I do not disagree with you that SOE is a business, and if subs were falling off they had to do something to counter-act that. I am even willing to stipulate that the "easier to get into, higher content" (your characterization) NGE might have been the right game system to accomplish the goal of counter-acting the flagging subscriptions.
However, what aggravated some of us was not the fact of the NGE, but the manner in which SOE chose to lie about it and spring it on the population. They spent months and months telling us (repeatedly) "the CU is here to stay, period." And the whole time -- literally the whole time, since before the CU was even out -- they already knew the CU was DOA and they were going to go with a new system.
They would have no ire at all from me if they had simply given us honest statements. During the CU, if they had simply said, "We hear you, and are currently working on a new system that will address this," and then had been honest about the upcoming NGE before ToOW came out, I would have no problem with them at all. Mind you, I still wouldn't like the NGE, and still wouldn't play SWG... but... I would not be sitting here (as I am right now) refusing to ever buy or subscribe to another SOE product in perpetuity, if they had just been freaking honest.
But instead, they were deceitful, duplicitous, and vile... and as a result, I won't give them a dime any more. It's not the fact of the NGE to which I object, but the manner in which they went about implementing it.
And I think you'll find that I am far from alone on this.
SOE didn't abandon you. You abandoned them. I'm not trolling. Hear me out. First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere. If you left and found a home then good. For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you. SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion. None of this was personal. The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this. The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content. The only problem is that the community isn't there. Why?
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE. SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat. If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
YOU
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning. The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you. They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric. Thats where the disconnect is now. You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered. Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.
Excellent post and very true, should have a sticky. Bring it on down now.
I crush you in post count , Bring that on down
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The fact is that SOE got greedy when they saw the massive success of WoW. They have been desperate to achieve similar subscription numbers and retake their place as king of the mmorpg hill. Unfortunately they went about it in the wrong way. They completely alienated the loyal base of fans who had stuck with SWG from day one and now, no matter how "successful" the NGE is the community is gone.
That is not the community's fault. The fans of the pre-NGE game were told to get over it and move on and that's what we have done. We are happy spending our time and money in other games but there is no chance of most of us going back to SWG because we've been burned.
I really hope that SWG fails. I also hope that Vanguard and any other game associated with SOE fails because a message has to go out to other companies that you can't just shit all over your customers and expect to be rewarded for it.
The players who pay their salaries have spoken, and their message was:
a drop in subscribers from around 350k to 400k down to maybe 50k to 60k. The game is a ghost town with most of the servers having non-viable populations.
Of course the OP is just trolling, but hey, enjoy your empty dumb-downed game, ok?
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Originally posted by CaleSentari Originally posted by nakedone
Originally posted by CaleSentari
Originally posted by fauxhall Im sick of hearing about SWG, just shut up about it, its gone there is nothing you can do about it. Go play WoW, or VG rather then wasting your time complaining.
You're in a SWG forum. Even if you just saw this pop up as a "recent thread" you still took the time to click the link. How about you don't walk into the freezer and then complain that it's cold?
I think you missed his point.
No I didn't but thanks. I think you missed mine. If he didn't want to read it he wouldn't have. Be sad it exists and that people want to play, but if you don't want to read/hear about it just ignore it.
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Last time I checked we weren't talking to Devs , We were talking to each other . Why be so offensive anyway ? If you can't handle the bashing of your beloved game , Don't visit forums it's as simple as that . It dosen't matter why SOE decided on the NGE , It dosen't matter that people speculate as to why . What does matter is that , it's fun to watch folks like you slither in . Only to throw a tantrum about people not enjoying the precious feces you like to call a game .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Cemoa 1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
I know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
I know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
No I am not trying to say that. I am saying that no one knows what the swg devs are thinking at any given time unless you are working for the company. And I love how that joke of "All 4 of your guys" or whatever gets used so much. If you actually came back on a populated server you would see that there are a lot more people than you think. You just fail to realize that there are other servers out there and your server population isn't the same as others. And sure I will play the EMU, but I won't give up SWG completely. I am surely not going to play the EMU like I do SWG. Their team has too many issues with each other. So when the EMU goes down, or one of their team members quits in a rage once again, I will have something star wars related to fall back on until Mass Effect releases.
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
SOE didn't abandon you. You abandoned them. I'm not trolling. Hear me out. First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere. If you left and found a home then good. For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you. SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion. None of this was personal. The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this. The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content. The only problem is that the community isn't there. Why?
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE. SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat. If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
YOU
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning. The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you. They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric. Thats where the disconnect is now. You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered. Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.
