Well, to address your question, Fold or Launch. I would say Fold. Mythic folded their Imperium Rome game when it became clear it was not going to succeed. Microsoft folded their Mythica (no relation) game. Someone folded Wish. Lots of MMORPGs that looked like they were not going to play out have been folded. Why should V:SoH been any different (other than SoE was involved and could force a release)? On the other hand, why only those two choices.
Perhaps they could have found backers that would not have forced an early release.
That is the option I would have prefered.
After five years and $30 million dollars (the figure still blows my mind) they should have given up. If they couldn't get a game out with that amount of money in that amount of time they shouldn't be putting a game out at all.
The game should have never been launched and the company should have folded.
Ill go even farther.
NONE of the people who worked for that company should ever work for a MMO again.
NEVER.
Now some will say that not all the people that worked for that company are responsible.I disagree.They may choose to hide behind legal agreements saying they couldnt talk,that they cant talk now, etc..
But that doesnt cut any ice with me.Its just another way in which bad companies (and people)can hide their responsibility.BUT make NO mistake, they (ALL the people in the company) bear some of responsibility.
And letting them move to yet another company and do the same crap all over again just isnt acceptable.
Someday the MMO industry as a whole will realize this, and stop letting failure after failure occur with the same people time after time.Someday they do a major house cleaning and the industry as whole will be better for it.
People like Brad can still ask for your money ,but from other industries.They done enough harm to this one already.
Heck, like ive said many times over many years, they'd make great "front" men for any number of industries that work off of confidence rather than competence.
You know, like used car sales,tobbacco companies, politics,advertising,religion,etc....
Brad would work out very well in any of those,and he could still find ways to ask all of you to give him money.
Which Brad needs very much.AND he did say hes sorry. He did.Really.
Well, to address your question, Fold or Launch. I would say Fold. Mythic folded their Imperium Rome game when it became clear it was not going to succeed. Microsoft folded their Mythica (no relation) game. Someone folded Wish. Lots of MMORPGs that looked like they were not going to play out have been folded. Why should V:SoH been any different (other than SoE was involved and could force a release)? On the other hand, why only those two choices.
Perhaps they could have found backers that would not have forced an early release.
That is the option I would have prefered.
Ultima Online sequels were cancelled twice, too.
Thing is, Origin, Mythic, Microsoft (whatever internal studio that was developing Mythica), they were all companies reaping revenue from elsewhere and could survive cancellation.
You brought up Wish and it's cancellation...well, where's Mutable Realms nowadays? I'm sure that's what Brad didn't want to happen to Sigil.
The ethical thing to do would be to of course cancel a game rather than release it and encourage consumers to spend hundreds of dollars on PC upgrades for subpar performance. Brad was just looking to save his own ass though, not that it wasn't valiant to do as much for 100+ employees. It's just sad trusting consumers had to be the victim.
There's just too much to think about and give opinions on when you think about Sigil's management decisions as a whole. The whole concept of Vanguard was kind of stupid for a startup company with nothing to bank on except a 'Vision'. They should've started with a less ambitious MMO and paid for a real Vanguard as envisioned some time afterwards. God knows with the 5 years they spent on Vanguard they could have already had a reasonable MMO out and have been developing a better Vanguard now.
After five years and $30 million dollars (the figure still blows my mind) they should have given up. If they couldn't get a game out with that amount of money in that amount of time they shouldn't be putting a game out at all.
Perhaps Brad was in a situation where folding wasn't an option. I am not sure where all of that 30mil funding came from, but my guess is that the folks handing over that cash were expecting a return, success or flop.
Keep buying those Collector Editions! If you don't, Brad may be forced to sell his fancy sports car
so he is basicaly saying all performance issues are player pc related and that everyone that has issues with performance just needs to buy a new pc. well well well....
I read this the EXACT same way you did.
Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole.
so he is basicaly saying all performance issues are player pc related and that everyone that has issues with performance just needs to buy a new pc. well well well....
I read this the EXACT same way you did.
Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole.lol
No matter what the man post, people will say is full of shit.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
There's plenty of things he says in his 20 paragraph posts that people don't point out. No need to get angste over just a few sentences here and there.
No matter what the man post, people will say is full of shit.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
There's plenty of things he says in his 20 paragraph posts that people don't point out. No need to get angste over just a few sentences here and there.
