I did not try till after the change. It did not really impress me so did not play much. Wonder what it would have felt like with the old system. People do have a right to move on if not happy. I feel for anyone who has a game totally re-worked and it is dumbed down. I always enjoy hearing of new concepts coming out for how to do a game (except D&DO because I don't want to play the same thing at least 3 times minimum before it can be considered beaten and then only if got perfect score). Changing a game I am already playing would probably drive me away though. Why was I paying to play if the game is going to change?
Wow. Blaming the collosal failure of the NGE on the community that, as Smed said, voted with their feet.
That's rich.
I am not going to pay to play a game because of the community, per se. I am not going to stick with a development studio that has obviously lost touch with and does not care about its community such as SOE.
- If SOE cared so much for its community, the NGE would have never been dumped on the community like it was
- If SOE cared so much for its community, it would not have pulled a blatant bait and switch with the NGE (announcing the day after the expansion goes live). This is somewhat rectified by the refunds that they returned by anyone that wanted to cancel, but it does NOT excuse their intent.
I can understand the financial aspects. I truly can. I fully understand that SOE is in the business of making money first and foremost.
I left the game and SOE because:
- I will not support a company financial with the business ethics of SOE
- I will not support a company with an obviously skewed moral compass (bait and switch, intentionally misleading its customers)
- I will not support a company that produces a product that I do not like (the NGE), because doing so sends the incorrect message that because I paying for it, I support it
- I will not support a company that has no respect for its community
- I will not pay for a game that is in an obvious alpha/beta state
Anyone that continues to support (pay/play) a company, ANY company -whether its SOE, Blizzard, or even Aerea with their unknown game, in such a manner seriously needs to be beaten with a frickin cluebyfour repeatedly. By people continuing to pay and play for subpar products, you are sending the message that you will continually pay and play for subpar products. What does that mean? It means that you will pay for garbage, therefore the devs will keep shoveling you garbage.
Dev studios may or may not read here. But they don't CARE what you post here. Why? Because people STILL give them money to pump out crap for games. It doesn't matter if you YELL IN CAPS or make the most articulate well written post about the problems with a game, the only voice they listen to is the one from your wallet.
SPEAK FROM YOUR WALLET. THAT IS ALL THEY LISTEN TO.
They asentialy and admitadly said go scratch to the community. We want a new community. Well they got one, although its about 1/10th the community they had lol..
I can only guess the OP is someone fairly new to SWG. SOE had a stable player base of around 300k-400k players. It was not until WOW came out and hit the 2 million mark that SOE decided to change SWG, they tried to make it more like WOW in the delusion they could bring in the same amount of money WOW was making. That was there motivation for the change. The problem was they didnt even bother to ask the existing player base what they thought about the NGE changes, they just dropped it on them without noticed. Then Smedly went on TV and said in so many words that the existing player base was a bunch of geeks and losers, and that SOE didnt need them because NGE would bring in a new player base. They decided there was more money in people who only play 3 months and quit then the ones who stay for years. Typical Smedly reasoning.. Probably the most stupid thing SOE did was think they could take an existing game and make it into something completly different. NGE was plagued with bugs and glitches when it was released, worse then when the game first game out. Then they turned combat into a fast paced nightmare, I was half expecting to hear the theme song from the Benny Hill Show when I first tried out the new combat. Then they gave the crafters the shaft by making them useless. They removed all depth of the game and dumb it down to extremes. This is why nobody is playing SWG anymore.
Thank you
That is exactly what I was going to say. I will add that even though NGE is supposed to be better and bug fixed there are still a lot of non-functioning pre-cu features in the game. For example when I target a player and hit ~ I get a radial menu and option 7 is still TEACH, as if anybody is still teaching languages let alone skills.
Nobody should claim that SWG has been debugged until they remove the last of the non functional Pre-CU leftovers.
The author is right though, SOE didn't abandon us, we abandoned SOE. We abandoned SOE the day they stepped behind us while we were looking down and they began "Servicing our accounts".
There is only us, there is only this. Forget regret, or life is yours to miss. No other road, no other way. No day but today.
