SOE didnt abandon you. You abandoned them.

LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

fauxhall

Im sick of hearing about SWG, just shut up about it, its gone there is nothing you can do about it. Go play WoW, or VG rather then wasting your time complaining.

LakeDaemon

Huh?  Read the sign.  You are in the SWG forum.  YOU go someplace else.

Unknown

Hey Smed, get over it, nobody is coming back to your game.

I'm glad to hear that SWG is finacially stable with the NGE, glad we helped out by cutting down on server usage.

Just worry about your 10k subs and how to keep them ok? Freaking retard.

jrgambit

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

Huh?  Read the sign.  You are in the SWG forum.  YOU go someplace else.

Damn straight

cptbollock

LOL this post is awesome the game is crap and knowbody wants to pay for it....hence the 10k playerbase it's really that simple

Anofalye

See, SoE is not just a financial entreprise, a random production company...it is an ENTERTAINMENT business. There are rules to follow when you're in entertainment, these rules aren't the same as when you are a car manufacturer.

 

SoE panics, SoE shaft it player-base, SoE change everything and every grounds.  If Toyota stop building cars tomorrow and start building planes and only planes, then complains about not selling enough...would they blame peoples who complains that they stop building cars.  They have pre-CU servers, and pre-NGE servers, they CHOOSE to change everything and level down the ground, destroying every achievements players done.

 

A RPG is about progression, you play with the players progressions, you lose everything.  As simple as that.  What did the player who play pre-CU found themselves with?  A tiny part of all their accomplishment.  What did the jedi farmers found themselves with?  What of the peoples who achieve a LOT and found that it is all irrelevant now.  You can't destroy all achievements and expect the players to be paying the bills, they are to be ENTERTAINED, and frankly, the most basic reason why RPGs are the working model is because of the progression...so you have to build around that progression, not to level it to the ground.

 

SoE panics and try bold moves, at the same time they destroy everything their loyal customers have "earned".  Nobody forces SoE to make the CU or the NGE, they did it, because they want MORE.  They RISK everything and they lost.  Now players who are unhappy about this, they could learn a thing or two about what they did wrong, instead of hidding or blaming or whatever they are doing.  SWG is a new game, and some customers are happy with it, whatever you do, don't shaft these new customers, they are paying the bills.

 

I didn't like the design doc pre-CU, and I try the NGE, I didn't like it, too arcade for me.  So I went away.  But when I see someone like you flaming peoples who are rightfully angry, I can't help but think that SoE didn't learn it lesson.  SoE abandon the pre-CU and the CU fans, with new expansions that ruins everything they earn and any progression feeling these players might have gotten.  SoE has a right to do what they want, but they have no right to even disagree openly with upsetted players.  They are an entertainment business, and a clown isn't allowed to disagree openly, ever.

Darkstryder

They never listened when it was good. The bottom line is SWG is rubbish now. So community or no community, if the game sucks I aint gonna play it, its that simple for me. How $OE could'nt make money with 250k+ subs is a mystery, they got greedy, took a gamble with the NGE, as has been said, and lost.

Harafnir

Seriously.. That was the most stupid thread I have read...

So.. Loosing 80% of its costumers because of a change noone wanted is "finacialy more viable" than keeping costumers? Yeah, I can see your business sense there.. Loosing costumers is good.. Keeping them bad.. And if you change a product for the worse and costumers dont buy it any longer, then its the costumers fault? Yeah, that too is an superior sense of business. You go, girl.... Tell santa I said hi.

CaleSentari

Originally posted by fauxhall

Im sick of hearing about SWG, just shut up about it, its gone there is nothing you can do about it. Go play WoW, or VG rather then wasting your time complaining.

You're in a SWG forum.  Even if you just saw this pop up as a "recent thread" you still took the time to click the link.  How about you don't walk into the freezer and then complain that it's cold?

Nai`Neas

I enjoyed my time in SWG, my leaving was coincidental with the changes, my main reason for leaving was it was too much work for crafting. I would spend so many hours per week, moving my harvesters, to get the best resources. It got to be too much for my family, so I decided to drop it. It was a great game.

Unknown

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Originally posted by CaleSentari
Originally posted by fauxhall
Im sick of hearing about SWG, just shut up about it, its gone there is nothing you can do about it. Go play WoW, or VG rather then wasting your time complaining.

You're in a SWG forum.  Even if you just saw this pop up as a "recent thread" you still took the time to click the link.  How about you don't walk into the freezer and then complain that it's cold?

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I think you missed his point.

DeaconX

As someone who played both versions, I can say that the latter is definitely ‘easier’ to get into. But the problem was the fact that the game was changed so unethically that it HURT itself by destroying its own community. There was no vote for it, there was a forced change. Many players worked hard to achieve things… and suddenly all there hard work was made worthless… that doesn’t make anyone feel good. It feels like absolute betrayal because the ‘galaxy’ you believed in was suddenly no longer what it once was. So again, while I understand SOE, I think they did not have the people in mind. They were a dictating government and its people fed up, decided on a civil war. What is NGE is the result of that not-so-silent war.

