WoW is Dieing!

MrTumN3s

 WoW is finally DIEING! People are getting bored of the high level grinds, and about time. I quit a long time, but recently i have been seeing people quitting day and day. What could be the cause of this? A horrible expansion pack that only added in two lazy races and one big chunk of land? The Next Gen MMO's ? Whatever it may be, and maybe you've been seeing is a lot lately, but people have been complaining about WoW regardless of the reasons.

Nevarion

Oh please! Now we have to the SWG is dieing! crap another WoW is dieing! crap??? *runs of screaming*

logicbomb82

WOW is boring the day l after I level 60 and realized there was nothing new for me to do..Raid raid raid is not my thing. PVP sucks and takes no skill. It will never die because it is a great MMO but it does lack any longer term content that keeps people sub'd.

Rehmes

Never played the game and personaly dont care. But unless you post concrete number of falling subscriptions this thread is useless. you are officially number 123897641897468234562348956 to post about how WoW is dying in the past month. Congratulations, you win......the upcoming flame fest which will begin once the fanbois read this lol.

Illius

GASP!!

I played WoW myself, for about a year, and quit a while back.  Despite having some negative opinions on the game I see no point in people comming here and spouting the same crap over and over again. 

It's unnecessary and clogs these boards with fuel for flamers and trolls.

You stoped playing.  Congrats! you win! now go find something else to play.

 

MrTumN3s

If 123897641897468234562348956 is the right number of posts, then that means WoW is dying quickly, if not dead.

Gameloading

Indeed, WoW is clearly dying. I mean, look at the latest press release, it clearly shows a decline in subsc...oh no wait it doesn't.



but ofcourse, all the people you know that stopped playing are clearly a good indication of a subscriber base of 8,5 mil...oh no wait, it isn't actually...In fact, with so many subscribers, its only normall people quit, but as some people quit, other people start playing the game.

Stellus

Dying, not dieing.

MrTumN3s

me from france, i no know english well. Sorry

Gameloading

Go ahead and post some factual, official information that Blizzard is dying. I dare you. and no, "I know so many people quiting!" if I'm generous, all those people that you know are quiting are less then 100 people, and then I'm being REALLY generous. basing a subscriber base of 8,5 million people on 100 people is hilarious.

Bakgrind

Originally posted by MrTumN3s

 WoW is finally DIEING! People are getting bored of the high level grinds, and about time. I quit a long time, but recently i have been seeing people quitting day and day. What could be the cause of this? A horrible expansion pack that only added in two lazy races and one big chunk of land? The Next Gen MMO's ? Whatever it may be, and maybe you've been seeing is a lot lately, but people have been complaining about WoW regardless of the reasons.

Hmm this always comes to my mind when ' Someone that quit the game a long time ago" worries about a game they no longer play. Any MMORPG is going to loose subscriptions once people get tired of any aspect of the game. Personally  I don't see it "Dieing" as you say. The expansion in my mind was pretty well done with lots of content and quests to go along with it. The only draw back I saw was that no one plays in the good 45-60 dungeons any more to keep the AH's stocked with gear for those levels ( and that's pretty much the way it is on all servers since everyone is trying to hit max level ).



People complain about any and every thing in a MMO. My personal feelings are that if the game is not fun for me, takes up to much of my time or feels like a second job I leave it. And when I leave it I don't whine and try to convince or sway other people with the notion that if I think its dieing or dull then surely everyone has to see that too. Right ?

Rogue420

Almost 50% of WoW's suscribers are from Asia. WoW will lose alot of it's suscribers in the US, I'm not sure about Europe, but I know Asia loves WoW/Blizzard. So WoW will die in the states, but will live a long life in Asia.

Gameloading

And why exactly would WoW be dying in the US right now? Blizzard reports tell us the subscirber base is rising, not dropping. saying WoW is dying is based on ..well, nothing actually.

Mmoseaotter

It will jump up if they had Panda Brewmasters as a race.





