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Hmm, ok first off, I didn't have any problems with PVP. I guess anyone who sees me complaining about the pvp system would like to assume that, but it's not the case. I dont know though, everyone on my server either sucked or I was just really good at pvp(sort of how it was on everquest too). Anyway, even though I was better than 99% of everyone on my server, could I kill more than 2 people? If I got lucky, and if they sucked, yes. Is it possible to beat 2 reasonably skilled players at the same time? Yes, but the probability is very low. Believe me I have killed 2-3 people before, but only because of the burst DPS paladins used to have.
I don't think the 12 seconds is long. Sure y ou could heal up and even chase someone down with DS up, but who cares, once it is down, if there are people near you, you are dead anyway.
Yeah, people have to do world pvp, but blizzard basically eliminated any incentive to participate(and even punished you for doing it for more than a year).
I dont have a problem with having to get new gear and PVE. But the fact that some newbie who never PVEd or PVPd in his life can go solo a 5 minute newbie quest and have better gear than what took my guild hundreds of hours of raiding? That is complete bullshit. Anyone who steps back from WoW and looks at why they did it realizes it was just to get all the softcore newbies to buy their expansion. Its pretty much like this : "Do you want to have gear that you could have never possibly gotten before(because you are too lazy to go raid AQ or Naxx)?" Ok, buy our expansion, and do a trivial stupid quest to get better gear. I don't even understand why they put the quests in, they might as well have just gave the gear out to people who bought the expansion, that 's how obvious it is.
SagaBoy, you list all these progressions for the non expansion WoW, no shit? I beat every instance you listed. No shit it is progression. Then you buy the expansion pac and this is your progression. Level 60 -> Better gear than people who beat Naxx. WoW, they completely bypass any progression that was originally in the game.
Everquest made more sense, you generally had to beat the previous expansion in order to beat the next expansion.
You made a few valid points, especially about how EQ releases expansions every 5 minutes. It was retarded, and I hated Sony for it. I did quit the game when I realized how much it sucked. On a side note, I don't think expansions are even necessary. TBC was just a big patch in reality(that cost 30 or whatever). Like with EQ, I quit WoW when I realized how boring it was logging in and doing their PvE and PvP. (Btw, PvE is a little more fun when you know that what you get from PvE will be superior to what other players get from doing skill-less BGs, and it's more fun when you know blizzard wont make your gear obsolete every expansion).
Lol asmith, I put together a few capital raids too. Mainly random people from Ironforge though. Then I join a "hardcore" pve guild and they are afraid to go into orgrimmar due to honor hits.
Oh btw, even if you think that 2 second pvp is real fun, why don't you think about how meaningless it is? There is no sense of accomplishment when you kill someone in WoW, because they just respawn a few seconds later and come back to attack you. Dying is so frequent in WoW PVP that it has become meaningless for one player to beat another. Even when you beat someone in WoW, it doesn't feel like you've won anything. It's like you kill an NPC sort of, and you gotta kill it again to get more exp. lmao
People should stop assuming that people who think WoWs PVP system is garbage are people who had any trouble with it. It's just a broken, lousy system designed for people who suck at PVP to give them some sort of timesink so they keep playing WoW.
watch the language. everyone has their opinions respect that.
4 Words - Dark Age of Camelot. Atleast you can catch up on some of Mythic's material before they release WAR.
lol your posts reek of Hypocrisy, i especially love this quote "It's just a broken, lousy system designed for people who suck at PVP to give them some sort of timesink so they keep playing WoW."
the irony is you would rather play eq style pvp where you are unkillable by anyone that does not have the endgame pve gear you have. you need to be unkillable to have fun in pvp? you need to have a huge advantage over the players you pvp against? talk about skilless
it takes no skill in eq to take on an entire group in eq by yourself and you would rather have that over wow? you may claim you are so much better than everyone els at pvp but i really doubt it judging by your posts.
wow's honor system is garbage, but using eq as an example of a good pvp system is freaking amazing. eq was a pve game with pvp patched into it and it was quite obvious in its crappy patched in pvp system.
nah he wont be happy with that, there is no raid gear to make him unkillable. he need to just go back to eq and play on the pvp server in my opinion. there's no game that will ever be that unbalanced in pvp ever again and that is what he wants.
