Why do people think that MMORPGs that get older, lose subscribers. EvE online has been out for Years, and it keeps getting more popular these days. If anyone remembers it's release, it was a REALLY bad game. It's just gotten better and better. Now they are constantly getting new subscribers and breaking their pop records. The point is, as a game gets better and as it gets all fixed up, more people come. Vanguard will not go away for a while, as long as it can hold a decent 50K subscribers it can survive.
Yes, EVE is a perfect example that it's possible to turn things around. There's one major difference between VG and EVE though. EVE is a niche game. There are no other MMORPGs like it. If you want to fly around in a spaceship, trading, blasting and mining, EVE is the only real choice. VG on the other hand is yet-another-levelbased-fantasy MMORPG in an evergrowing sea of fantasy MMOs. That's a serious disadvantage. They're gonna have to work seriously hard on the things that sets VG apart from the rest of the fantasy MMOs in order to stand a chance.
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I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I re-tried Vanguard last week. I find it utterly boring. Sure, performance has improved (Not much, but still), but its just........boring. Great music though (Elvern towns for instance).
I don't think its dead...but i don't think its going to grow much at all.... First impressions count for everything, and for the 'core-gamer' market, Vanguard is simply tarnished forever.
Its all about momentum, and vanguard simply doesn't have any. People wont go to it, becuase people arn't playing it, making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. It might, with a lot of work, get to the 150k/200k mark if they (SOE) work very hard at it. Once AOC and Warhammer come out, no new players will want in.
Vanguard isn't dead yet. However, both SOE and Sigil have got a lot to do if they expect to ever raise the game above the level of Station Pass mediocrity.
Can it improve? Yes. It really can't go anywhere but up. How far it goes, though, is entirely up to the devs. Will it recover like EQ2, or limp along quietly like MxO? We won't know for a while. But it will never be a serious contender in the market. Too many people have already made up their minds, and there are a lot of other, newer games on the horizon.
I have to say I am impressed by this patch myself, it does seem Vanguard will pull in the masses and seems to be improving (eventhough it has bugs still). While I was dissappointed in the missing content and constant bug deaths losing XP I have witnessed some very cool things in groups this patch (harvesting my favorite).
Vanguard can only go up as it is currently down right now/shrugs.
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Another thing with SOE is the station pass....how many people which are on SWG, (and Vanguard now as well) are keeping the subs up becuase they have it?
Some gamers like more complicated MMO's, LOTR, and WOW are not complicated. Vanguard has some depth which makes it more appealing to some gamers, but most gamers prefer a simplier easier to learn game. Not a kick in the balls to the people who like LOTR or WOW but it is not for everyone. I think Warhammer will be easier game appealing to the WOW crowd. AOC will be more complicated and appeal towards the gamers looking for more. So basically I think AOC will be the only MMO to kick Vanguard in the balls. Vanguard is a fun game if you play it and try out more then just the adventuring.
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The game would only get better if SOE bought their developers into it! Vanguard is in such a sorry state it's obvious the current developers don't know how to make a game lol, they were probally all at college for 4 years learning how to program and use maya and Unreal 2 engine + photoshop etc etc.. then the last year of development they started making it.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I also doubt 500K is possible. EQII has made great strides to improve it's less than stellar game with expansions and patches. It has brought back Faydwer and soon will be bringing back Kunark. It is probably 10 times better than at release (and was no where close to as unfinished as VG) and it's numbers are growing but they aren't sitting on 500K because SOE would let you know if they had a game that was hitting that mark.
VG has no recognizable IP, it has high requirements, and it has six months worth of bad word of mouth to overcome. Add in that Buring Crusade is doing well right now, LOTRs released stable and popular with fans and critics and AoC and WAR are coming. No amount of Brad's viral marketing will get VG to hit 500K. Something better and newer and more recognizable will always be there or coming soon. They had their window of opportunity and released as you stated a game that needed a year or more of work and they did it the same week of Burning Crusade.
