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I've lost hope in MMORPGs. Goodbye fellow vets
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I'll also give this crappy industry one more year, after that I'm gone for good and focus on other things, like women.
Darkfall is the last real hope, WAR and AoC don't look like games that can keep me interested very long time.
[quote]You should be having so much fun playing that occasionally you look down and say, "Cool, when did I level?".[/quote]
No better summary have I seen.
Glad i'm not the only one who has been feeling like this. MMOs are just so shallow lately. No real meaning to them. Holding out for Darkfall if it ever comes into existance. WAR and AoC could work for me...maybe. If they manage to have any depth ofc...
Think u hit the nail on the head i played the first EQ for around 4 years and basically it still has my vote as one of the best mmorpgs ive ever played, there was guilds that were willing to help any1 at all costs and the community were great also... u did have some idiots but atleast we knew who they were and tbh i dont think they cared to much either
Nowadays u get players saying N00b this and N00b that, what is the point calling ppl n00bs if u either make a mistake or dont really know what to do in the situation, atleast ppl back then did help if u made a mistake or if they were a healer and having trouble helped them heal... but now ppl dont give a Cr*p.
The game i thought would bring the life back to mmorpg's would be vanguard, and i was disappointed by how the game was treated and how soe got there hands on it... if could of been a great game but was ruined over money problems mainly and lack of time if only they taken more time on it as soe where trying to get it out at the released date things might of been different but they cant put much effort into it once its up and running.
At the end of the day im waiting for potbs as its something different and hopefully not just a constant press a button and bang dead type of game like most of these are nowadays, But yes i relate to the post above as the same stuff im going through right now and its getting to me as i like mmorpg's theres not mainly ones that can equal the mmorps that were great post 2000.
ahahaaahahahaaa
priceless,online tough guy persona at its very best.
im sure youll be able to find a game where you and your buddies can "pwn" some "naabs" one day,but for the time being most developers arent really looking to base their games around a few griefing batchelors.
Exactly same sentiments were shown by nomads/hunter-gatherers to the approach of civilization brought by farmers/craftsmen/town dwellers, thousand years ago. But law and social hierarchy (i.e. levels) won in the end. You just can't help it. It's what most ppl want, "civilization" in cyberspace. It's the price you pay by having more ppl entering this hobby. In a way, evolution of MMORPG's does imitate human history, doesn't it??
Aside from what OP mentioned, I also want a player-driven economy, a good political structure and many, many crafting options that imitate real society at work. They are fabrics of any good mmorpg, not just aimless looting, burning and killing.
don't let the door hit you on the way out... bye bye
This is exaclty what I was thinking Iffymack. I've been around to play EQ, UO, DAoC, 3 of the prominent "old gen" games they're talking about, and FFA PvP servers were by far the worse servers to join. I don't know where they get that this was somehow "glorious" when in reality it was a joke! in EQ I switched back to a non-PvP server and actually I had MORE fun on it then a PvP server. I was able to quest and meet MORE friends than the PvP server. I honestly wonder what these people are smoking.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
First of all, this is a public forum where a lot of kids read, so cursing is uncalled for and bought you a report. Second of all, quit whining. The games you claim were so great are still up and running, so go play them. Sounds like you abandoned the game and not the genre abandoning you. Times do change and I doubt I will ever change with them. However, my problems with the genre are different from yours. You don't need to change, you just need to find your niche. Fortunately for you, there are still games that cater to your niche. So again, quit whining and go play them.
Lastly, you said goodbye fellow vets like you are leaving the genre, but you admit that you are playing EvE. So in essense, this whole post was meant to whine to the community about how no company is making a game to cater to your niche fast enough. Oh, and it should be a no brainer that there are different strokes for different folks. So don't go assuming that people are unhappy playing EQ2 and WoW. They are just a different breed of players than you are and it would do the world some good for you to try to understand and accept those other people for who they are and for their right to play the games they like. They can't help that their likes are popular and yours aren't.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Well said Jk Kanosi
You have the same problem as the OP. You are complaining about something that is still available to you. Those old games are still there, so go play them. Are you too good to play older games or something? If you are a UO player and are about to tell me that Trammel came out and yadayada, then I will just laugh at the irony of it all. Trammel made it to where pkers had to pk themselves, instead of griefing other people who didn't care for pk. That's right, pking isn't so fun when the other guy wants to pk you right back is it? I'm all for PvP, especially since my first game was DAoC, but there needs to be some limits to keep the game fun. PvPers need to be PvPing against other PvPers, not PvEers. There is no challenge in that.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
QFT!!!