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea.
No matter what the man post, people will say is full of shit.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
There's plenty of things he says in his 20 paragraph posts that people don't point out. No need to get angste over just a few sentences here and there.
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you.
No matter what the man post, people will say is full of shit.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
There's plenty of things he says in his 20 paragraph posts that people don't point out. No need to get angste over just a few sentences here and there.
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you. If that kind of stuff was "getting" to me, i would not post here.
No matter what the man post, people will say is full of shit.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
There's plenty of things he says in his 20 paragraph posts that people don't point out. No need to get angste over just a few sentences here and there.
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you. If that kind of stuff was "getting" to me, i would not post here. But aren't you posting because it does "get" to you, Matraque?
Otherwise, what's the point of being on the defensive? It's not like you're posting about any of your personal concerns; as other people are actually legitimately doing while you take it upon yourself to question them all the time.
Seems to me like it's getting to you. I suggest you stop letting it do so, then you'd be able to passively browse these boards and post only when a concern of yours arises; instead of when everyone else's concerns but your own arise.
so he is basicaly saying all performance issues are player pc related and that everyone that has issues with performance just needs to buy a new pc. well well well....
I read this the EXACT same way you did.
Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole. It's funny that more people don't get enraged over the upgrade comment. If you read the boards you can clearly see that top end machines are getting marginal performance. Here's my take on that comment:
Unhappy with the game you spent $50 on? Upgrade your system.
Unhappy that the game won't run like you thought after a major upgrade? Now your out another $1,000 or so.
So it's not enough to be out that initial $50, if you really like the game then maybe you just might buy those upgrades and discover it really was not you. When I see people complaining about performance on rigs with duel SLI setups, 4 gigs of ram and Raptor drives, I know I'm out of my league with the PC I bought 6 months ago.
If I really enjoy a game and see certain configurations that are not hugely priced, I don't mind spending $500 in the future to make it play like I want it to play. I've spent thousands over the course of the years to be able to play PC Games both MMoG and Standalone; however that was after I was able to do all the basic stuff on a recommended system. Sure I had to cut back on settings and put up with some extra lag, but after finding how much I enjoyed the game, the next upgrades I bought were to make it better, not to make it run.
If the recommended specifications give you 5-15 fps on high performance mode then they should not be recommended. I guess that's the point of contention with many of the posters. If your saying no one would buy the game if you put down what it really takes to run it in an "enjoyable" atmosphere; then your really saying we deceived you into buying the game knowing you would invest time and then money into a better system.
You may have thought things would be cheaper when the game was supposed to be released but that in no way changes the fact that the specifications on the box won't allow you to play the game in an enjoyable manner. If what they are saying is true, then the box should list the specifications he assumed would be affordable had it been released later down the line.
Why are so many continually complaining about vanguard with no clue what they are even talking about?
When you people are randomizing about a game that wasn't ready,what exactly are you pointing to?
The fact alot of people cannot run the game ,has absolutell nothing to do with a game that wasn't ready,so quit right there in your feeble attempt to trash talk vanguard.I can think of a few reasons i don't like to play this game ,but i keep it all in perspective and don't just babble out BS like i see so many doing.
This game loads a tremendous amount of polygons in every zone,so quit whining about performance.If you don't want a game that tries to look better than every game out there,then it's your choice go play something with low bit graphics and buildings that are super low poly.Quit blaming a game that at least tried to do something better.If VANGUARd is so incomplete,then my god i would hate to see how much content this game would have if it was complete?As it stands now i would say it has 30% more content than WOW and brings in a few new ideas as well.
I do not plan on playing this game any longer,however i can stand firmly in saying it has better graphics than WOW,better quests than WOW,Larger world than WOW,crafting is at least on even par depending on your preference of ease or challenge.This game is ALOT more challenging than WOW and brings a few new ideas to the table to wich WOW has NEVER brought one new idea to the table EVER!.
Vanguard makes a very good attempt at making a MMO the way it should be played [in groups],however it is possible to solo somewhat.The community really need's to quit this stupid talk about WOW and how many dumbass little kid subscribers they have,it means nothing when talking about a games quality.I would bet if god almighty designed a MMO the WOW fanbois would still sit by there game and cut up the lords work,this i am very sure of.Wow IMO deserves an average rating in just about every area,except for those who enjoy there raiding,thats such a small part of a complete game.