It would take a comeback of Rocky like proportions to achieve that goal and this is the real world without that inspiring underdog ending.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I also doubt 500K is possible. EQII has made great strides to improve it's less than stellar game with expansions and patches. It has brought back Faydwer and soon will be bringing back Kunark. It is probably 10 times better than at release (and was no where close to as unfinished as VG) and it's numbers are growing but they aren't sitting on 500K because SOE would let you know if they had a game that was hitting that mark.
VG has no recognizable IP, it has high requirements, and it has six months worth of bad word of mouth to overcome. Add in that Buring Crusade is doing well right now, LOTRs released stable and popular with fans and critics and AoC and WAR are coming. No amount of Brad's viral marketing will get VG to hit 500K. Something better and newer and more recognizable will always be there or coming soon. They had their window of opportunity and released as you stated a game that needed a year or more of work and they did it the same week of Burning Crusade.
It would take a comeback of Rocky like proportions to achieve that goal and this is the real world without that inspiring underdog ending.
Vanguard reaching 500k would be like Rocky taking on Mr. T, Apollo Creed, Hulk Hogan, Dolph Lundgren, and Mike Tyson all at once and winning. After that win, he would then have to take on the US Army, US National Guard, and US Marines using just his boxing gloves and the Army using their M16s. Rocky winning that battle is more probable than VG reaching 500k subs.
VG will be lucky to have SOE throw them enough lunch money to keep 2 servers running and lights on in their cubicles. ok, maybe they will allow them to keep the coffee machines working as well.
It has improved some. If you were running on hardware that is a few generations old, you're not going to be able to bump up video settings much. You'll be getting better performance at the setting you were already playing on for sure. If you enjoyed the game mechanics, the core of the game I guess, and the gfx didn't bother you; then you may enjoy the game.
And don't be silly. Think AoC is going to be so much more system friendly? Sure, a game also developed for the 360 is going to look fantastic on the same hardware vg looks like crap on. Isn't AoC going to utilize the latest hardware as well?
VG may hit 500k, personally I think it has the potential within a years time, or it may not. Don't really care as long as I can play the game now. Something I couldn't do if it was released in the fall or start of 08'.
500k subscribers in 2 years? If i've learnt anything then it's the fact that as a mmorpg ages it loses subscribers and not gains!
Ever hear of WoW? Bit of a rocky launch, but it went on to gain a few subscribers. Guess you learn about as good as you spell.
I think it had a rocky launch because no one including Blizzard we're expecting 2 million people to try it out that first month. That's a good difficulty to run into. It grew to 8 million by adding a country here and there and with massive advertising, and postive word of mouth.
WOW are also still gaining subscribers because no one really has offered a quality product that even came close to being in the same ballpark. EQII is coming around and LoTRs is off to a good start but basically WOW has had no competition for years. Look at the games releases since WOW? Auto Assault, D&D Online, Vanguard, ArchLord, Dark and Light etc.
And FTR before I get flamed, I am not a WOW fan. I'm just saying that the past two years or longer have stunk for MMORPG fans so WOW's mass-growth isn't hard to figure out.
Been reading this thread, nice to hear that vanguard is improving. One question i have though, is that many in the above thread speak of depth, how vanguard has depth.
This I simply can't understand, where is the depth of vanguard.
When its all said and done, at the end of this year Vanguard will be in a much better state, playable for many i would bet. At that time, if the rest of the industry falls on its face with lack of innovation, Vanguard will be a polished game, a large one to explore and may grow.
However, if some of the innovation that many are expecting (AOC comes to mind) I just think, Vanguard is left out in the cold. It offers nothing new. Its the same old MMO thing, which is still fun to many including myself but really its nothing new.
Vanguard has no more depth than wow or lotro or eq2 etc...
I have been with this game since day one. Yes I do like the game "a lot" however with that being said I am also one of this games biggest critics. The game, all be it slowly, is getting better(as I have said in a previous post). It does actually run smoother now then it did when it first lanuched. The chunking in some areas is pretty smooth some are not. I can run the game with pretty much all the bells and whistles turned on(when there is not like 30+ other players around). Yes I have a higher end computer.
