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By the way Shae, that was not a half bad response. Clever girl. Well done !! I am really proud and pleased with you. Impressed as I am I'll send you my London number by pm, but later because atm I am in Paris. I still think you would look gorgeous in Pink.
I've corrected the sentence, it sometimes takes me a few passes over the same phrase to get it right, after all English is my fourth language, perfection eludes me still I suppose...
Oh and by the way, I wear pink quite often and I look fabulous in it.
Assumptions are indeed the crux and crutch of the ignorant, aren't they?
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However this entire topic is just... amusing.
Female Gamers are no different than male gamers. Anyone stupid enough to treat a girl differently just because she's a girl deserves to get exploited and taken for all they are worth. Women who get overly fixated on needing 'power' over men (or over other women) are no different from men who get overly fixated on needing 'power' over others as well. Generally they just go about it differently.
Personally? I could care less if the person behind the avatar is a guy or a girl. If they're an enemy they all die the same. If they're a friend they either pull their weight or get kicked to the curb.
That is the Wolf's Dragoons way (My DAOC guild). Either you are a friend... or you're a target. Or maybe an ally either worth ignoring or worth helping.
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El!!!! As if you just randomely show up and not say hi, after ditching me for so long!!!
Not pleased El, not pleased at all
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first off...there was no idea to attempt to offend me, and i'm not going to 'attempt' to do it back, not worth my time. Why couldn't you have simply said..."haha, you've basically just agreed with me there". Instead you insist on calling me a child.
And...just for the record...re-read what i put please. i state that if religion has no input on morals it then becomes an ethic. so, please before you offend make sure you know what you're on about:)
pardon me Staircase, you are quite right. I retract what I said and apologise to you.
anyway, i'll leave you all to it again.
A gamer is a gamer no matter what sex, unlike the real world a female has no disadvantages in front of a computer screen so why should she be given advantages in-game?
(disadvantages such as being weaker, natural body actions etc etc, i'm not being sexist)
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As Tamalan pointed out this "girl" is more than likely a guy. Let's look at the facts here.
1. "She" uses big words.
We all know that girls can't use big words. Science has proven that females have less brain power than men and when it's Science, you can't argue with it.
2. "She" is a tease.
If any of you have ever played an MMOG, you would know that all the "girl" gamers that are out there that are teases are actually guys. The reason I know this is because I actually met up with one of the "girls" in real life. 16 stitches, 1 arrest and a general questioning of my manhood later, I developed the ability to sniff out a guy--in the most heterosexual way possible of course.
3. "She" resisted my calls.
That's right, I called her up and even though her voice sounded kinda female, I knew that when she totally rejected me that she had to be a guy. I've come to the very Scientific Conclusion that all girls who reject me are guys.
Even the ones that look and sound like girls. Remeber, Science.
4. Book like paragraphs
This directly correlates with 1. In addtion to the big words there are long, boring, book like paragraphs. And as we all know, the books all written by women have been utter failures. I saw one the other day that looked promising but when I opened it up it was just full of pictures of puppies and kowala bears.
5. "She" plays videogames.
This is the most important one fellas. There are no girls that play videogames. Anywhere. Even if they look like they're playing videogames they're faking it. Which the last girl I was awkwardly with said she doing but she never played videogames so I don't know what she was talking about. I have conclusive studies by top mathmaticians stating the odds of a female playing videogames are so astronmical, Stepeh Hawkings head exploded trying to calculate it. I also have top Biologists who have done research experiments on the effects videogames have on Vaginas. Apparently, videogames are to Vaginas as kryptonite is to Superman. I know, I know, it's sad but it's also a fact. I've had to deal with and you will too, unless you want to live in a fantasy land where women can vote too.
I think my point is clear.
Girls killed Stephen Hawking.
Yes, I also find that shallow and pedantic.
So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions."
So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions."
Yay, finally someone else recognises the complete contradictions by which this person has introduced themselves and their guild.
