yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3...
LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry
Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3... LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
think what ya want
oh, im not anti SW at all. Im just anti-bullshit
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3... LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
what are the chances that they noticed the groundswell of Kotor Online rumors and simply grabbed the url before some random forum troll does.
They don't have to actually do anything with the url, companies often buy a url simply because they don't want other people to own it, even though they aren't going to do anything with it.
Not trying to bring you down, and I'd love a kotor mmo myself. Just looking for a practical reason to keep my inner fanboi from foaming at the mouth.
Mass Effect went gold yesterday according to their website. I didn't know that, because I don't follow the game much (though it looks awesome), so just throwing that out there for anyone else who didn't know.
yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3... LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3... LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private.
If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com.
The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private. If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com. Registrant:
Originally posted by BlitzBlade Originally posted by AtariFX The domain was registered last week.
The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private. If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com. Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM Created on: 11-Oct-07 Expires on: 11-Oct-12 Last Updated on: 23-Oct-07 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599 Technical Contact: Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.BIOWARE.COM NS2.BIOWARE.COM
What's it mean precious!!!!!
Well, as the kid with the faux British accent enjoys pointing out, Gordon Walton owns the domain falloutonline.com as well. I image one, or both is to A) throw internet detectives off the trail. and/or Prevent others from getting the domains for the purpose of scamming people, pranks, or what have you.
BIOWARE MMORPG FACTS – UPDATED! This thread was created to gather all available information regarding the BioWare MMORPG currently in development. We are looking for any and all information. Speculation is inevitable, but if we must let’s try to be as informed as possible. Please feel free to help add or correct any information presented and remember to take everything with a grain of salt
-Gordon Waltin worked on Star Wars Galaxies -Development started December 2005 [Gordon Walton] http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155486 -Due out in 2009 [Bill Dalton of BioWare] however in a recent interview after the EA buyout of BioWare the release date is claimed to be in the ‘back half’ of 2009,10,11.
-EA announced an agreement with Elevation Partners to acquire VG Holding Corp, owners of both BioWare and Pandemic Studios
-The MMORPG is already in a playable build with members of BioWare enjoying it as stated by Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshcuk during Gamespot's Q&A on the EA acquisition. WHAT? -BioWare maintains almost total secrecy about their MMO, thus no setting/IP has been either announced, confirmed or denied -BioWare has adopted StreamBase's Stream Processing Engine. StreamBase has previously provided Complex Event Processing software to many leading financial institutions as well as the government and military sectors.
Processing Engine Part 2 - http://www.streambase.com/complex-event-processing.htm -BioWare Austin will use HeroEngine for development of its new MMO project. "At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience. Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements."
-A .pdf from the EA acquisition listing all the past and future games from Bioware - notice the New MMO doesn’t have Owned IP checked - Meaning it is indeed a licensed IP Source - http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/264618/EAPres.pdf Hosted by Thompson Financial – http://www.thomson.com/solutions/financial/ Some Quotes: -"The key points that we're gonna do that no one's done before in an MMOG are bring story, character, and emotion to it. Decisions matter, [non-player characters] aren't just Pez dispensers, and you're not in a grind," Rich Vogel -StreamBase is designed to process enormous amounts of real-time information at blindingly fast speeds, making it an ideal platform for delivering a rich online gaming experience for thousands of players simultaneously," said Barry Morris, Chairman and CEO of StreamBase. -"After we evaluated the StreamBase CEP software, we quickly realized that partnering with them would cut our server development costs by multiple man years," said Bill Dalton of BioWare -"At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience; Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. The HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements." said Gordon Walton -"We want to bring a level of storytelling that's equal to the single-player box games that BioWare has done. I think we can do that. One of the big challenges will be making our storytelling work in an environment that has multiple players." Creative Director James Ohlen -“One thing we don't want to do is NPC Pez dispensers, as I call them -- go over there, dispense a quest, and then go "vacuum-clean" a zone. We want to make sure you listen to NPCs, because choices matter. And that's really important.” Richard Vogel - GS: Now one of the main reasons EA gave for acquiring BioWare/Pandemic was the upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing game you're developing in Austin. After listening to John's comments in the conference call, one walks away with the impression that said MMORPG is a wholly owned IP of BioWare--and therefore EA. Is that correct? RM: We haven't revealed any details about the game. It's super secret right now. It's got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for, and I wish I could say more. It's the best of breed of MMO, with the magic BioWare's associated with, and our goal is to make sure people can't stop playing it. Above from: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180866.html BioWare Forums: http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=468659&forum=22&sp=0 IT should be noted that BioWare was busy working on their own IP RPG, JADE EMPIRE when LEC wanted KOTOR II thus BioWare passed the project onto their lil brother company, OBSIDIAN ENTERTAINMENT
SPECULATION: PROCEED WITH CAUTION!
