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Will you give PoTBS a look .. poll

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  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039

     

    Originally posted by Samuraisword


     
    Originally posted by kovah


    In My Opinion, take a look at this thread: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/136530
    And then view the results here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/136707
    If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about wether you should be checking this game out or not, then I have no idea what may convince you to do so...

     

    I don't see the correlation between the two threads and making an individual decision about playing a SOE game or not, unless you are suggesting that people should be sheep.

    Also if you don't think losing 25% of the people who were going to try PotBS before the announcement is significant, then  you don't realize how much revenue that represents.

     

    Where did you find out that the game lost 25% by this announcement.

    No the vote in this thread does not show that figure, it doesn't show that 1/4 of those that was interested in this game is not anymore.



    You had not any figure before the announcement to compare with.

    You can't distuingish those people that never had any intention of testing this game. So you do not know how many of those 25% that never had any interests in the game.



    The vote now is around 270 people. You don't now if the poll after same amount of time would have attracted same amount people before.

    90% of 100 people = 90 people (totally made up 'before' figure to give emphasis)

    65% of 270 people = 175 people

    "Oh no wrong, you still dealing with procentage. A share of things..." Well you wouldn't know if this game would have reached to 100 000 potential customers before and now reaches 270 000 potential customers.

    Does it mean that  those 10% maybe voters got attention to the game after the announcement.

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  • CarnivoCarnivo Member Posts: 24
    Originally posted by Samuraisword


     
    Also if you don't think losing 25% of the people who were going to try PotBS before the announcement is significant, then  you don't realize how much revenue that represents.

    They aren't losing 25% of the people who were going to try PotBS. They are losing about 70 people that don't like SOE. So according to that poll, there are still about 6.7 billion people who haven't said they won't be playing the game.

  • SamuraiswordSamuraisword Member Posts: 2,111

     

    Originally posted by Carnivo

    Originally posted by Samuraisword


     
    Also if you don't think losing 25% of the people who were going to try PotBS before the announcement is significant, then  you don't realize how much revenue that represents.

    They aren't losing 25% of the people who were going to try PotBS. They are losing about 70 people that don't like SOE. So according to that poll, there are still about 6.7 billion people who haven't said they won't be playing the game.

    My point is that Kovah was trying to make the argument that most people did not care about the SOE connection and would play anyways. He was not using that poll for the actual numbers involved, because obviously a couple hundred persons is meaningless. He was relying on the percentages, as a snapshot of the total market. 

     

    I am not saying that is correct or incorrect for purposes of reality, just that if you do so, 25% is significant. Certainly your suggestion that the market is billions of people, and they are only losing 70 persons, is  a complete exaggeration. We don't know if that poll is reflective of all the players who were interested in PotBS before the announcement, because many do not visit this site, nor have they all viewed this thread and voted. It's clear though that there are plenty of people who won't try PotBS because of their relationship with SOE, and now IGE.

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  • AutemOxAutemOx Member Posts: 1,704

    The PotBS player base used to be made up of only mmorpg.com visitors, so a month ago the '25% wont play' statement would be almost true.

    But you see, now FLS has found a publisher, SoE, which will help them reach many customers who are not mmorpg.com visitors and cannot be spoken for by a mmorpg.com poll.    Very few of these customers dislike SoE.

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  • SamuraiswordSamuraisword Member Posts: 2,111

    I don't see the logic to support the suggestion that very few gamers outside of MMORPG.com are anti SOE. People on this site are the same as other gamers elsewhere. Most  who have played SWG are anti SOE, in the thousands according to the factual data of how many quit playing that game after the NGE. Many such as myself who played EQ1 and disliked the direction SOE took that game are anti SOE. EQ2 lost half it's playerbase because it was such a poor quality release, many of whom felt ripped off.  Many of the players who tried Vanguard feel SOE is partly responsible for the failure of that game, for insisting it be released in an incomplete state. People have had billing issues as well as customer service issues with SOE. This is not just a  MMORPG.com member phenomenon.

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  • Darkz0rDarkz0r Member Posts: 78

    Honestly, the hype faded for me. With SoE or not...

    At first the game was totally "omg new stuff and with player content, nice !", but now it's just annoying me when I hear about it.

    Sure I can be wrong, but honestly, I'm feeling too much of an elitism from the community and the staff alike, which transmits an image of "our game pwnz0r everything, but you are not in the beta, so ha-ha to you, keep reading the blogs fool".

    That said, I still think its a nice concept and if it's done right (I honestly have no idea) it can be *very* nice. But personally I'm starting to hate the gate without even knowing it and honestly I can't really explain why.

    (Maybe subconciously  (sp) it's because of SoE, but I doubt =P)

  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367

     

    Originally posted by Samuraisword


    I don't see the logic to support the suggestion that very few gamers outside of MMORPG.com are anti SOE. People on this site are the same as other gamers elsewhere....

    No, not really. the rest of them are out PLAYING games, instead of spending all their time bitching about games they USED to play. They really don't give a rats ass who makes a game, so long as they end-result is fun. Most people I talk to who play mmo's have never even heard of this site. Most people see games with the proper perspective...as a source of entertainment. So long as it supplies that, they pay. If something changes kills its fun, they leave, no bitterness, they simply find something else fun to spend their money on. They don't go on like someone tried to wreck their life.

