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Unfortunalty neither of these things become interesting when you hit 70 althought great fun while leveling up. But you can see that blizz is putting in the ground work and experimenting with PVP ideas.. purhaps the next expansion with be PvP to compete with WAR and AOC.
I'll agree with the OP on 1 point, PvP needs more of a reason to engage in battle... other than that the Pace/Balance is just fine IMHO.
If you don't like the PvP in WoW nor GW mabye WAR will satisfy you but imo stick to FPS's and RTS's.
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lol you got to keep in mind that wow is one of the oldest top played game.of caurse its beginning to show sign
of age ,still one of the top tho.i have a question why is it still almost if not top played and at the same time its not top rated here baffles me. for this summer i ll stick to guildwars cause that game always has a lot of people playing be it summer or winter espacialy now with the money they give for the top team.so till you get SERIOUS BLIZZARD we ll just have to wait to get another time card.
hey i don't disagree with any of that except that there is one thing you have to consider. not everyone can devote a set time to a raiding schedule. some people would probably love to beat the wow end game but just don't have the time or cannot find a group that raids in the time frame they can play.
but other than that i agree with this post, the honor system is garbage and the only reason people do it is for the gear. but like i said, at least there is the arena witch is pretty decent IMO. its not perfect by any means but it sure as hell is a lot better than that crap they call the honor system.
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i think you are missing the point, its not that the pvp in wow or any mmog is difficult to master. but it sure as hell not difficult when your gear is literally 10x better than the person you are fighting, even though they are the same level as you.
let me ask you this Ginkeq, why do you enjoy pvp? is it because you like the challenge and thrill of beating another player in combat? or do you just enjoy being superior to other players and virtually unkillable?
i just don't understand why you would want pvp like eq had, it was beyond terrible.
WoW "is lousy" because it's popular, and people on the internet love tearing down the popular stuff.
Gear shouldnt be given out to people just because they play tha game a lot. It should be given out to the most skilled players. If blizzard is going to reward people who put in the most time in BGs, then that kind of gear should be much worse than what you can get from doing their PVE raids. I could see if Blizzard actually took the time and made a decent PVP system, then it might make sense to reward people. Atm though, it's purely time based(like it always was). At least raiding requires some kind of strategy.
Personally I think the pvp system only exists for all the people who are too dumb to put together PVE raids etc. Btw, to people saying PVP is for "casual people" who cant devote time to a raid.. wtf? Last time I played WoW their PVP system required more of a time investment to get an equal piece of loot you would get in a PVE instance. So, PVP is probably a bigger timesink than PVE, but it requires absolutely no skill to do their PVP.
Unfortunalty neither of these things become interesting when you hit 70 althought great fun while leveling up. But you can see that blizz is putting in the ground work and experimenting with PVP ideas.. purhaps the next expansion with be PvP to compete with WAR and AOC.
I'll agree with the OP on 1 point, PvP needs more of a reason to engage in battle... other than that the Pace/Balance is just fine IMHO.
I'm not talking about something stupid like a 5% exp bonus. I'm talking about putting the most difficult NPCs in the game in contested areas. That way, people have to fight each other to get the NPC. WoW completely seperated PVP and PVE. They put any decent NPC in an instance, put all those BGS in(which eliminated world pvp). What is wrong with putting NPCs in the open now? MMORPGs are boring without contested NPCs.
You're right, I quit after their flop expansion came out.
I don't like WoW because it's a lousy MMORPG. The only reason people play it I believe is because it's a kiddy MMORPG where everyone sits in the zone talking about linkin park music etc. Lol. If you like listening to 15 year olds on ventrilo 5 hours a night, WoW is for you.
3) Lol. They can tank now? Can they tank raid NPCs or offtank anything in raids? I remember in BWL that paladins couldnt even tank trash NPCs there without dying. You probably mean best multi target tank for trash mobs.
Find an MMO? They all suck, what can I say. EQ was probably the only decent MMORPG ever made, but then sucked ever since luclin was released.
Even though they may have removed those honor hit NPCs, that doesnt mean that world PVP is existant in WoW. The facts are, that its just not worth it to raid a town, kill their leader etc. You're better off just grinding taurens in battlegrounds for honor.
You havnt played in months... SO you just up and decided you felt like ranting about WoW? If I feel like ranting its generally due to somthing that heppened recently.
Lol yeah. It's sad to see 8 million or whatever playing such a lousy MMORPG. Hopefully new companies won't try to make WoW clones with their shit PvE and PvP systems. Honestly, with lousy pve and pvp in WoW, I wonder what keeps people playing. It is probably just the social aspects of it. Beating their game was so boring, since I knew that TBC would obsolete everythin I got.
WoW indeed.... Here is a thought... maybe 8 million people are RIGHT, and YOU are wrong?
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It's lousy because I played it and saw that it had nothing to do when you are at the endgame. I'm not the type of person who will sit in a BG 10 hours a day doing something I think is boring(killing the same people). Maybe if WoW developers had half a brain they would have moved it to a skill based system a long time ago.
