There are of course still problems with the KOTOR timeline. For example if you want to be a sith and fight the jedi you go into it knowing that you can't really win because the jedi and the republic survive for another 1000 years. I think if they make up story lines with things that can change as you go and not focus on just the republic or teh jedi vs sith then a game in this setting could work.
of course I was happy with pre-cu swg and the timeline it had as well as the fact that someone other than Luke and Yoda were jedi. It's a game and as long as it plays well I guess it will be okay.
There are of course still problems with the KOTOR timeline. For example if you want to be a sith and fight the jedi you go into it knowing that you can't really win because the jedi and the republic survive for another 1000 years. I think if they make up story lines with things that can change as you go and not focus on just the republic or teh jedi vs sith then a game in this setting could work. of course I was happy with pre-cu swg and the timeline it had as well as the fact that someone other than Luke and Yoda were jedi. It's a game and as long as it plays well I guess it will be okay.
your wrong is there: yes, Republic survives but Sith survives too (as a goverment). and also Mandolorians survives too. Nobody beats each other completely and that's a real Civil War.
but at the movies timeline, it is just Empire rules all the galaxy and a weak small hidden rebel organisation trying to do something..
Trust me when I say the KOTOR era could make an excellent virtual playground There's a lot there, and a LOT of space for creative freedom too. BioWare could make a truly grand Star Wars experience if they are developing the KOTOR MMORPG.
What I've tried to do with this thread is present what few facts I could put together. Speculation was enevitable - especially with a fairly evident case for KOTOR through the use of common sense. It could still easily prove to be something else but I'm banking on KOTOR and I hope BioWare is too hehe. Cheers to us all and May the Force be with us
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The fact is Star Wars fans need a decent MMO period. SWG is not cutting it for most of us and the idea that there are hundreds of thousands of Star Wars enthusiasts just chomping at the bit for the next big Star Wars game has got to be on the minds of developers who have a license to anything star wars related.
Bioware would be insane not to tap into that.
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I dont think has to be about the gameplay, but the lore and universe is whats important just as warcraft turned into WoW.
For you maybe, but the biggest reason KOTOR was a success, and why so many love it, is due to the well developed characters, branching dialogue and involving story. Stuff that just doesn't make its way into MMORPGs.
Mark my words, if the MMO is only KOTOR in name, with WoW and LotRO gameplay except with lightsabers attached, it will not go over well. Not that I'm thinking this is how it will turn out, but still.
You can't just take the KOTOR setting and expect it to be a runaway hit. You have to consider the gameplay elements that made it (as well as every BioWare game) popular.
SWG is a perfect example of what happens when you try to just rely on the setting to get you by.
A lopt of people think - and indeed hope - that if there is ineed a KOTOR 3 then it will be asandbox-type game like the original SWG rather than a limited linear game like LOTRO and WoW with their restricted geographies and few out-of-combat options.
I think such people may be sadly disappointed. While the graphics and content of the KOTOR games were very high, the games themselves were intensely linear and their landscapes small and bounded. If a Bioware MMO follows the tradition of the Bioware SRPG then the game will be far from open-ended and ambitious.
A lopt of people think - and indeed hope - that if there is ineed a KOTOR 3 then it will be asandbox-type game like the original SWG rather than a limited linear game like LOTRO and WoW with their restricted geographies and few out-of-combat options.
I think such people may be sadly disappointed. While the graphics and content of the KOTOR games were very high, the games themselves were intensely linear and their landscapes small and bounded. If a Bioware MMO follows the tradition of the Bioware SRPG then the game will be far from open-ended and ambitious.
I despise sandbox games--they couldn't be more boring to me. But I get what you're saying.
Specifically what I was talking about is that this MMO better deliver a **KOTOR** experience, and not a standard-fare MMO experience. I will be severely disappointed if the majority of the gameplay involves talking to Jedi Master #527, where a shitty little text window pops up, and he asks you to kill 10 womprats on Tatooine to thin the herd. You then get to choose your reward of lightsaber + 15 or mandalorian armor +27. No fucking thanks.
Make it **feel** like KOTOR game experience as much as possible.
