Hey If God Created Everything... Then who created god? Or what is god. And how did he right a bible? and why is the bible in english shouldnt it be gods languege. And if he created the earth and everything. Why doesnt he prove it? And why does he say every religion is the wrong religion. and like some dude said up there ^. Why was it all created during the romans and then shouldn't there be record of it before like the cavman or something? Or is the roman period when everyone went crazy and needed something to belive in and have fallowers?
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
I personaly find strength in the belief that I can chose what to believe,in other and stranger words the fact I don't need a god gives me strength
Exactly!!!!!! Thats my opinion. And how can someone tell you and help you what to do through a bible? that could have been changed over the like 3000 or so years.
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
JasmineRose seems to be motivated by concern for her friend, and her reasons for believing in god are her own. She wants her friend to change her views on religion. I can understand that. To be best friends with someone with such an opposing viewpoint to something Rose holds so personal. It would be the same as an aetheist wishing his friend would drop the religious mumbo jumbo. A wish doesn't necessarliy mean she intends to threaten their friendship unless the other changes her ways. Lets ease off of JasmineRose, okay?
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
I know what you mean your told what you need and then told one being superior to you is the only solution when I'm content with what I got and just not existing for the rest of time
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
JasmineRose seems to be motivated by concern for her friend, and her reasons for believing in god are her own. She wants her friend to change her views on religion. I can understand that. To be best friends with someone with such an opposing viewpoint to something Rose holds so personal. It would be the same as an aetheist wishing his friend would drop the religious mumbo jumbo. A wish doesn't necessarliy mean she intends to threaten their friendship unless the other changes her ways. Lets ease off of JasmineRose, okay?
My best friend is Church of Christ, and I respect his beliefs in the religious mumbo jumbo, we just agree to disagree.
I personaly find strength in the belief that I can chose what to believe,in other and stranger words the fact I don't need a god gives me strength
Exactly!!!!!! Thats my opinion. And how can someone tell you and help you what to do through a bible? that could have been changed over the like 3000 or so years.
Even though the bible has been altered through the ages, it does not discount everything it has to teach. There are some good stories there, and good lessons. I read Terry Pratchett. Sure his books are works of fiction, but there are good lessons there too.
why do you want to live forever? wouldn't you get sick of it?
Originally posted by Spy_HIppo
I know what you mean your told what you need and then told one being superior to you is the only solution when I'm content with what I got and just not existing for the rest of time
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
I have to agree. I hate being told to "Convert before you are damned to hell by the One True God". If there happens to not be a god, then we're going to share enternal oblivion together. If the Christians are right, then they can gloat all the time when I'm burning in hell. No need to try to rub it in now that I'm going to the hot place and you aren't.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Of, it's because he cares about her spiritual well being and thinks that perhaps she can find enlightenment through his way of thinking. It's not a matter of not having respect, it's a matter of caring on a deeper level than you seem to understand.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
Is it really that hard to understand that someone would not believe in god? There is no proof of god's existance, None. There are very few scientific facts that Point in the direction that the world and universe was "created" (dreanor knows more about these then I do).
About non-believers finding the "strength", I believe non-religious people also have a pilar of strength, its just something diffrent, like a real person for example.
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
I think any person who considers themselves to be in a position to damn someone to hell for anything is somewhat big for their boots. If there is a hell, then we either put ourselves there or God decides, and nobody should claim to know the mind of God. It's not our place to judge such things.
I don't see any evidence of anyone here suggesting damnation for disagreeing. That was a bit of a loaded statement, but I guess if that's how you see it, then it makes sense that you see it as a sign of disrespect.
Personally, I'm not sure I subscribe to the typical christian view of hell, but for those who do, I would see it more along these lines...
Let's say I believed that lying down on the highway was a great way of protesting against rising fuel tax, and that I believed I would be perfectly safe in doing so. If you were a close friend, you could respect my belief and my motives, but still think I was was putting myself in danger and might prefer I didn't try it and try to persuade me another way was better. I'd not be putting myself in danger for disagreeing with you, I'd be in danger from lying on a road even though I myself believed I would be safe. This isn't a perfect analogy, but I hope it serves to put my point across.
To Squitty and Draenor: I know it's weird and unusual on these forums, but JasmineRose is actually female. You're both just speculating on her motives for wanting her friend to change her view. We're not given the reasons. I think your speculations say more about yourselves than her.
I have respect for her, we dont even talk about Religion, I can wish for her to change her belief and still respect her. I love her deeply and when her time comes I do not want her to go to hell and suffer. I would rather her go to heaven so that she would never have to suffer after she dies. ( Just because one cares and worries doesnt mean one doesnt respect) The power of prayer works yes it works alot, and I am so deeply sorry for those who do not understand because I really wish that you did. Sure Family. Friends and a bit of personal gumption work just fine but God is the one who is the real lifesaver in my life.