PVE raiding = Brain dead monkeys following the direction of another monkey who got his strategies off the net.
Sorry raiding does not take more strategy other then organizing a raid in such a manner as to have people to show up on time. After that it's just a matter of time and gear. Does your raid have the right gear to survive the encounter and kill the mob ? If so you get the loot if not you have to go farm the other raid mobs until you all get geared up to break the raid group stats boundary to take down the raid boss.
There is a lot more skill involved in a 1v1 PvP fight then there are in scripted and stupid NPC raid fights.
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i think you are missing the point, its not that the pvp in wow or any mmog is difficult to master. but it sure as hell not difficult when your gear is literally 10x better than the person you are fighting, even though they are the same level as you.
let me ask you this Ginkeq, why do you enjoy pvp? is it because you like the challenge and thrill of beating another player in combat? or do you just enjoy being superior to other players and virtually unkillable?
i just don't understand why you would want pvp like eq had, it was beyond terrible.
I'm not saying make it exactly like EQ. But when you arent killing the same person 10 times in a minute, the pvp tends to be a little more enjoyable. I know some people dont mind it, but i find it boring. Not that I mind fighting people over, but the fact that you can kill or be killed so fast in WoW really ruins it for me. In everquest, we would have 50+ people in our guild fighting the other team for over 30/40 minutes. Most people who played EQ probably never experienced it, because the vast majority of the servers were blue. But I'm sure there must be other MMORPGs that had something similar.
To your second question - In WoW, it was trivial to beat almost anyone on the game. If I lost, it was because i was fighitng certain classes that I had a disadvantage against. So, mostly it's not thrilling. Plus when you can die so quickly how is that supposed to be fun? It's boring. PvP is meaningless in WoW. They put a honor system in..wow, but that doesn't make their PVP any more fun. As I said, fighting over NPCs is more meaningful than killing the same people over and over in some artificial instance.
Also, players with the best gear in the game should naturally have an advantage over other players. The problem with WoW is, you have that advantage, but it wont stop you from dying in a second when you are outnumbered. The whole thing is stupid really. It's like they couldnt think of how to balance a long duration fight so they just give every class enough burst dps skills to take out other players really fast.
Players shouldnt be gods, they should be very difficult to beat though. What other incentive is there to do repetitive PVE other than use it to destroy your opponents? At least people would ATTEMPT WoWs PvE rather than do mindless battlegrounds all day (which is what a good majority of guilds now do)
To the person in green, Real PVP = PVP that has a real objective. Fake PVP = WoW PvP = PvP where you fight over honor points
And yes there is no real pvp in WoW because everything is instanced (even their pvp).
Gear shouldnt be given out to people just because they play tha game a lot. It should be given out to the most skilled players. If blizzard is going to reward people who put in the most time in BGs, then that kind of gear should be much worse than what you can get from doing their PVE raids. I could see if Blizzard actually took the time and made a decent PVP system, then it might make sense to reward people. Atm though, it's purely time based(like it always was). At least raiding requires some kind of strategy.
Personally I think the pvp system only exists for all the people who are too dumb to put together PVE raids etc. Btw, to people saying PVP is for "casual people" who cant devote time to a raid.. wtf? Last time I played WoW their PVP system required more of a time investment to get an equal piece of loot you would get in a PVE instance. So, PVP is probably a bigger timesink than PVE, but it requires absolutely no skill to do their PVP.
PVE raiding = Brain dead monkeys following the direction of another monkey who got his strategies off the net.
Sorry raiding does not take more strategy other then organizing a raid in such a manner as to have people to show up on time. After that it's just a matter of time and gear. Does your raid have the right gear to survive the encounter and kill the mob ? If so you get the loot if not you have to go farm the other raid mobs until you all get geared up to break the raid group stats boundary to take down the raid boss.
There is a lot more skill involved in a 1v1 PvP fight then there are in scripted and stupid NPC raid fights.
Raids require more organization & unity than a 1v1 fight. When WoWs pvp system isnt time based, your point might be valid as well.
pretty much yeah. WoW is more addicting than everquest probably. Just because you're addicted to something doesnt mean it is still enjoyable to you. People dont want to leave what they have taken the time to get in WoW, so some (like you) will defend it and pretend that it's such a great game and the pve and pvp system is so fun etc. The truth is, if you ever actually experienced WoWs boring endgame, you would be saying the game sucks as well. It might be fun for a first timer leveling up to 70(or a person who never played an MMORPG), but then what? There's nothing at 70
What game doesn't get boring at the end? Eventually it gets monotonous if you play it too much. The endgame is a myth so if you judge a game by endgame then every MMO sucks. People say that sandbox is the answer, but thats a bunch of baloney. You will still get bored of the game mechanics and enviroment sooner or later. It happens with everything in life. Especially if you do it to often. If you enjoyed the content in WoW from 1-60 or 1-70 then I would say the game is a success. A lot of people enjoy that content so for a lot of people I would say it's a success.