 

I’m certain there are tones of people who will simply not even give NGE a real shot even if they could like it, were it the first incarnation of the game. But it wasn’t. And those who are hurt are hurt. Damage done.

Trubaduren

If it was finansical, Why have there sub numbers dropped with about, 5000%?

Gahrok

We only abandoned them because they abandoned us first.  If it was a good game people would play it.  No one plays it because it is no longer a good game. 

Distopia

Ok so blame the people not even playing for the short comings of the community who is ? Most of us quit because the community was destroyed , Which is what kept us playing for as long as most of us did (3 years in my case ) in the first place . It was not the community who decided to  throw themselves away for a newer more wowy bunch , looking for shinies and trinkets !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rekrul

Beaten wife syndrome.



It's *NOT* wife's fault, no matter how much she blames herself.



And I don't know about others, but there's no emotional attachment on my part. SOE provides a service. I deemed the changes to this service unacceptable, so I stopped supporting it. That's it.

Nevarion

LakeDaemon your post just made me blink in disbelieve. In some way funny but also very sad. At the end I don't care enough to get involved into a discussion.

Shayde

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

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/breathe



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/fall over



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Blame the victim. that's the stuff!



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/pass out

CaleSentari

Originally posted by nakedone


 

Originally posted by CaleSentari


Originally posted by fauxhall

Im sick of hearing about SWG, just shut up about it, its gone there is nothing you can do about it. Go play WoW, or VG rather then wasting your time complaining.

You're in a SWG forum.  Even if you just saw this pop up as a "recent thread" you still took the time to click the link.  How about you don't walk into the freezer and then complain that it's cold?

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I think you missed his point.

No I didn't but thanks.

I think you missed mine.  If he didn't want to read it he wouldn't have.  Be sad it exists and that people want to play, but if you don't want to read/hear about it just ignore it.

badpuppy1

I abondoned THEM?????

I spent almost two years creating and crafting and overnight they CHANGE the game and i abandoned THEM???

You're a stinking troll.

RIP SWG (pre-cu) you were great and now you're gone.

Tagurit

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. 

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.



(Not Me anymore.  THEY made their bed.  Let THEM sleep in it.)

 

Actually, SOE is NOT trying to succeed.  If they were, they would have reversed that idiotic decision called the NGE.  They just sit there bleeding subs every day.



Does that sound like a company who wants to make money?



Sorry, don't think so. 





In order to make money, they have to have customers who are actually paying for their product.  This logically would entail them having a product that the customer would want to buy.  They obviously do not have that.....



So then logic would dictate that they make a product the customer wants.  However, in their ignorant pride, they can't seem to learn from their mistake(s).

Shayde

What's even funnier is he's blaming "the cabalists".



There IS NO cabal. It's a work of fiction that $OE supposingly believes. Those, like me, who call themselves members of the cabal are just making fun of their sheer lunacy.

Devildog1

I played SWG from just after lunch till last August so about three years! And I find that you say the game is more stable now than it was laughable to put it mildly! There are so many bugs in the new quests it is almost unplayable! They also have completely destroyed the player economy by taking out the Decay on weapons and armour and also making Uber weapons that weaponsmiths can't even come close to making! Now lets move on to them constantly messing around with the abilities of the players toons! I had a Master Spy that was awesome until they descided to destroy him by putting a cooldown timer on Stealth! The one thing that gave the spy even a fighting chance to sruvive in combat because they are not front line fighters like Jedi and Commandos! And you say we abandoned them? Don't get me wrong I'd consider coming back if there were Pre-CU servers set up and they actually "LISTENED" to the players!

monoth

I can only guess the OP is someone fairly new to SWG.

SOE had a stable player base of around 300k-400k players.  It was not until WOW came out and hit the 2 million mark that SOE decided to change SWG, they tried to make it more like WOW in the delusion they could bring in the same amount of money WOW was making.  That was there motivation for the change.   The problem was they didnt even bother to ask the existing player base what they thought about the NGE changes, they just dropped it on them without noticed.   Then Smedly went on TV and said in so many words that the existing player base was a bunch of geeks and losers, and that SOE didnt need them because NGE would bring in a new player base.  They decided there was more money in people who only play 3 months and quit then the ones who stay for years.  Typical Smedly reasoning..

Probably the most stupid thing SOE did was think they could take an existing game and make it into something completly different.  NGE was plagued with bugs and glitches when it was released, worse then when the game first game out.   Then they turned combat into a fast paced nightmare, I was half expecting to hear the theme song from the Benny Hill Show when I first tried out the new combat.   Then they gave the crafters the shaft by making them useless.  They removed all depth of the game and dumb it down to extremes.

This is why nobody is playing SWG anymore.

BlazinBlades

Originally posted by LakeDaemon



SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 
 
I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.
 
First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.
 
SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 
 
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.
 
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
 
YOU
 
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  
 
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
 
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

Excellent post and very true, should have a sticky. Bring it on down now.