Let me point out some historical inaccuracies repeated on this board. By who? You? Anyone who played SWG in the late CU period knows that, by then, 200K subs is dead wrong. The game had declined greatly and even more so by the time NGE hit. I agree, the Combat Dumbdown ran most off, and even I would have left and should have left when the CU went live. The CU destroyed the game I loved and left me with little I liked in the game. I only stayed in it to try to manage the city I created and it's guild. Within a month of the release of the CU, though, so many were leaving because of the CU that there wasn't anything to manage, nor anyone. My guild of over 160 and city of over 190 became a group of maybe 20 or 30 people holding on to.... community. The trouble with that was that the community was built around a great game and people enjoying playing. Now? Now SWG is a game I would maybe play one a week if it were free.... maybe. It just is not worth the time. Most of you are remembering SWGs prime but not the doldrums of the late CU. Is SWG's hayday better than NGE? Of couse. But no one should try to compare SWG's prime with NGE. I have always stated that I would like to be able to play a pre-patch 9 version of SWG and I don't think that you can possibly expect people to forget the great game of the past and just blindly pay to play a game that now sucks without getting a few people dissagree with your view. Hell, I would bet that most people don't think like you at all. You see, we left. We come together to speak about topics and situations we can relate to as a group because we have a shared experience. That you do not understand us or agree with us means little or nothing to me at least. That you point your finger at us and call us cowards because we won't play in your sand box? Go fuck yourself. It doesn't work that way. You have invited, the invitation was declined, now run along and find people your own age to make mud pies with. NGE was not an arbitrary refit of a perfectly good system purely to mimic WoW. SWG was doomed and you would have all lost your characters anyway if it had folded.Im not exhonorating SOE of what they did. SOE is sqaurely at fault ................ [edited to remove a lot of crap that doesn't matter anyway, more crap to come] .....Clearly many of you just want to go with the flow and hate SOE no matter what. Ill leave you cowards to your own boredom. For those of you who think that maybe the community can be rebuilt regardless of what the game system is like as long as its SWG, then maybe my point of view makes sense to you. So you are trying to be like Abraham and lead the lost people to paradise...... how touching. Well Abraham, my feelings for you no words can tell,
Except for maybe "Go to hell."
"SWG was a world, now it's just a game" -adamrk-
"When the game was good, you didn't have to ask where the population was, because it was everywhere. When the game was good you didn't have to ask which server had population, because they all did. When the game was good you didn't have to beg friends to give it a try, because they were already playing. " - Salty Pete
That is exactly what I was going to say. I will add that even though NGE is supposed to be better and bug fixed there are still a lot of non-functioning pre-cu features in the game. For example when I target a player and hit ~ I get a radial menu and option 7 is still TEACH, as if anybody is still teaching languages let alone skills.
Of course those pre-CU features(and bugs) are still showing up in the game. In case you were not aware of it, there is no "new game system". The engine running things is still the same pre-CU engine. The devs just put a new interface on top of a translation layer, and strapped that on top of the old engine. The translation interface turns the commands of the new UI into the calls that the engine understands, and then converts the output results back to the new UI. This is a big part of why NGE is so horrendously laggy, despite operating for a population that has dropped by an order of magnitude.
Where are you getting all his from? Translation layers? I'll agree with you on one thing, probably all the old code is still in there somewhere. It's probably all a spagetti mess.
Just to clarify, I agree with the OP. You all need to get your heads out of your asses and see that your beloved pre-cu isn't coming back and the devs don't give a shit about what you think because you don't even play the game anymore.
I know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
No I am not trying to say that. I am saying that no one knows what the swg devs are thinking at any given time unless you are working for the company. And I love how that joke of "All 4 of your guys" or whatever gets used so much. If you actually came back on a populated server you would see that there are a lot more people than you think. You just fail to realize that there are other servers out there and your server population isn't the same as others. And sure I will play the EMU, but I won't give up SWG completely. I am surely not going to play the EMU like I do SWG. Their team has too many issues with each other. So when the EMU goes down, or one of their team members quits in a rage once again, I will have something star wars related to fall back on until Mass Effect releases.