I also have something to say about EQ. I played the game for about 5 years. The game was a lot of fun at times, but it was my second MMO and there was nothing else to go to at the time. It was a huge timesink game. Everything you did took many of your hours. Just waiting for your health to come back took forever. The classes were unbalenced with regards to PvP. The rogue/warrior couldn't really compete. I didn't play on a PvP server, but there were places where you could PvP. The durations for spells were gross. You would probably a Druid kiting everyone around with your 15 minute duration snare. Combat was grossly long. EQ wasn't a game made for PvP. It was all based around PvE content.
As far as raiding in EQ it was worse then WoW and took a lot longer. When I first played EQ there was no raiding and the game was great. It was so much better then. High level people would hang out in the newbie areas and buff the lower levels up. It was a great enviroment. WoW started that way as well with the only intances being Scholo/Strat/BRD/BRS/Onyxia. After Molten core everything went downhill. Raid content is a horrible thing and PvP causes the devs to not be able to balence content around groups because every class needs to be able to kill eachother. It's really a mess when you combine them all together.
Or maybe the 6.5 billion people on the planet who don't play WoW are right, and the 8 million are wrong.
Snares were easy to break(pumice, or use a direct dmg spell on yourself). Each class had their ups and downs in pvp. A good enough warrior could take over a zone, aoe and kill everyone standing near them(casters at least).
An MMORPG without an endgame isnt worth playing. And no, leveling to 60 wasnt fun. EQ was a game that begins at 60. WoW is a game that ends at 60. Maybe if WoW had a more enjoyable PvE or PVP system the endgame would be decent.
Snares were easy to break(pumice, or use a direct dmg spell on yourself). Each class had their ups and downs in pvp. A good enough warrior could take over a zone, aoe and kill everyone standing near them(casters at least).
An MMORPG without an endgame isnt worth playing. And no, leveling to 60 wasnt fun. EQ was a game that begins at 60. WoW is a game that ends at 60. Maybe if WoW had a more enjoyable PvE or PVP system the endgame would be decent.
I disagree with you. Snare didn't break from damage. That was root. A warrior with outstanding equipment might do okay at endgame, but they could only do so by raiding at nausium. To the point where you feel sick when you log in to raid. You get the nautious feeling in your stomach like why am I doing this?
As far as you not enjoying 1-60 thats fine. I loved the whole time from 1-60 and as I said I played EQ from when it first came out. I also played UO from when it first came out. I think the problem is you like to spend to much time playing the game. You just want to keep playing the same game over and over. In WoW you go through the game at a pretty fast pace. If you play a lot then it goes extremely fast. Then you whine that there is no content at the end. Sure EQ had raids and there were more of them, they were harder, and they took even longer, but who really cares? The raiding was to long and wasn't enjoyable after defeating it the first time anyway.
Endgame is a hoax to keep you playing. Enjoy the real content and character progression from 1-60 exploring new places. That is where the real fun is at.
Lol no. Fire spells break snare as well. You just have to cast it several times. Why are you arguing it even, you said you played a blue server...
As for taking 1-60 slow.. why? The content is boring, there is no reason to not level to 60... It only takes like a month to get a WoW character to 60. Some ppl just suck at MMORPGS and they take a year to do it.. But anyway.. there is nothing to do when you finally do reach the max level in WoW... If people played MMORPGS to quit at the max level, then no one would do anything when they are 70. People want to play their characters which they have invested their time into.. They dont want to keep making characters like some addicted people do(they realize the endgame sucks and just keep making new characters). If it had a decent endgame, people wouldnt do that and they would use the characters which they invested their time into.
Not everyone has a fire spell to cast and I wasn't aware of that. Considering how long I played the game thats pretty amazing. I have never seen snare break on any mob I cast it on.
Thats your opinion on the topic and you are welcome to it. People may want to spend more time on their characters, but as I said no MMO has endgame. Everyone gets bored of the same old thing after a while. Especially if you invested a lot of time in a short period. WoWs content from 1-60 was probably the most interesting I've had in any game I've played. Thats my opinion of course. The game was lots of fun to explore.
EQ was also fun to explore but it was more of a grind and the quests were hardly ever whorthwhile to do. You just found a spot most of the time and grinded away the levels solo or group. If you think WoWs content from 1-60 is a grind I'm not sure how you got through EQ. EQ was far more of a grind.
They were both grinds, both were boring. But, I really enjoyed the endgame pvp and guild conflicts on our server. If there wasnt so much training, the pvp aspect wouldve been more enjoyable, but it was still fun to have massive pvp battles in EQ. There is nothing in WoW that compares to guild pvp that was in EQ.
The grind in EQ was much worse than in WoW, but the endgame was better, so it was worth it.
It sounds to me like you aren't really interested in the PvE at all and just want a PvP game. Most MMOs are centered around the PvE and character progression and a lot of people enjoy it even if you don't. Guildwars sounds more like what you want or something that isn't really a MMORPG, but just a MMO with PvP with little to no character progression.