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  • saint4Godsaint4God Member Posts: 699

    BTW: Everything Saint4god said about EQ2 was completely wrong, even the number of characters. Not gonna post a two-color essay, but he didn't get any of it right, except for experience debt which is .5%. That's 5/10 of a percent. One kill, lol, and you don't have to go back to your corpse, ever, and don't have to pay anything to get it back.



    Please be specific, how and where was I wrong?  Yes, you can get more character slots if you pay SOE $30 per month instead of $15 per month.  That comes with "station access" and you get what, two more slots?  Where do I sign?  NOT.  Everything I documented was from my experience from the game.  I can give specifics if you like.  Will you extend the same courtesy?

  • KrileonKrileon Member Posts: 314

    Originally posted by saint4God


    BTW: Everything Saint4god said about EQ2 was completely wrong, even the number of characters. Not gonna post a two-color essay, but he didn't get any of it right, except for experience debt which is .5%. That's 5/10 of a percent. One kill, lol, and you don't have to go back to your corpse, ever, and don't have to pay anything to get it back.



    Please be specific, how and where was I wrong?  Yes, you can get more character slots if you pay SOE $30 per month instead of $15 per month.  That comes with "station access" and you get what, two more slots?  Where do I sign?  NOT.  Everything I documented was from my experience from the game.  I can give specifics if you like.  Will you extend the same courtesy?

    You're complaining about character slots, which of you get plenty. I can see some people not playing due to having 1 or 2 being a valid arguement, but you get 8 slots or 10 + able to play all SOE games with station access..

    Yes WOW has more character slots. O-M-G end of the world /tinfoilhat

     

    [ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos

    [ Playing ] Everquest II

    [ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan

  • saint4Godsaint4God Member Posts: 699

    Okay, so having more than 8 characters is a non-issue for you.  Also, paying double the monthly fee of World of Warcraft is fine in your situation.  That's cool.  For me character quantity limitation and the necessity for budgetary disregard are two of the many annoyances I had experienced with Everquest 2. 

  • KrileonKrileon Member Posts: 314

    Originally posted by saint4God


    Okay, so having more than 8 characters is a non-issue for you.  Also, paying double the monthly fee of World of Warcraft is fine in your situation.  That's cool.  For me character quantity limitation and the necessity for budgetary disregard are two of the many annoyances I had experienced with Everquest 2. 
    Honestly after finding out what they are doing to the launcher for EQ2 and other SOE games. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and say go with WOW. It's better.

     

    Want to know why? Let me ask you this, do you like Steam? An intrusive memory scanning pile of garbage running in the background just to play a game? If so then go play EQ2, because well they will soon have an identicle system! AWESOME!

    From the official site it self: http://launcher.station.sony.com/faq.vm

    Do I have to use the Station Launcher?

    Yes. To play your Station game you must enter the game through the Station Launcher; it must be installed on your PC in order for you to play and/or download any game. The Station Launcher automatically verifies that you are a licensed entitled user of your purchased Station game and/or subscription plan. During the Public Beta you can launch your games with either Station Launcher or the older, game-specific LaunchPads. After the Public Beta is over, Station Launcher will be the only way to launch Station Games. Please use the Feedback button on the Game Select Screen of the Station Launcher or go directly to the Station Launcher forums to tell us what you think!

    [ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos

    [ Playing ] Everquest II

    [ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan

  • saint4Godsaint4God Member Posts: 699

    Pretty scarey stuff I think, Krileon, I hadn't heard of Steam before.  I don't doubt Sony's desire to know all that's in your machine.  I know they've asked me to upload them a log whenever I had any problems whether it was system related or not which always spooked me out.  Thanks for the heads up, no Pirates of the Burning Seas for me then.

  • LionexxLionexx Member UncommonPosts: 680

    Can we stop having all these game vs game debates?

     

    Why don't we all go play our favorite game..We will have more time doing that if we don't fight about them.

    Playing: Everthing
    Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
    I have played every MMO that has ever come out.

