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Mass. lawmakers advance gay marriage ban!

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  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? Farm animals are not consenting adults.



    And if you want to see some "crazy shit" going on, just keep using the government to control people.
  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"? Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it.

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  • OpticaleyeOpticaleye Member Posts: 498
    As a card carrying libertarian i default to freedom on most every issue.

    I have no problem with gay marriage.



    I say let them have at it.They can also deal with spousal support,divorce,alimony, child custody,marriage taxes and the escalating cost of family healthcare.



    It is no concern of mine what anyone is doing as long as it incurs no personal harm to my well being.



    I dont care if frank and joe or elizabeth and jane get married.Just dont park your car in the front yard and take care of your yard and house.I dont want the value of my property going down because of lazy people gay or not.



    Live and let live if they are living in "sin" god will take care of that in due time.We shouldnt judge PERIOD.

    What is your physical limit?

  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"? Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it. So, you want to live under a government that practices majority rule?
  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666
    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"? Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it. So, you want to live under a government that practices majority rule? Um, that's pretty much how things are done now isn't it? We vote and the majority of votes win... or did they change something while I wasn't looking?

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  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578
    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they?There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"?

    Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!

    Actually the sheep doesn't have rights. Not human rights. It's not a human... Bam... Just floored your whole argument. (For that matter, is it a human right to be allowed marriage?) Wanting rights for humans doesn't mean you have to want diddly squat for animals. More importantly though, people who cannot communicate are not able to marry. If you have motor neurone disease such that you cannot move or speak, you have no way of saying "I do"/consenting to the marriage, and thus you cannot be married. The day a sheep can stand up and say "I do" in its little frilly frock is the day we have to consider giving them real rights. For now, the only thing that provably distinguishes humans from animals is language/speech, and until something can replicate that it's not the same of us, therefore it doesn't have the same rights as us. Now PLEASE find a REAL argument to oppose gay marriage.



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it.

    There's never been a vote of that kind, so quit while your 2 centuries behind and sh*t the f*ck up, move into the 21st century, get with the times, and take a sensible standpoint on current affairs.

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    The majority doesn't have the power...the judges who disagree with the majority have the power...yay for our fake democracy.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • MylonMylon Member Posts: 975
    We should ban all marriage.  Or at least get government out of it.  Marriage is a religious thing.  Let the religions sort it out.  Churches can ban whoever they like from marry in their church, but groups can always build their own church.  Or just hold it elsewhere.

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  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"? Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it. So, you want to live under a government that practices majority rule? Um, that's pretty much how things are done now isn't it? We vote and the majority of votes win... or did they change something while I wasn't looking? Your profile says your American, but your age is hidden.  So I'll tell you like I tell my middle school students who try to tell me that we live in a democracy. 



    "You've been lied to.  Whoever told you that either didn't know any better or was trying to mislead you."



    We do not live in a democracy.  Nowhere in our Constitution does it say majority rules because no democracy in the history of the world has ever survived and our founding fathers knew that.  We live in a representative republic.  It's a COMPLETELY different thing.



    Trust me, you do not want to live in a country where majority rules.  Because plenty of times the majority is plenty wrong.  And plenty of times the majority doesn't have equal rights on their plentiful minds.  And when it comes to a situation where you are the minority you're going to be really glad that Jefferson, Franklin, and the gang held even your minority rights as important.



    No, majority rules is not American.  Sorry to tell you.
  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Originally posted by Draenor

    The majority doesn't have the power...the judges who disagree with the majority have the power...yay for our fake democracy.
    The legislators are more than free to make the laws clearer so the judges can't "misinterpret" them.



    And, like I told MMOMan, we don't live in a democracy.  Thank your God we don't. 
  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666
    Originally posted by Khuzarrz

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they?There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"?

    Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!

    Actually the sheep doesn't have rights. Not human rights. It's not a human... Bam... Just floored your whole argument. (For that matter, is it a human right to be allowed marriage?) Wanting rights for humans doesn't mean you have to want diddly squat for animals. More importantly though, people who cannot communicate are not able to marry. If you have motor neurone disease such that you cannot move or speak, you have no way of saying "I do"/consenting to the marriage, and thus you cannot be married. The day a sheep can stand up and say "I do" in its little frilly frock is the day we have to consider giving them real rights. For now, the only thing that provably distinguishes humans from animals is language/speech, and until something can replicate that it's not the same of us, therefore it doesn't have the same rights as us. Now PLEASE find a REAL argument to oppose gay marriage.



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it.

    There's never been a vote of that kind, so quit while your 2 centuries behind and sh*t the f*ck up, move into the 21st century, get with the times, and take a sensible standpoint on current affairs.