I think I'm actually begining to see the humor in it now
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Shae thus far I have desisted from responding to you. Partly because in many ways it plays into the hands of the masculine, e.g. the voyeuristic tendencies that enjoy watching two women have a cat fight; and partly because you already confirm the loaded stereotypes of woman.
If there is anyone in this entire debate that is confirming the stereotype of women, then its you. the irony of that post is just absurd.
Take a deep drink of your demon Lad, tonight we tangle with the fire in the gut.
man this thread is series of TL;DR post...
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I can see it - I asked *you* what *you* think the difference is. Now, answer. Don't troll, don't post spin, don't evade - just answer it. What is this difference, according to you?
As I said, I'm not even going to bother. I'm not going to write an entire article of something that is SO incredibly obvious. Its an incredible waste of time. It like explaining why 1 + 1 is 2.
Now you know how I feel interacting with a kid like you. That's right, you are a kid, with a kid's experiences and a kid's point-of-view. Time will cure most of that, and I'm afraid you'll have to take my word on that one. Argue it as much as you want; it's an inescapable fact.
I'm not patronising you or belittling you, Gameloading, I'm being honest - but I'm certain you won't see it that way. You are a bright guy, but your reach does exceed your grasp on occcasion.
But, after being online for 16-18 years like I have, I no longer perceive any real difference between computer-based interaction and "real-life" interaction. To me, there is no difference apart from the medium involved and a spurious feeling of anonymity.
"Hitting" on someone in-game to me is no different to what goes on at a nightclub or some other social venue, physical or virtual - I met my current wife online on ICQ over 9 years ago and I'll be married to her 9 years this July. I moved from one continent to another to be with her.
So, to me, there is no real difference, and I've had far, far too many experiences to be told blithely that there is.
Yes, hitting on people for the sheer sake that the target "may" be of the opposite sex is ridiculous, but the fact that you're playing a MMO should be no barrier to love or a good time if it leads in that direction. Some people communicate better via a keyboard than they do tete-a-tete, for a variety of reasons.
For the benefit of this topic:
We are talking about seduction here. There is a diffrence with starting a relation through online and the practise of these bunch of women. a WORLD OF DIFFRENCE. Comparing it with the relation of your wife is ignorant, and is something that is entirely diffrent then the practise of this "guild". I have absolutely nothing against online relations, Nothing at all.I'm too old to even consider the reality of girl gamers to be a legitimate issue. They exist and oh well. Good on them. It's a total non-issue. Shame some immature people see fit to still make it one.
But this:
"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions. "
Should stay out of games. In the future, when I let my kid play an MMORPG, I don't want him/her to be exposed to crap like this in a GAME. And not just for my kids. When I play an MMORPG, I also want to play the game without seeing a bunch of women "seducing" people to get whatever it is they want.
Actually Gameloading, Ulujain is right here. There are many reasons why people try to "seduce" others, including just for the fun of it. And it is really no different if done live or online. If a bunch of women think it is fun to roleplay seductresses in a game, let them. WHAT IN THE WORLD is so BAD about that? I really don't get what problem you have with that.
You keep talking about kids playing the game. That's the problem right there. If a kid isn't mature enough to handle the possibility of somebody roleplaying something that isn't approporiate for them, then they are not mature enough to be playing an online ROLEPLAYING game with massive amounts of strangers.
If you have an issue with women or "feminine" people using their charms to get what they want, then you have a problem with it, that doesn't mean that it is problematic. Half of getting what you want in life is about working with what you've got.
I don't know how I personally would feel about joining an all girl guild, but I like the idea of getting to roleplay a seductress. Heck, it isn't something I do irl because I am happily married and have talent and intelligence, so why not in a game?
I can see it - I asked *you* what *you* think the difference is. Now, answer. Don't troll, don't post spin, don't evade - just answer it. What is this difference, according to you?
As I said, I'm not even going to bother. I'm not going to write an entire article of something that is SO incredibly obvious. Its an incredible waste of time. It like explaining why 1 + 1 is 2.