What are you doing here, this forum is here for us. Go play fanboi in the official forums. To your comments, 1. The only viable server to play on is Bria and that is even light compared to pre-cu and cu numbers(trust me I know, I've checked) 2. Please don't play the EMU, I say this because I don't blame SOE and LA for the CU and NGE......I blame players like you. Players like you let yourself be led around by the nose and trusted that SOE and LA would make the right decisions. Players like you sat on the sidelines and reported us to the CSR's when hundreds of us were protesting the CU and NGE in Theed, maybe if players like you would have got off the sidelines and joined us things may have been different. Players lie you continue to bend over and pay SOE for an incomplete, poorly run game just because it has Star Wars in the title thus sending the message to SOE and other companies that if you have a powerfull IP you can treat you customer base like shit and get away with it. 3. We didn't destroy the SWG community, veterans like myself who were the true heart of the community left this game and let the riff raff like yourself to your carebear game:)
In conclusion......................OMGZ you just got WTFBBQPWNT lol
[url=www.angry-gamers.net][sigpic] By katanomega at 2009-03-11[/sigpic][/url]
The op says soe did the nge changes because they weren't making money. And you think they're making money now with a meager population because almost everyone left?
Please, get it right before coming here to talk crazy. They gambled and they lost, case closed. Galaxies is a failure due to these changes and nothing anyone says to the contrary is true.
First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere. If you left and found a home then good. For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.
SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion. None of this was personal. The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this. The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content. The only problem is that the community isn't there. Why?
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE. SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat. If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
YOU
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning. The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you. They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric. Thats where the disconnect is now. You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered. Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.
They bascially said with the nge that they weren't happy with the player base they had and went out to look for another. Also, soe pulled a bait and switch with the nge and the expansion. They made all kinds of promises before like a ranger revamp and specific items for creature handlers, 2 professions they knew would no longer exist. Sorry, any business that blatantly lies to me and other customers doesn't get my business again, no matter how many times they try and "apologize". Theres a garage where I live that does crappy work and has treated people I know very poorly. Think I should go there to get my car fixed? Would you? Same thing applies to soe. I can be more vigilant with the money I spend on entertainment because theres lots of things that entertain me and none of them are important enough to compromise my principles over.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I cant beleave my eyes!!!! soe didnt abandon use?? who in the hell told the big wigs at soe that we wanted swg changed??????????? I paid for swg and paid monthly for 2 years and then THEY decide they wanted to change the entire game without asking me or 500,000 other people???? thats absolute bull crap!! If i was opra i would sue!!!
OP you are correct to an extent. When SOE turned SWG into a game I would have never bought I did leave them. They didn't leave me.. you are in fact correct I did leave.
However, I can't really see how someone like me could be part of the current problem with this game.. because I refuse to play/pay for it.
I don't do level/class based games... they are fundementally flawed as an MMO design. That would be an entirely different discussion but its why I don't play them.
*I* came to SWG because... Raph Koster who I knew as Designer Dragon at that time. Had worked on Ultima Online... which obviously was a non class.. non level based game (amazing I know).
Even if the NGE had worked perfectly.. had no bugs.. etc etc
Its just not a game I would have ever paid for.
So while you are correct... that *I* did leave SOE... you are entirely incorrect that the current state of the game has anything to do with me. Unless you want to blame me or people like me for the problems of all the other level/class based game that have an almost non existent player base.
*closing statement*
In the past I got caught up in many discussions about various aspects of who did what.. or other things that didn't matter. Trying to apply blame or outrage...
The most simple answer is.. Even if the current game was perfect (for a level/class based game) I would have never paid for it.
The OP may or may not be a troll.. but they are at least half correct in their post (imho). The other half just isn't even close.
While what happened to SWG sucked it cannot be pinned solely on SOE, in fact they're shouldering the blame when the real blame lies with Lucas Arts. They're the ones that wanted SWG changed for the release of the new star wars movies and they're the ones who wanted the iconic system...in fact check out places that still sell SWG the box says "Lucas Art's Star Wars Galaxies". Nothing can be majorily changed in the game without their approval first so while SOE may not have done a great job in implementing changes the origional change stems from ordeers of Lucas Arts Studios solely
I am not one of those people who you are referring to, but I still disagree. I have given the recent SWG a shot about a month or two ago for two months and all I could say is I was not pleased. Here is why.
* The community wasn't my type of gamers. A lot were PvP trash talkers, almost all were loot centric, a lot were anti-RP, and most did not show respect to each other. Manners and common decency was something the old SWG had. So the game failed in that aspect right off. Plus, people didn't want to group since they didn't have to. Any time I would try to organize a group, just for fun, people would reply with "that stuff is soloable." I didn't have that problem before the NGE.