    Well seeing as how my whole "sheep" argument was a joke, it makes you look silly putting all that effort into your post. Maybe it's just because you are a kid and don't understand sarcasm yet. If you're going to use profanity just go ahead and type it out, there is no language filter on this site and we wont tell your Mommy on you.

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  • MMO_ManMMO_Man Member Posts: 666
    I don't think all of you gays have to worry to much, it's just a matter of time before you will be able to get legaly married. The whole world is going to hell in a hand basket so what difference will it make?

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  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Originally posted by Mylon

    We should ban all marriage.  Or at least get government out of it.  Marriage is a religious thing.  Let the religions sort it out.  Churches can ban whoever they like from marry in their church, but groups can always build their own church.  Or just hold it elsewhere.
    Stop making sense, Mylon. 
  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by Mylon

    We should ban all marriage.  Or at least get government out of it.  Marriage is a religious thing.  Let the religions sort it out.  Churches can ban whoever they like from marry in their church, but groups can always build their own church.  Or just hold it elsewhere.
    Stop making sense, Mylon.  I pretty much agree with this sentament.  I think it's totaly outrageous that any Christian church would ever condone any type of same-sex union...but as a non religious institution, I don't think that it's right to not allow homosexuals the same political and economic rights as other people.  Regardless of political implications though, any church allowing same sex marriages is absolutely shamefull.  It's a shame that some parts of the church feel that they need to change what they believe in order to conform to a societal norm.  Of course, some will say that it's a good thing, those people are oblivious of just what exactly the Bible is.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775
    your church doesn't want to marry gays?  fine...keep your bigoted self-righteous beliefs to yourself.  i will never join you or your bigoted ilk.



    but when it comes to government...we ALL deserve the legal benefits and the rights ensured by the supreme law of the land (read: the constitution).  and you who wish to deny those rights to someone because of how they're born are bigots.

    (and as far as i'm concerned you can go fuck yourself...seriously..i thought we got over discrimination in the 60's...i guess not)



    live and let live folks...that way when you end up being the minority the laws will protect you too.




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  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775
    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? There is kind of a diffrence between marrying an animal and gay marriage. Also, how exactly is homosexual marriage "Crazy shit"? Now wait, you're the guy that said people should have freedom. How do you know that sheep doesn't have feelings? Maybe it is truely in love with the man, afterall animals have rights these days. How dare you take away that sheep's right to a happy marrage!



    Oh and the majority of Americans do think that gay marrage is "crazy shit", that's why we vote against it. So, you want to live under a government that practices majority rule? Um, that's pretty much how things are done now isn't it? We vote and the majority of votes win... or did they change something while I wasn't looking? Your profile says your American, but your age is hidden.  So I'll tell you like I tell my middle school students who try to tell me that we live in a democracy. 



    "You've been lied to.  Whoever told you that either didn't know any better or was trying to mislead you."



    We do not live in a democracy.  Nowhere in our Constitution does it say majority rules because no democracy in the history of the world has ever survived and our founding fathers knew that.  We live in a representative republic.  It's a COMPLETELY different thing.



    Trust me, you do not want to live in a country where majority rules.  Because plenty of times the majority is plenty wrong.  And plenty of times the majority doesn't have equal rights on their plentiful minds.  And when it comes to a situation where you are the minority you're going to be really glad that Jefferson, Franklin, and the gang held even your minority rights as important.



    No, majority rules is not American.  Sorry to tell you. QFT.



    democracy is mob rule.  we live in a constitutional republic where the constitution protects the rights of the minority. where democracy is used to elect our representatives.



    like reavo pointed out...our forefathers had the wisdom to setup the government in this fashion.

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586
    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? Farm animals are not consenting adults.



    And if you want to see some "crazy shit" going on, just keep using the government to control people.

    Even crazier shit would be all the homosexuals getting married after all the protesting and whining, then all start getting divorces 2-3 years later.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154
    Originally posted by freethinker

    your church doesn't want to marry gays?  fine...keep your bigoted self-righteous beliefs to yourself.  i will never join you or your bigoted ilk.



    but when it comes to government...we ALL deserve the legal benefits and the rights ensured by the supreme law of the land (read: the constitution).  and you who wish to deny those rights to someone because of how they're born are bigots.

    (and as far as i'm concerned you can go fuck yourself...seriously..i thought we got over discrimination in the 60's...i guess not)



    live and let live folks...that way when you end up being the minority the laws will protect you too.





    I'm starting to see your side of this whole thing Freethinker.  I can see now how the separate but equal historical template is attempting to be applied on me and other homosexuals now.  I honestly thought that people wouldn't be opposed to civil unions as a compromise to marriage.  But I don't think they care enough about me and other gays to want us to have anything.