So those of you that are no longer playing it and say the game is not getting better have no ground to stand on because you're no longer playing the game. It has improved. In 6 to 7 more months I suspect this game will be one of the better MMO's out there. In 2 years it will be the best. It wasn't long ago that people were whining about SWG being a poor, buggy launch and it turned into a really good game and lasted that way up until the NGE was unleashed on it and brought it crashing to the ground. Vanguard is going to make a wonderfully huge sandbox to play in very similar to what we saw in SWG pre-NGE.
So don't be so quick to discount where this game may be in a years time. There are other examples of games turning around and this one has a good chance of doing that.
U got to be joking to think 2 yrs from now ppl would still be playing Vanguard when we can be playing WH, AoC, StarTrek, Stargate, Starcraft, WH40k, and Naruto.
Vanguard is going to make a wonderfully huge sandbox to play in very similar to what we saw in SWG pre-NGE.
Is this really the intent? I have found that "sandbox play" is a term applied as a euphemism to games with insufficient content.
Content? Like the thousands and thousands of quest that all ready exist in this game across three different continents? Sandbox means a player has many different choices and can play a myriad of ways and not just one. Want to be an adventurer? Be one. Wish to be a crafter. Be one. Wish to be both that can be done as well. Wish to delve into the unique game play that is diplomacy. You can do that as well. Just like all these games they grow and new things are added. The game will mature and it will get better.
U got to be joking to think 2 yrs from now ppl would still be playing Vanguard when we can be playing WH, AoC, StarTrek, Stargate, Starcraft, WH40k, and Naruto.
And everyone of those games you just listed will come to the table with their own unique problems and not be the end all be all of games. Just as Planetside was not for everyone(not everyone liked it) nothing says that those games will be what players hype them out to be. This happens with every game that is launched. I recall SWG's launch and people saying the game would be dead in 3 to 4 months and it grew to nearly 500k player bae until the CU and then it dropped off. Then came the NGE and it crashed. Until that time SWG was a great game.
I can sit here and debate this till I am blue in the face and there is no need to do that. Just as people where praising DDO when it launched and prior to its launch I predicted it would drop to under 50k player base within it's first year and look at it. All those people saying I was full of it and didn't know what I was talking about are eating their words huh. What about the people that said that AO would be gone in a year after it was launched. I said the opposite. AO is one of the better MMO's on the market and Funcom is no longer looked at as a bad game company. In fact it is just the opposite. People are praising them now for bringing AoC and this new MMO the Secret World to the masses.
All I am saying is don't be so quick to say this game Vanguard is going to crash and burn.
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Yes, EVE is a perfect example that it's possible to turn things around. There's one major difference between VG and EVE though. EVE is a niche game. There are no other MMORPGs like it. If you want to fly around in a spaceship, trading, blasting and mining, EVE is the only real choice. VG on the other hand is yet-another-levelbased-fantasy MMORPG in an evergrowing sea of fantasy MMOs. That's a serious disadvantage. They're gonna have to work seriously hard on the things that sets VG apart from the rest of the fantasy MMOs in order to stand a chance.
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I don't think its dead...but i don't think its going to grow much at all.... First impressions count for everything, and for the 'core-gamer' market, Vanguard is simply tarnished forever.
Its all about momentum, and vanguard simply doesn't have any. People wont go to it, becuase people arn't playing it, making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. It might, with a lot of work, get to the 150k/200k mark if they (SOE) work very hard at it. Once AOC and Warhammer come out, no new players will want in.
Vanguard isn't dead yet. However, both SOE and Sigil have got a lot to do if they expect to ever raise the game above the level of Station Pass mediocrity.
Can it improve? Yes. It really can't go anywhere but up. How far it goes, though, is entirely up to the devs. Will it recover like EQ2, or limp along quietly like MxO? We won't know for a while. But it will never be a serious contender in the market. Too many people have already made up their minds, and there are a lot of other, newer games on the horizon.