Originally posted by modjoe86
Originally posted by JasmineRose
I beleive in God and I do not think I would have gotten through some that I have without him. My best friend however does not believe in God, I respect her beliefs but I honestly wish she would change her view point on religion. I do not understand it that someone would not believe in God (the person who actualy created us and enabled us to be put here on earth in the 1st place) and sometime I wonder where non believers find the strength ( where in my life God would be) if they ever need it. It is something I will never understand.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Heck no... People look at current events and actually read revelations. We have birds dying by the thousands everywhere, armies massing in the middle east, floods, famine, weather patterns changing for the worse, unelected leaders in control I could go on and on. The writing is on the wall, will you read it?
I can truly understand the disbelief in god most have been told by the media there is no god, you are an ape, and by the way your only reason to live is to consume. Oh ya and most wars are caused by religion lol that one always gets me. No, religion is used as an excuse, its greed people greed for your posessions and control over you, God is used as a scapegoat to hide their real intentions. Sleep people do not wake up until the executioner is at your door and he will be there.
I have a question for you all. Have you noticed how time seems to be speeding up? Hmm, do you know why? God has told us that he will ease our suffering in the end times by doing just that. Go ahead and deny its your choice but look out the window, ooh nice flowers ugh in winter! Read the bible and well it says this will happen.
Do you believe we have been visited by nonhumean entities? If so, why do you think the governments deny they exist? Why do abducties say sexual experiments were performed on them? Read the bible, the fallen angels have time and again tried to pollute our genes and make offspring with man. Nothing good can come from secrets.
Ask yourself this last question. Why is a man (Jesus) that never hurt anyone and tried to help all he came in contact with so offensive that you cannot utter his name anymore without someone being offended.
I guess love is the worst four letter word in the world today. Our media promotes hate and suffering as entertainment I can understand you have been fooled by wicked men.
it's not the media-it's the people and you can't deny that religuos people do scrazy and inhumane things and yes there have been many people that used religion as a way to hurt people-and the bible is from early people with nothing to go off of the reason christianity is the strongest religion is because people have killed in the name of it more than once it has killed off other religion and perhaps all the stuff happening is just one of the Earth's unknown cycles and humanity at it's work this planet is billions of years old so why did god show his face so recently
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
I question the fact about how old the earth actually is, who says man? How many times has the scientific community been wrong on their assumptions? There is way too many to list here. Question everything especially when money is involved.
It is the media, it is a proven fact when you tell a lie enough people take it for truth. Yes it is man, and always remember that someone is deciding what you hear and see on TV. Is it all the truth or snippets to get their agenda across? We are currently being spoonfed information out of context by a few select powerful corrupt people. Make no mistake you are not seeing real news much anymore on the news. We get the hoe parade with paris Hilton as news. I am sorry she is not newsworthy so why all the press? Maybe because of misdirection? I think so, sleep on people sleep on.
Yes, It is a cycle and if you want to see what happens next read revelations. Remember what once was will come again it is written so get ready for a interesting and rough ride.
so tell me.name the exact name of the corupt companies we get truth and lies and it is true that the earth has to be old-we have found dinosaur bones and bones from a former state of ours. It isn't the media because even though there are lies,most of it is the truth and besides-if god comes then the worst that happens is he leaves me behind,because if he does decide to leave most of earth behind and take only his servants then your only worshiping him from fear of going to hell and longing to get everything in heaven
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
We can measure the degradation in Carbon 14 atoms. That is scientifically provable. By measuring the degradation, we can determine how old something is. 4 billion years is a ball park figure, but we are positive the world is at least that old. As for the big bang, we know that galaxies are expanding outward from a single event. That is also scientifically proven. Wether it was just a big bang or god saying "let there be light" can never be scientifically proven, and God is mum on the subject.
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Did someone attempt to change her beliefs?
edit: nm, I misunderstood the post.
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If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
I personaly find strength in the belief that I can chose what to believe,in other and stranger words the fact I don't need a god gives me strength
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
JasmineRose seems to be motivated by concern for her friend, and her reasons for believing in god are her own. She wants her friend to change her views on religion. I can understand that. To be best friends with someone with such an opposing viewpoint to something Rose holds so personal. It would be the same as an aetheist wishing his friend would drop the religious mumbo jumbo. A wish doesn't necessarliy mean she intends to threaten their friendship unless the other changes her ways. Lets ease off of JasmineRose, okay?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
JasmineRose seems to be motivated by concern for her friend, and her reasons for believing in god are her own. She wants her friend to change her views on religion. I can understand that. To be best friends with someone with such an opposing viewpoint to something Rose holds so personal. It would be the same as an aetheist wishing his friend would drop the religious mumbo jumbo. A wish doesn't necessarliy mean she intends to threaten their friendship unless the other changes her ways. Lets ease off of JasmineRose, okay?
My best friend is Church of Christ, and I respect his beliefs in the religious mumbo jumbo, we just agree to disagree.
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Even though the bible has been altered through the ages, it does not discount everything it has to teach. There are some good stories there, and good lessons. I read Terry Pratchett. Sure his books are works of fiction, but there are good lessons there too.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
I have to agree. I hate being told to "Convert before you are damned to hell by the One True God". If there happens to not be a god, then we're going to share enternal oblivion together. If the Christians are right, then they can gloat all the time when I'm burning in hell. No need to try to rub it in now that I'm going to the hot place and you aren't.We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
God: If you really worship me, you'll sacrifice your son for me.