* The game is uninteresting now. Before, being able to mix and match Professions and skills kept me interested and immersed in the world...all the while working towards becoming a Jedi. Now, I am limited to 9 professions, which I can't mix with each other and the skills are very limited and the expertise system isn't that great at all. The so called extra content is completely boring and unimaginitive. The Legacy quests especially has you running back and forth doing stuff that could have been condensed into one large quest. You did more running back and forth than killing or problem solving. In the past, just getting together with friends and hunting whatever was viable xp. In the new SWG, only questing is viable.
* Each of us has a favorite profession or class that we would quit the game if taken away, since that is one of our sole reasons of playing. Well mine is Jedi. They trivialized getting Jedi for one, which I could handle if the new Jedi were interesting. The skills and force powers you have are very limited unlike the Pre-NGE version. As a Jedi, I want specialized content so I can immerse myself into the game. I want there to be a difference between the light and dark side and I want consequences in-game for people who use powers that are uncharacteristic for that alignment to be using. I want a whole slew of force powers and saber styles and skills. Not just a few. I want end game content especially designed to keep me immersed in the game as a Jedi. The GCW has nothing to do with Jedi and Jedi should have their own war between each other.
* Viable alternatives. First off, Jedi don't need special lightsaber crystals, because that just makes people look the same with the same colored crystal. It also prevents those who want to use a double-bladed lightsaber and be viable from using them. There are too few robes and robes shouldn't be your defense to begin with. Cloaks are ugly as hell and I hate having to get the JMC to be competitive. I want to be able to wear a Jedi Knights Robe and be competitive or one of the robes Elder Jedi get. If Jedi had innate armor, this wouldn't be an issue.
* Things depend too much on what stats your clothes have, which limit you in appearance choices. It is a pain to get a full set of maxed out statted clothes to be able to have a wardrobe like you could Pre-NGE. The only apparrel that should have numbers attached to it is armor and that is because all armor is not created equal and armor should provide protection over normal clothing. The only numbers armor should have attached to it is the amount of armor protection it provides. Nothing else. This isn't a fantasy game after all. Plus, Star Wars has been around for almost 30 yrs and has pre-established canon. No where in canon is clothing said to have bonus to your health or anything like that. Nor does canon state that Jedi clothing is where his defense comes from.
So as you can see, this game is not for me and I am willing to bet others can come up with other reasons why not to play that the current SWG game cannot offer us at the moment. Now if they fixed those problems, I would return. But until then, I don't need people like you acting like the game is better or the same as before when I just listed several reasons why I don't like it.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
i spend money to someone every month for a game and in exchange the game is hosted on a server , bugs get fixed and the game get improves ( for example : balancing )
what happened ?
i have spend my money every month and in exchange the game i payed for was replaced by a different game , a game i never asked for , never wanted to have or to play , a game for wich i was fooled to pay the development
yes swg is not just a game, it is a business
the problem , the op is not able to see, is that one of the business partners betrayed the other one
There's only one thing I have to say to posts like this in general....... LOL
Sorry, but I'm sick of having to explain again and again about why I don't listen to idiots who tell me what I want to think or believe happens everywhere I go, I'm starting to get sick of people who try to state their arguments or opinions as facts or try to end an argument with philosophical bullshit or smart ass one liner comments instead of just backing out the normal way, all these kind of posts I see here are just sodding egoism, that's all I see it as...
I read the OP's post, frankly I don't think that this person has done the research, it wasn't us 'SOE haters' that abandoned the community, the community abandoned the GAME it was a bloody mass exodus and I lost quite a few of my friends and people who I enjoyed roleplaying with in the process, read up on Wikipedia and other articles about SWG, they brought in the changes without barely a word and the NGE was developed in a measly seven months and SOE just said like spoilt children "We're not changing it back, it's final" consumers generally just will not swing that way.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Ginaz, necroing trash is not recycling....it is necroing trash :P
"Hurray, finally a game where I can fulfill my lifelong dream of taking emotionally dead women and finding the most financially viable means to exploit their bodies with the ultimate goal of making them Hugh Hefner's personal furniture."