Excellent post and very true, should have a sticky. Bring it on down now.
I crush you in post count , Bring that on down Actually you are incorrect, you have a post count of 1940 over roughly 15 months, I have a post count of 976 over roughly 7 months, you average 129 to 130 posts per month, I average 139 to 140 post per month. Now you also have another post number of 3363 now take that number and combine it with your post count of 1940 you will have a post count of 5303 posts, however you will also have a membership span of roughly 42 months when combining the two together, on average you would have a post count of 126 to 127 posts per month compared to my 139 to 140 posts per month. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
LMAO wonderful post I love it, very witty and funny. As funny and witty as your post is, there is a sad part to it, and that sad part is that your post is very true LMAO. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Actually you are incorrect, you have a post count of 1940 over roughly 15 months, I have a post count of 976 over roughly 7 months, you average 129 to 130 posts per month, I average 139 to 140 post per month. Now you also have another post number of 3363 now take that number and combine it with your post count of 1940 you will have a post count of 5303 posts, however you will also have a membership span of roughly 42 months when combining the two together, on average you would have a post count of 126 to 127 posts per month compared to my 139 to 140 posts per month. Bring it on down now.
Actually I just started posting here again a few days ago , I've been gone since Rlmmo forums launched ,so I lost a few months . The other number is my SWG forum rank and forum reg date :P . So the point was even in all your trolling while I was gone I still crush you in Post count .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Cemoa Originally posted by Splatzor Originally posted by Cemoa 1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
Actually you are incorrect, you have a post count of 1940 over roughly 15 months, I have a post count of 976 over roughly 7 months, you average 129 to 130 posts per month, I average 139 to 140 post per month. Now you also have another post number of 3363 now take that number and combine it with your post count of 1940 you will have a post count of 5303 posts, however you will also have a membership span of roughly 42 months when combining the two together, on average you would have a post count of 126 to 127 posts per month compared to my 139 to 140 posts per month. Bring it on down now.
Actually I just started posting here again a few days ago , I've been gone since Rlmmo forums launched ,so I lost a few months . The other number is my SWG forum rank and forum reg date :P . So the point was even in all your trolling while I was gone I still crush you in Post count . That is not my problem, LMAO. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred. After reading a few of your posts , I'm starting to wish MMORPG.com offered transfers .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ah, Blazing has arrived, so the topic is dead for all future... Noone need another 30 posts from a guy that never has anything to say, just posting complete gibberish to raise his post count. In all his time here, he has not had ONE single constructive or even intelligent post.... *sigh* Waste of DNA
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
where did they go then because Corbantis was dead 3 weeks ago too?
Originally posted by Cemoa Originally posted by nakedone
Originally posted by Cemoa
Originally posted by Splatzor
Originally posted by Cemoa
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong. 2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore: http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aid You must have no idea what the game was pre CU/NGE
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server. No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
So does that mean you have no excuse for Brias' population? What are you trying to say? You don't need to call me names, I'm not impressed, just an explaination is all I ask for not the neat dirty words you learned in middle school.
SWG had 350,000 subscribers which mean $5,250,000.00 a month. After the NGE was released the subscription per word of mouth dropped down to 150,000 subscribers which equals 2,250,000.00 a month. Of coarse the NGE was a mistake. The financial numbers speak for themselves that the new game play doesn't work as planned to build more community which is a shame.
These numbers lead me to believe that the community did not abandon SWG. In fact is evident that SOE and Lucas Arts abandoned the SWG community by forcing a change that was done in secret to the game and released days after an expansion. Is that community? It wasn't even placed on test center! Was that community?
I strongly disagree with you. The fact of the matter is that the buying market has no respect for the way that SWG has been handled. The game has been dumped down and handled very poorly. It has been admitted by SOE at a game conference and on blogs not to make the same mistake by alienating their current fan base. .
A New Hope: SWG fans are still craving and loving the new expertise system which was handled with 100% integrity.
Player Bounty’s- to me was a true win win situation for all players.
The Devs- yes they care
Smedley- has a new view thanks to virgin worlds.com on SWG and the game per the last SOE conference that will lead to some great things for the game
Moving forward- yes they are moving forward and much of the content that was taken out is being added back in such as camps.
Battle droids: are being added to the game with perma death.
Many bugs have been fixed. No doubt about it.
PVP and the GCW have come a long long way since release. My guild plays PVP and mostly PVP. But there are issues that need to be addressed such as major server lag, new content, and the current lack of populated player cities as a purge is much needed.