Abraham: I really don't want to, but because you told me to...
( I know the story doesn't end in Abraham's son's death, but the lesson is utter devotion. Even against one's own better judgment. )
it would take religion or desperation-we each have to decide the boundry between these two so it truly is opinion of what is good and what is wicked
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Of, it's because he cares about her spiritual well being and thinks that perhaps she can find enlightenment through his way of thinking. It's not a matter of not having respect, it's a matter of caring on a deeper level than you seem to understand.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
About non-believers finding the "strength", I believe non-religious people also have a pilar of strength, its just something diffrent, like a real person for example.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Is "personal gumption" another term for "cookies"?
Why can't you respect someone's beliefs and at the same time, hope they might change?
Haha. Love you too, sweetie.
Well, there is a problem with those who are religious hoping others will change. If I don't believe in God, I'm bound to hell by a Christian's belief set. If someone thinks their beliefs are so superior to mine that I will suffer eternal damnation for disagreeing, then I would see that as a sign of disrespect for what I believe.
I think any person who considers themselves to be in a position to damn someone to hell for anything is somewhat big for their boots. If there is a hell, then we either put ourselves there or God decides, and nobody should claim to know the mind of God. It's not our place to judge such things.
I don't see any evidence of anyone here suggesting damnation for disagreeing. That was a bit of a loaded statement, but I guess if that's how you see it, then it makes sense that you see it as a sign of disrespect.
Personally, I'm not sure I subscribe to the typical christian view of hell, but for those who do, I would see it more along these lines...
Let's say I believed that lying down on the highway was a great way of protesting against rising fuel tax, and that I believed I would be perfectly safe in doing so. If you were a close friend, you could respect my belief and my motives, but still think I was was putting myself in danger and might prefer I didn't try it and try to persuade me another way was better. I'd not be putting myself in danger for disagreeing with you, I'd be in danger from lying on a road even though I myself believed I would be safe. This isn't a perfect analogy, but I hope it serves to put my point across.
To Squitty and Draenor: I know it's weird and unusual on these forums, but JasmineRose is actually female. You're both just speculating on her motives for wanting her friend to change her view. We're not given the reasons. I think your speculations say more about yourselves than her.
If you want her to change her beliefs, you don't really have respect for what she believes in.
Some people choose to think about such an impossible question as "Does God exist?" Call us crazy. As for finding strength, I don't need a supreme being to get me through hard times. Family, friends, and a bit of personal gumption tend to work just fine for me.
Heck no... People look at current events and actually read revelations. We have birds dying by the thousands everywhere, armies massing in the middle east, floods, famine, weather patterns changing for the worse, unelected leaders in control I could go on and on. The writing is on the wall, will you read it?
I can truly understand the disbelief in god most have been told by the media there is no god, you are an ape, and by the way your only reason to live is to consume. Oh ya and most wars are caused by religion lol that one always gets me. No, religion is used as an excuse, its greed people greed for your posessions and control over you, God is used as a scapegoat to hide their real intentions. Sleep people do not wake up until the executioner is at your door and he will be there.
I have a question for you all. Have you noticed how time seems to be speeding up? Hmm, do you know why? God has told us that he will ease our suffering in the end times by doing just that. Go ahead and deny its your choice but look out the window, ooh nice flowers ugh in winter! Read the bible and well it says this will happen.
Do you believe we have been visited by nonhumean entities? If so, why do you think the governments deny they exist? Why do abducties say sexual experiments were performed on them? Read the bible, the fallen angels have time and again tried to pollute our genes and make offspring with man. Nothing good can come from secrets.
Ask yourself this last question. Why is a man (Jesus) that never hurt anyone and tried to help all he came in contact with so offensive that you cannot utter his name anymore without someone being offended.
I guess love is the worst four letter word in the world today. Our media promotes hate and suffering as entertainment I can understand you have been fooled by wicked men.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
I question the fact about how old the earth actually is, who says man? How many times has the scientific community been wrong on their assumptions? There is way too many to list here. Question everything especially when money is involved.
It is the media, it is a proven fact when you tell a lie enough people take it for truth. Yes it is man, and always remember that someone is deciding what you hear and see on TV. Is it all the truth or snippets to get their agenda across? We are currently being spoonfed information out of context by a few select powerful corrupt people. Make no mistake you are not seeing real news much anymore on the news. We get the hoe parade with paris Hilton as news. I am sorry she is not newsworthy so why all the press? Maybe because of misdirection? I think so, sleep on people sleep on.
Yes, It is a cycle and if you want to see what happens next read revelations. Remember what once was will come again it is written so get ready for a interesting and rough ride.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
We can measure the degradation in Carbon 14 atoms. That is scientifically provable. By measuring the degradation, we can determine how old something is. 4 billion years is a ball park figure, but we are positive the world is at least that old. As for the big bang, we know that galaxies are expanding outward from a single event. That is also scientifically proven. Wether it was just a big bang or god saying "let there be light" can never be scientifically proven, and God is mum on the subject.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
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