I know ALOT of players stand by WOW's end game raiding,i can't say it's bad maybe you can argue it's great or as good as any other top game[FFXI/EQ2] ,however you would be missing a very big point>>>>>10mb out of 700 mb of game content does NOT warrant a complete game,so if this is your arguement as to how WOW is so much better forget about it.Whatever trivial complaint you have about VANGUARD [i still know this will break all the WOW fanbois heart's],but it surpasses wow in ALOT of areas.
Vanguard although very system demanding is a decent effort just not my total cup of tea.Just because this game is not for me doesn't mean i HAVE to bash it that's just childish,i bash games that truly diserve it,or at least players that deserve it.
In my opinion it was the demand for such a high end system that caught so many players by surprise,that was the REAL factor in creating hate.The only errors i ever see in this game are the EXACT same type of erors i saw in EQ/EQ2.This leaves me to believe it was the way they coded the game and not the actual game engine.This game engine in it's original form can run framerates well over 150 with 32 players on screen.Turn shaders right off in VANGUARD and you will see alot of the reason as to why the game is so demanding.Shaders alone can change your framerates by anywhere from 10-50.Another thing quit jumping all over BRAD and everything he says,the game should be judged on it;s own merit ,not by forum blogs or he says she says.What would you people be arguing about if BRAD didn't say anything?I played this game so far for 2 months,and drew up my own conclusions,what someone else says means nothing to me whatsoever,because i have been in htere to see for myself.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Actually, lets face it the code is the problem, nothing else. I can give a a definitive example why too. Just run LOTRO beta for a bit, the graphics are just as good and a mediocre computers runs it quite well.
So, if their devs can't write decent code, why bother to play the game?
That is why many of us opted out after the first month. Oh and BTW the game has lots of bugs. Innumerable quests bugs, zoning bugs, exp bugs etc. If you enjoy it fine, that does not change the POS it is.
Typical Sony product, not worth the storage space on my hard disk. This is the last time I buy one of their games. I don't pay to beta test their rotten software.
Anyone else have a problem with the amount of money spent on on developing the game?
Did they spend 14 mil on diplomacy-that-is-the-card-game and another 14 on empty-pretty-space-filled-with-nothing-but-you-can-look-at-it-and-say-aawwww ?
Where there a lot of employees on the development team? If yes wtf were they doing? Partying out their ass cause they had millions?
I think when a new company gets to develop a game that people will want to play, they will post things like "that game looks great but hopefully they wont pull a Vanguard on us."
Where the fuck did the money go ... if they were giving it away I could still use some
Anyone else have a problem with the amount of money spent on on developing the game?
Did they spend 14 mil on diplomacy-that-is-the-card-game and another 14 on empty-pretty-space-filled-with-nothing-but-you-can-look-at-it-and-say-aawwww ?
Where there a lot of employees on the development team? If yes wtf were they doing? Partying out their ass cause they had millions?
I think when a new company gets to develop a game that people will want to play, they will post things like "that game looks great but hopefully they wont pull a Vanguard on us."
Where the fuck did the money go ... if they were giving it away I could still use some
My theory is that they spent a whole lot of money developing the game the way it would work to begin with. They had a complicated (supposedly ground breaking) combat system and an equally complicated UI to go with it. Then, just before Beta 2 or 3 I believe, they scrapped all of their designs in favor of the watered-down mcMMO aspects we see now. If you look for older screenshots of Vanguard you'll see a completely different game.
The problem was the beta testers complained that the UI was TOO complicated and combat apparantly was a headache. Any time you throw out years of development like that you're bound to waste a lot of time and money going back to redo everything.
That's my theory, and it certainly doesn't explain what happened to all of the money. Obviously 100 people over 5 years is a lot of salary. What's funny is that like 3/4 of those 100 people are in the art department apparantly.
I played this game so far for 2 months,and drew up my own conclusions,what someone else says means nothing to me whatsoever,because i have been in htere to see for myself.
Why the hell do you write then. If what someone else says means nothing to you, why do you even post or excpect others to read yours? lol
Yeah, it sucks in the state it is in atm -I rallied for DnL thinking it would get better and I feel this game is the same - the world is just too big and they let the important things slide away. Hope the game improves, but atm it sucks.