I have to say I am impressed by this patch myself, it does seem Vanguard will pull in the masses and seems to be improving (eventhough it has bugs still). While I was dissappointed in the missing content and constant bug deaths losing XP I have witnessed some very cool things in groups this patch (harvesting my favorite).
Vanguard can only go up as it is currently down right now/shrugs.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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To the guys who said they'd put $500 that Vangaurd wont get to 500k subs, i'd put the same on Vanguard never hitting 200k at the same time.
Some gamers like more complicated MMO's, LOTR, and WOW are not complicated. Vanguard has some depth which makes it more appealing to some gamers, but most gamers prefer a simplier easier to learn game. Not a kick in the balls to the people who like LOTR or WOW but it is not for everyone. I think Warhammer will be easier game appealing to the WOW crowd. AOC will be more complicated and appeal towards the gamers looking for more. So basically I think AOC will be the only MMO to kick Vanguard in the balls. Vanguard is a fun game if you play it and try out more then just the adventuring.
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I also doubt 500K is possible. EQII has made great strides to improve it's less than stellar game with expansions and patches. It has brought back Faydwer and soon will be bringing back Kunark. It is probably 10 times better than at release (and was no where close to as unfinished as VG) and it's numbers are growing but they aren't sitting on 500K because SOE would let you know if they had a game that was hitting that mark.
VG has no recognizable IP, it has high requirements, and it has six months worth of bad word of mouth to overcome. Add in that Buring Crusade is doing well right now, LOTRs released stable and popular with fans and critics and AoC and WAR are coming. No amount of Brad's viral marketing will get VG to hit 500K. Something better and newer and more recognizable will always be there or coming soon. They had their window of opportunity and released as you stated a game that needed a year or more of work and they did it the same week of Burning Crusade.
It would take a comeback of Rocky like proportions to achieve that goal and this is the real world without that inspiring underdog ending.
I also doubt 500K is possible. EQII has made great strides to improve it's less than stellar game with expansions and patches. It has brought back Faydwer and soon will be bringing back Kunark. It is probably 10 times better than at release (and was no where close to as unfinished as VG) and it's numbers are growing but they aren't sitting on 500K because SOE would let you know if they had a game that was hitting that mark.
VG has no recognizable IP, it has high requirements, and it has six months worth of bad word of mouth to overcome. Add in that Buring Crusade is doing well right now, LOTRs released stable and popular with fans and critics and AoC and WAR are coming. No amount of Brad's viral marketing will get VG to hit 500K. Something better and newer and more recognizable will always be there or coming soon. They had their window of opportunity and released as you stated a game that needed a year or more of work and they did it the same week of Burning Crusade.
It would take a comeback of Rocky like proportions to achieve that goal and this is the real world without that inspiring underdog ending.
Vanguard reaching 500k would be like Rocky taking on Mr. T, Apollo Creed, Hulk Hogan, Dolph Lundgren, and Mike Tyson all at once and winning. After that win, he would then have to take on the US Army, US National Guard, and US Marines using just his boxing gloves and the Army using their M16s. Rocky winning that battle is more probable than VG reaching 500k subs.
VG will be lucky to have SOE throw them enough lunch money to keep 2 servers running and lights on in their cubicles. ok, maybe they will allow them to keep the coffee machines working as well.
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Not at all.
It has improved some. If you were running on hardware that is a few generations old, you're not going to be able to bump up video settings much. You'll be getting better performance at the setting you were already playing on for sure. If you enjoyed the game mechanics, the core of the game I guess, and the gfx didn't bother you; then you may enjoy the game.
And don't be silly. Think AoC is going to be so much more system friendly? Sure, a game also developed for the 360 is going to look fantastic on the same hardware vg looks like crap on. Isn't AoC going to utilize the latest hardware as well?
VG may hit 500k, personally I think it has the potential within a years time, or it may not. Don't really care as long as I can play the game now. Something I couldn't do if it was released in the fall or start of 08'.
Def. not dead.