The first time I read this it is a p.o.s. that put the blame on the community/player/customers instead of SOE. Now I read it, and it is still utter p.o.s. that is not true.
Originally posted by LakeDaemon
SOE didn't abandon you. You abandoned them. Wrong, SOE did abandon us, by pushing NGE to live and think they can find a mythical group of "Star Wars fans" that can replace us.
I'm not trolling. Hear me out.
First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere. If you left and found a home then good. For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.
SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion. None of this was personal. (When they care more about profit instead of customers, they make it personal to the loyal customers who had faith in SOE to do what they've said - Revamp of different professions)The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. (Do you work in the MMO industry? How would you know that "SWG couldn't be maintained as financially viable business"? You are making assumption, and not everyone agrees with you.)I don't know how much more clear they can be on this. The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content. (Again, this is purely opinion. I did return a few time, and found the NGE is still laggy, buggy, and no content (I can give it to you that the new players have it easier to get into, but that's just it.))The only problem is that the community isn't there. Why?
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community. (We didn't abandoned the community. It was destroyed right before our very eyes.)
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE. SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat. If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
YOU
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning. The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you. They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric. Thats where the disconnect is now. You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
(I crossed out because I don't care to read crap an idiot wrote. If you are talking about the whiners, everyone hated them. But if you count loyal customers as the "whiners", you are just an idiot. I kept playing SWG through CU (and whatever controversies that surrounded the CU). I even gave NGE a month or so to see how it would turn out. But all I see is the veterans leaving, and I see my friend list of 100 went from 70 people on (Pre-CU), to about 30 (CU), and down to single digit (5 - 7 in NGE). Did the game become better? if you're talking about the present state, it might be better than when the NGE first came out, but the community is not there anymore. Only a few have stayed even through NGE, but the rest have left.)
I've said this before and Ill say it again. It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered. Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
(It's true that even in Pre-CU the community was great, but the community was build on the love for Star Wars, and also the system that SWG Pre-CU had to offer. You can't have the same community when you destroy the framework it exist in. I gave it a shot, more than a few time, but I don't think the community will ever be the same. Heck, most of the people that I know have left due to NGE. I have like only know three people who are still playing it, and that's just because teh game is Star Wars.)
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution. (What solution? By making NGE look and feel more like WoW? You think that can "save" SWG? Until SOE truly understand how much they've done for greed and are actually making amend to the ones they've wronged, there will always be the "SOE-hating". It is NOT the SOE-hating crowd's fautl that SOE did something that can and is considered as a stupid business move, it's their own damn fault. )
Ok, now that's settled, please let this idiotic thread die.....
First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere. If you left and found a home then good. For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.
SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion. None of this was personal. The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this. The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content. The only problem is that the community isn't there. Why?
Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.
Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE. SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat. If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..
YOU
because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning. The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you. They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric. Thats where the disconnect is now. You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered. Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.
I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.
Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.
Wow, I don't know what to say. That may be the dumbest theory I've read here...
Seriously, bashing former players in a 'refugee' forum is dumb enough, but to blame them for the product is truely idiotic. Just wow...
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To the OP:
LOL!!!!
Wow. Blaming the collosal failure of the NGE on the community that, as Smed said, voted with their feet.
That's rich.
I am not going to pay to play a game because of the community, per se. I am not going to stick with a development studio that has obviously lost touch with and does not care about its community such as SOE.
- If SOE cared so much for its community, the NGE would have never been dumped on the community like it was
- If SOE cared so much for its community, it would not have pulled a blatant bait and switch with the NGE (announcing the day after the expansion goes live). This is somewhat rectified by the refunds that they returned by anyone that wanted to cancel, but it does NOT excuse their intent.
I can understand the financial aspects. I truly can. I fully understand that SOE is in the business of making money first and foremost.
I left the game and SOE because:
- I will not support a company financial with the business ethics of SOE
- I will not support a company with an obviously skewed moral compass (bait and switch, intentionally misleading its customers)
- I will not support a company that produces a product that I do not like (the NGE), because doing so sends the incorrect message that because I paying for it, I support it
- I will not support a company that has no respect for its community
- I will not pay for a game that is in an obvious alpha/beta state
Anyone that continues to support (pay/play) a company, ANY company -whether its SOE, Blizzard, or even Aerea with their unknown game, in such a manner seriously needs to be beaten with a frickin cluebyfour repeatedly. By people continuing to pay and play for subpar products, you are sending the message that you will continually pay and play for subpar products. What does that mean? It means that you will pay for garbage, therefore the devs will keep shoveling you garbage.
