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DMEnoc

Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.

Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money. Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.

RonnyRulz

That is sad =(

If only they made it better for performance

My family and friends also can't play it because of the system requirements. Especially since they all own laptops, even if gaming laptops.

Okamichu

I used to like Vanguard.  But, what with all the crappy reviews, and the fact that my computer wouldn't EVER be able to run it even on the lowest setting with a high frame rate, I decided to not buy it, since I as a consumer don't have to.   I feel like I have power here, hehe.  Never gettin' my money Sigil.

healz4u

Wow!





I tip my hat to you, DMEnoc, as you are a thoughtful and considerate poster.





I also wanted to enjoy Vanguard, and it is not so much sad that you are quitting but that a corporation would actually create a game that people cannot play (although they want to). 





It is ... sad.

random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.



I simply think the appeal of such games is low, and think that Brad was not the appropriate guy for this project, he can't reinvent his vision, it's dead.

dendea

Well i never was a hugh fan of the game but i still wish you the best of luck on this one. Any one who has played an mmo knows its much better to play with friends. It seemed like you truely loved this game, no matter what people said you didnt care because you liked the game and that took balls.

I hope everything turns out well for you sir and i hope people can keep there negative posts to a minimum.

Ryun511

Originally posted by DMEnoc


Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.


Exactly the reason I quit. I miss playing with my RL friends because they have computers that just can't run the game at playable levels. I thought the game was fun, but the performance was just horrid. Hell, after all the crap I heard about Vangaurd's performance I was surprised my one friend with his GeForce 5200FX, Pentium 4 2.6Ghz, and 1GB of RAM could run the game at 5 FPS.



Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money.




Doubtful. Sigil's only got 12 programmers at the moment (plus Ryan Elam as the tech director) and even if SOE decides to help I see them being spread very thin. Even Mr. Elam said the game wouldn't be fully optimized for another year, and even then I don't see my friends (with their current rigs) even playing VG at the lowest levels.



Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.
I would try LoTRO. It offers pretty much the same thing as VG at the moment, minus the lack of instances, classes, and races. It's still hella fun though and definitely something your friends can run on their machines.

Anyway, I hear you man. I do wish Sigil the best though. Good luck.

DMEnoc

I tried LOTRO but didn't like it. I can't pinpoint just one thing as to why, but it just felt too blah to me. I have a list of reasons but nothing alone can tell me exactly why I can't like it.

Okamichu

 

Originally posted by random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.



I simply think the appeal of such games is low, and think that Brad was not the appropriate guy for this project, he can't reinvent his vision, it's dead.

That's so true it's scary. Excellent post!

random11

Yeah, LotRO seemed "ugh" to mee as well, which is not saying it's a bad game. Actually it's a pretty good solid title, I predict great success for it, but it is definetly not for me.

healz4u

Originally posted by DMEnoc


I tried LOTRO but didn't like it. I can't pinpoint just one thing as to why, but it just felt too blah to me. I have a list of reasons but nothing alone can tell me exactly why I can't like it.

My sentiments exactly.





I also tried WoW, went brain dead after five hours of play (although I am guild leader and need to transfer leadership).





I am back on Everquest, and I hate zerg-raiding but I feel as if I am in a genuine world, can accomplish many things 3 boxing (and do not have to LFM or LFG while 3 boxing), and I have great friends.





If you want to join me on EQ, please send me a private msg.  I have met a few really cool people from here in EQ.  I enjoy EQ for now until WAR or maybe AoC (possibly EQ 2 expansion if they release one).





By the way, the Guild I am in now is a top guild on the server (the Guild I was the Leader of merged with it) so we can do a lot of things.

FischerBlack

Originally posted by DMEnoc


Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.
Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money. Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.

Thats unfortunate DMEnoc, but frankly i dont blame you at all. I also really like the vision of this game, but am often frustrated with performance, and low population directly caused by performance issues. I hope you keep an eye on the title as it improves, in time I think this will be a strong, competitive game.

smg77

Originally posted by random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.



I simply think the appeal of such games is low, and think that Brad was not the appropriate guy for this project, he can't reinvent his vision, it's dead.

Speak for yourself. My idea of a winning scenario is to see Vanguard fail so miserably that other development companies will see that it's a bad idea to get into bed with SOE.

Shadrak

Well, VG is made with future technology in mind. Even though your pc is good by TODAYS standards maybe in 6 months or a year from now technology will have caught up to VGs standards and you will have bought that new technology and can get better performance in group situations.



Maybe we'll run in to each other in Telon in 12-18months from now

Unknown

What exactly do the "haters" have to do with your poor performance or reasons for quitting?

Mars505

Originally posted by DMEnoc


Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.
Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money. Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.

The saddr part is HUNDREDS of testers told Sigil what you have said, only to be ignored . More power to you DMEnoc.