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I'll save all and any positive comments about this game the day they have the balls to let people trial it...
And I SHAN'T be saying anything negative for now either..
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It all sucked.
Ever hear of WoW? Bit of a rocky launch, but it went on to gain a few subscribers. Guess you learn about as good as you spell.
I think it had a rocky launch because no one including Blizzard we're expecting 2 million people to try it out that first month. That's a good difficulty to run into. It grew to 8 million by adding a country here and there and with massive advertising, and postive word of mouth.
WOW are also still gaining subscribers because no one really has offered a quality product that even came close to being in the same ballpark. EQII is coming around and LoTRs is off to a good start but basically WOW has had no competition for years. Look at the games releases since WOW? Auto Assault, D&D Online, Vanguard, ArchLord, Dark and Light etc.
And FTR before I get flamed, I am not a WOW fan. I'm just saying that the past two years or longer have stunk for MMORPG fans so WOW's mass-growth isn't hard to figure out.
Been reading this thread, nice to hear that vanguard is improving. One question i have though, is that many in the above thread speak of depth, how vanguard has depth.
This I simply can't understand, where is the depth of vanguard.
When its all said and done, at the end of this year Vanguard will be in a much better state, playable for many i would bet. At that time, if the rest of the industry falls on its face with lack of innovation, Vanguard will be a polished game, a large one to explore and may grow.
However, if some of the innovation that many are expecting (AOC comes to mind) I just think, Vanguard is left out in the cold. It offers nothing new. Its the same old MMO thing, which is still fun to many including myself but really its nothing new.
Vanguard has no more depth than wow or lotro or eq2 etc...
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I have been with this game since day one. Yes I do like the game "a lot" however with that being said I am also one of this games biggest critics. The game, all be it slowly, is getting better(as I have said in a previous post). It does actually run smoother now then it did when it first lanuched. The chunking in some areas is pretty smooth some are not. I can run the game with pretty much all the bells and whistles turned on(when there is not like 30+ other players around). Yes I have a higher end computer.
So those of you that are no longer playing it and say the game is not getting better have no ground to stand on because you're no longer playing the game. It has improved. In 6 to 7 more months I suspect this game will be one of the better MMO's out there. In 2 years it will be the best. It wasn't long ago that people were whining about SWG being a poor, buggy launch and it turned into a really good game and lasted that way up until the NGE was unleashed on it and brought it crashing to the ground. Vanguard is going to make a wonderfully huge sandbox to play in very similar to what we saw in SWG pre-NGE.
So don't be so quick to discount where this game may be in a years time. There are other examples of games turning around and this one has a good chance of doing that.
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Content? Like the thousands and thousands of quest that all ready exist in this game across three different continents? Sandbox means a player has many different choices and can play a myriad of ways and not just one. Want to be an adventurer? Be one. Wish to be a crafter. Be one. Wish to be both that can be done as well. Wish to delve into the unique game play that is diplomacy. You can do that as well. Just like all these games they grow and new things are added. The game will mature and it will get better.
And everyone of those games you just listed will come to the table with their own unique problems and not be the end all be all of games. Just as Planetside was not for everyone(not everyone liked it) nothing says that those games will be what players hype them out to be. This happens with every game that is launched. I recall SWG's launch and people saying the game would be dead in 3 to 4 months and it grew to nearly 500k player bae until the CU and then it dropped off. Then came the NGE and it crashed. Until that time SWG was a great game.
I can sit here and debate this till I am blue in the face and there is no need to do that. Just as people where praising DDO when it launched and prior to its launch I predicted it would drop to under 50k player base within it's first year and look at it. All those people saying I was full of it and didn't know what I was talking about are eating their words huh. What about the people that said that AO would be gone in a year after it was launched. I said the opposite. AO is one of the better MMO's on the market and Funcom is no longer looked at as a bad game company. In fact it is just the opposite. People are praising them now for bringing AoC and this new MMO the Secret World to the masses.
All I am saying is don't be so quick to say this game Vanguard is going to crash and burn.