-Citi's Brent Thill predicts that BioWare is quietly working on a Star Wars MMO. He says that this would be a "strong positive" for the EA, one that "bolsters [its] MMO exposure
- Riccitiello used to work for EA, left and co-founded Elevation Partners, which in 2005 bought BioWare. Now, he is back at EA as the CEO and bought BioWare back from his old company. (You cant serve God and the Mammon, ahd he knows whom he serves, apparently.)
- EA has so far vaporized almost all corporations it acquired, and most game series and traditions were not taken up: Origin (Ultima, Wing Commander), Westwood (Lands of Lore, only Command & Conquer is continued), Bullfrog (Dungeon Keeoper), Maxis (Sim City and Sims all now are just "EA".)
-LucasArts rep raised another interesting possibility--that another Star Wars MMORPG could be in the works. "We have had several developers approach us expressing interest in developing a future Star Wars online game," said the rep. (emphasis in the original.) However, if any such game is in the works, it will be a long time until it surfaces. "As of right now, it hasn't gone anything beyond that (that is, no conversations, no serious talks, no pitches, etc.)," assured the rep.
-Article also states: “BioWare appears the more likely candidate. Besides the fact it developed the critically acclaimed and wildly popular Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the developer just founded a new studio in Austin, Texas--home of SOE's Austin branch--which employs several ex-SOE staffers. The shop's sole project is an unidentified MMORPG set in a science fiction universe” http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24466266
- (12/05) A few press releases about kotor3 were leaked and quickly dismissed by Bioware as a hoax. Not to mention an interview with the writer for the kotor comic series, John Jackson MIller, that also came out in December '05 stating: "there’s going to be another Knights of the Old Republic video game for sure."
-While BioWare has made no comments about the Star Wars MMORPG rumors, neither LucasArts nor SOE have said anything to discredit it.
-In a recent interview with Jake Neri of Star Wars Galaxies it was revealed that there are no future expansion packs planned for development. http://www.mmo-gamer.com/?p=281
- Insiders knowing that Bioware being in production with another Star Wars MMO could be responsible for all the rumors flying around in early 2006 that SOE was loosing the Star Wars license, which may not be so false after all. I hate to think of SWG's player numbers in 2009. That would be 10 years since SWG started production and could also very well be the end of the SWG/SOE license contract with Lucas Arts, just in time for its replacement.
The domain was registered last week. The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private. If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com. Registrant:
Just wanted everyone to know I've updated the original post. Please feel free to contribute or help me correct anything that may need it. Thanks to everyone who's contribued!
-D
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
BIOWARE MMORPG FACTS – UPDATED! This thread was created to gather all available information regarding the BioWare MMORPG currently in development. We are looking for any and all information. Speculation is inevitable, but if we must let’s try to be as informed as possible. Please feel free to help add or correct any information presented and remember to take everything with a grain of salt
-Gordon Waltin worked on Star Wars Galaxies -Development started December 2005 [Gordon Walton] http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155486 -Due out in 2009 [Bill Dalton of BioWare] however in a recent interview after the EA buyout of BioWare the release date is claimed to be in the ‘back half’ of 2009,10,11.
-EA announced an agreement with Elevation Partners to acquire VG Holding Corp, owners of both BioWare and Pandemic Studios
-The MMORPG is already in a playable build with members of BioWare enjoying it as stated by Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshcuk during Gamespot's Q&A on the EA acquisition. WHAT? -BioWare maintains almost total secrecy about their MMO, thus no setting/IP has been either announced, confirmed or denied -BioWare has adopted StreamBase's Stream Processing Engine. StreamBase has previously provided Complex Event Processing software to many leading financial institutions as well as the government and military sectors.
Processing Engine Part 2 - http://www.streambase.com/complex-event-processing.htm -BioWare Austin will use HeroEngine for development of its new MMO project. "At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience. Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements."
-A .pdf from the EA acquisition listing all the past and future games from Bioware - notice the New MMO doesn’t have Owned IP checked - Meaning it is indeed a licensed IP Source - http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/264618/EAPres.pdf Hosted by Thompson Financial – http://www.thomson.com/solutions/financial/ Some Quotes: -"The key points that we're gonna do that no one's done before in an MMOG are bring story, character, and emotion to it. Decisions matter, [non-player characters] aren't just Pez dispensers, and you're not in a grind," Rich Vogel -StreamBase is designed to process enormous amounts of real-time information at blindingly fast speeds, making it an ideal platform for delivering a rich online gaming experience for thousands of players simultaneously," said Barry Morris, Chairman and CEO of StreamBase. -"After we evaluated the StreamBase CEP software, we quickly realized that partnering with them would cut our server development costs by multiple man years," said Bill Dalton of BioWare -"At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience; Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. The HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements." said Gordon Walton -"We want to bring a level of storytelling that's equal to the single-player box games that BioWare has done. I think we can do that. One of the big challenges will be making our storytelling work in an environment that has multiple players." Creative Director James Ohlen -“One thing we don't want to do is NPC Pez dispensers, as I call them -- go over there, dispense a quest, and then go "vacuum-clean" a zone. We want to make sure you listen to NPCs, because choices matter. And that's really important.” Richard Vogel - GS: Now one of the main reasons EA gave for acquiring BioWare/Pandemic was the upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing game you're developing in Austin. After listening to John's comments in the conference call, one walks away with the impression that said MMORPG is a wholly owned IP of BioWare--and therefore EA. Is that correct? RM: We haven't revealed any details about the game. It's super secret right now. It's got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for, and I wish I could say more. It's the best of breed of MMO, with the magic BioWare's associated with, and our goal is to make sure people can't stop playing it. Above from: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180866.html BioWare Forums: http://forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=468659&forum=22&sp=0 IT should be noted that BioWare was busy working on their own IP RPG, JADE EMPIRE when LEC wanted KOTOR II thus BioWare passed the project onto their lil brother company, OBSIDIAN ENTERTAINMENT
SPECULATION: PROCEED WITH CAUTION!
-Citi's Brent Thill predicts that BioWare is quietly working on a Star Wars MMO. He says that this would be a "strong positive" for the EA, one that "bolsters [its] MMO exposure
- Riccitiello used to work for EA, left and co-founded Elevation Partners, which in 2005 bought BioWare. Now, he is back at EA as the CEO and bought BioWare back from his old company. (You cant serve God and the Mammon, ahd he knows whom he serves, apparently.)
- EA has so far vaporized almost all corporations it acquired, and most game series and traditions were not taken up: Origin (Ultima, Wing Commander), Westwood (Lands of Lore, only Command & Conquer is continued), Bullfrog (Dungeon Keeoper), Maxis (Sim City and Sims all now are just "EA".)
-LucasArts rep raised another interesting possibility--that another Star Wars MMORPG could be in the works. "We have had several developers approach us expressing interest in developing a future Star Wars online game," said the rep. (emphasis in the original.) However, if any such game is in the works, it will be a long time until it surfaces. "As of right now, it hasn't gone anything beyond that (that is, no conversations, no serious talks, no pitches, etc.)," assured the rep.
-Article also states: “BioWare appears the more likely candidate. Besides the fact it developed the critically acclaimed and wildly popular Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the developer just founded a new studio in Austin, Texas--home of SOE's Austin branch--which employs several ex-SOE staffers. The shop's sole project is an unidentified MMORPG set in a science fiction universe” http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24466266
- (12/05) A few press releases about kotor3 were leaked and quickly dismissed by Bioware as a hoax. Not to mention an interview with the writer for the kotor comic series, John Jackson MIller, that also came out in December '05 stating: "there’s going to be another Knights of the Old Republic video game for sure."
-While BioWare has made no comments about the Star Wars MMORPG rumors, neither LucasArts nor SOE have said anything to discredit it.
-In a recent interview with Jake Neri of Star Wars Galaxies it was revealed that there are no future expansion packs planned for development. http://www.mmo-gamer.com/?p=281
- Insiders knowing that Bioware being in production with another Star Wars MMO could be responsible for all the rumors flying around in early 2006 that SOE was loosing the Star Wars license, which may not be so false after all. I hate to think of SWG's player numbers in 2009. That would be 10 years since SWG started production and could also very well be the end of the SWG/SOE license contract with Lucas Arts, just in time for its replacement.
The domain was registered last week. The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private. If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com. Registrant:
Just wanted everyone to know I've updated the original post. Please feel free to contribute or help me correct anything that may need it. Thanks to everyone who's contribued!
-D
I'll bet the people at BIOWARE are having a good time with this.
3. - in one of the recent interviews on Gamespot with one of those responsible guys, Ray Myzuka, said, the Bioware MMO "got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for"
Which as a simple, logical conclusion leaves: its a KOTOR MMO.
It can't be something new, either, since it would then be their own IP, which the PDF says it IS NOT.
If the executive guy from D&D/Wizards of the Coast isnt lying, which he has no reason to, and the PDF isnt a fake to mislead is, the KOTOR MMO is the ONLY logical conslusion. You only need to cross-reference of these three sources.
Elementary.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
People have brought up an argument that BioWare and LEC left on bad terms and that BioWare wouldn't work on Star Wars again. So. I hoped to find out the truth about this as no one has been able to post anything one way or the other.
Many of the people on the BioWare forums don't even seem to recall any LucasArts / BioWare problems.
LucLH posted this at the BioWare forums when I asked about it there:
checkout this transcript from GDC 2004, a lecture given by Casey Hudson about the development of KotOR:
Doesnt seem like there was any trouble there (if any), certainly not enough for all this "BioWare hates LucasArts and will never work with them again!" Its just one of those myths that floats around, along with my other favourite "BioWare will never work with anyone elses IP ever again!"
KotOR is their best selling game by a mile and their most critically acclaimed, even if there were any difficulties in the relationship, it would be crazy for either side to out them in public anyways.
--- Thanks again LucLH. Here's a bit aboit the LEC/BioWare relationship.
"Casey: The question is, how do we interface with LucasArts, and how that relationship worked, and the other part of it was, are we going to work it with RPGs in the future?
The first part of the question, how we worked with LucasArts. It was actually really good for us because first and foremost we really value most being able to tell the story we want to tell and create new stuff. And being huge Star Wars fans, we wouldn't create something that really stood out, or wouldn't be appropriate in Star Wars. I think that worked really well with the Star Wars, or the Lucas Arts approval process.
We would do concepts and story ideas and so on, and then everything would actually get sent up by our LucasArts producer to Skywalker Ranch, where they would have people who look at all the licensed properties and make sure they fit in with Star Wars. They also have content coordinators that are really helpful for us. There's a huge extended universe in Star Wars, so a lot of the back story has been written, and things about characters. Sometimes you can step on someone's toes by creating something new that maybe contradicts what's been done before. But we have content coordinators who are experts in all that stuff. They would be able to help us in that way, and make sure that a creature variation that we had can have certain eye colors but not others.
But the times we had to change something I could literally number on one hand. For example, we had done a concept for our sand person. They had kind of short leggings. One of the big things about sand people is that they have to have really long robes that go down to the ground. That's a minor thing to make, and the success of the game wasn't really hinging on that. And there was maybe one or two other minor things, and that's out of a huge pile of probably over a thousand concepts that we sent them. So it was pretty good."
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
People have brought up an argument that BioWare and LEC left on bad terms and that BioWare wouldn't work on Star Wars again. So. I hoped to find out the truth about this as no one has been able to post anything one way or the other. Many of the people on the BioWare forums don't even seem to recall any LucasArts / BioWare problems. LucLH posted this at the BioWare forums when I asked about it there: checkout this transcript from GDC 2004, a lecture given by Casey Hudson about the development of KotOR:
Doesnt seem like there was any trouble there (if any), certainly not enough for all this "BioWare hates LucasArts and will never work with them again!" Its just one of those myths that floats around, along with my other favourite "BioWare will never work with anyone elses IP ever again!"
KotOR is their best selling game by a mile and their most critically acclaimed, even if there were any difficulties in the relationship, it would be crazy for either side to out them in public anyways. --- Thanks again LucLH. Here's a bit aboit the LEC/BioWare relationship. "Casey: The question is, how do we interface with LucasArts, and how that relationship worked, and the other part of it was, are we going to work it with RPGs in the future?
The first part of the question, how we worked with LucasArts. It was actually really good for us because first and foremost we really value most being able to tell the story we want to tell and create new stuff. And being huge Star Wars fans, we wouldn't create something that really stood out, or wouldn't be appropriate in Star Wars. I think that worked really well with the Star Wars, or the Lucas Arts approval process.
We would do concepts and story ideas and so on, and then everything would actually get sent up by our LucasArts producer to Skywalker Ranch, where they would have people who look at all the licensed properties and make sure they fit in with Star Wars. They also have content coordinators that are really helpful for us. There's a huge extended universe in Star Wars, so a lot of the back story has been written, and things about characters. Sometimes you can step on someone's toes by creating something new that maybe contradicts what's been done before. But we have content coordinators who are experts in all that stuff. They would be able to help us in that way, and make sure that a creature variation that we had can have certain eye colors but not others.
But the times we had to change something I could literally number on one hand. For example, we had done a concept for our sand person. They had kind of short leggings. One of the big things about sand people is that they have to have really long robes that go down to the ground. That's a minor thing to make, and the success of the game wasn't really hinging on that. And there was maybe one or two other minor things, and that's out of a huge pile of probably over a thousand concepts that we sent them. So it was pretty good."
You need to be working for some intel service...how do you know this crap?
2.) Read the fine print on the bottom. The pdf was made by someone corelating data from various sources and press releases. Nothing is directly 100% fact in that pdf, only pure speculation.
Sources: VGH, Metacritic.com, NPD Trst, company websites, company press releases.
(1) Genre according to NPD Trst classifications or as expected to be classified.
(2) Represent ratings from Gamerankings.com as no Metacritic ratings available.
They release Q2 2008 Fiscal Statement on Nov 1. I will post a copy, and probably drop in on the conference call for shareholders. Not that it really matters, it will be available for anyone that wishes to see it on their investor relations page.
I'm not sure if i would be happy about a licensed Game like the "Star Wars" franchise, i prefer to see they're own Franchise like Mass Effect there they can do all the shit they want to.
Given all the facts, one MAY be lead to believe that a KotOR MMORPG is in the works. A lot of documentation has been posted the last few days...yet we still have nothing concrete. I think one can find just as much evidence lending support against the development of the KotOR IP. There are just too many unknowns at this point.
I guess time will tell and no amount of speculation is going to change the hidden truth that already exists. I think at this point all we can do is watch and wait. I will be very happy when the powers that be finally let the cat out of the bag. All this waiting and wondering leads to more rumors and lies. Someone or one(s) knows the facts and until they bring us into the loop...we just won't know!
I think if BioWare is not careful, they could be faced with a major fan let down. I know this will ring true, if in fact, the unknown MMO project turns out to be something other than STARWARS: Knights of the Old Republic MMORPG.
The sad truth is that too many people long for the days of the pre-CU Starwars Galaxies. I think many believe that IF BioWare develops the IP, they will some how get that "perfect game" back. I for one miss those days and it's sad, but I have yet to find another MMORPG that really moved me the way that game once did. I can only hope that BioWare, Lucas Arts and EA can put away their grudges to build us the game we all want.
I think if done in the tradition of a pre-CU SWG (minus the bugs) a new KotOR online mmo could be one of the most popular and best selling games of all time...Yes this includes knocking WOW of the block. If the rumors are true and BW, LA, and EA are working with the original Developers of SWG, than we may be in for a treat.
However, given the fact that BioWare makes really good "story driven" games, I think this will hurt the chances of ever seeing a sandbox STARWARS mmo from them. I do think it's should be noted, that BW has never made an MMORPG, so we really don't know what they will do. If they are smart, they will look at both the success and failure points of the now dying SWG soe product and learn what not to do.
Anyhow, the truth is out there and I suspect the boys and girls at BioWare / EA will make an announcement about the "TOP SECRET" mmo project sometime after MASS EFFECT hits the shelves. I am hoping for a brand new STARWARS game...but, I'm not willing to bet the farm on on such.
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yeah. he said we will more interested with our own IPs a couple of weeks later announce a Sonic game. and it is certain that this MMO in not a Bioware/Pandemic IP as we gave the link a THOUSAND times before.and other "dont expect any KOTOR game from bioware" , answering a question about KOTOR 3...
LOL. i know you gonna crazy when hear the words MMO and KOTOR side by side but dont worry
Anti-sw people, you will feel the saber on your asses in 2009
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
think what ya want
oh, im not anti SW at all. Im just anti-bullshit
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
I don't think anyone here is anti-Star Wars. Though, not many are up for light sabers up their bums...
If SOE/LA hadn't dropped the ball so completely with SWG, I'd still be dithering about with my character.
That being said, I'm getting a wee burnt out on Star Wars, though god knows, I will play Force Unleashed so long as it's not total trash.
Sorry to keep mentioning this over the many months, but Gordon Walton also owns FalloutOnline.com
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
think what ya want
oh, im not anti SW at all. Im just anti-bullshit
OK. YOU WANT EVIDENCE RIGHT?
GO CLICK THIS:
lucasartsbioware.com
Is that enough for you ?
what are the chances that they noticed the groundswell of Kotor Online rumors and simply grabbed the url before some random forum troll does.
They don't have to actually do anything with the url, companies often buy a url simply because they don't want other people to own it, even though they aren't going to do anything with it.
Not trying to bring you down, and I'd love a kotor mmo myself. Just looking for a practical reason to keep my inner fanboi from foaming at the mouth.
Mass Effect went gold yesterday according to their website. I didn't know that, because I don't follow the game much (though it looks awesome), so just throwing that out there for anyone else who didn't know.
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
think what ya want
oh, im not anti SW at all. Im just anti-bullshit
OK. YOU WANT EVIDENCE RIGHT?
GO CLICK THIS:
lucasartsbioware.com
Is that enough for you ?
sorry ...old link. it redirects me to bioware.com
and around around we go..
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
if you could show me as damning evidence as Ive shown you on this debate, Id gladly see things the other way around.
unfortunately, all we have is "a source close to bioware". That doesnt really have credentials over the lead designer.. does it
but ya, its all a riddle. I dont remember anyone ever saying "we will never make a sonic game". However, in black and white we have them saying they will never make another KOTOR game
think what ya want
oh, im not anti SW at all. Im just anti-bullshit
OK. YOU WANT EVIDENCE RIGHT?
GO CLICK THIS:
lucasartsbioware.com
Is that enough for you ?
Not sure what I'm looking at here...
LOL. It was not there yesterday.
LOL
explain it as if I were a 4 year old...what does this mean?
I think they noticed the groundswell of Kotor Online rumors and simply grabbed the url before some random forum troll does.
Doesn't = hard evidence.
It does = circumstantial evidence
The domain was registered last week.
The registrant is a company that is supposed to keep the other companies info private.
If it's just "grabbing a url" bioware wouldn't have set it up to redirect to their own website - they would have just had some random crap on there. They wouldn't have set it up on their nameservers. If you look at the IP - it's the same as bioware.com.
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM
Created on: 11-Oct-07
Expires on: 11-Oct-12
Last Updated on: 23-Oct-07
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration LUCASARTSBIOWARE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BIOWARE.COM
NS2.BIOWARE.COM
Mesa gonna ruin Star Wars forever!!!!!
What's it mean precious!!!!!
What's it mean precious!!!!!
Well, as the kid with the faux British accent enjoys pointing out, Gordon Walton owns the domain falloutonline.com as well. I image one, or both is to A) throw internet detectives off the trail. and/or
Prevent others from getting the domains for the purpose of scamming people, pranks, or what have you.
Just wanted everyone to know I've updated the original post. Please feel free to contribute or help me correct anything that may need it. Thanks to everyone who's contribued!
-D
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
Just wanted everyone to know I've updated the original post. Please feel free to contribute or help me correct anything that may need it. Thanks to everyone who's contribued!
-D
I'll bet the people at BIOWARE are having a good time with this.
Good work, DeaconX! Hats off! ^^
Well, it is all still speculative, but I guess the three MOST important facts are
1. the PDF: It is something very inside, and its says the MMO is NOT their own IP, so that rules out Jade Empire AND Mass Effect!
SEE: library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/264618/EAPres.pdf
2. There is an OFFICIAL comment from a D&D guy, who confirmes its NOT a D&D MMO Bioware is making, so its not BG or NWN either.
SEE: www.enworld.org/showpost.php
3. - in one of the recent interviews on Gamespot with one of those responsible guys, Ray Myzuka, said, the Bioware MMO "got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for"
SEE:
www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/masseffect/news.html
Which as a simple, logical conclusion leaves: its a KOTOR MMO.
It can't be something new, either, since it would then be their own IP, which the PDF says it IS NOT.
If the executive guy from D&D/Wizards of the Coast isnt lying, which he has no reason to, and the PDF isnt a fake to mislead is, the KOTOR MMO is the ONLY logical conslusion. You only need to cross-reference of these three sources.
Elementary.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
People have brought up an argument that BioWare and LEC left on bad terms and that BioWare wouldn't work on Star Wars again. So. I hoped to find out the truth about this as no one has been able to post anything one way or the other.
Many of the people on the BioWare forums don't even seem to recall any LucasArts / BioWare problems.
LucLH posted this at the BioWare forums when I asked about it there:
checkout this transcript from GDC 2004, a lecture given by Casey Hudson about the development of KotOR:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11805
Doesnt seem like there was any trouble there (if any), certainly not enough for all this "BioWare hates LucasArts and will never work with them again!"
KotOR is their best selling game by a mile and their most critically acclaimed, even if there were any difficulties in the relationship, it would be crazy for either side to out them in public anyways.
--- Thanks again LucLH. Here's a bit aboit the LEC/BioWare relationship.
"Casey: The question is, how do we interface with LucasArts, and how that relationship worked, and the other part of it was, are we going to work it with RPGs in the future?
The first part of the question, how we worked with LucasArts. It was actually really good for us because first and foremost we really value most being able to tell the story we want to tell and create new stuff. And being huge Star Wars fans, we wouldn't create something that really stood out, or wouldn't be appropriate in Star Wars. I think that worked really well with the Star Wars, or the Lucas Arts approval process.
We would do concepts and story ideas and so on, and then everything would actually get sent up by our LucasArts producer to Skywalker Ranch, where they would have people who look at all the licensed properties and make sure they fit in with Star Wars. They also have content coordinators that are really helpful for us. There's a huge extended universe in Star Wars, so a lot of the back story has been written, and things about characters. Sometimes you can step on someone's toes by creating something new that maybe contradicts what's been done before. But we have content coordinators who are experts in all that stuff. They would be able to help us in that way, and make sure that a creature variation that we had can have certain eye colors but not others.
But the times we had to change something I could literally number on one hand. For example, we had done a concept for our sand person. They had kind of short leggings. One of the big things about sand people is that they have to have really long robes that go down to the ground. That's a minor thing to make, and the success of the game wasn't really hinging on that. And there was maybe one or two other minor things, and that's out of a huge pile of probably over a thousand concepts that we sent them. So it was pretty good."
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
You need to be working for some intel service...how do you know this crap?
As always, more speculation.
!.) That pdf is not from EA or Bioware.
2.) Read the fine print on the bottom. The pdf was made by someone corelating data from various sources and press releases. Nothing is directly 100% fact in that pdf, only pure speculation.
Sources: VGH, Metacritic.com, NPD Trst, company websites, company press releases.
(1) Genre according to NPD Trst classifications or as expected to be classified.
(2) Represent ratings from Gamerankings.com as no Metacritic ratings available.
They release Q2 2008 Fiscal Statement on Nov 1. I will post a copy, and probably drop in on the conference call for shareholders. Not that it really matters, it will be available for anyone that wishes to see it on their investor relations page.
Here's the link to Q1 2008
I'm not sure if i would be happy about a licensed Game like the "Star Wars" franchise, i prefer to see they're own Franchise like Mass Effect there they can do all the shit they want to.
So...
Given all the facts, one MAY be lead to believe that a KotOR MMORPG is in the works. A lot of documentation has been posted the last few days...yet we still have nothing concrete. I think one can find just as much evidence lending support against the development of the KotOR IP. There are just too many unknowns at this point.
I guess time will tell and no amount of speculation is going to change the hidden truth that already exists. I think at this point all we can do is watch and wait. I will be very happy when the powers that be finally let the cat out of the bag. All this waiting and wondering leads to more rumors and lies. Someone or one(s) knows the facts and until they bring us into the loop...we just won't know!
I think if BioWare is not careful, they could be faced with a major fan let down. I know this will ring true, if in fact, the unknown MMO project turns out to be something other than STARWARS: Knights of the Old Republic MMORPG.
The sad truth is that too many people long for the days of the pre-CU Starwars Galaxies. I think many believe that IF BioWare develops the IP, they will some how get that "perfect game" back. I for one miss those days and it's sad, but I have yet to find another MMORPG that really moved me the way that game once did. I can only hope that BioWare, Lucas Arts and EA can put away their grudges to build us the game we all want.
I think if done in the tradition of a pre-CU SWG (minus the bugs) a new KotOR online mmo could be one of the most popular and best selling games of all time...Yes this includes knocking WOW of the block. If the rumors are true and BW, LA, and EA are working with the original Developers of SWG, than we may be in for a treat.
However, given the fact that BioWare makes really good "story driven" games, I think this will hurt the chances of ever seeing a sandbox STARWARS mmo from them. I do think it's should be noted, that BW has never made an MMORPG, so we really don't know what they will do. If they are smart, they will look at both the success and failure points of the now dying SWG soe product and learn what not to do.
Anyhow, the truth is out there and I suspect the boys and girls at BioWare / EA will make an announcement about the "TOP SECRET" mmo project sometime after MASS EFFECT hits the shelves. I am hoping for a brand new STARWARS game...but, I'm not willing to bet the farm on on such.
I am still hoping for Forgotten Realms Online MMO