Anyone else have a problem with the amount of money spent on on developing the game?
Did they spend 14 mil on diplomacy-that-is-the-card-game and another 14 on empty-pretty-space-filled-with-nothing-but-you-can-look-at-it-and-say-aawwww ?
Where there a lot of employees on the development team? If yes wtf were they doing? Partying out their ass cause they had millions?
I think when a new company gets to develop a game that people will want to play, they will post things like "that game looks great but hopefully they wont pull a Vanguard on us."
Where the fuck did the money go ... if they were giving it away I could still use some
That's my theory, and it certainly doesn't explain what happened to all of the money. Obviously 100 people over 5 years is a lot of salary. What's funny is that like 3/4 of those 100 people are in the art department apparantly.
Anyone else have a problem with the amount of money spent on on developing the game?
Did they spend 14 mil on diplomacy-that-is-the-card-game and another 14 on empty-pretty-space-filled-with-nothing-but-you-can-look-at-it-and-say-aawwww ?
Where there a lot of employees on the development team? If yes wtf were they doing? Partying out their ass cause they had millions?
I think when a new company gets to develop a game that people will want to play, they will post things like "that game looks great but hopefully they wont pull a Vanguard on us."
Where the fuck did the money go ... if they were giving it away I could still use some
That's my theory, and it certainly doesn't explain what happened to all of the money. Obviously 100 people over 5 years is a lot of salary. What's funny is that like 3/4 of those 100 people are in the art department apparantly.
VANGUARD HAS ART????
=P
Yeah the art of incompletedness
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Hahhahahhahahahah. FAR, far too funny. This guy makes snake oil salesmen and tobacco execs look honest. He's sooooo sorry. He "REALLY" wants to apologize. LOL. Whats even funnier than him though, is the people who still buy his lame crap. And by that, i mean, his "heart felt" sorrow for the state of his product crap, AND the crap product itself.
Yet another lesson for those of you who choose to worship this "wonder" of "game designing" I can't wait to see how many of you buy his next product.Im betting very few of you learn the lesson this time either.
Like i said,its just too damn funny.
Because for some strange reason people feel okay to play a game with a monthly fee that makes about 120 million a month and only gives the players a little tiny small expension called Burning Crusade, Thats so much funny'r seeing 8mill. people buy into that
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Well, to address your question, Fold or Launch.
I would say Fold.
Mythic folded their Imperium Rome game when it became clear it was not going to succeed.
Microsoft folded their Mythica (no relation) game.
Someone folded Wish.
Lots of MMORPGs that looked like they were not going to play out have been folded.
Why should V:SoH been any different (other than SoE was involved and could force a release)?
On the other hand, why only those two choices.
Perhaps they could have found backers that would not have forced an early release.
That is the option I would have prefered.
Despite Brads desperate need for your money, yes.
The game should have never been launched and the company should have folded.
Ill go even farther.
NONE of the people who worked for that company should ever work for a MMO again.
NEVER.
Now some will say that not all the people that worked for that company are responsible.I disagree.They may choose to hide behind legal agreements saying they couldnt talk,that they cant talk now, etc..
But that doesnt cut any ice with me.Its just another way in which bad companies (and people)can hide their responsibility.BUT make NO mistake, they (ALL the people in the company) bear some of responsibility.
And letting them move to yet another company and do the same crap all over again just isnt acceptable.
Someday the MMO industry as a whole will realize this, and stop letting failure after failure occur with the same people time after time.Someday they do a major house cleaning and the industry as whole will be better for it.
People like Brad can still ask for your money ,but from other industries.They done enough harm to this one already.
Heck, like ive said many times over many years, they'd make great "front" men for any number of industries that work off of confidence rather than competence.
You know, like used car sales,tobbacco companies, politics,advertising,religion,etc....
Brad would work out very well in any of those,and he could still find ways to ask all of you to give him money.
Which Brad needs very much.AND he did say hes sorry. He did.Really.
Thing is, Origin, Mythic, Microsoft (whatever internal studio that was developing Mythica), they were all companies reaping revenue from elsewhere and could survive cancellation.
You brought up Wish and it's cancellation...well, where's Mutable Realms nowadays? I'm sure that's what Brad didn't want to happen to Sigil.