    I'm going through a really big change as far as my view of the world.  I used to think there were a lot of good people that cared about others.  But lately I don't know that so much. 

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  • kaibigan34kaibigan34 Member Posts: 1,508
    Let me ask you guys something very seriously. From what I can tell the major sentiment is to ban all gay marriage. Correct? In this country we have one right, that comes to mind, Freedom of Religion. Its our first amendment.



    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."



    There is actually a few relgions where gay marriage is perfectly legal. They are of course off shoots of christian religions. I dont like them. But they are religions none the less.



    So by banning gay marriage your prohibiting the free exercise of one's religion, if they are a member of said religion. So here is my question. Are you guys actually suggesting that the government should stick their nose into religons? Are you saying we should lose yet one more right we have?



    And for what? I still havent seen anyone give one good reason why gay marriage should be banned.



    Kai
  • kaibigan34kaibigan34 Member Posts: 1,508
    Originally posted by Briansho

    Originally posted by reavo

    Originally posted by MMO_Man

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    The OP speaks about "good news", Why is it good news? does it even have ANY kind of effect on him at all?



    Where is this so called "Equal rights now eh"? Hey Op, where is your america, "Land of the freedom" now hm?
    If you let people have total freedom they do all sorts of crazy shit. Next they will be wanting to marry farm animals, do they allow that in the Netherlands? If not, then why? I mean they should give the guy who loves his goat girlfriend the right to marry her if he wants to shouldn't they? Farm animals are not consenting adults.



    And if you want to see some "crazy shit" going on, just keep using the government to control people.

    Even crazier shit would be all the homosexuals getting married after all the protesting and whining, then all start getting divorces 2-3 years later. You mean like with the heterosexual marriages? I cant even begin to count how many people I have met who have been married 2 and 3 times in just 10 years.



    Maybe its time the pot stopped pointing the finger at the kettle and start worrying about its own dirt.



    Kai
  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    Originally posted by freethinker

    your church doesn't want to marry gays?  fine...keep your bigoted self-righteous beliefs to yourself.  i will never join you or your bigoted ilk.



    but when it comes to government...we ALL deserve the legal benefits and the rights ensured by the supreme law of the land (read: the constitution).  and you who wish to deny those rights to someone because of how they're born are bigots.

    (and as far as i'm concerned you can go fuck yourself...seriously..i thought we got over discrimination in the 60's...i guess not)



    live and let live folks...that way when you end up being the minority the laws will protect you too.







    I find the hatefullness of your posts regarding religion to be quite ironic...considering you are constantly talking about supposed bigotry in the church...

    big·ot     /?b?g?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

    –noun
    a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion

    You seem to be the bigot, a bigot of religion.  What you don't seem to understand is that the vast majority of the Christian right IS tolerant of homosexuality....the fact that we do not feel that it is right for them to be married under the banner of Christianity doesn't make us biggots, it makes us bible thumpers.  Get your semi-insulting terminology correct please.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    I have nothing against homosexuals marrying.  As long as its the opposite sex.  Who said Homosexuals couldnt marry?  This has been brought up time and time again. 

    Female =        /V

             Male =    8----

    This is the way we are made and this is the way it should stay.....Period

     

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  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909
    Originally posted by outfctrl

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    I have nothing against homosexuals marrying.  As long as its the opposite sex.  Who said Homosexuals couldnt marry?  This has been brought up time and time again. 

    Female =        /V

             Male =    8----

    This is the way we are made and this is the way it should stay.....Period

     


    So please tell me how would homosexuals marry the opposite sex if they dont feel attracted to it... and if they find a soulmate of the same sex why shouldnt they be able to marry? just because they cant conceive children dont mean them as a couple shouldnt have the same rights.
  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    US Code, Title 1, Chapter 1, Para 7

    In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word “marriage” means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word “spouse” refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

     http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by outfctrl

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    This is a cause of equal rights here, How can anybody justify that?  WHY should homosexuals not be allowed to marry? I'd really like an answer to that. a good one.



    I have nothing against homosexuals marrying.  As long as its the opposite sex.  Who said Homosexuals couldnt marry?  This has been brought up time and time again. 

    Female =        /V

             Male =    8----

    This is the way we are made and this is the way it should stay.....Period

     

    I asked for a good reason sir, not some kind of lame excuse. What you are refering to is sex, Which in fact has nothing to do with marriage at all. You still haven't given a good reason for it, and I'm pretty sure you can't give a real reason. It seems your precious America isn't really the "land of freedom" as you claim it to be hm? Because if a few heterosexuals are against it, then homosexuals can't marry, despite the fact it has zero effect on them.
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