Actually, I would say it is doing fine, the number are still high and things seem steady. I don't think ti will die soon due to it being a Diablo 2 type game. Basically, you join the game and have fun till 60 then do it with the other characters then quit till a new patch.





I am no fan of WoW just because I did not like it that much but I am not gonna bash it because people enjoy the game. I would say to you should refrain from saying something is dieing just to start a flame war.

Flyte27

The game is getting old and every game gets boring after a while.  Is it so hard to understand?  It seems people expect games to last forever.

Rogue420

Originally posted by Gameloading

And why exactly would WoW be dying in the US right now? Blizzard reports tell us the subscirber base is rising, not dropping. saying WoW is dying is based on ..well, nothing actually.

Where did you see that there are more suscribers rising in the US? Link it. I bet most Americans will leave WoW for AoC or WAR. Let's also mention how WoW gets boring after your first 60/70.

Gameloading

http://www.blizzard.com/press/



Just read all the press release, you'll see that NA numbers are rising and rising.

Rogue420

Originally posted by Gameloading

http://www.blizzard.com/press/



Just read all the press release, you'll see that NA numbers are rising and rising.

The press release was before TBC came out.

alyndale

Originally posted by MrTumN3s

 WoW is finally DIEING! People are getting bored of the high level grinds, and about time. I quit a long time, but recently i have been seeing people quitting day and day. What could be the cause of this? A horrible expansion pack that only added in two lazy races and one big chunk of land? The Next Gen MMO's ? Whatever it may be, and maybe you've been seeing is a lot lately, but people have been complaining about WoW regardless of the reasons.

You stopped playing and yet you claim to have "seen" people quitting?



Fascinating, as Mr. Spock would say...



Always a few kiddos out there with no homework and too much time on their hands...



Rave on WoW haters...  Hahahahahaaaaa!  

Gameloading

Originally posted by Rogue420

Originally posted by Gameloading

http://www.blizzard.com/press/



Just read all the press release, you'll see that NA numbers are rising and rising.

The press release was before TBC came out. oh and you think, despite the fact that TBC received great scores everywhere, that people suddenly left in mass amounts? yeah, just keep telling yourself that. besides, Blizzard has so many subscribers, it will outlive all mmorpg's released in 2 years from now.

sartorius

Originally posted by Gameloading

And why exactly would WoW be dying in the US right now? Blizzard reports tell us the subscirber base is rising, not dropping. saying WoW is dying is based on ..well, nothing actually.

 

That right there is enough to get me to not believe the reports or the numbers.  I'm sure Blizzard, and every other MMO company that eixsts today or has ever existed for that matter, has never fudged numbers.  Maybe if it came from a non-sponsored outside source I might give it the benefit of the doubt, but even then it would most likely be based on information given by the company in question and that in itself leaves the findings questionable.

I can still remember the time when MMOs actually made the server population numbers available to the public via websites, now all you get is low/light,  medium, heavy/full - and those are all based on unpublicized server limit numbers put in place by the companies, there's no hard set numbers readily availab;e to the public to equate them to anymore.

Sadly, the only way to ever tell for sure if a game is dying is on the day the company shuts down the servers forever.

EDIT: I'm not saying the game is dying, but you have to admit the problem of basing anything on information released by the game's company itself.

coffee

Originally posted by Rogue420

Originally posted by Gameloading

http://www.blizzard.com/press/



Just read all the press release, you'll see that NA numbers are rising and rising.

The press release was before TBC came out.

Well first offf I see no point in this thread other than to flame, but no game last forever but WoW has grown over the last 2 years and I dont mean a few 100 a month its been a few 100,000 every month for the last 2 years so even IF wow pop is decreasing its not like its a massive decline every day.... WoW will be around for years to come with a very healthy population in all regions.



the last blizz press release was march 7th www.blizzard.com/press/070307-wwi.shtml , about 6 weeks after TBC release and that stated along side record breaking sales that the population of Wow had increased (up 500,000 from the last press release just before TBC launch www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml and BTW the expansion is not avaliable in china, so those rises are mostly in NA & EU), 2.4million copies of TBC sold in 24 hours is insane. 