The ethical thing to do would be to of course cancel a game rather than release it and encourage consumers to spend hundreds of dollars on PC upgrades for subpar performance. Brad was just looking to save his own ass though, not that it wasn't valiant to do as much for 100+ employees. It's just sad trusting consumers had to be the victim.
There's just too much to think about and give opinions on when you think about Sigil's management decisions as a whole. The whole concept of Vanguard was kind of stupid for a startup company with nothing to bank on except a 'Vision'. They should've started with a less ambitious MMO and paid for a real Vanguard as envisioned some time afterwards. God knows with the 5 years they spent on Vanguard they could have already had a reasonable MMO out and have been developing a better Vanguard now.
Keep buying those Collector Editions! If you don't, Brad may be forced to sell his fancy sports car
Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole.
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Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole.
Nature of things. And people that thinks they will be able to run conan or WAR on their 4yrs old PC needs to lay off the kool-aid.
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What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea.
eqnext.wikia.com
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you.
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you. If that kind of stuff was "getting" to me, i would not post here.
eqnext.wikia.com
What does that means? That if more stuff was pointed out, people would whine even more? People will whine no matter if it's good or bad when it comes to VG. Why? No idea. No, it means people aren't as bad as you make them out to be.
You said, "No matter what the man posts, people will say is full of shit." I'm saying usually of the thousand things he says at one time, usually it's only one or two things that people have a problem with. It's bound to happen whenever you say so much to a skeptical, dissatisfied audience isn't it? It's nothing big, could be much worse. Don't let it get to you. If that kind of stuff was "getting" to me, i would not post here. But aren't you posting because it does "get" to you, Matraque?
Otherwise, what's the point of being on the defensive? It's not like you're posting about any of your personal concerns; as other people are actually legitimately doing while you take it upon yourself to question them all the time.
Seems to me like it's getting to you. I suggest you stop letting it do so, then you'd be able to passively browse these boards and post only when a concern of yours arises; instead of when everyone else's concerns but your own arise.
Not that Vanguard is a bad game, but it certainly does not warrant me spending a DIME extra to play it. Why should I? I have several played several MMO's and other games/programs on this rig . . and many of them are better looking than Vanguard could ever HOPE to look. Not only do I run them, I run them at MAX levels. No problem!
This single post makes me feel that my patience and hours and hours and hours of playing Vanguard has been a waste. Sorry Brad, but "potential" means nothing to me. Give me the GOODS or shut your pie hole. It's funny that more people don't get enraged over the upgrade comment. If you read the boards you can clearly see that top end machines are getting marginal performance. Here's my take on that comment:
- Unhappy with the game you spent $50 on? Upgrade your system.
- Unhappy that the game won't run like you thought after a major upgrade? Now your out another $1,000 or so.
So it's not enough to be out that initial $50, if you really like the game then maybe you just might buy those upgrades and discover it really was not you. When I see people complaining about performance on rigs with duel SLI setups, 4 gigs of ram and Raptor drives, I know I'm out of my league with the PC I bought 6 months ago.If I really enjoy a game and see certain configurations that are not hugely priced, I don't mind spending $500 in the future to make it play like I want it to play. I've spent thousands over the course of the years to be able to play PC Games both MMoG and Standalone; however that was after I was able to do all the basic stuff on a recommended system. Sure I had to cut back on settings and put up with some extra lag, but after finding how much I enjoyed the game, the next upgrades I bought were to make it better, not to make it run.
If the recommended specifications give you 5-15 fps on high performance mode then they should not be recommended. I guess that's the point of contention with many of the posters. If your saying no one would buy the game if you put down what it really takes to run it in an "enjoyable" atmosphere; then your really saying we deceived you into buying the game knowing you would invest time and then money into a better system.
You may have thought things would be cheaper when the game was supposed to be released but that in no way changes the fact that the specifications on the box won't allow you to play the game in an enjoyable manner. If what they are saying is true, then the box should list the specifications he assumed would be affordable had it been released later down the line.
Why are so many continually complaining about vanguard with no clue what they are even talking about?
When you people are randomizing about a game that wasn't ready,what exactly are you pointing to?
The fact alot of people cannot run the game ,has absolutell nothing to do with a game that wasn't ready,so quit right there in your feeble attempt to trash talk vanguard.I can think of a few reasons i don't like to play this game ,but i keep it all in perspective and don't just babble out BS like i see so many doing.