Lol. The sad part is, EQs patched in PVP was more fun than WoW. When you kill someone, they dont come attack you 10 seconds later.. lol
WoW has NO PVP. That is basically the problem with it. Battlegrounds aren't really what i'd consider PVP. You just fight them in a controlled environment for no reason really (just honor). How about fighting players over control of zones, or over NPCs? That is real PVP, like what EQ had. Guilds fought each other for control of zones.. So yeah it's pretty sad to see a game that is supposed to be both PVE and PVP be worse than EQ at both.
I didn't say you should be able to kill everyone just with gear. I'm saying if people didn't do any PVE then they should be at a significant disadvantage vs a highly geared player. Sadly, that is not the case.. Maybe you can take on 2 newbs at most, but more than that is kind of hard. Characters should be able to beat more than 2 people( or at least not die in a few seconds vs them ).
I'd take EQs unbalanced REAL pvp system over WoWs artificial garbage system anyday. Even with manaburn, death touch etc. it is still more enjoyable. It had no rewards other than the fact that you beat the other player/team and have bragging rights etc. But that is a lot more than I can say for WoW. WoWs PVP is like their PVE, repetitive & boring. Lets have newbies respawn every 5 seconds to attack you over and over. And you can keep killing them too. Real fun
WOW SUCKS!thats why blizzard has made billions off of it right?
nah he wont be happy with that, there is no raid gear to make him unkillable. he need to just go back to eq and play on the pvp server in my opinion. there's no game that will ever be that unbalanced in pvp ever again and that is what he wants.
I want a game where you dont die in one whirlwind, or in one mage nuke. Is that unreasonable? WoWs developers were too incompetent to come up with anything that would be balanced for long-term pvp combat. That is why you have instant fights.
Yes, it does. Most people who play WoW are a) waiting for another MMORPG or b) they havent realized how bad WoWs endgame sucks
nah that isn't true, the best gear in the game for pvp in arena gear. not only that but people with pvp gear have a ton more hp and resilience than the pve gear. but yeah other than arenas the pvp is a joke.
nah that isn't true, the best gear in the game for pvp in arena gear. not only that but people with pvp gear have a ton more hp and resilience than the pve gear. but yeah other than arenas the pvp is a joke.
I suppose you think that it's fair for people who suck at the game but play all day to get the best PvP gear too, right? Thats who the PvP system is designed for IMO
I think it's more like blizzard figured out that people were smart enough for the most part to not waste countless hours rading the same mob to get everyone the same piece of gear and made more casual friendly quests to attack the smart player that doesn't want to waste all their time raiding. Thats actually a great move.
As for PvP your reward is to beat the other person. What do you want? Do you want the other person to suffer and have to wait a long period of time before they can actually rejoin and have some fun again? Your right it's pointless, but all games are pointless in the long run. They are just there to entertain you.
[quote]Originally posted by Ginkeq
I want a game where you dont die in one whirlwind, or in one mage nuke. Is that unreasonable? WoWs developers were too incompetent to come up with anything that would be balanced for long-term pvp combat. That is why you have instant fights.[/b][/quote]
no it isn't to unreasonable but complaining that you cant wipe multiple people by yourself or saying you should have huge advantages in pvp by using pve gear is unreasonable in my opinion.
but if you are dying in one ww or one mage nuke then something is definitely not right, if you want long fights i would suggest giving the 5v5 arena fights a chance, they can last a while sometimes.
nah that isn't true, the best gear in the game for pvp in arena gear. not only that but people with pvp gear have a ton more hp and resilience than the pve gear. but yeah other than arenas the pvp is a joke.
