tend to lean toward political views, but believe it or not, you people make me question my beliefs. I am very right wing, but listening to you all, I do question it.
We have one thing in common, we are gamers. That gives me a feeling of commaradery and I am sure you feel the same way, one way or another.
BTW,,,,,,I was one of the winners of the beta giveaway for the "Chronicals of Spellborn" LOL