Originally posted by darquenblade Originally posted by hubertgrove A lopt of people think - and indeed hope - that if there is ineed a KOTOR 3 then it will be asandbox-type game like the original SWG rather than a limited linear game like LOTRO and WoW with their restricted geographies and few out-of-combat options.
I think such people may be sadly disappointed. While the graphics and content of the KOTOR games were very high, the games themselves were intensely linear and their landscapes small and bounded. If a Bioware MMO follows the tradition of the Bioware SRPG then the game will be far from open-ended and ambitious.
I despise sandbox games--they couldn't be more boring to me. But I get what you're saying. Specifically what I was talking about is that this MMO better deliver a **KOTOR** experience, and not a standard-fare MMO experience. I will be severely disappointed if the majority of the gameplay involves talking to Jedi Master #527, where a shitty little text window pops up, and he asks you to kill 10 womprats on Tatooine to thin the herd. You then get to choose your reward of lightsaber + 15 or mandalorian armor +27. No fucking thanks. Make it **feel** like KOTOR game experience as much as possible.
Indeed, another ding/grats/loot diku model would be a fat ball of suck, but why no lub for the sandbox? And to follow up, what would you like in place of those two options? Granted, it's been a long day, but aside from sandbox/worldy type games, you have the game on a rail, which is either quest driven, like WoW, EQ2, et all, or grind/camp driven like EQ was.
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Mark my words, if the MMO is only KOTOR in name, with WoW and LotRO gameplay except with lightsabers attached, it will not go over well. Not that I'm thinking this is how it will turn out, but still.
Mark my words: according to that recent interview with the Bioware guy, it will be WoW/LotRo gameplay (he spoke about stories to be told in quest lines, high solo-ability etc.). And I am pretty sure this formula will be successful.
Whether you and I will like it, is another thing though.
Mark my words, if the MMO is only KOTOR in name, with WoW and LotRO gameplay except with lightsabers attached, it will not go over well. Not that I'm thinking this is how it will turn out, but still.
Mark my words: according to that recent interview with the Bioware guy, it will be WoW/LotRo gameplay (he spoke about stories to be told in quest lines, high solo-ability etc.). And I am pretty sure this formula will be successful.
Whether you and I will like it, is another thing though.
Well...
I kinda wish they would look at SWG pre-CU and go from there. I don't want an alpha class, however I do want depth and complexity. I really liked all the Social outlets about SWG. Just a really cool community. I also enjoyed the complex crafting.
Most "storytelling" in MMORPGs is just FedEx quests -- you know, you have to go get some eggs -- and it's presented in a format that's just a bunch of text thrown at you in paragraph form ... and that's not so exciting. We want to bring a level of storytelling that's equal to the single-player box games that BioWare has done. I think we can do that.
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THAT is what I want out of this game. I'm fine with directed content, just so long as it's *engaging*. That's the problem with all quest in MMOs currently--you could give a shit less about why you are doing them.
Here's the thing though--while BioWare has an admirable goal, I have no idea how they plan to pull it off. From where I stand, if they were to make an MMO with as much story and character depth that their single-player games have, it would have to be HEAVILY instanced. And that runs the risk of the game losing its MMO credibility (see the countless Guild Wars debates that rage on to this very day).
I want this game to feel like a KOTOR game, with the interesting characters and dialogue. The thing is, I don't know how much of that will genuinely work in an MMO environment.
Uhh... Bioware is the Blizzard of single-player cRPGs (unfortunately Black Isle is no longer with us, may god rest their soul). Bioware has just as much experience making online games as Blizzard did before World of Warcraft (compare Neverwinter Nights to Battle.net).
I think Blizzard has shown that non-MMO developers are capable of completely dominating the market from companies that are supposed to be all about MMOs (SOE, Turbine, Mythic, etc.) Basically...you could replace Bioware with Blizzard in your paragraph and it would show you how ridiculous your sentiments are. Of course...that all ignores the potential for EA to royally screw up Bioware's level of quality, but we'll just hope that doesn't happen.
You're missing the point. Bioware makes great games, yes. And KOTOR is an amazing game. However, just because it's Bioware doesn't mean that their MMO will deliver the same amount of character and plot driven depth that their single-player experiences do. Rest assured they'll try--but there is no guarantee how well it will pan out.