I suppose you think that it's fair for people who suck at the game but play all day to get the best PvP gear too, right? Thats who the PvP system is designed for IMO
obviously you haven't done your research on arenas, you only need to do 10 matches per week to be qualified for arena points. it is based of teamwork, skill, and gear, the better your team the faster you get your item upgrades.
but i don't see how doing endgame raids and getting 10x better gear than everyone els is any better than grinding all day for honor, not saying grinding for honor is a good system because it is not but at least it involves pvp, heh.
It just gets kind of boring when its the same person you're killing, dont you think? I dont want them to suffer, but I dont want to have to fight them every few seconds. That's the problem with their BGs, and their PVP system. If WoWs PVP was longer (like EQs), maybe it would be more enjoyable to win a battle, because it's not something you can do in a matter of nanoseconds. That's just my opinion though. I guess some people actually think diablo style pvp is fun, where no matter what class you are, you can die in a few hits and kill someone in a few hits.
Naxx was extremely challenging, and to give out that gear to people for free just because they bought an expansion is ridiculous. Very hard PVE encounter gear should be near top of the line regardless of what expansion it was from.
nah that isn't true, the best gear in the game for pvp in arena gear. not only that but people with pvp gear have a ton more hp and resilience than the pve gear. but yeah other than arenas the pvp is a joke.
I suppose you think that it's fair for people who suck at the game but play all day to get the best PvP gear too, right? Thats who the PvP system is designed for IMO
obviously you haven't done your research on arenas, you only need to do 10 matches per week to be qualified for arena points. it is based of teamwork, skill, and gear, the better your team the faster you get your item upgrades.
but i don't see how doing endgame raids and getting 10x better gear than everyone els is any better than grinding all day for honor, not saying grinding for honor is a good system because it is not but at least it involves pvp, heh.
I think it's a stupid idea to base any game on PVP. People know the PVP system in WOW is lousy, yet they play it because of the rewards. It is boring etc. The raids were more enjoyable to me than WoW pvp, and I did really enjoy pvp on SZ(everquest). I think games need to have a bigger PVE aspect than PVP. In wow, you can totally ignore PvE and just do BGs, but people only do that because they don't want to try beating the PVE endgame.
Grinding honor all day is the most boring thing ever. I don't think people should get rewarded for doing something that causes boredom to 99% of people who do it.
Btw, you could probably just put gear in the game that is obtained through fishing. Make it the best gear for PVP or something, and people would spend all day fishing, even though it is extremely boring. So the fact that people PVP in WoW doesn't mean that the PvP system isn't garbage
Yes, it does. Most people who play WoW are a) waiting for another MMORPG or b) they havent realized how bad WoWs endgame sucks
Or they just like a simple, easy-to-play game that runs well even on low-end computers. There's no learning curve, it's easily mastered, you can throw the manual away as soon as you open the box and you'll never be lost. It doesn't run any better or look much better on my current computer than it did on the computer I built four years ago.The average person doesn't have the patience or brainpower for the complex systems of most MMORPGs. MMORPGs were almost exclusively played by geeks until Blizzard introduced a game so simple even a retarded monkey could grasp it, and millions of retarded monkeys signed up right away.
As far as games go, there's nothing wrong with WoW (aside from the millions of retarded monkeys). It's just simple, and won't really make you think. It doesn't satisfy me in the way EQ2 satisfies me, but it's still a fun game.
I agree with you about it being brainless. When my guild was PVEing, we had infinite retries(except for repair costs). So, anyone could beat their instances if they had enough people who wanted to do it. I didn't find leveling in WoW fun, or their BGs really. The only thing that was fun was clearing out a zone we never beat. The next time we went back though, it was all trivial and boring. Eventually I quit the game because nothing was enjoyable (bgs, pveing, etc.)
sounds to me like anotehr rant from yet another gimp skill-less raider who can't compete in PVP without that HUGE advantage in the gear they use to have..lol get a life and move on already.