I should also post this because some hater will sure to come here to say "yeah but most of those have quit or are trials" here is the blizz subscriber definition.



World of Warcraft^®'s Subscriber Definition

World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.



I dont play WoW any more but even if EU population drops to just 1 million in a years time.. is that realy a problem? i'll be playing WAR so I realy couldn't care, I had my 1.5 years of WoW and enjoyed it.

D4rv3n

Well I'd say WoW isn't dieing cuz every month at least 200,000 acc are being activated/added

MrTumN3s

proof?

Gameloading

Originally posted by sartorius

Originally posted by Gameloading

And why exactly would WoW be dying in the US right now? Blizzard reports tell us the subscirber base is rising, not dropping. saying WoW is dying is based on ..well, nothing actually.

 

That right there is enough to get me to not believe the reports or the numbers.  I'm sure Blizzard, and every other MMO company that eixsts today or has ever existed for that matter, has never fudged numbers.  Maybe if it came from a non-sponsored outside source I might give it the benefit of the doubt, but even then it would most likely be based on information given by the company in question and that in itself leaves the findings questionable.

I can still remember the time when MMOs actually made the server population numbers available to the public via websites, now all you get is low/light,  medium, heavy/full - and those are all based on unpublicized server limit numbers put in place by the companies, there's no hard set numbers readily availab;e to the public to equate them to anymore.

Sadly, the only way to ever tell for sure if a game is dying is on the day the company shuts down the servers forever.

EDIT: I'm not saying the game is dying, but you have to admit the problem of basing anything on information released by the game's company itself.

Problem? what problem? Do you think Blizzard can just make up subscribtion numbers? Gravity corporation thought they could do that (Gravity is the company behind Ragnarok Online, one of the most succesfull MMO's worldwide). They were sued for releasing misleading subscribtion numbers.



If you look at the press releases, you can clearly see who is considered a subscriber, and who isn't.

Steakpuncher

Lets bulk up the "WoW is dying" arguement with some overstated numbers and see where the calculations take us. Lets assume the following.



EDITED IN NOTE: The numbers posted below are entirely fictional. It is based on the concept of 100 players quitting on 100 different servers and each of those players removing a sunbscribing account from Blizzards total amount. This would be a total of 10,000 cancelled accounts. Like I said, they are fictional numbers and are in no way accurate or real, they are merely an estimate of a worst case scenario. The reason im being so entirely thurough in stating this is because some people were unable to grasp the concept of overstating and over estimating and decided to argue with me despite the fact they were making the same point as me. Hopefully this information will stop people from repeating this stupid mistake.



Lets assume someone plays on 100 different servers

They know another 99 people on each of those servers who recently quit

These numbers are overstated to hell.



100 players x 100 servers = 10,000

(10,000 / 8500000)x100 = 0.1% of WoW total player base quit.



I recently quit WoW after months of kinda hanging around being bored, but that was a personal decision. None of my guild left and none of my friends have left. I know people can't wait for WoW to fail, because once Blizzard post the "WoW has closed" message the games they play, or are waiting to play instantly become 100% more enjoyable for some reason. The ironic thing is, if for some reason Blizzard did close WoW and shut everything down, your could bet your life that this site + many other would be flooded with complaints about all the "ex-wow" players in their game.



WoW however IS a big game, but its also probably one of a rare breed. They have managed to get in everything a game needs, but they haven't been able to provide enough substance behind it. The hardcore PvP'ers will be the first to leave WoW because the PvP has little depth to it. Next to leave will be the casuals who have an enjoyable game up to 70, but then it kinda trails off for them. Eventually the raiders will dissapate into other games because they want something entirely fresh. These are not going to happen all of a sudden in a months time. Its probably going to be years of slow filtering out that removes players from the game.



The thing is after all this happens you can count on the fact Blizzard will use the cash they have made, the skills they have learnt and probably a new setting and style of gaming to launch the next big thing. Blizzard have a massive grip on this market now, and although WoW may eventually die, that grip of the market can be easily sustained for a hell of a lot longer.