Stop for a second and think about every feature you like about KOTOR--what makes it great as a game. Now, take each one of those features, and try to puzzle out how they would work in a multiplayer environment. There is a good chance that a KOTOR MMO might not turn out to have many similarities to the single player game that everyone loves. To use Blizzard as an example--the gameplay of WoW doesn't really resemble the RTS Warcraft games at all. Just playing devil's advocate.
I dont think has to be about the gameplay, but the lore and universe is whats important just as warcraft turned into WoW.
I second this really. It wasn't how KotoR played that made it great(for me anyways). It was the backdrop. But, what also made it great was that it was a single player game and it had a very specific story. It's what Bioware is very good at. I can't argue enough that more MMO's need to incorporate very specific story arcs in their games. I think these stories are what makes a game memorable.
How do you do it in a MMO setting? Well, stories are being told, but in most MMO's they are very hard to piece together. I still think many could learn from the story telling aspect of this genre from Guild Wars and Arenanet.
The game could be heavily instanced. The instanced portion should probably be the story though. The rest of the world could very well be persistent.
Just wanted to say something to those of you who outright deny the possibility of the BioWare MMORPG in development being a STAR WARS related title. YOU KNOW NOTHING. In fact, neither do we who speculate, really. But that is what we do, we SPECULATE based on facts both solid and circumstantial. Those who make claim that the MMORPG is not Star Wars for a fact, however, ASSUME.
Now I myself am hoping for a STAR WARS title, but I’m almost certain I would be happy with just about anything else BioWare could come out with. My speculation that it will be KOTOR is as I have said before based on facts both solid and circumstantial which within reason and logic would bring me to such a belief. But even I am not 100% - as none of us can be without more solid proof.
SO, from now on if you would like to outright make false claims please do your best to provide even a shred of evidence to back your arguments.
Some of these arguments are as such:
-LEC would never allow the BioWare MMO to be published by EA because they are direct competitors thus the game can’t be Star Wars. --- Can anyone provide any light to show what the terms of agreement were when EA bought BioWare on behalf of their upcoming MMORPG, which has been in development for years and could in fact already have a publisher lined up? And of course EA would still make money even if they didn’t publish, simply because they own BioWare.
-There is already a SW IP MMORPG there can’t be another. --- There can be whatever LEC decides with Star Wars. We don’t know the full details of the SW license with SOE. Perhaps it’s not completely exclusive to the whole IP. I don’t know if anyone does, I’m sure we’d all love to be informed.
-BioWare only works on their own IP's now and will never work with LEC. --- I've been really trying to find proof of this and have come up with nothing so far. Did BioWare say they will never in fact work with LEC again?
Thanks for reading.
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Originally posted by DeaconX Just wanted to say something to those of you who outright deny the possibility of the BioWare MMORPG in development being a STAR WARS related title. YOU KNOW NOTHING. In fact, neither do we who speculate, really. But that is what we do, we SPECULATE based on facts both solid and circumstantial. Those who make claim that the MMORPG is not Star Wars for a fact, however, ASSUME.
Now I myself am hoping for a STAR WARS title, but Im almost certain I would be happy with just about anything else BioWare could come out with. My speculation that it will be KOTOR is as I have said before based on facts both solid and circumstantial which within reason and logic would bring me to such a belief. But even I am not 100% - as none of us can be without more solid proof.
SO, from now on if you would like to outright make false claims please do your best to provide even a shred of evidence to back your arguments.
Some of these arguments are as such:
-LEC would never allow the BioWare MMO to be published by EA because they are direct competitors thus the game cant be Star Wars. --- Can anyone provide any light to show what the terms of agreement were when EA bought BioWare on behalf of their upcoming MMORPG, which has been in development for years and could in fact already have a publisher lined up? And of course EA would still make money even if they didnt publish, simply because they own BioWare.
-There is already a SW IP MMORPG there cant be another. --- There can be whatever LEC decides with Star Wars. We dont know the full details of the SW license with SOE. Perhaps its not completely exclusive to the whole IP. I dont know if anyone does, Im sure wed all love to be informed. -BioWare only works on their own IP's now and will never work with LEC. --- I've been really trying to find proof of this and have come up with nothing so far. Did BioWare say they will never in fact work with LEC again?
Thanks for reading.
So, those that agree with you are just speculating, albeit based on some mysterious "facts".
Those that disagree, are making assumptions pulled out of thin air.
Just wanted to say something to those of you who outright deny the possibility of the BioWare MMORPG in development being a STAR WARS related title. YOU KNOW NOTHING. In fact, neither do we who speculate, really. But that is what we do, we SPECULATE based on facts both solid and circumstantial. Those who make claim that the MMORPG is not Star Wars for a fact, however, ASSUME.
Now I myself am hoping for a STAR WARS title, but I’m almost certain I would be happy with just about anything else BioWare could come out with. My speculation that it will be KOTOR is as I have said before based on facts both solid and circumstantial which within reason and logic would bring me to such a belief. But even I am not 100% - as none of us can be without more solid proof.
SO, from now on if you would like to outright make false claims please do your best to provide even a shred of evidence to back your arguments.
Some of these arguments are as such:
-LEC would never allow the BioWare MMO to be published by EA because they are direct competitors thus the game can’t be Star Wars. --- Can anyone provide any light to show what the terms of agreement were when EA bought BioWare on behalf of their upcoming MMORPG, which has been in development for years and could in fact already have a publisher lined up? And of course EA would still make money even if they didn’t publish, simply because they own BioWare.
-There is already a SW IP MMORPG there can’t be another. --- There can be whatever LEC decides with Star Wars. We don’t know the full details of the SW license with SOE. Perhaps it’s not completely exclusive to the whole IP. I don’t know if anyone does, I’m sure we’d all love to be informed.
-BioWare only works on their own IP's now and will never work with LEC. --- I've been really trying to find proof of this and have come up with nothing so far. Did BioWare say they will never in fact work with LEC again?
Thanks for reading.
So, those that agree with you are just speculating, albeit based on some mysterious "facts".
Those that disagree, are making assumptions pulled out of thin air.
Do you interpret things wrongly by choice? For a guy who loves to be misinformed and twist words, I wouldn't talk about Fox news who are in fact a bunch of liars.
Read my post again because you obviously missed the point and the fact that I'll be the first to say I - and anyone else who thinks the IP may be Star Wars could be completely wrong. Again, you start your bs twisting just to stir shit just like in the other forum. Not even sure why I bother to reply to you specifically anymore as anyone intelligent can read both these posts and see for themselves that there's a big difference between what I was saying and what you twisted my words into. In fact of all your posts I'd say the fact that you're at least aware of FOX NEWS being BS and your articulation are your only saving grace in my eyes. Yet at the same time the way you keep twisting things you might as well apply for a job with them.
To clarify my previous post for you... all I ask is that if you're going to flat out DENY that it COULD BE Star Wars, please provide some solid, informed reasoning for it. Most of those who are speculating for it, do so based on circumstantial evidence ... I'll update the list in a while as it has grown since my first post in this thread.
I'm simply asking that people consider the possibility rather than outright deny something without any proof 100%. I acknowledge the high possibility that it ISN'T a Star Wars MMORPG. Based on the little available information howver, logic dictates there is an argument FOR a Star Wars BioWare MMORPG. So wouldn't it make sense that since there isn't proof [that I am aware of] that this is NOT a Star Wars MMORPG, that there is a possibility of it?
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You say the "It's KotOR" camp are speculating based on facts, both solid and circumstantial. What facts? Aside from the entirely nebulous "inside source" that made the rounds the other day saying it's KotOR, there are no facts. For, or against. You say I'm twisting what you said, so be it. I just think it's disingenuous to say one group is working with facts, and the other isn't, when know one has any facts.
There's really only one fact of note in this, as I see it, and that is BW, EA, or LA making a press release announcing what the MMO will be. Which obviously they haven't yet.
Actually, I take that back. There is one fact. It's not NWN based, as Obsidian has the rights to that now(I think that's who has it, anyway. I'm to lazy to go dig up the article were they said they were not going to do anything with NWN, and were making Dragon Age instead).