Dev studios may or may not read here. But they don't CARE what you post here. Why? Because people STILL give them money to pump out crap for games. It doesn't matter if you YELL IN CAPS or make the most articulate well written post about the problems with a game, the only voice they listen to is the one from your wallet.
SPEAK FROM YOUR WALLET. THAT IS ALL THEY LISTEN TO.
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Thank you
That is exactly what I was going to say. I will add that even though NGE is supposed to be better and bug fixed there are still a lot of non-functioning pre-cu features in the game. For example when I target a player and hit ~ I get a radial menu and option 7 is still TEACH, as if anybody is still teaching languages let alone skills.
Nobody should claim that SWG has been debugged until they remove the last of the non functional Pre-CU leftovers.
The author is right though, SOE didn't abandon us, we abandoned SOE. We abandoned SOE the day they stepped behind us while we were looking down and they began "Servicing our accounts".
There is only us, there is only this.
Forget regret, or life is yours to miss.
No other road, no other way.
No day but today.
"SWG was a world, now it's just a game" -adamrk-
"When the game was good, you didn't have to ask where the population was, because it was everywhere. When the game was good you didn't have to ask which server had population, because they all did. When the game was good you didn't have to beg friends to give it a try, because they were already playing. " - Salty Pete
SWG Team Mtg.
I know what you're trying to say here. If we come back we can help fix the problems with SWG right?
Well guess what sport? We tried this already. Do you think we just said, oh they're changing the game, let's cancel? Hell no. We fought the NGE (cu too) and lost, then left.
I'm glad you're a simpleton. You know, a moron? NGE was made for you. It was too hard for you simpletons and you got your way. Now all 4 of you can play together.
And just to further correct you, precu IS coming back. Just not ran by SOE. I'm sure even you morons will try it out, even SOE employees.
No I am not trying to say that. I am saying that no one knows what the swg devs are thinking at any given time unless you are working for the company. And I love how that joke of "All 4 of your guys" or whatever gets used so much. If you actually came back on a populated server you would see that there are a lot more people than you think. You just fail to realize that there are other servers out there and your server population isn't the same as others. And sure I will play the EMU, but I won't give up SWG completely. I am surely not going to play the EMU like I do SWG. Their team has too many issues with each other. So when the EMU goes down, or one of their team members quits in a rage once again, I will have something star wars related to fall back on until Mass Effect releases.
What are you doing here, this forum is here for us. Go play fanboi in the official forums. To your comments, 1. The only viable server to play on is Bria and that is even light compared to pre-cu and cu numbers(trust me I know, I've checked) 2. Please don't play the EMU, I say this because I don't blame SOE and LA for the CU and NGE......I blame players like you. Players like you let yourself be led around by the nose and trusted that SOE and LA would make the right decisions. Players like you sat on the sidelines and reported us to the CSR's when hundreds of us were protesting the CU and NGE in Theed, maybe if players like you would have got off the sidelines and joined us things may have been different. Players lie you continue to bend over and pay SOE for an incomplete, poorly run game just because it has Star Wars in the title thus sending the message to SOE and other companies that if you have a powerfull IP you can treat you customer base like shit and get away with it. 3. We didn't destroy the SWG community, veterans like myself who were the true heart of the community left this game and let the riff raff like yourself to your carebear game:)
In conclusion......................OMGZ you just got WTFBBQPWNT lol
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HELLOOOO!!!!!
The op says soe did the nge changes because they weren't making money. And you think they're making money now with a meager population because almost everyone left?
Please, get it right before coming here to talk crazy. They gambled and they lost, case closed. Galaxies is a failure due to these changes and nothing anyone says to the contrary is true.
'nuff said.