This game loads a tremendous amount of polygons in every zone,so quit whining about performance.If you don't want a game that tries to look better than every game out there,then it's your choice go play something with low bit graphics and buildings that are super low poly.Quit blaming a game that at least tried to do something better.If VANGUARd is so incomplete,then my god i would hate to see how much content this game would have if it was complete?As it stands now i would say it has 30% more content than WOW and brings in a few new ideas as well.
I do not plan on playing this game any longer,however i can stand firmly in saying it has better graphics than WOW,better quests than WOW,Larger world than WOW,crafting is at least on even par depending on your preference of ease or challenge.This game is ALOT more challenging than WOW and brings a few new ideas to the table to wich WOW has NEVER brought one new idea to the table EVER!.
Vanguard makes a very good attempt at making a MMO the way it should be played [in groups],however it is possible to solo somewhat.The community really need's to quit this stupid talk about WOW and how many dumbass little kid subscribers they have,it means nothing when talking about a games quality.I would bet if god almighty designed a MMO the WOW fanbois would still sit by there game and cut up the lords work,this i am very sure of.Wow IMO deserves an average rating in just about every area,except for those who enjoy there raiding,thats such a small part of a complete game.
I know ALOT of players stand by WOW's end game raiding,i can't say it's bad maybe you can argue it's great or as good as any other top game[FFXI/EQ2] ,however you would be missing a very big point>>>>>10mb out of 700 mb of game content does NOT warrant a complete game,so if this is your arguement as to how WOW is so much better forget about it.Whatever trivial complaint you have about VANGUARD [i still know this will break all the WOW fanbois heart's],but it surpasses wow in ALOT of areas.
Vanguard although very system demanding is a decent effort just not my total cup of tea.Just because this game is not for me doesn't mean i HAVE to bash it that's just childish,i bash games that truly diserve it,or at least players that deserve it.
In my opinion it was the demand for such a high end system that caught so many players by surprise,that was the REAL factor in creating hate.The only errors i ever see in this game are the EXACT same type of erors i saw in EQ/EQ2.This leaves me to believe it was the way they coded the game and not the actual game engine.This game engine in it's original form can run framerates well over 150 with 32 players on screen.Turn shaders right off in VANGUARD and you will see alot of the reason as to why the game is so demanding.Shaders alone can change your framerates by anywhere from 10-50.Another thing quit jumping all over BRAD and everything he says,the game should be judged on it;s own merit ,not by forum blogs or he says she says.What would you people be arguing about if BRAD didn't say anything?I played this game so far for 2 months,and drew up my own conclusions,what someone else says means nothing to me whatsoever,because i have been in htere to see for myself.
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Actually, lets face it the code is the problem, nothing else. I can give a a definitive example why too. Just run LOTRO beta for a bit, the graphics are just as good and a mediocre computers runs it quite well.
So, if their devs can't write decent code, why bother to play the game?
That is why many of us opted out after the first month. Oh and BTW the game has lots of bugs. Innumerable quests bugs, zoning bugs, exp bugs etc. If you enjoy it fine, that does not change the POS it is.
Typical Sony product, not worth the storage space on my hard disk. This is the last time I buy one of their games. I don't pay to beta test their rotten software.
Did they spend 14 mil on diplomacy-that-is-the-card-game and another 14 on empty-pretty-space-filled-with-nothing-but-you-can-look-at-it-and-say-aawwww ?
Where there a lot of employees on the development team? If yes wtf were they doing? Partying out their ass cause they had millions?
I think when a new company gets to develop a game that people will want to play, they will post things like "that game looks great but hopefully they wont pull a Vanguard on us."
Where the fuck did the money go
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The problem was the beta testers complained that the UI was TOO complicated and combat apparantly was a headache. Any time you throw out years of development like that you're bound to waste a lot of time and money going back to redo everything.
That's my theory, and it certainly doesn't explain what happened to all of the money. Obviously 100 people over 5 years is a lot of salary. What's funny is that like 3/4 of those 100 people are in the art department apparantly.
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Why the hell do you write then. If what someone else says means nothing to you, why do you even post or excpect others to read yours? lolVANGUARD HAS ART????
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VANGUARD HAS ART????
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Yeah the art of incompletedness
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR