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They dont have much to lose, heven if they lost 500k, that i dont beleve the game is seling prety well( verry well like you can nee in the OP), they will have 16 times more population than the most populated game made in US (EQ) at his prime.
Um.... I said...
" By the time Planes of Power hit, EQ was in it's prime.
Planes of Power was the FOURTH expansion... and EQ was GROWING throughout.
It did not see it's first real peak and decline until after Gates of Discord... the 7th expansion..."
Okay, Gates of Discord came out Feb, 2004...
So... basically... yes that is EXACTLY what I said...
The decline of EQ in the last 2 years has been CONSIDERABLY slower than the just after Gates decline... and has been, in fact, fairly a constant population month to month for the last 2 years.
Read your own links and you will confirm this.
You can be a moronic fanboy all you want, but do not restate the very things I already said and then try to act like you are saying something different.
The bottom line... HOW many people do you see ON THIS VERY SITE that detest WoW and have left it???
You do not need to see some lethargic third party's GUESSTIMATION of WoW to know people are leaving. Log into the game, check the guilds are are a part of, and you can see for yourself, 2-4% of the endgamers have evaporated. It is a hard fact. Is 2% alot? NO. 2% is nothing really...
But it is 2% loss where EverQuest has a HUGE GROWTH after the first expansion.
This is not the nail in the coffin, Fanboy... but it is a sign of things to come.
I dont belive this game is losing subs.(see OP to know why)
If you see Lineage it peked 3M and it needed Lineage 2 and 4 years to lose 1.5M, and today, this game with 9 years have 1.5M players and it never had 8.5Msubs, if it had imagine how many subs it wold had today.
No other game in 9 years detroned Lineage exept WoW, so you can expect for 28 years to another game take WoW´s place, in MMO´s trone.
People forguet that MMO´s are games that never stop to de developed, and they can sustain people for a long time
WoW dying ? no not dying any brain dead moron can see that. Is its population descreasing ? Yup it is but I am sure its still making a tidy profit for Blizzard and will for a couple more years yet. For the first time In 6 months I looked at the realm levels for NA after my son re upped his account. I saw a great many full and high rated population servers. About the same low to medium rated servers when the last time I checked.
btw most all bashing WoW for the type of players it has are they themselves the same kiddies they bash. You will pollute the other games coming out just as you did WoW
You can call me fanboy but im just not blind, i myself played EQ and i left it, and all my guild, and my frieds, that mens EQ have 0 players? no
WoW loses players everyday, but it gets new players everyday, you didnt saw my OP????????? you want to see another link see best buy http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat99100050041&type=category WoW in 2md place.
*shrug*
Well fanboy... you can believe what you will...
I suppose every single person that has said on this site they left WoW must be lying.
As I said, 2% is not going to kill WoW tomorrow. But it is the start of a trend. You can hide from it, you can hate it, you can resent it, and you can deny it. But your views do not change facts.
And BTW... EQ does NOT get new players every day... if it did, then it would not be declining.
New EQ players are fairly rare these days. As I said, I spent 8 long, wonderful years with EQ. I know the game inside and out. The new players? They do not occur often at all.
Heck, I 4 boxed EQ for the last 2 years I played... if I was not raiding, my t friend and I had our 7 accounts running, just because we could... 2 PC, 4 accounts... I KNOW EQ...
Unfortunately, I also know WoW. My pally is 70, fully Kara Heal Geared and fully Arena Tank Geared. I am not guessing about any of this. I am not reading a third party website and seeing only what I want to see from their numbers, like a fanboy. I have been in there, and seen clearly myself. I do not HATE WoW and want it dead. I DO wish Blizz would be less weak in the backbone, and guide the game rather than caving in on players whining and nerfing crap all the time... but this will not happen.
But do the math... if WoW lost 4% of it's players... and gained a NEW 2%... it still lost 2% overall...
Now to EQ, 2% would matter not a all now...
but 2% of what Blizz makes a month off WoW now would pay for a small island somplace. They feel it.
At any rate, you believe whatever you will. Arguing with a fanboy is useless. And you ARE a Fanboy, as you admitted already.
Man this site is used for people that are looking for games(most of), is obvious you will find many people here that left the most known MMO. and this site only have 600k members, and many of thous accounts are 2nd and 3rd accounts for fanboys over rate their games at front page, or many forgoten accounts.
But if all the 600k accounts are active it will be 1/16 of WoW´s population.
And if WoW have 8.5M subs at one time, beleve me they have sold the doble of the boxes.So you will have another 8.5M playes that tried and jumped the game.
See for exemple EQ piked 550k and sold 3.5M boxes
Lineage + lineage 2 piked 4.5M and sold 43M boxes
See this link for prove http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games and see that im am not the fan boy, but you are the blind hater
And by the way, i am giving you facts(links) you are giving me no prof of nothing, you are just suposing
*Edit wrong link
no wow2? please who are you kidding. there may not be wow2 planned for now, but when technology starts jumping ahead and mmorpgs of the future start seriously being a improvement(which is basically the same thing as this gen unfortunately), and that all the current mmos are in a joint state of abandonment leave for the newer games? That's when they'd start talks about it
Of course they aren't planning on a wow2 atm because wow1 is owning every other mmo out there combined. Sure there are a ton of people leaving wow, and they post here, because there are a TON of people playing and going in, if you honestly don't think people are leaving the other games as well, then your deluding yourself, and their numbers aren't dropping radically despite the really low new player income, say look at your guilds look at your friend list... I can do that in ANY game, people disapear ALL the time. But at the same time i can see new people hitting 70 every day, and it's pretty balanced.
10 years from now, who's to say there won't be a wow2, just saying "There won't be a wow2 evar!!!!!!" is pretty much just being in denial. Blizzard isn't dumb, they know their 3 franchises are a cash cow, with wow being... WOW. wows going downhill... During one of the blizz events they will unveil a wow2 and people will be like /zomg. They kept sc2 a "secret" for a long time. Blizzard would never flat out say, ya we will make a wow2 in the future.
And you can't judge this website for a "omg everyones leaving wow", the active users of mmorpg.com are less then the euro wow servers by themselves.
WoW will never die, i'm sorry but it won't, it will dwindle, and it'll settle down into being one of the smaller games while another giant rules the market. While all the hateboys have naked dance orgies being like /zomg it got what was coming to it! It will average out over time, dieing tho? perhaps but by that time games will be advanced enough wow is to those games as uo is to gears of war(technologically)
First off, I really like your Avatar, He looks really neat. I think there wont be a WoW 2, not saying ever because that is an extreme statement, but for graphics and gameplay upgrades I think there will be patches and expansions that will do it. And to say WoW will never die is extreme, i know you like the game, I think it would be a little more correct to say it will have a long lifespan, and who's to know, how many people do you know can preict eh future?
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I think we will see in the next 6 months server merges. Not wide spread, but a few here and there. I also would venture to guess that we will not see anymore NA/EU subscriber announcements from Blizzard.
Actually as seen here:
http://www.blizzard.com/press/
Not a single new press release mentioning subscriber numbers since March of 2007. Up until that point they mentioned subscriber numbers in all the World of Warcraft press releases. Even the ones that weren't specifically about the game, such as the movie announcement and the E3 announcement about the expansion, but then in the May 2007 press release about the new World of Warcraft credit card they don't make a single announcement about their subscription numbers. Now of course that could mean nothing or that coupled with the fact that no new numbers being released in 3 months could mean they are losing players.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
First off, I really like your Avatar, He looks really neat. I think there wont be a WoW 2, not saying ever because that is an extreme statement, but for graphics and gameplay upgrades I think there will be patches and expansions that will do it. And to say WoW will never die is extreme, i know you like the game, I think it would be a little more correct to say it will have a long lifespan, and who's to know, how many people do you know can preict eh future?
While i do find wow a "fun game" i will state that i did quit it because i "disliked the way raids are handled". just to state that again.
The problem with updating a game infinitely, is that you can't change the game without....totally remaking it. The engine just can't handle too much alteration. Graphics can be upgraded, but not on the scale that would be expected, you cant take a game like wow and turn it into gears of war. Gameplay as well. They could rebalance the skills make it feel differently, but it'd be a real disaster when working within limits. It's also why city of heroes doesn't add features it wants to add. It just can't be done in the engine.
The thing we have to realize is that graphics have a peak point, games won't continue being more and more realistic, eventually they WILL be photo realistic. But it's already getting "up there" in the big graphics games. 10 more years... 30 more years. Yes wow will be a thing of the past in 30 years, but so will the ps3, 360, dx10, vista, all of it will be history.
Specifically stating wow will die in 30 years is really a -hateboy- topic. Instead say, AGE OF CONAN IS DIEING!!!! YOU HEAR ME AGE OF CONAN IS GONNA CLOSE ITS SERVERS DOWN SOON!!!!....in 30 years!
oh and ya the guy in my avatar is neat... and he wears green! i've grown tired of heroes in blue and red!! gimme green!
They are merging batlegrounds not servers, this was asked in zilions of treds on oficial forums by player subs, for a long time.It have nothing to do with empty servers.
Every server in WoW can stand 3.9k players in one server and they merged full servers so you could join 40 person BG´s faster, and you are teling me now that they are meging because they are losing players and they dont have 80 players to do BG`s??? (server capacity was raised from 3.2k to 3.9k wen BC came out.Server capacity at relese was 2.5k, so its normal that you see some servers that used to be full are now medium,btw i noticed on last month that many medium servers are geting now full on EU servers)
Dude... no wait... ASSHAT... I have given valid numbers, accurate numbers YOUR OWN FRIGGIN LINKS SUPPORT. Are you really THAT stupid????
My links dont show WoW losing subs like you said it was.
Dude... no wait... ASSHAT... I have given valid numbers, accurate numbers YOUR OWN FRIGGIN LINKS SUPPORT. Are you really THAT stupid????
Why do you have to be so degrading, If he is making you mad, leave it alone or respond in a polite manor. You will just get yourself flamed, and tell me is it worth it?
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They are merging batlegrounds not servers, this was asked in zilions of treds on oficial forums by player subs, for a long time.It have nothing to do with empty servers.
Every server in WoW can stand 3.9k players in one server and they merged full servers so you could join 40 person BG´s faster, and you are teling me now that they are meging because they are losing players and they dont have 80 players to do BG`s??? (server capacity was raised from 3.2k to 3.9k wen BC came out.Server capacity at relese was 2.5k, so its normal that you see some servers that used to be full are now medium,btw i noticed on last month that many medium servers are geting now full on EU servers)
You don't seem to follow. Before there was no problem. They designed the Battlegroups with the amount of players that were on each server. Now they don't have enough players for 2 different battlegroups to field good queue times. So they merge the battlegroups. That allows for faster queue times. It doesn't take empty servers to cause this problem. All it takes is a fairly small loss in subscription numbers to cause the problem (relatively speaking of course) But a loss did happen.Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Dude... no wait... ASSHAT... I have given valid numbers, accurate numbers YOUR OWN FRIGGIN LINKS SUPPORT. Are you really THAT stupid????
My links dont show WoW losing subs Of course not. Because every person that ever quit WoW is a liar, and you know this from 3rd party analysis that means nothing.
Guyver is right, you aren't worth the time it takes to talk to you.
I'll tell ya why. You PvP hardcore types are a small minority...small. We casual gamers, or carebears as you like to call us are the majority here. We will see to the survival of all games designed with us in mind. Warhammer tiny population of hardcore no life gamers vs WoW with huge population of casual/carebear gamers.....hmm you lose again.
I don't have to have numbers. I don't have to have facts. I have the WoW servers speak for me.
Warhammer isn't going to even scratch that 8 million subs WoW has.
Hardcore PvPers can keep dreaming in there little fantasy world where all games are catered to them, but they eventually awaken to the realization that It is we carebears who are catered to. Amen to that.
Raven
edit: Raven... what are you 12? First off you have a "hard-core" status member on this website so saying all hardcore pvpers waste their life makes me LAFF. Anyway, you gotta lay off your whole "carebears ftw" mentality because its getting old. Congratulations, Blizzard is a genius company and they attracted people who don't know the first thing about gaming and ruined many a lives because of this. You on the other hand are a hypocritical youngin' who needs to learn his place.
edit again: oh you have ELITE status.
I'll tell ya why. You PvP hardcore types are a small minority...small. We casual gamers, or carebears as you like to call us are the majority here. We will see to the survival of all games designed with us in mind. Warhammer tiny population of hardcore no life gamers vs WoW with huge population of casual/carebear gamers.....hmm you lose again.
I don't have to have numbers. I don't have to have facts. I have the WoW servers speak for me.
Warhammer isn't going to even scratch that 8 million subs WoW has.
Hardcore PvPers can keep dreaming in there little fantasy world where all games are catered to them, but they eventually awaken to the realization that It is we carebears who are catered to. Amen to that.
Raven Okay dude... I am guessing that you have been straight owned in PvP endlessly, and thus you hate PvPers. All hardcore players are not all about PvP. Get over it.
Dude... no wait... ASSHAT... I have given valid numbers, accurate numbers YOUR OWN FRIGGIN LINKS SUPPORT. Are you really THAT stupid????
My links dont show WoW losing subsOf course not. Because every person that ever quit WoW is a liar, and you know this from 3rd party analysis that means nothing.
Guyver is right, you aren't worth the time it takes to talk to you.
You dont understand my links do you????
My post ment that probably WoW have lost millions of players because it probably sold 15M+ boxes, like you can see in EQ(4.5M boxes) and lineage(43M boxes), but you have 8.5M of thous 15M+ players that tried the game.
And guyver was tring to tell you, that you are being rude,to change the way you do it,other way no one that sees your rude posts will take you seriously.
You cant defeat me in this teme, plese stop the wining and to be rude, and assume the facts.
Just stop, you are 32 (i am assuming), can you please act like it. You are provoking him. Just end it now, I completely agree with what you are saying. But just leave it alone, i mean you are just making the situation worst. When he responds to you just ignore it, dont respond, block him if need be, but both of your behaviors are very immature and its behavior like this is what pollutes forums. I am not trying to bash you, just examing your behavior and telling you how to better handle the situation
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WoW is dying (or at least for me)
once Wow dies for good then LotRO will take it's place
beware all ye who enter
they are realy bad
slowplaced combat isnt good
aoc is a game for kids..boobz blood and gore lol
Interesting ... your basing your answer on something not yet completed. When beta is over and the game is official and released and you see wow numbers fall by the thousands fast then come on back and have a chat.. Just remember look at the meters warhammer is the highest being waited on and where is wow on the other chart i see lotr and eq2 interesting ...
WOW PLAYERS THE CLOCK IS TICKING AND YOUR TIME IS UP FEB 1 2008
gO MYTHIC gO!
exactly not yet completed^^type warhammer online in youtube..and watch sloooooow fighting
looks like wow too..but slowerTalk about Troll posting desparado. What you desperate to downplay War's PvP because you fear for the child frendly PvP in WoW
they are realy bad
slowplaced combat isnt good
aoc is a game for kids..boobz blood and gore lol
Interesting ... your basing your answer on something not yet completed. When beta is over and the game is official and released and you see wow numbers fall by the thousands fast then come on back and have a chat.. Just remember look at the meters warhammer is the highest being waited on and where is wow on the other chart i see lotr and eq2 interesting ...
WOW PLAYERS THE CLOCK IS TICKING AND YOUR TIME IS UP FEB 1 2008
gO MYTHIC gO!
exactly not yet completed^^type warhammer online in youtube..and watch sloooooow fighting
looks like wow too..but slowerTalk about Troll posting desparado. What you desperate to downplay War's PvP because you fear for the child frendly PvP in WoW
i left wow
its over 1 year now..i didnt bought even burning crusade
so what is your problem exactly?^^
i play only gw sometimes now..not coz its so good..but i have it on my harddisk allmost 2 years..