They bascially said with the nge that they weren't happy with the player base they had and went out to look for another. Also, soe pulled a bait and switch with the nge and the expansion. They made all kinds of promises before like a ranger revamp and specific items for creature handlers, 2 professions they knew would no longer exist. Sorry, any business that blatantly lies to me and other customers doesn't get my business again, no matter how many times they try and "apologize". Theres a garage where I live that does crappy work and has treated people I know very poorly. Think I should go there to get my car fixed? Would you? Same thing applies to soe. I can be more vigilant with the money I spend on entertainment because theres lots of things that entertain me and none of them are important enough to compromise my principles over.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I cant beleave my eyes!!!! soe didnt abandon use?? who in the hell told the big wigs at soe that we wanted swg changed??????????? I paid for swg and paid monthly for 2 years and then THEY decide they wanted to change the entire game without asking me or 500,000 other people???? thats absolute bull crap!! If i was opra i would sue!!!
I could say a lot of things but I guess..
OP you are correct to an extent. When SOE turned SWG into a game I would have never bought I did leave them. They didn't leave me.. you are in fact correct I did leave.
However, I can't really see how someone like me could be part of the current problem with this game.. because I refuse to play/pay for it.
I don't do level/class based games... they are fundementally flawed as an MMO design. That would be an entirely different discussion but its why I don't play them.
*I* came to SWG because... Raph Koster who I knew as Designer Dragon at that time. Had worked on Ultima Online... which obviously was a non class.. non level based game (amazing I know).
Even if the NGE had worked perfectly.. had no bugs.. etc etc
Its just not a game I would have ever paid for.
So while you are correct... that *I* did leave SOE... you are entirely incorrect that the current state of the game has anything to do with me. Unless you want to blame me or people like me for the problems of all the other level/class based game that have an almost non existent player base.
*closing statement*
In the past I got caught up in many discussions about various aspects of who did what.. or other things that didn't matter. Trying to apply blame or outrage...
The most simple answer is.. Even if the current game was perfect (for a level/class based game) I would have never paid for it.
The OP may or may not be a troll.. but they are at least half correct in their post (imho). The other half just isn't even close.
While what happened to SWG sucked it cannot be pinned solely on SOE, in fact they're shouldering the blame when the real blame lies with Lucas Arts. They're the ones that wanted SWG changed for the release of the new star wars movies and they're the ones who wanted the iconic system...in fact check out places that still sell SWG the box says "Lucas Art's Star Wars Galaxies". Nothing can be majorily changed in the game without their approval first so while SOE may not have done a great job in implementing changes the origional change stems from ordeers of Lucas Arts Studios solely
I am not one of those people who you are referring to, but I still disagree. I have given the recent SWG a shot about a month or two ago for two months and all I could say is I was not pleased. Here is why.
* The community wasn't my type of gamers. A lot were PvP trash talkers, almost all were loot centric, a lot were anti-RP, and most did not show respect to each other. Manners and common decency was something the old SWG had. So the game failed in that aspect right off. Plus, people didn't want to group since they didn't have to. Any time I would try to organize a group, just for fun, people would reply with "that stuff is soloable." I didn't have that problem before the NGE.
* The game is uninteresting now. Before, being able to mix and match Professions and skills kept me interested and immersed in the world...all the while working towards becoming a Jedi. Now, I am limited to 9 professions, which I can't mix with each other and the skills are very limited and the expertise system isn't that great at all. The so called extra content is completely boring and unimaginitive. The Legacy quests especially has you running back and forth doing stuff that could have been condensed into one large quest. You did more running back and forth than killing or problem solving. In the past, just getting together with friends and hunting whatever was viable xp. In the new SWG, only questing is viable.
* Each of us has a favorite profession or class that we would quit the game if taken away, since that is one of our sole reasons of playing. Well mine is Jedi. They trivialized getting Jedi for one, which I could handle if the new Jedi were interesting. The skills and force powers you have are very limited unlike the Pre-NGE version. As a Jedi, I want specialized content so I can immerse myself into the game. I want there to be a difference between the light and dark side and I want consequences in-game for people who use powers that are uncharacteristic for that alignment to be using. I want a whole slew of force powers and saber styles and skills. Not just a few. I want end game content especially designed to keep me immersed in the game as a Jedi. The GCW has nothing to do with Jedi and Jedi should have their own war between each other.