Now you know how I feel interacting with a kid like you. That's right, you are a kid, with a kid's experiences and a kid's point-of-view. Time will cure most of that, and I'm afraid you'll have to take my word on that one. Argue it as much as you want; it's an inescapable fact.
I'm not patronising you or belittling you, Gameloading, I'm being honest - but I'm certain you won't see it that way. You are a bright guy, but your reach does exceed your grasp on occcasion.
But, after being online for 16-18 years like I have, I no longer perceive any real difference between computer-based interaction and "real-life" interaction. To me, there is no difference apart from the medium involved and a spurious feeling of anonymity.
"Hitting" on someone in-game to me is no different to what goes on at a nightclub or some other social venue, physical or virtual - I met my current wife online on ICQ over 9 years ago and I'll be married to her 9 years this July. I moved from one continent to another to be with her.
So, to me, there is no real difference, and I've had far, far too many experiences to be told blithely that there is.
Yes, hitting on people for the sheer sake that the target "may" be of the opposite sex is ridiculous, but the fact that you're playing a MMO should be no barrier to love or a good time if it leads in that direction. Some people communicate better via a keyboard than they do tete-a-tete, for a variety of reasons.
For the benefit of this topic:
We are talking about seduction here. There is a diffrence with starting a relation through online and the practise of these bunch of women. a WORLD OF DIFFRENCE. Comparing it with the relation of your wife is ignorant, and is something that is entirely diffrent then the practise of this "guild". I have absolutely nothing against online relations, Nothing at all.I'm too old to even consider the reality of girl gamers to be a legitimate issue. They exist and oh well. Good on them. It's a total non-issue. Shame some immature people see fit to still make it one.
But this:
"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions. "
Should stay out of games. In the future, when I let my kid play an MMORPG, I don't want him/her to be exposed to crap like this in a GAME. And not just for my kids. When I play an MMORPG, I also want to play the game without seeing a bunch of women "seducing" people to get whatever it is they want.
Actually Gameloading, Ulujain is right here. There are many reasons why people try to "seduce" others, including just for the fun of it. And it is really no different if done live or online. If a bunch of women think it is fun to roleplay seductresses in a game, let them. WHAT IN THE WORLD is so BAD about that? I really don't get what problem you have with that.
You keep talking about kids playing the game. That's the problem right there. If a kid isn't mature enough to handle the possibility of somebody roleplaying something that isn't approporiate for them, then they are not mature enough to be playing an online ROLEPLAYING game with massive amounts of strangers.
If you have an issue with women or "feminine" people using their charms to get what they want, then you have a problem with it, that doesn't mean that it is problematic. Half of getting what you want in life is about working with what you've got.
I don't know how I personally would feel about joining an all girl guild, but I like the idea of getting to roleplay a seductress. Heck, it isn't something I do irl because I am happily married and have talent and intelligence, so why not in a game?
There is no "right" or "wrong" here, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't know about you, But I don't want to see any people who sexualy "tease" or "seduce" each other in a GAME. These are no longer the 90's where only 20+ people play MMORPG's. This is 2007, People of all ages play MMORPG's. Should I keep children away from MMORPG's just because a bunch of females can't see the diffrence between reality and gaming? Because they feel a deep need to bring sex and erotic to MMORPG's?Memorandum from the Immaculate Council of Femmes Fatales
Fellow Elitists, Supremacists, Comrades, Tyrants, Democrats and Plebians.
Before we close this thread we would like to sincerely thank you all for your contributions, readings and patience. As one may expect there have been erudite, considered and some enlightened views, unfortunately we have also heard from some lesser bed fellow grunts. To the brighter, more nuanced and subtle of you I apologise sincerely that the debate has inevitably been contaminated by "Das Man". As of necessity the herd always have an instrinsic need to "level down" and flatten any semblance of high culture or value. And of course, self righteous as we are, we reserve this designation of "high" for our good selves.