I posted this a long time ago in a thread started about this same topic which keeps coming up time after time. This same rumor and a lot of ill-informed people on how Bioware feels about LA.
It never seems to matter though, no matter what the Star Wars KOTOR fanbois read or hear.. they find a way to convince themselves that what theyre reading is not true.
This entire rumor was started because Biowares development team is in Austin TX. They happen to have a couple of people working on it who worked on SWG among many other games. These fanbois gloss over the fact that there are many other employees that worked on other games which is NOT Star Wars related.
The reason this rumor was started was because the game community was upset that they didnt announce their IP and by attempting to connect a few tiny dots together this rumor would start in hopes Bioware would just come out and announce the Star Wars MMO since the "cat was out of the bag".
guess what? no announcement yet, not matter how strong the evidence MIGHT seem. You think this has anything to do with the game not being a star wars MMO? wouldnt they have said something by now considering the game community is now completely convinced that it is?
Anyway, here you go. Direct from the mouthes of Bioware. Feel free to discredit it, spin it to suit your own dream of an MMO built soley around jedi and tell everyone that Bioware consistantly goes back on their word of that this information holds no water because theyre now property of EA.
Lets also forget that Bioware didnt even DO the last KoTOR game.
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There are of course still problems with the KOTOR timeline. For example if you want to be a sith and fight the jedi you go into it knowing that you can't really win because the jedi and the republic survive for another 1000 years. I think if they make up story lines with things that can change as you go and not focus on just the republic or teh jedi vs sith then a game in this setting could work.
of course I was happy with pre-cu swg and the timeline it had as well as the fact that someone other than Luke and Yoda were jedi. It's a game and as long as it plays well I guess it will be okay.
I don't claim to be right, I'm just posting.
your wrong is there: yes, Republic survives but Sith survives too (as a goverment). and also Mandolorians survives too. Nobody beats each other completely and that's a real Civil War.
but at the movies timeline, it is just Empire rules all the galaxy and a weak small hidden rebel organisation trying to do something..
Yeah, even if this game were to last 10 years, that would be a fraction of the time the actual civil war was raging on for.
I wasn't even thinking of the whole Mandalorian possability. Fun times.
Trust me when I say the KOTOR era could make an excellent virtual playground
There's a lot there, and a LOT of space for creative freedom too. BioWare could make a truly grand Star Wars experience if they are developing the KOTOR MMORPG.
What I've tried to do with this thread is present what few facts I could put together. Speculation was enevitable - especially with a fairly evident case for KOTOR through the use of common sense. It could still easily prove to be something else but I'm banking on KOTOR and I hope BioWare is too hehe. Cheers to us all and May the Force be with us
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The fact is Star Wars fans need a decent MMO period. SWG is not cutting it for most of us and the idea that there are hundreds of thousands of Star Wars enthusiasts just chomping at the bit for the next big Star Wars game has got to be on the minds of developers who have a license to anything star wars related.
Bioware would be insane not to tap into that.
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Majority agrees on the same subjects:
1- true timeline (KOTOR)
2- true company (B?oware)
Mark my words, if the MMO is only KOTOR in name, with WoW and LotRO gameplay except with lightsabers attached, it will not go over well. Not that I'm thinking this is how it will turn out, but still.
You can't just take the KOTOR setting and expect it to be a runaway hit. You have to consider the gameplay elements that made it (as well as every BioWare game) popular.
SWG is a perfect example of what happens when you try to just rely on the setting to get you by.
A lopt of people think - and indeed hope - that if there is ineed a KOTOR 3 then it will be asandbox-type game like the original SWG rather than a limited linear game like LOTRO and WoW with their restricted geographies and few out-of-combat options.I think such people may be sadly disappointed. While the graphics and content of the KOTOR games were very high, the games themselves were intensely linear and their landscapes small and bounded. If a Bioware MMO follows the tradition of the Bioware SRPG then the game will be far from open-ended and ambitious.
Specifically what I was talking about is that this MMO better deliver a **KOTOR** experience, and not a standard-fare MMO experience. I will be severely disappointed if the majority of the gameplay involves talking to Jedi Master #527, where a shitty little text window pops up, and he asks you to kill 10 womprats on Tatooine to thin the herd. You then get to choose your reward of lightsaber + 15 or mandalorian armor +27. No fucking thanks.
Make it **feel** like KOTOR game experience as much as possible.
Specifically what I was talking about is that this MMO better deliver a **KOTOR** experience, and not a standard-fare MMO experience. I will be severely disappointed if the majority of the gameplay involves talking to Jedi Master #527, where a shitty little text window pops up, and he asks you to kill 10 womprats on Tatooine to thin the herd. You then get to choose your reward of lightsaber + 15 or mandalorian armor +27. No fucking thanks.
Make it **feel** like KOTOR game experience as much as possible.
Indeed, another ding/grats/loot diku model would be a fat ball of suck, but why no lub for the sandbox? And to follow up, what would you like in place of those two options? Granted, it's been a long day, but aside from sandbox/worldy type games, you have the game on a rail, which is either quest driven, like WoW, EQ2, et all, or grind/camp driven like EQ was.
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Whether you and I will like it, is another thing though.
Whether you and I will like it, is another thing though.
Well...
I kinda wish they would look at SWG pre-CU and go from there. I don't want an alpha class, however I do want depth and complexity. I really liked all the Social outlets about SWG. Just a really cool community. I also enjoyed the complex crafting.
James Ohlen of BioWare Austin, had this to say:
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Most "storytelling" in MMORPGs is just FedEx quests -- you know, you have to go get some eggs -- and it's presented in a format that's just a bunch of text thrown at you in paragraph form ... and that's not so exciting. We want to bring a level of storytelling that's equal to the single-player box games that BioWare has done. I think we can do that.
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THAT is what I want out of this game. I'm fine with directed content, just so long as it's *engaging*. That's the problem with all quest in MMOs currently--you could give a shit less about why you are doing them.
Here's the thing though--while BioWare has an admirable goal, I have no idea how they plan to pull it off. From where I stand, if they were to make an MMO with as much story and character depth that their single-player games have, it would have to be HEAVILY instanced. And that runs the risk of the game losing its MMO credibility (see the countless Guild Wars debates that rage on to this very day).
I want this game to feel like a KOTOR game, with the interesting characters and dialogue. The thing is, I don't know how much of that will genuinely work in an MMO environment.
I'm cautiously sceptical about this whole thing.
I second this really. It wasn't how KotoR played that made it great(for me anyways). It was the backdrop. But, what also made it great was that it was a single player game and it had a very specific story. It's what Bioware is very good at. I can't argue enough that more MMO's need to incorporate very specific story arcs in their games. I think these stories are what makes a game memorable.
How do you do it in a MMO setting? Well, stories are being told, but in most MMO's they are very hard to piece together. I still think many could learn from the story telling aspect of this genre from Guild Wars and Arenanet.
The game could be heavily instanced. The instanced portion should probably be the story though. The rest of the world could very well be persistent.
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Hey Taera, you're from Austin, TX right? Wanna do some ninja work and get some answers from the BioWare Austin TX people?
If it is KOTOR:O, I wonder if they'll keep the old single player progression system the same. Here's a link to what it looked like, more or less: aycu04.webshots.com/image/30363/2006219761347324469_rs.jpg
I believe it was Star Wars D20 by West Coast system which I guess they wouldn't have rights to anymore - I could be wrong.
Also, here's another 'comic' done up by AtariFX of the BioWare forums. Enjoy:
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-There is already a SW IP MMORPG there can’t be another. --- There can be whatever LEC decides with Star Wars. We don’t know the full details of the SW license with SOE. Perhaps it’s not completely exclusive to the whole IP. I don’t know if anyone does, I’m sure we’d all love to be informed.
-BioWare only works on their own IP's now and will never work with LEC. --- I've been really trying to find proof of this and have come up with nothing so far. Did BioWare say they will never in fact work with LEC again?
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
So, those that agree with you are just speculating, albeit based on some mysterious "facts".
Those that disagree, are making assumptions pulled out of thin air.
Have you been watching Fox News?