     

     

    For a bunch of angry people not wanting to give SoE anything, you certainly waste a lot of your time on them...isn't that valuable?

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  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883
    Originally posted by spankybus


     
    Originally posted by Samuraisword


    I don't see the logic to support the suggestion that very few gamers outside of MMORPG.com are anti SOE. People on this site are the same as other gamers elsewhere....

    No, not really. the rest of them are out PLAYING games, instead of spending all their time bitching about games they USED to play. They really don't give a rats ass who makes a game, so long as they end-result is fun. Most people I talk to who play mmo's have never even heard of this site. Most people see games with the proper perspective...as a source of entertainment. So long as it supplies that, they pay. If something changes kills its fun, they leave, no bitterness, they simply find something else fun to spend their money on. They don't go on like someone tried to wreck their life.

     

     

    For a bunch of angry people not wanting to give SoE anything, you certainly waste a lot of your time on them...isn't that valuable?

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  • Darkseth12Darkseth12 Member Posts: 148

    even if soe wasnt in the picture i wouldnt give this a game a look anyways. i think there are way better ames than this like WAR, AoC, Aion and others

  • AsboAsbo Member UncommonPosts: 812

    I am from the UK and most of us here do not really care about the folks over the pond going on about $O£ taking coin for their products, it's a fact of life that people who buy products get ripped off.  If you go to the pictures they rip the sh1t out of you when you buy drinks ect. So why should a games company be any differant?  I have used $O£ for 8 years off and on but it does not stop me playing or using their service because i get what i want from it, if i felt they were taking the pi$$ then i would simply cancel and move to another game.

     

    I will have a look in beta if given the chance, but if it fails to impress then i will not bother throwing my coin at it. I feel to many gmaes companys have taken the pure out of us for too long and we should stand against crap coding rather than calling the company names, because they dont give a sh1t what you call them as long as people pay they will keep doing what they do best like accept your coin.

     

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  • kovahkovah Member UncommonPosts: 692

    Originally posted by Samuraisword


    I don't see the logic to support the suggestion that very few gamers outside of MMORPG.com are anti SOE. People on this site are the same as other gamers elsewhere. Most  who have played SWG are anti SOE, in the thousands according to the factual data of how many quit playing that game after the NGE. Many such as myself who played EQ1 and disliked the direction SOE took that game are anti SOE. EQ2 lost half it's playerbase because it was such a poor quality release, many of whom felt ripped off.  Many of the players who tried Vanguard feel SOE is partly responsible for the failure of that game, for insisting it be released in an incomplete state. People have had billing issues as well as customer service issues with SOE. This is not just a  MMORPG.com member phenomenon.
    Most of the people that I game with in WoW and CS:S have no idea wtf MMORPG.com is.  Most of the people I game with wouldn't have a clue wtf/wth SOE of Flying Labs or PP is.  They *might* know what EA is but only because of their "EA, It's in the game!"  or "EA SPORTS!" commercials on TV...

    What I'm trying to get at, and it's been said already, is that SOE will bring many MANY more customers to the table than FL may have lost because of signing with SOE just because of who they are and what they are able to do.  When I purchase a game I don't look over the box to see who published it and I don't give a flying f*ck who published, developed, sold, wtfever.  I care that the game looks interesting and/or fun and I personally believe, as in, it's my opinion, that is the way the majority of people shop for games.  Thus SOE getting this game out in places where FL couldn'tve done on their own = win win for FL.

  • IbextoIbexto Member Posts: 277

    It doesn't matter to me who distributes the game, I am so looking forward to playing it.  Even though I am only a casual gamer, by the looks of things this will become my premier MMO. 

    Cheers.

  • HerkmeckHerkmeck Member Posts: 206

    Originally posted by CognetoJoe


    Now that SOE is in the picture will you give PoTBS a look  ?
    I think all you SOE haters need to STFU and sell off anything you own that is made by sony.  Potbs did the best thing you could do with a new game.  MARKETING!  Get the game on the selves in the stores!  Internet download may be a good thing....but you wont get half the maket that way.  And some wont even think about downloading a game....

    Remember kiddies....SOE is only doing billing and marketing....that is all they are doing.

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  • jupiter7782jupiter7782 Member Posts: 9

    i dont think that PotBS made any mistake. if you took the time to read the dev post about it ( which i hope you did) it clearly states that soe is ONLY publishing the game and handeling payment. thats it. they cant even touch the content, or the company because they havnt the rights to it. and im guessing that after release that fls might have the money to publish the expansion them selves.

     

    so people who wont play it simply because sony is going to burn the cds and print the boxes....well you are only hurting fls and missing out on a great game.

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  • daqkodaqko Member Posts: 6

    Originally posted by CognetoJoe


    Now that SOE is in the picture will you give PoTBS a look  ?

    I doubt SOE will make drastic or any changes to the game at all. SOE isn't as bad as EA in my opinion. Pirates of the Burning Sea has way too much potential to be looked away from just because they have a new publisher.