Just a tip:

From reading your posts over the past months and knowing a little about your game style. give a great consideration to Age of Conan.

talif

I too wanted the game to be a big hit but like many of you.My real life friends can't play it shoot  one of my friends that i give my login and pass word to,check out the game tried to play but all he could see was his head on the lowest setting. And as for me i can only play on balanced with aobut 20 to 24 fps in the wild. I know i don't have the top of the line specs (x850 radeon, 2gigs of corsair ddr ram,p4 3.3gig 500 gig sata hd windows xp pro) like i said it 's not the top of the line but it's decent i don't mind upgrading but i am glad i didn't as yet becuase i would have been a little ticked thinking that something was wrong with my rig. But come to find out it''s the game. Any how i nor my real life friends will be playing vanguard due to the games engine

Well i just want to say that to all of you guys still playing and have a blast play on

Markaj

I am very sorry it ended like this I hope that you would find a mmo which you can play with your friends. With more titles coming out this year, I don't think it should be an issue. Thank you very much for your honest post.



/bow.

sepher

Originally posted by DMEnoc


Well to all the haters, you win.

I'm guessing I qualify as a "hater", but any antagonizing on my part wasn't to win anything.



I don't revel in seeing folks quit, I actually sympathize with you in that I wish Vanguard at least had a lower hardware threshold, so that more of my friends could at least roll the dice on whether they want to play it or not.



Not to demean why you're canceling for now, but everyone has different gripes that are more important to them. Not to paint you as the same as me or any other "hater", but I hope that you can realize in your personal gripe with the game that mine and others' biggest gripes can be just as genuine as yours and reason enough to call it quits for now.

takaris7

Originally posted by DMEnoc


I tried LOTRO but didn't like it. I can't pinpoint just one thing as to why, but it just felt too blah to me. I have a list of reasons but nothing alone can tell me exactly why I can't like it.

its a shame really because I just cant get into LOTRO as well. Its just something about it that I dont like... If all else fails I still have a nice workable guild on EQ2. There is nothing out there right now that measures up or has what im looking for in a MMO. I was so thrilled about the housing, mounts and boats in Vanguard i jumped right in...Im still playing (i have station pass) but this performance issue could be a problem for all new players.



The performance is the only nagging thing here on Vanguard that im unhappy with and its annoying at times during play...my harddrive works overtime playing this game...the frame rate is bad and i cant pinpoint the problem. EQ2 and LOTRO runs fine with few hitches and lags despite the population or city activity.



The graphics on Vanguard are good but are they responsible for the frame rate or server problems? Can it be fixed? (I think so given time) Right now I have Vanguard running on my second monitor...people are around the crafting stations (I can see about 8 people) and there is minor lag and delays...could be me...dont know yet...my hard drive is running fast...dont know why.



On another note...I do like constructive and honest posts like this...I can tell this guy is being honest..its the other yappers on here  that are 90% of the problem on these boards.

takaris7

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.



I simply think the appeal of such games is low, and think that Brad was not the appropriate guy for this project, he can't reinvent his vision, it's dead.

Speak for yourself. My idea of a winning scenario is to see Vanguard fail so miserably that other development companies will see that it's a bad idea to get into bed with SOE.

This game was in development long before SOE got a hold of it. So what does that say? SOE totally changed the game in a months time? please.

Lidane

Originally posted by random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.

Exactly. Well said!



Honestly, I think it's a shame that Vanguard is having so many problems, and seeing so many fans of the game cancel really speaks to the state the game's in. It's just not finished, and it's not ready for prime time. 



I really did want to see it do well, if only to give people another viable gaming option. More choices are a good thing, after all. And the shell IS there for a great game. It's just sad that Sigil screwed things up so badly. 

arctarus

"I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans."

Totally agree, we've also been following this games for years, though ive read about this game in beta have so many bugs but was very glad with the report by the beta players that sigil is solving tons of bugs everyday!

But was truly let down when the game is launch, i too dont own a top of the line rig plus all the bugs still inside really makes this unplayerable. great dissapointment....


edit: dont noe why i cant post in paragraph... using opera currently, can anyone help? thx

Enigma

Originally posted by DMEnoc


Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.
Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money. Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.

sorry to hear about your ordeal.  I am confidant that in a few months it will bet a litte bearable if you need any buddy passes to other games lemme know.

 

 

Enigma

Originally posted by DMEnoc


I tried LOTRO but didn't like it. I can't pinpoint just one thing as to why, but it just felt too blah to me. I have a list of reasons but nothing alone can tell me exactly why I can't like it.

agreed. You're not the only one

Enigma

Originally posted by takaris7

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by random11

I disagree, we "haters" don't win anything, the only way we would have won something was if this game would have delivered. Every single (valid) "hater" is here for the same reason: disappointment with a game they once looked forward to. It was never a war between haters and fans.



I simply think the appeal of such games is low, and think that Brad was not the appropriate guy for this project, he can't reinvent his vision, it's dead.

Speak for yourself. My idea of a winning scenario is to see Vanguard fail so miserably that other development companies will see that it's a bad idea to get into bed with SOE.

This game was in development long before SOE got a hold of it. So what does that say? SOE totally changed the game in a months time? please.

Aye

They had problems way back when they were under Microsoft. Has nothing to do with SOE with this game.