...but I'm kinda responsible for breaking those things myself some times, at any forum.
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This is exaclty what I was thinking Iffymack. I've been around to play EQ, UO, DAoC, 3 of the prominent "old gen" games they're talking about, and FFA PvP servers were by far the worse servers to join. I don't know where they get that this was somehow "glorious" when in reality it was a joke! in EQ I switched back to a non-PvP server and actually I had MORE fun on it then a PvP server. I was able to quest and meet MORE friends than the PvP server. I honestly wonder what these people are smoking.
Out of those 3, only UO was built from the ground up with FFA PvP in it. So honestly, UO is the only prominent FFA PvP game there, regardless if the other games offered a FFA PvP server or not. Plus, one of the biggies for FFA is Asheron's Call: Darktide server. I think it is the sandbox model with FFA PvP thrown in is what they want. I want that too, but I won't complain about not having it while there are still games that offer it. That's like saying, "I'm too snobby to play older games that offer exactly what I want, gimmee something new to play!" "Spend tens of millions of dollars on making ME a new FFA PvP game that only a handful of people in the genre will actually play."
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Or we just stop playing and giving these undeserving assholes who never listen to us our money.
They would have made more money if they'd listened to us instead of the carebears in the beginning. Seriously. I meant it.
These idiots have put themselves in a corner. They have to continually make a new game or expansion from scratch that plays the same as every other clone out there- just so they can buy enough time to keep the sheep busy maxing out and growing bored of their latest trash to finish the next one- and the cycle goes on and on and on.
If you'd have done it our way- you the developers- you'd have a game that would survive over a decade like classic UO does on shards/servers we aren't allowed to talk about on these forums. And your upkeep and maintenance and new content costs would have been minimal.
But OH NO! EVERQUEST was making headlines with NORMAL PEOPLE... not just a small slice of computer gaming nerds- but fat kids in fan t-shirts on the local evening news... and you greedy sunuvabitches JUMPED ALL OVER IT thinking WE HAVE ARRIVED!
Well guess what- in the words of Lex Luther: WRONG!!!
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
This is exaclty what I was thinking Iffymack. I've been around to play EQ, UO, DAoC, 3 of the prominent "old gen" games they're talking about, and FFA PvP servers were by far the worse servers to join. I don't know where they get that this was somehow "glorious" when in reality it was a joke! in EQ I switched back to a non-PvP server and actually I had MORE fun on it then a PvP server. I was able to quest and meet MORE friends than the PvP server. I honestly wonder what these people are smoking.
Out of those 3, only UO was built from the ground up with FFA PvP in it. So honestly, UO is the only prominent FFA PvP game there, regardless if the other games offered a FFA PvP server or not. Plus, one of the biggies for FFA is Asheron's Call: Darktide server. I think it is the sandbox model with FFA PvP thrown in is what they want. I want that too, but I won't complain about not having it while there are still games that offer it. That's like saying, "I'm too snobby to play older games that offer exactly what I want, gimmee something new to play!" "Spend tens of millions of dollars on making ME a new FFA PvP game that only a handful of people in the genre will actually play."
No I know what you mean, I was simply mentioning those games to acknowledge and substantiate that I have played those old games, that I have played FFA PvP therefore I know what it's about. I got tired of UO but not just the FFA PvP but because I just didn't like the 2d over the top view (but then again, it was all I could afford to pay monthly before I could get my hands on EQ and DAoC)
its only my opinion, having played these games for years..
but while im interested in mmorpgs, im not actually interested in anything thats been offered by any company for a long time.
perhaps its just a case of my tastes improving faster than the industry can provide quality titles.
i want a unique experience, they keep making generic experiences. You would think that as an industry they would improve, but its been 10 years and the games are actually much weaker than they ever were.
i think its to the point now that they are actually afraid to do anything different. This will be their undoing i guess.
Dont be an emo.
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As far as FFA PvP goes, I think thats the least of the issues with MMO's right now. A lack of depth and a lack of engaging game play are MUCH bigger problems with current MMO's. If you can settle those two issues, then I don't really care whether it's FFA PvP or just PvE.
Hahaha, that made my day. sadly i have done that
Playing: Everthing
Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
This is exaclty what I was thinking Iffymack. I've been around to play EQ, UO, DAoC, 3 of the prominent "old gen" games they're talking about, and FFA PvP servers were by far the worse servers to join. I don't know where they get that this was somehow "glorious" when in reality it was a joke! in EQ I switched back to a non-PvP server and actually I had MORE fun on it then a PvP server. I was able to quest and meet MORE friends than the PvP server. I honestly wonder what these people are smoking.
Out of those 3, only UO was built from the ground up with FFA PvP in it. So honestly, UO is the only prominent FFA PvP game there, regardless if the other games offered a FFA PvP server or not. Plus, one of the biggies for FFA is Asheron's Call: Darktide server. I think it is the sandbox model with FFA PvP thrown in is what they want. I want that too, but I won't complain about not having it while there are still games that offer it. That's like saying, "I'm too snobby to play older games that offer exactly what I want, gimmee something new to play!" "Spend tens of millions of dollars on making ME a new FFA PvP game that only a handful of people in the genre will actually play."
UO was pretty much the first real MMO period.
Playing: Everthing
Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
Stop whining, go eat a cake, drink some beer and start playing EVE... if it's not your kind of "engaging", revolutionary game that's not WoWified in any ways, then start playing Oblivion...
This is exaclty what I was thinking Iffymack. I've been around to play EQ, UO, DAoC, 3 of the prominent "old gen" games they're talking about, and FFA PvP servers were by far the worse servers to join. I don't know where they get that this was somehow "glorious" when in reality it was a joke! in EQ I switched back to a non-PvP server and actually I had MORE fun on it then a PvP server. I was able to quest and meet MORE friends than the PvP server. I honestly wonder what these people are smoking.
FFA PvP isn't for you. That's fine and dandy, but to this day you may have a few games that appeal to you, but the FFA PvP/Skill based Sandbox group don't. Does the fact that you and the market as a whole don't like our type of game means we shouldn't even have atleast one game?
You have the same problem as the OP. You are complaining about something that is still available to you. Those old games are still there, so go play them. Are you too good to play older games or something? If you are a UO player and are about to tell me that Trammel came out and yadayada, then I will just laugh at the irony of it all. Trammel made it to where pkers had to pk themselves, instead of griefing other people who didn't care for pk. That's right, pking isn't so fun when the other guy wants to pk you right back is it? I'm all for PvP, especially since my first game was DAoC, but there needs to be some limits to keep the game fun. PvPers need to be PvPing against other PvPers, not PvEers. There is no challenge in that.
I'm not going to step into the trammel argument. I'm just going to keep this simple, UO isn't UO anymore. If you want to argue with that, you've never played UO before AoS. BTW, if all we wanted was FFA PvP we'd all be playing some game's FFA PvP server, and there wouldn't be so much complalining, would there? Think about the bigger picture bud
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Mechwarrior is my first gaming love. I have a mech team that I started 6 years ago... we mostly play MMOs now, since its been 5 years since they released a mech game. They made the game they wanted to make, instead of the game the players wanted and ended up with mechassult...after a few attempts it apparently drove the franchise in to the ground. I'd love to see a good mech MMO, but I'd settle for something as limited as multiplayer battletech 3025, and I'd certainly be content with just plain ol mech 5.
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What are you talking about????? there are still tons of other games that still offer FFA PvP or at least PvP servers out there! the only difference being that you'll now have to play with other people who want to PK instead of mashing everyone (PvEr's included) into the same server. EQ still has FFA PvP servers if I'm not mistaken, so does UO (haven't played these in a long while, so I don't know what changes they made.) and DAoC, WoW has PvP servers, they're all there. What the argument is, is that a game that caters exclusively to FFA PvP (every single server) is retarded, and from a business stand point, a horrible idea. I don't know why there's an argument that "There's no more MMO's for us" when the fact of the matter is, that there are, what the majority of the FFA PvP supporters seem to be upset about, is that the majority of people don't want to be play in those servers where new players can be exploited easily. Try and paint FFA PvP as rosy as you want, we're not suckers.