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  • RickSaadaRickSaada Senior Developer, POTBSMember Posts: 200

     

    Originally posted by solareus


    eq
    eq2
    Matrix Online
    SWG
    Vangaurd
     All games as quoted as "Just a distributer"
      1 dollars says PotBS will be on the Ps3 as well.

    Wow.  Boy are you confused.  EQ was Verant Interactive, which was the company that basically became SOE.  EQ2 was a SOE product from the start.  Matrix Online was produced by Warner Brothers, and was only foisted on Sony as part of a larger deal so Sony could get other stuff they wanted.  SWG was an SOE developed product from the start, but with a *lot* of control from Lucas Arts, and Vanguard, well that subject has been beaten to death here already.   So of the ones you listed 3 were SOE to start with, and 2 were put on life support and would have been shutdown without Sony's intervention. 

    I'd take your bet, as I know we're not doing a PS3 version, but for a dollar it's not worth the effort.  Now if you want to make it a $100 donation to Child's Play saying we'll be on the PS3 in a year (or even ANNOUNCE we're going to be on the PS3 in a year) that I'll take. 

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  • TwohededboyTwohededboy Member Posts: 200

    Solareus, did SOE kill your family or something. I cannot for the life of me understand the EXTREME hatred people have for SOE. It is just a freakin company that make freakin computer play pretties! SOE does not cause cancer or kill baby seals, but the way some people talk you would think they were the antichrist.

  • KeyhKeyh Member Posts: 140

    Originally posted by Samuraisword


    I don't see the logic to support the suggestion that very few gamers outside of MMORPG.com are anti SOE. People on this site are the same as other gamers elsewhere. Most  who have played SWG are anti SOE, in the thousands according to the factual data of how many quit playing that game after the NGE. Many such as myself who played EQ1 and disliked the direction SOE took that game are anti SOE. EQ2 lost half it's playerbase because it was such a poor quality release, many of whom felt ripped off.  Many of the players who tried Vanguard feel SOE is partly responsible for the failure of that game, for insisting it be released in an incomplete state. People have had billing issues as well as customer service issues with SOE. This is not just a  MMORPG.com member phenomenon.

    People quitting a game that SOE change != Anti-SOEs

    I quit SWG once the NGE came out. Did I dislike the direction that they went? Of course. However, I realize that Lucas Arts, as Rick mentioned, had a huge hand in the game and could've easily made SOE do it, or at the very least had to give the OK for it. Yet nobody "hates" LucasArts. Saying that people quitting a game is "factual data" on how many people hate it's developer is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

     

    I know more people that liked the direction that SOE took EQ than I know people that "hate" SOE for it. It's funny that you mention "logic" in your first sentence, because hating a company for taking their game into a direction that YOU don't like is the most illogical thing I've heard of.

     

    EQ2 had a rough launch, but I didn't feel that it was any more or less unfinished than any other MMO that has been released. Sure, it needed work. Which it got, and now I'm fairly confident in saying it's one of, if not, the best fantasy MMO currently available for all playtypes.

     

    As for the "many players" that see Vanguard as SOE, they're just as full of blind hatred as you are. I can't FATHOM how people arrive to that. Microsoft was going to force Sigil to release it last July. SOE said that they would fund it and publish it to give them extra time, Sigil ran out of money, and it's SOE's fault for being only a little charitable? Makes sense.

     

    As for your last point, which, like ALL of your other points are COMPLETELY irrelevant whenever it comes to PotBS. Out of the ~20 people I know that have Sony accounts not ONE has had any billing problems or customer service. I've heard of people having customer service issues, but it never stopped them from playing. But, I digress, SOE has nothing to do with any of the points that you've been vomitting around the message boards here.

     

    I asked this before, but wasn't sure if it was mentioned. Are you actually a member of TTH or just a big fan? Honestly, if TTH has close minded biased people like this, I'm leaning towards not going there anymore.

     

    Have a great day. Don't miss your next tin foil hat rotation.

  • TheGaymerAzTheGaymerAz Member Posts: 32

    UGHHH!!!! why is this such a hot topic? I am so tired of seeing threads bitch about this. SOE and FLS have made a deal. So deal with it. If you do not like what has happend then do not play the game. Now I am not a SOE fan my self but I trust FLS and when they say they are going to do something they do it. So I think people need to sit back smoke some pot or something and just chill about this.

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  • SoldierOwarSoldierOwar Member Posts: 9

    I will definitly give this game more than just a look. I've been anxiously waiting for the release of this game for some time now. A lot of fans are uspet with FLS for teaming up with SOE, but they shouldn't be. Yes SOE has a bad rep, but they have nothing to do with the game. They will not touch it at all. Thats gonna be left up to FLS. SOE is just a publishing company so to speak. They are responsible for Producing the game once it's finished and sell it. FLS is a small self owned/financed company. After 5 years of rigourus work over PotBS, they don't have the time, nor the money to produce and Sell the game. They just needed a little help. No worries, this game is still gonna be as good as ever. I can't wait!

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