So, those that agree with you are just speculating, albeit based on some mysterious "facts".
Those that disagree, are making assumptions pulled out of thin air.
Have you been watching Fox News?
Do you interpret things wrongly by choice? For a guy who loves to be misinformed and twist words, I wouldn't talk about Fox news who are in fact a bunch of liars.
Read my post again because you obviously missed the point and the fact that I'll be the first to say I - and anyone else who thinks the IP may be Star Wars could be completely wrong. Again, you start your bs twisting just to stir shit just like in the other forum. Not even sure why I bother to reply to you specifically anymore as anyone intelligent can read both these posts and see for themselves that there's a big difference between what I was saying and what you twisted my words into. In fact of all your posts I'd say the fact that you're at least aware of FOX NEWS being BS and your articulation are your only saving grace in my eyes. Yet at the same time the way you keep twisting things you might as well apply for a job with them.
To clarify my previous post for you... all I ask is that if you're going to flat out DENY that it COULD BE Star Wars, please provide some solid, informed reasoning for it. Most of those who are speculating for it, do so based on circumstantial evidence ... I'll update the list in a while as it has grown since my first post in this thread.
I'm simply asking that people consider the possibility rather than outright deny something without any proof 100%. I acknowledge the high possibility that it ISN'T a Star Wars MMORPG. Based on the little available information howver, logic dictates there is an argument FOR a Star Wars BioWare MMORPG. So wouldn't it make sense that since there isn't proof [that I am aware of] that this is NOT a Star Wars MMORPG, that there is a possibility of it?
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
You say the "It's KotOR" camp are speculating based on facts, both solid and circumstantial. What facts? Aside from the entirely nebulous "inside source" that made the rounds the other day saying it's KotOR, there are no facts. For, or against. You say I'm twisting what you said, so be it. I just think it's disingenuous to say one group is working with facts, and the other isn't, when know one has any facts.
There's really only one fact of note in this, as I see it, and that is BW, EA, or LA making a press release announcing what the MMO will be. Which obviously they haven't yet.
Actually, I take that back. There is one fact. It's not NWN based, as Obsidian has the rights to that now(I think that's who has it, anyway. I'm to lazy to go dig up the article were they said they were not going to do anything with NWN, and were making Dragon Age instead).
Scott Rouse
(SR. Brand Manager - Dungeons & Dragons),
stated on D&D forums certainly, Bioware's game is NOT a D&D title .
You can delete the options, Baldur's Gate or NWN.
www.enworld.org/showpost.php
www.enworld.org/showpost.php
One step closer to KOTOR
Maybe OP wants to add the this to first page..
Man I hope this comes true!
It never seems to matter though, no matter what the Star Wars KOTOR fanbois read or hear.. they find a way to convince themselves that what theyre reading is not true.
This entire rumor was started because Biowares development team is in Austin TX. They happen to have a couple of people working on it who worked on SWG among many other games. These fanbois gloss over the fact that there are many other employees that worked on other games which is NOT Star Wars related.
The reason this rumor was started was because the game community was upset that they didnt announce their IP and by attempting to connect a few tiny dots together this rumor would start in hopes Bioware would just come out and announce the Star Wars MMO since the "cat was out of the bag".
guess what? no announcement yet, not matter how strong the evidence MIGHT seem. You think this has anything to do with the game not being a star wars MMO? wouldnt they have said something by now considering the game community is now completely convinced that it is?
Anyway, here you go. Direct from the mouthes of Bioware. Feel free to discredit it, spin it to suit your own dream of an MMO built soley around jedi and tell everyone that Bioware consistantly goes back on their word of that this information holds no water because theyre now property of EA.
Lets also forget that Bioware didnt even DO the last KoTOR game.
keep deluding yourself. its all just riddles :P
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what does this thread mean to those of you hoping for a KotR MMO?
http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=468659&forum=22&sp=0
specifically Chris Priestly's comments on page 2
"Basically, don't hold your breath for another KotOR game coming from BioWare."
and Bioware Designer James Henleys comments, which he goes on to say Chris Priestly is correct in his previous statement.
"BioWare is more interested in pursuing the development of its own intellectual properties.
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And that's all there is to it.
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