Closing Note:
We all want SWG to be a good game. We all loved the community that SWG was, is, and can still be. But the fact of the matter is that SOE did not handle the community well with the NGE> but the fact of the matter is that we want SWG to be an intelligent and forthcoming game and that includes its community. We all sincerely want SWG to have a major turn around. But how can it happen when they crapped all over their fan base. But I think that is now changing. The results will be a year from now. Nice thread though. It is always good to discuss these items as adults. Hopefully I can land a star destroyer in Mos Eisley one day! HArrrrr!
Let me point out some historical inaccuracies repeated on this board.
Anyone who played SWG in the late CU period knows that, by then, 200K subs is dead wrong. The game had declined greatly and even more so by the time NGE hit. Most of you are remembering SWGs prime but not the doldrums of the late CU. Is SWG's hayday better than NGE? Of couse. But no one should try to compare SWG's prime with NGE.
NGE was not an arbitrary refit of a perfectly good system purely to mimic WoW. SWG was doomed and you would have all lost your characters anyway if it had folded.Im not exhonorating SOE of what they did. SOE is sqaurely at fault for rolling out the original SWG too soon, too buggy, too complex, too hard to update, whatever. And we all fault SOE for allowing a grossly lopsided economy and lopsided PVP to evolve.
And Im certainly not blaming the players for being pissed off about SOE blowing away 2+ years worth of grinding and character building. Is it betrayal? Yes, in the sense that they created a grinding game and many people payed with the assumption that grinding would yield a powerfer character. For that, and all the reasons above, I dont fault anyone for walking. I did.
But..
In the final analysis, it was a no win situation for SOE and the players. Business needs forcedSOE to either fold up shop, continue on, or revamp the whole game to make it leaner and easier to support. Users get screwed in all three scenarios. If SOE continues on they lose money only to fold up later anyway. If they revamp, they atleast have a game. Either way you disenfranchise all your loyal fan base. I was mad but later decided that I wasnt going to play victim. As the creators of the community, players have to take responsibility at some point.
Clearly many of you just want to go with the flow and hate SOE no matter what. Ill leave you cowards to your own boredom. For those of you who think that maybe the community can be rebuilt regardless of what the game system is like as long as its SWG, then maybe my point of view makes sense to you.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
Name a server then.
I'll resubscribe and create a character there and play around for 1 month. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Hell, I might create a second account, and run Bria in parallel.
But in past two years, whenever I created a character on other servers (pre-cu, cu and NGE), Bria was consistently most populated.
And yes, everyone transferred. *TO* Bria. Because other servers were dead.
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I do not disagree with you that SOE is a business, and if subs were falling off they had to do something to counter-act that. I am even willing to stipulate that the "easier to get into, higher content" (your characterization) NGE might have been the right game system to accomplish the goal of counter-acting the flagging subscriptions.
However, what aggravated some of us was not the fact of the NGE, but the manner in which SOE chose to lie about it and spring it on the population. They spent months and months telling us (repeatedly) "the CU is here to stay, period." And the whole time -- literally the whole time, since before the CU was even out -- they already knew the CU was DOA and they were going to go with a new system.
They would have no ire at all from me if they had simply given us honest statements. During the CU, if they had simply said, "We hear you, and are currently working on a new system that will address this," and then had been honest about the upcoming NGE before ToOW came out, I would have no problem with them at all. Mind you, I still wouldn't like the NGE, and still wouldn't play SWG... but... I would not be sitting here (as I am right now) refusing to ever buy or subscribe to another SOE product in perpetuity, if they had just been freaking honest.
But instead, they were deceitful, duplicitous, and vile... and as a result, I won't give them a dime any more. It's not the fact of the NGE to which I object, but the manner in which they went about implementing it.
And I think you'll find that I am far from alone on this.
C
I crush you in post count , Bring that on down
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That is not the community's fault. The fans of the pre-NGE game were told to get over it and move on and that's what we have done. We are happy spending our time and money in other games but there is no chance of most of us going back to SWG because we've been burned.
I really hope that SWG fails. I also hope that Vanguard and any other game associated with SOE fails because a message has to go out to other companies that you can't just shit all over your customers and expect to be rewarded for it.
The players who pay their salaries have spoken, and their message was:
a drop in subscribers from around 350k to 400k down to maybe 50k to 60k. The game is a ghost town with most of the servers having non-viable populations.
Of course the OP is just trolling, but hey, enjoy your empty dumb-downed game, ok?
1) To everyone who thinks they know everything about why the devs made the NGE: You don't work there, so I am guessing you are probably wrong.