It just gets kind of boring when its the same person you're killing, dont you think? I dont want them to suffer, but I dont want to have to fight them every few seconds. That's the problem with their BGs, and their PVP system. If WoWs PVP was longer (like EQs), maybe it would be more enjoyable to win a battle, because it's not something you can do in a matter of nanoseconds. That's just my opinion though. I guess some people actually think diablo style pvp is fun, where no matter what class you are, you can die in a few hits and kill someone in a few hits.
Naxx was extremely challenging, and to give out that gear to people for free just because they bought an expansion is ridiculous. Very hard PVE encounter gear should be near top of the line regardless of what expansion it was from.
I'm not sure what to say about the PvP. I'm not a big PvP person myself. I just like to explore the casual freindly areas of the game.I understand that it sucks to lose all that time, but as I said they are figuring out the majority of their fan base is casual and they can more easily attrack more casual players through casual content. Players who like to play a lot will not be rewarded it appears. MMOs seem to be moving in that direction. There is more money to be had in people who micromanage their time with the rest of their lives. There are only a few who can spend hours grinding out raid instances over and over again. There are even fewer that want to do so IMO.
I swear this topic is really stupid.
Side Note: baphamet you wouldn't happen to be the same Baphamet. I remember from Shadowbane, use to run with House Lok`ri.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
sounds to me like anotehr rant from yet another gimp skill-less raider who can't compete in PVP without that HUGE advantage in the gear they use to have..lol get a life and move on already.
Yeah, because WoWs PVP was so extremely difficult to master.
It just gets kind of boring when its the same person you're killing, dont you think? I dont want them to suffer, but I dont want to have to fight them every few seconds. That's the problem with their BGs, and their PVP system. If WoWs PVP was longer (like EQs), maybe it would be more enjoyable to win a battle, because it's not something you can do in a matter of nanoseconds. That's just my opinion though. I guess some people actually think diablo style pvp is fun, where no matter what class you are, you can die in a few hits and kill someone in a few hits.
Naxx was extremely challenging, and to give out that gear to people for free just because they bought an expansion is ridiculous. Very hard PVE encounter gear should be near top of the line regardless of what expansion it was from.
I'm not sure what to say about the PvP. I'm not a big PvP person myself. I just like to explore the casual freindly areas of the game.I understand that it sucks to lose all that time, but as I said they are figuring out the majority of their fan base is casual and they can more easily attrack more casual players through casual content. Players who like to play a lot will not be rewarded it appears. MMOs seem to be moving in that direction. There is more money to be had in people who micromanage their time with the rest of their lives. There are only a few who can spend hours grinding out raid instances over and over again. There are even fewer that want to do so IMO.
100% right, and another thing they originally intended for the raid gear to just LOOK bad ass and not make a HUGE difference.The trouble was imo Tiggole and Furor (2 elitist tools from EQ1 raiding guilds) devs changing the direction they originally intended and go with the A typical raiding game.i'm sure if you look hard enough you can find the rant of these 2 losers somewhere on the net. i've seen it linked on the WoW forums before
Ginkeq I disagree. Why should the best gear come from one activity only and why should that activity be one which only a limited number of people are actually interested in. Why should those people that raid then dominate PvP? I'm not sure I agree PvE is harder than PvP either. Everything with a raid encounter is calculated, the test is one of leadership(whoever is leading), competancy and organization. Pvp you face skilled, unpredictable opponents and which can require teamwork. Unfortunately, this admittedly does seems to be diminished by equipment and the teamwork is scarcely found in most pugs.
wow isnt lousy it just got old
take a new player who never played mmorpgs and the best game you could
recommend to him is wow right now
btw i didnt read the whole bs
couse im tired of the same complains all the time
if you dont like it, dont play
that simple
also i played it long enough to know what i'm talking about
got a 70 rogue stopped at the endgame couse its stupid and repetitive
(running same content(instance) over and over
for an virtual item -wtf? there tons of funnier ways to waste my time)
oh and complaining about the game here is as stupid as me writing this stuff here
-both will have no impact
its just im bored right now well whatever im gone hf
Pi*1337/100 = 42