We can think of five contributions that have made a particular impression. One of the Femmes Fatales Council Members has successfully invited one contributor out for a date. Of course she has no intention of paying for any of the evenings entertainment. She will, however, wear a foxy little electric blue number just to please the eye. All in all, the various offerings based on distinctions between masculine and feminine, real and virtual, moral and immoral, equality and inequality, authentic and deceptive, ironic and pragmatic have all enriched our dull kitchen lives.
Femmes Fatales has benefited enormously from this short but intense period of activity. Overall we are glad you have taken the time and trouble to make your opinions heard. Our prediction was that we would receive 50 contributions, so the 96 thus far has greatly exceeded our expectations. Well done girls and boys !!!
Most of all Femmes Fatales are pleased to announce that during the threads brief time span, we have received 105 applications to join our little syndicate. You can imagine how delighted and excited we are ! What a fabulous response rate and we would like to thank www.mmorpg.com for their indulgence. Of course, mmorpg.com has benefited greatly from a higher intelligence and more cultivated sensibility being brought to bear on their otherwise impoverised forums.
Out of the 105 applications, we are seriously considering and evaluating 5 applications. You can imagine we subject all applications to a thorough examination. To those who have unsuccessfully applied we apologise that some of you cannot be processed. The application by Ozriok, for example, despite our personal phone call, is quite frankly beyond the pale. Inspite of his scientific sensibilities, his rather pithy appeal to borrow and don our frilly knickers and skirts (on a loan basis !) so that he can experiment with his impotency, simply will not do. I am sorry Ozroik if you are dead down there, there is little any of us girls can do for you, after all we prefer virile Alpha male warriors. We dont perform miracles !! Yet.
Incidentally, Ozriok, scientific research (yes, rigorous, valid and methodologically sound) for Sony and others, has shown that 15% of all gamers are female.
I am afraid to say that we are now closing the application process. As I said in the Blog we are a small and intimate syndicate that prefers quality over quantity. Of course we shall be delighted to toy with and seduce you in AoC and Warhammer, and we look forwards to you shopping for us, and crafting our armour and weapons. For free of course !!
If you would really like to see a good movie that captures the essence of this thread please watch the movie "Shadow of Angels" starring that gorgeous hunk Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Alas this recommendation may well fall on deaf ears, but nevermind.
On behalf of Femmes Fatales and as a feature of our Swan Song I would like to thank you Fellow Campers. ... and psstttt dont forget to leave the light on, as one of our Romanian members, Lady Selda, has a taste for blood ......
Good night and God Bless.
Keridwan
The Will to Power is a frugal resource, you dont have to think about it whilst walking the dog ....
Thank you Young Retarded Boy who was the unfortunate victim of some clever photoshop.
We, The Internet, are thankful for your sacrifice.
So instead, I'll go with:
Hahahahaha.
Edit: Quotation
Yes, I also find that shallow and pedantic.
Having skimmed the topic, the blog and the responses:
You know, if a man were to put forth views about being male similar to what the OP has been saying about being feminine, he would be called a chauvanist. I find it highly amusing (and also very sad) that these women appear to be attempting to exploit the double-standards of society when they're also the types who would complain if a man were to do the same.
Unfortunately, this is a trend I've been seeing more and more in real life as well as online, and, as a result, is it any wonder that I've become a borderline misogynist?
-shakes his head and stalks off in disgust-
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
If I may offer a small corrective Rikimaru, this is not really a discussion about "females playing video games" it is more about distinctions between feminine and masculine MMO players and how this maps out in guilds, character development and design and how gamers develop an on-line identity or role.
Ok I got you. Well I'll read it and get back to ya on it.
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I can see it - I asked *you* what *you* think the difference is. Now, answer. Don't troll, don't post spin, don't evade - just answer it. What is this difference, according to you?
As I said, I'm not even going to bother. I'm not going to write an entire article of something that is SO incredibly obvious. Its an incredible waste of time. It like explaining why 1 + 1 is 2.