  • KrileonKrileon Member Posts: 314

    Originally posted by saint4God


    Pretty scarey stuff I think, Krileon, I hadn't heard of Steam before.  I don't doubt Sony's desire to know all that's in your machine.  I know they've asked me to upload them a log whenever I had any problems whether it was system related or not which always spooked me out.  Thanks for the heads up, no Pirates of the Burning Seas for me then.
    Yeah it's just getting rediculous. Apparantly it's going to run in systray like steam does and do verification checks on your account constantly. I'm not sure if you can close it or not, but even if you can. I don't need a launcher that's designed for 10 games when I only play 1. That's just extra garbage I don't want.

     

    A good example is probably Final Fantasy XI Online launcher. Tons of features, but takes you forever just to get to the damn game when you don't want/need all that shit.

     

    They're turning something that works into a complicated pile of steaming crap. I'm glad they enjoy ruining my fun.

    [ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos

    [ Playing ] Everquest II

    [ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan

  • slannmageslannmage Member Posts: 540

    When EQ2 was in beta and there was like 6 servers for each zone and you could get a group and the towns were crowded it was really fun. Now however the graphics just look very bland to me and without the gimmick of them being amazing for the time you just get a feeling of the games very dated and really makes me put off when playing. Also you can never seem to find groups on the lower levels, only from like level 60+ which is a shame cause playing you your own in what feels like a barren world is sooo boring.



    WOW is just better in terms of population but quality and it looks better because Blizzard are great with their art, also i love PVP and it's just sooo much better than what EQ2 offers.

  • saint4Godsaint4God Member Posts: 699

     

    Originally posted by lionexx


    Can we stop having all these game vs game debates?
     
    Why don't we all go play our favorite game..We will have more time doing that if we don't fight about them.

     

    I think there's good purpose to comparative debating.  By weighing the pro's and con's it can save some of us a lot of time and money.  I started World of Warcraft out of recommendation (not browsing a store) and have enjoyed the game for years.  Had I been warned about some games I'd played that are listed on the gamelist here, it would've saved me a lot of time, money and dashed hopes.

  • KrileonKrileon Member Posts: 314
    Originally posted by saint4God


     
    Originally posted by lionexx


    Can we stop having all these game vs game debates?
     
    Why don't we all go play our favorite game..We will have more time doing that if we don't fight about them.

     

    I think there's good purpose to them.  By weighing the pro's and con's it can save some of us a lot of time and money.  I started World of Warcraft out of recommendation (not browsing a store) and have enjoyed the game for years.  Had I been warned about some games I'd played that are listed here, it would've saved me a lot of time, money and dashed hopes.

    Agreed. I bought all 2007 MMO releases. I need to be smacked in the face for all the wasted money. Damn wannabe developers are pissing me off.

    [ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos

    [ Playing ] Everquest II

    [ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan

  • Kriminal99Kriminal99 Member Posts: 377

    Listen, I played them both.

    I went back and forth for a while, but I wont go back to EQ2 again. 

    Why?  EQ2 is run by Sony, and they are greedy.  They have always been that way.  What Sony releases as adventure or expansion packs, Blizzard releases as patches.  Blizzard releases expansions only when they have made widesweeping changes and implemented mass amount of new content. 

     You get 8 characters total in EQ2.  In WOW you get 10 PER SERVER.  You could have 10 different characters on every server.  If you meet a new person who plays on a different server, no problem.  Want a few alts?  No problem. 

    Want to create a twinking staff of tradeksillers that supply each other with tradeskill rares if you level them up?  Well you have the slots but tradeskillers don't make that much of use in WoW.  In EQ2 Tradeskillers can always make legendary items for every slot, and the rested experience works better at low levels than at high (WOW is the opposite, rest experience works better at high levels).  So they give you a reason to have 10 characters, but not enough slots.  What is so costly about affording players character slots anyways?  They want you to buy multiple accounts no doubt. 

     

    Blizzard is and always has been a little better in planning and balancing.  When I used to play EQ2 it was fun to find all the tricks to do really well in the game, better than you were supposed to.  Kiting raid content solo.  Soloing groups of heroic enemies after twinking a character in all legendary gear, and getting more legendaries or fabled loot.  Not leveling except through quests so I could have fun exploring more of them and enjoying all my hard work in pvp. 