* Viable alternatives. First off, Jedi don't need special lightsaber crystals, because that just makes people look the same with the same colored crystal. It also prevents those who want to use a double-bladed lightsaber and be viable from using them. There are too few robes and robes shouldn't be your defense to begin with. Cloaks are ugly as hell and I hate having to get the JMC to be competitive. I want to be able to wear a Jedi Knights Robe and be competitive or one of the robes Elder Jedi get. If Jedi had innate armor, this wouldn't be an issue.
* Things depend too much on what stats your clothes have, which limit you in appearance choices. It is a pain to get a full set of maxed out statted clothes to be able to have a wardrobe like you could Pre-NGE. The only apparrel that should have numbers attached to it is armor and that is because all armor is not created equal and armor should provide protection over normal clothing. The only numbers armor should have attached to it is the amount of armor protection it provides. Nothing else. This isn't a fantasy game after all. Plus, Star Wars has been around for almost 30 yrs and has pre-established canon. No where in canon is clothing said to have bonus to your health or anything like that. Nor does canon state that Jedi clothing is where his defense comes from.
So as you can see, this game is not for me and I am willing to bet others can come up with other reasons why not to play that the current SWG game cannot offer us at the moment. Now if they fixed those problems, I would return. But until then, I don't need people like you acting like the game is better or the same as before when I just listed several reasons why I don't like it.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
In Soviet Russia, YOU screw SOE!
Was SWG supposed to die last year? Just checking. Thanks!
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nice arguments here .. no i did not read them all
simple fact is : sony betrayed me
the pay 2 play deal is a realy simple one
i spend money to someone every month for a game and in exchange the game is hosted on a server , bugs get fixed and the game get improves ( for example : balancing )
what happened ?
i have spend my money every month and in exchange the game i payed for was replaced by a different game , a game i never asked for , never wanted to have or to play , a game for wich i was fooled to pay the development
yes swg is not just a game, it is a business
the problem , the op is not able to see, is that one of the business partners betrayed the other one
Eventho i don't agree with the OP, he sure has 1 point, SOE IS a business. That bet on a change and lost, fair game.
Now to all those people telling they know the numbers becuz they checked and inventing customer numbers: SOE NEVER handed numbers from SWG out.
I got a few logs from back then talking to ppl at SOE and in April 2005, there were 150k accounts subscribed to SWG.
that was before CU, just after it dropped to something like 80k, more or less i have no exact numbers, and NGE killed most of the rest.
Today, people go back to SWG, mostly cuz there's nothing else to play, but it sure never will go back to what it used to be.
Community or not, SWG is dead
, meet you all in AoC 
There's only one thing I have to say to posts like this in general....... LOL
Sorry, but I'm sick of having to explain again and again about why I don't listen to idiots who tell me what I want to think or believe happens everywhere I go, I'm starting to get sick of people who try to state their arguments or opinions as facts or try to end an argument with philosophical bullshit or smart ass one liner comments instead of just backing out the normal way, all these kind of posts I see here are just sodding egoism, that's all I see it as...
I read the OP's post, frankly I don't think that this person has done the research, it wasn't us 'SOE haters' that abandoned the community, the community abandoned the GAME it was a bloody mass exodus and I lost quite a few of my friends and people who I enjoyed roleplaying with in the process, read up on Wikipedia and other articles about SWG, they brought in the changes without barely a word and the NGE was developed in a measly seven months and SOE just said like spoilt children "We're not changing it back, it's final" consumers generally just will not swing that way.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Ginaz, necroing trash is not recycling....it is necroing trash :P
"Hurray, finally a game where I can fulfill my lifelong dream of taking emotionally dead women and finding the most financially viable means to exploit their bodies with the ultimate goal of making them Hugh Hefner's personal furniture."
Seriously, who brought this thread back to life?
As to the OP:
The first time I read this it is a p.o.s. that put the blame on the community/player/customers instead of SOE. Now I read it, and it is still utter p.o.s. that is not true.
Ok, now that's settled, please let this idiotic thread die.....
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
Lol Sorry didn't realize this was from back in Feb. I saw a few 7's in the last posts date and thought it was this month.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Wow, I don't know what to say. That may be the dumbest theory I've read here...
Seriously, bashing former players in a 'refugee' forum is dumb enough, but to blame them for the product is truely idiotic. Just wow...
"It's your fault for not liking to eat $#!& !!!"
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Hey, no worries... I think I missed this one before... it's worth noting by it's sheer stupidity...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!