Now you know how I feel interacting with a kid like you. That's right, you are a kid, with a kid's experiences and a kid's point-of-view. Time will cure most of that, and I'm afraid you'll have to take my word on that one. Argue it as much as you want; it's an inescapable fact.
I'm not patronising you or belittling you, Gameloading, I'm being honest - but I'm certain you won't see it that way. You are a bright guy, but your reach does exceed your grasp on occcasion.
But, after being online for 16-18 years like I have, I no longer perceive any real difference between computer-based interaction and "real-life" interaction. To me, there is no difference apart from the medium involved and a spurious feeling of anonymity.
"Hitting" on someone in-game to me is no different to what goes on at a nightclub or some other social venue, physical or virtual - I met my current wife online on ICQ over 9 years ago and I'll be married to her 9 years this July. I moved from one continent to another to be with her.
So, to me, there is no real difference, and I've had far, far too many experiences to be told blithely that there is.
Yes, hitting on people for the sheer sake that the target "may" be of the opposite sex is ridiculous, but the fact that you're playing a MMO should be no barrier to love or a good time if it leads in that direction. Some people communicate better via a keyboard than they do tete-a-tete, for a variety of reasons.
For the benefit of this topic:
We are talking about seduction here. There is a diffrence with starting a relation through online and the practise of these bunch of women. a WORLD OF DIFFRENCE. Comparing it with the relation of your wife is ignorant, and is something that is entirely diffrent then the practise of this "guild". I have absolutely nothing against online relations, Nothing at all.I'm too old to even consider the reality of girl gamers to be a legitimate issue. They exist and oh well. Good on them. It's a total non-issue. Shame some immature people see fit to still make it one.
But this:
"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions. "
Should stay out of games. In the future, when I let my kid play an MMORPG, I don't want him/her to be exposed to crap like this in a GAME. And not just for my kids. When I play an MMORPG, I also want to play the game without seeing a bunch of women "seducing" people to get whatever it is they want.
Actually Gameloading, Ulujain is right here. There are many reasons why people try to "seduce" others, including just for the fun of it. And it is really no different if done live or online. If a bunch of women think it is fun to roleplay seductresses in a game, let them. WHAT IN THE WORLD is so BAD about that? I really don't get what problem you have with that.
You keep talking about kids playing the game. That's the problem right there. If a kid isn't mature enough to handle the possibility of somebody roleplaying something that isn't approporiate for them, then they are not mature enough to be playing an online ROLEPLAYING game with massive amounts of strangers.
If you have an issue with women or "feminine" people using their charms to get what they want, then you have a problem with it, that doesn't mean that it is problematic. Half of getting what you want in life is about working with what you've got.
I don't know how I personally would feel about joining an all girl guild, but I like the idea of getting to roleplay a seductress. Heck, it isn't something I do irl because I am happily married and have talent and intelligence, so why not in a game?
There is no "right" or "wrong" here, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't know about you, But I don't want to see any people who sexualy "tease" or "seduce" each other in a GAME. These are no longer the 90's where only 20+ people play MMORPG's. This is 2007, People of all ages play MMORPG's. Should I keep children away from MMORPG's just because a bunch of females can't see the diffrence between reality and gaming? Because they feel a deep need to bring sex and erotic to MMORPG's?this thread reminds me of the scene in Anchorman, the legend of Ron Burgundy, where the all male news team is yelling and protesting at the head producer about a female joining the news staff, when Steve Carell's character, Brick's next line I think sums up this entire thread: "I don't know what we're yelling about" (said as a yell / scream)
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I can see it - I asked *you* what *you* think the difference is. Now, answer. Don't troll, don't post spin, don't evade - just answer it. What is this difference, according to you?
As I said, I'm not even going to bother. I'm not going to write an entire article of something that is SO incredibly obvious. Its an incredible waste of time. It like explaining why 1 + 1 is 2.