    But EQ2 doesn't intentionally create all these ways to excel and have so much fun playing their game, they are just much worse than blizzard at anticipating and  fixing them.  So, the rules are constantly changed and everything you like about the game is taken away from you on a regular basis.  Gets old fast.  Kiting is nerfed every patch, legendary tradeskill items were nerfed so you can harvest for a long time before decking out a character in awesome gear.  PVP experience forces you to level so you can't take your time leveling up through questing on a pvp server. 

     

    With that in mind there is a signifigant problem with EQ2 pvp.  The areas are poorly designed for a pvp server because there are too many bottlenecks.  Traveling through buzy zones results in endless bloodbaths as both sides are forced to use the same tiny entrances to each map.  And each map seems smaller in some way compared to WOW maps where there always seems to be some way to get away from hostile pvp.  In EQ2, you can't get anywhere without bumping into enemies.

    The two games have a lot of similarities and each has things the other is missing.  But overall I would say that Sony is a poor man's Blizzard.  They are greedy and I have found over time that the sustained joy I get from

     

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  • XenduliXenduli Member Posts: 654

    From the official World of Warcraft website

    How many characters are allowed per realm?
    The limit is ten characters on each realm. You are limited to a maximum of 50 characters across all realms.

    Please get your facts straight!

    No annoying animated GIF here!

  • lirikalirika Member UncommonPosts: 17

    I recomend EQ1 , becouse all the others games does not have AA (Alternate points) ! WHY? They are so adictive!

  • VyethVyeth Member UncommonPosts: 1,461

    Okay guys!

    Which color is better??

    BABY BLUE or DARK B LUE??

  • Tutu2Tutu2 Member UncommonPosts: 572

    Personally I believe EQ2 is the better MMO of the two because even at level 80 I have heaps of things to do even if I don't do raiding: finish Heiritage Quests, (soloing them at 80 is alot of fun) finish off a zillion collections I missed, continue getting 10 more AA points, complete alot of group quests I missed, furnish my house, harvest, work on my tradeskills....etc. The character development and customization is also more in-depth then WoW's will ever be. In WoW you've essentially hit a brick wall at max level if you don't like PvP or raiding. The levelling pace in EQ2 is also virtually the same as WoW's now.

    But other people are right in that SOE are stingy bastards by requiring you to pay to use features WoW's Armory already has for free and extra character slots where WoW already always virtually limitless character slots all for free.

  • BuzWeaverBuzWeaver Member UncommonPosts: 978

    One of the things I like most about this web site is that it encompasses most of the popular MMO's into one area, so for ZergClasw (OP) this would be a good place to get some "opinions" about EQ(II) and WoW, however I would hope that a little research into both games from their respected official sites might garnish a little more objectivity.

    I've played both and found them enjoyable, but it really comes down to the person (personality), their play style, what they want out of an MMO (the intricacies of the game) and time to invest in their character(s). Both appealed to me in their own particular way.


    I would suggest doing a little research see what the games have to offer and see which one matchers your play style.


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  • SenomarSenomar Member Posts: 17

    touche i agree with him. Do some research try out the free trials and base ur judgement on what type of style you enjoy.

  • SempaiEclipseSempaiEclipse Member Posts: 164

    ''Why?  EQ2 is run by Sony, and they are greedy'

     

    You forgot, Blizzard is as well.. Look how much Blizzard makes off there MMO and then look at other MMO devs that add way more stuff and do more for the players/..Like events and content etc..

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  • bahamut1bahamut1 Member Posts: 614
    Originally posted by Kriminal99


    Listen, I played them both.
    I went back and forth for a while, but I wont go back to EQ2 again. 
    Why?  EQ2 is run by Sony, and they are greedy.  They have always been that way.  What Sony releases as adventure or expansion packs, Blizzard releases as patches.  Blizzard releases expansions only when they have made widesweeping changes and implemented mass amount of new content. 
    Sony has released the same amount of free content as WoW through free patches and releases (in fact, probably more), PLUS have 4 major expansions as well (compared to 1), making the game almost 4 times larger in content. You can go to any game hint (cheat) site and see for yourself.
     You get 8 characters total in EQ2.  In WOW you get 10 PER SERVER.  You could have 10 different characters on every server.  If you meet a new person who plays on a different server, no problem.  Want a few alts?  No problem. 
    There are 21 character slots in EQ2, and if you want to pay the extra $15 a month it bumps it up to 36 AND you get ALL their other games for free.
    Blizzard is and always has been a little better in planning and balancing.  When I used to play EQ2 it was fun to find all the tricks to do really well in the game, better than you were supposed to.  Kiting raid content solo.  Soloing groups of heroic enemies after twinking a character in all legendary gear, and getting more legendaries or fabled loot.  Not leveling except through quests so I could have fun exploring more of them and enjoying all my hard work in pvp. 
    People still solo heroic dungeons and solo raid content in EQ2. No change there. WoW makes blunders and patches them as well. No big difference between either game in this regard.
    But EQ2 doesn't intentionally create all these ways to excel and have so much fun playing their game, they are just much worse than blizzard at anticipating and  fixing them.  So, the rules are constantly changed and everything you like about the game is taken away from you on a regular basis.  Gets old fast.  Kiting is nerfed every patch, legendary tradeskill items were nerfed so you can harvest for a long time before decking out a character in awesome gear.  PVP experience forces you to level so you can't take your time leveling up through questing on a pvp server. 
     Hardly, legendary items are better than ever. Rares drop more often than ever, and there are still twinked level locked toons in PvP. Blizzard STILL has major flaws in their game they've never fixed, and they just ignore some problems.
    With that in mind there is a signifigant problem with EQ2 pvp.  The areas are poorly designed for a pvp server because there are too many bottlenecks.  Traveling through buzy zones results in endless bloodbaths as both sides are forced to use the same tiny entrances to each map.  And each map seems smaller in some way compared to WOW maps where there always seems to be some way to get away from hostile pvp.  In EQ2, you can't get anywhere without bumping into enemies.
    This I agree with, but fun for some, maybe not others. Blizzards PvP is nearly non-existant except for BG's. Most people think that's boring. I don't care either way personally.
    The two games have a lot of similarities and each has things the other is missing.  
    Should have just said this, would've been a much better and truthful post. 



    Like many have said, just check each game out and see what you like better. They both have websites, fansites, and free trials.

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  • zergclawzergclaw Member Posts: 5

    Im basically looking for one of these games to kill time in when im not at work......i want it somwut simple.......and i havta be able to solo not all the time but when i really just dont feel like joining a party or have time to.......and i want to be able to get loot off of stuff that i can no longer recieve experience from and i dont mean 1-2 items every half hour that is just annoying and stupid to me.........i dont like spending countless hours trying to get to get 1 or 2 items that i need.........i hate that crap

  • KilmarKilmar Member UncommonPosts: 844

    I played both too. From time to time, i restart in EQ2 (atm as Halfling Inquisitor on Valor), while my wow version is a door stopper. EQ2 is fun, wow is work.

    You can solo to lvl 80 or you can do it by grouping.

    Also at highest lvl, there is much to do for a solo fighter, in wow you have only the choice between faction grinding and raiding

  • Moaky07Moaky07 Member Posts: 2,096

    Me and my wife both tried WoW at launch. She liked it, but the cartoon feel I just couldnt get into.

     

    Although we both started on EQ...me in 01 and her 02/03...she has gone to liking EQ2 now since her work hrs vary. I dont play much in the MMO scene cause still paying off my 61' LCD(disability doesnt pay well). I intend to eventually open my 3 accounts, and go back to EQ. So far behind now I wont be able to catch up....but literally enough content to keep someone busy yrs while boxing.

     

    Main thing is to get my pali lvled up for those massive slay undeads..../drool

    Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356

    I couldnt play EQ2 after 2 years in WoW. I just hadnt as much fun. I dont like world design in EQ2 also, but quests are very good

  • zergclawzergclaw Member Posts: 5

    Any suggestion on realms for WOW????

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