2) To the rest of you who just seem to hate the NGE for no reason anymore:
http://www.swg-crimsonstar.com/images/timeline.jpg
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
I think you missed his point.
No I didn't but thanks.
I think you missed mine. If he didn't want to read it he wouldn't have. Be sad it exists and that people want to play, but if you don't want to read/hear about it just ignore it.
Yeah...you did, thanks.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
Drink more of the OP's Kool-aidI know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
No I am not trying to say that. I am saying that no one knows what the swg devs are thinking at any given time unless you are working for the company. And I love how that joke of "All 4 of your guys" or whatever gets used so much. If you actually came back on a populated server you would see that there are a lot more people than you think. You just fail to realize that there are other servers out there and your server population isn't the same as others. And sure I will play the EMU, but I won't give up SWG completely. I am surely not going to play the EMU like I do SWG. Their team has too many issues with each other. So when the EMU goes down, or one of their team members quits in a rage once again, I will have something star wars related to fall back on until Mass Effect releases.
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
I crush you in post count , Bring that on down
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Actually I just started posting here again a few days ago
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
Actually I just started posting here again a few days ago
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred. After reading a few of your posts , I'm starting to wish MMORPG.com offered transfers .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
where did they go then because Corbantis was dead 3 weeks ago too?
I love how you seem to judge how long people have been playing just by how they post. I have been playing this game since early 2004, meaning that I got a good chunk of pre-cu in my playing time. And of course I was mad when the NGE released, but I'm not anymore. You need to get over it and stop drinking this damn forum's Kool-Aid. I don't get why you just sit here and whine about it all day long, I mean at least post your concerns on the actual forums. The forums are moving so fast no that the mods would be able to catch it for at least a half an hour anyways.
Ok, I played on Bria since day 1. So, what's Brias' excuse for nobody around except 20 v 20 pvp? And don't try to tell us that Bria isn't the most populated server.
No wonder you're so ignorant. Bria's excuse for nobody around is because your server is full of assholes so everyone server transferred.
So does that mean you have no excuse for Brias' population? What are you trying to say? You don't need to call me names, I'm not impressed, just an explaination is all I ask for not the neat dirty words you learned in middle school.
No offense.
SWG had 350,000 subscribers which mean $5,250,000.00 a month. After the NGE was released the subscription per word of mouth dropped down to 150,000 subscribers which equals 2,250,000.00 a month. Of coarse the NGE was a mistake. The financial numbers speak for themselves that the new game play doesn't work as planned to build more community which is a shame.
These numbers lead me to believe that the community did not abandon SWG. In fact is evident that SOE and Lucas Arts abandoned the SWG community by forcing a change that was done in secret to the game and released days after an expansion. Is that community? It wasn't even placed on test center! Was that community?
I strongly disagree with you. The fact of the matter is that the buying market has no respect for the way that SWG has been handled. The game has been dumped down and handled very poorly. It has been admitted by SOE at a game conference and on blogs not to make the same mistake by alienating their current fan base. .
A New Hope:
SWG fans are still craving and loving the new expertise system which was handled with 100% integrity.
Player Bounty’s- to me was a true win win situation for all players.
The Devs- yes they care
Smedley- has a new view thanks to virgin worlds.com on SWG and the game per the last SOE conference that will lead to some great things for the game
Moving forward- yes they are moving forward and much of the content that was taken out is being added back in such as camps.
Battle droids: are being added to the game with perma death.
Many bugs have been fixed. No doubt about it.
PVP and the GCW have come a long long way since release. My guild plays PVP and mostly PVP.
But there are issues that need to be addressed such as major server lag, new content, and the current lack of populated player cities as a purge is much needed.
Closing Note:
We all want SWG to be a good game. We all loved the community that SWG was, is, and can still be. But the fact of the matter is that SOE did not handle the community well with the NGE> but the fact of the matter is that we want SWG to be an intelligent and forthcoming game and that includes its community. We all sincerely want SWG to have a major turn around. But how can it happen when they crapped all over their fan base. But I think that is now changing. The results will be a year from now. Nice thread though. It is always good to discuss these items as adults. Hopefully I can land a star destroyer in Mos Eisley one day! HArrrrr!
Let me point out some historical inaccuracies repeated on this board.
Name a server then.
I'll resubscribe and create a character there and play around for 1 month. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Hell, I might create a second account, and run Bria in parallel.
But in past two years, whenever I created a character on other servers (pre-cu, cu and NGE), Bria was consistently most populated.
And yes, everyone transferred. *TO* Bria. Because other servers were dead.