Now you know how I feel interacting with a kid like you. That's right, you are a kid, with a kid's experiences and a kid's point-of-view. Time will cure most of that, and I'm afraid you'll have to take my word on that one. Argue it as much as you want; it's an inescapable fact.
I'm not patronising you or belittling you, Gameloading, I'm being honest - but I'm certain you won't see it that way. You are a bright guy, but your reach does exceed your grasp on occcasion.
But, after being online for 16-18 years like I have, I no longer perceive any real difference between computer-based interaction and "real-life" interaction. To me, there is no difference apart from the medium involved and a spurious feeling of anonymity.
"Hitting" on someone in-game to me is no different to what goes on at a nightclub or some other social venue, physical or virtual - I met my current wife online on ICQ over 9 years ago and I'll be married to her 9 years this July. I moved from one continent to another to be with her.
So, to me, there is no real difference, and I've had far, far too many experiences to be told blithely that there is.
Yes, hitting on people for the sheer sake that the target "may" be of the opposite sex is ridiculous, but the fact that you're playing a MMO should be no barrier to love or a good time if it leads in that direction. Some people communicate better via a keyboard than they do tete-a-tete, for a variety of reasons.
For the benefit of this topic:
We are talking about seduction here. There is a diffrence with starting a relation through online and the practise of these bunch of women. a WORLD OF DIFFRENCE. Comparing it with the relation of your wife is ignorant, and is something that is entirely diffrent then the practise of this "guild". I have absolutely nothing against online relations, Nothing at all.I'm too old to even consider the reality of girl gamers to be a legitimate issue. They exist and oh well. Good on them. It's a total non-issue. Shame some immature people see fit to still make it one.
But this:
"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions. "
Should stay out of games. In the future, when I let my kid play an MMORPG, I don't want him/her to be exposed to crap like this in a GAME. And not just for my kids. When I play an MMORPG, I also want to play the game without seeing a bunch of women "seducing" people to get whatever it is they want.
Actually Gameloading, Ulujain is right here. There are many reasons why people try to "seduce" others, including just for the fun of it. And it is really no different if done live or online. If a bunch of women think it is fun to roleplay seductresses in a game, let them. WHAT IN THE WORLD is so BAD about that? I really don't get what problem you have with that.
You keep talking about kids playing the game. That's the problem right there. If a kid isn't mature enough to handle the possibility of somebody roleplaying something that isn't approporiate for them, then they are not mature enough to be playing an online ROLEPLAYING game with massive amounts of strangers.
If you have an issue with women or "feminine" people using their charms to get what they want, then you have a problem with it, that doesn't mean that it is problematic. Half of getting what you want in life is about working with what you've got.
I don't know how I personally would feel about joining an all girl guild, but I like the idea of getting to roleplay a seductress. Heck, it isn't something I do irl because I am happily married and have talent and intelligence, so why not in a game?
There is no "right" or "wrong" here, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't know about you, But I don't want to see any people who sexualy "tease" or "seduce" each other in a GAME. These are no longer the 90's where only 20+ people play MMORPG's. This is 2007, People of all ages play MMORPG's. Should I keep children away from MMORPG's just because a bunch of females can't see the diffrence between reality and gaming? Because they feel a deep need to bring sex and erotic to MMORPG's?this thread reminds me of the scene in Anchorman, the legend of Ron Burgundy, where the all male news team is yelling and protesting at the head producer about a female joining the news staff, when Steve Carell's character, Brick's next line I think sums up this entire thread: "I don't know what we're yelling about" (said as a yell / scream)
Except that in this case, several females disagree with the original poster as well?
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of their guild are probably blokes getting off talking dirty with them over the internet. I wonder how many "members" that are on vent don't have a mic? Also those gu.. erm I mean gals that don't have mics, why do you think they haven't bought one in the last six months?
Well I'll be glad if they accept my application, should be a good laugh listening to them carry on MUAH HAH HAH I'M SO EVIL!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis