Let what go - common sense and the lessons of my experience with Sony/SoE? I suppose if you want to go forth in such a manner that is up to you, I will not.
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
Hmmm........I believe you have misinterpreted my post. I found humor in the giant "Gods and Heroes" advertisement that you see once you click on the link to Platform Publishing. If your not familiar with the story behind Gods and Heroes do some checking......here's a start.
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
I'm pretty sure Flying Labs is in control of what is going on in the game. SOE is simply marketing the product for Flying Labs. Atleast that is what I have understood.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
Hmmm........I believe you have misinterpreted my post. I found humor in the giant "Gods and Heroes" advertisement that you see once you click on the link to Platform Publishing. If your not familiar with the story behind Gods and Heroes do some checking......here's a start.
EDIT: Additionally you will find my thoughts on this thread right HERE.
~Hairysun~
You misunderstood my post as well hairy.
I am not talking about the ability of someone to find advertisements by googleing items on a box nor prior Gods and Heroes issues (which I have never played and never plan to play).
I am simply trying to find out why this seems to have AgentS paranoid.
I understand SOE ruins everything they set their eyes on, everyone knows this.
They are only marketing for FLS and nothing more. They have no control of the in-game PoTBS, FLS does.
The sooner we that SOE will not screw over FLS the sooner this pointless thread will cease.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise. ( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name ) Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time. It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
That is kind of my point - it is not a Sony/SoE game yet I have to install this program that while it may not be another rootkit, or SecureROM, or any of a million bad things it is undoubtedly 90% comprised of stuff I don't want, didn't buy, and never will buy.
Frankly, I cannot believe people could ever say running ads, small or subtle as they may be, for station games on my computer is appropriate. it is no different than pip up and pop under ads from back in the day when you consider I am buying the game and paying to play an entitled not to be forced to deal with software intended to promote other game titles from the friggin publisher of the one I want to play.
What if tomorrow Mozilla said you know what - Firefox has done real well so for now on we are going to make it so everyone who wants to use Firefox has to have this little Mozilla launcher installed and start it first before starting Firefox. The Mozilla launcher would only contain a few links/tabs for various Mozilla software that isn't as popular and it doesn't use much memory. People would have a cow - they wouldn't tolerate from a free software outfit so why is this tolerable from a pay to play outfit. It simply isn't and I am a bit alarmed that even a few people think it is.
Not to mention that since it is still beta Sony proper hasn't piled in their music and movie BS yet. nonetheless, it is still a promotional tool for SoE games and people who don't want anything to do with those things shouldn't be forced to run what amounts to an advertisement on their desktop. And I have to question the idea that some new launcher patches faster than an old one - the rate at which data transfers, unless artificially capped on old launchers, has to do with the server and client available bandwidth and not anything at the application layer.
I don't think anyone here, myself included, is telling people to use it or not use it those of us against it only want to be allowed to skip SoE's version of iTunes especially seeing as we are not playing any SoE games.
Honestly, you're taking it to far.
I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
Edit: SOE is providing Billing, Publishing, and Servers. They have every right to determine the access to their servers and their billing department. SOE is probably also providing customer support. This allows the POTBS team to actually focus on game improvements rather then the un-necessary garbage. It's really not a big deal as said the launcher isn't as bad as some people were leading us to believe.
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I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
I have tried it on a virtual machine and determined it to be 100% serving the needs of Sony and not me, in terms of waht it offered that I needed that a more appropriate launcher offers. And I love the news and stuff', now we see the real goal - rope people in to a content providing service - not only promotion and things like that but even media and information all courtesy of Sony if only you give them a corner of yrou desktop. ROFL, sounds like the people I deal with still foolish enough to use AOL software.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise. ( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name ) Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time. It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
That is kind of my point - it is not a Sony/SoE game yet I have to install this program that while it may not be another rootkit, or SecureROM, or any of a million bad things it is undoubtedly 90% comprised of stuff I don't want, didn't buy, and never will buy.
Frankly, I cannot believe people could ever say running ads, small or subtle as they may be, for station games on my computer is appropriate. it is no different than pip up and pop under ads from back in the day when you consider I am buying the game and paying to play an entitled not to be forced to deal with software intended to promote other game titles from the friggin publisher of the one I want to play.
What if tomorrow Mozilla said you know what - Firefox has done real well so for now on we are going to make it so everyone who wants to use Firefox has to have this little Mozilla launcher installed and start it first before starting Firefox. The Mozilla launcher would only contain a few links/tabs for various Mozilla software that isn't as popular and it doesn't use much memory. People would have a cow - they wouldn't tolerate from a free software outfit so why is this tolerable from a pay to play outfit. It simply isn't and I am a bit alarmed that even a few people think it is.
So your pissed that you have to use the station launcher?
Every single game has a launcher, and if the company running the game is that much of a problem I recommend finding a new game.
I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
I have tried it on a virtual machine and determined tit to be 100% serving the needs of Sony and not me, in terms of waht it offered that I needed that a more appropriate launcher offers. And I love the 'yeah news and stuff', no we see the real goal - not only promotion and things like that but even media and information all courtesy of Sony if only you give them a corner of yrou desktop. ROFL, sounds like the people I deal with still foolish enough to use AOL software.
No one is forcing you to read the information or even purchase any of their other products. All you have to do is click the PLAY button and if that's to much. Set it to auto-play. So you can login and walk away. Come back and you're in-game.
You sound like one of the people who bitched because the letters SOE would be on the frikin box of the game as if it made a flying monkey poo of a difference.
Your comparisons are NOT of equivelent value. You're comparing a launcher desided by SOE for SOE products and allows access and information about SOE products. How the fk can that be compared to AOL and it's advertisement for wtfever you can find on the web. That's just nonsense.
You seam like you're all up in a damn huff because you have to use the SOE launcher for a non-SOE game. Good grief.
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Originally posted by Shifty360 Every single game has a launcher, and if the company running their launcher with a few advertisements is that much of a problem I recommend finding a new game.
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the difference between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, there is a huge difference, and are you trusting enough to think SOE is phoning home all sorts of data they, of course, will justify is to improve the software experience only.
I personally jumped ship on PoTBS when i heard SOE was getting into it, surely i won't play another game for a couple of years for them to ruin it then because they feel the need to try and wow clone it to the best of their abilities. SOE wants to make money, yet they do not know how, if they knew how they would listen to the fanbase and not their greedy mind.
I don't subscribe to the 'SoE is evil' or that corporations are otherwise the same as bad people ro some such thing. Companies are either incompetent or otherwise bad at meeting customer expectations and needs. But I would agree with your sentiment if only I could reword it. SoE, and Sony in general, sees their customers not as people they are obligated to service but as a means to their (Sony's/SoE's) own ends. To me companies like that are ones to avoid because they only ever do what it takes to get your money, your satisfaction as a customer is secondary to them.
I think this Station Launcher is a prefect example. if they where motivated to satisfy their customers and felt their customers wanted across game chat then they could work with xFire to allow some kind of access to make that possible if it isn't otherwise already possible. But that is not what they are doing, they came up with a marketing ploy and use the friends and other so called features as the sugar to get people to swallow. No differant thatn that cheesy flash game your Mom downloads that comes with a nasty trojan payload. this launcher portends to offer things to customers while it is easily designed as a way to the desktop of people for Sony/SoE products and services. FLS should understand many people, even just some, will object to such a thing and not allow PotBS to be co-opted in this way - so long as they don't object they are just as culpable as those originating the ploy in teh first place.
Sorry for my late reply didnt think when i left this post it would allready be on the 10th page into it, im not usually a troll, but yes i do agree with you even tho you re-worded my typing .
But as perfectly as you put it, they use us as a means to their ends, couldnt have been said better, but the thing is, it has backfired for them so many times now, are they still so stupid they wont listen or learn anything from their past mistakes with customers ?, are they blind to everything except the green dollar bill ?.
My self i would never touch their launcher thing, not in a million years , every bloddy commercial and what not they hide in their new launcher , wont be apart of it, and also its bloddy illegal in some countries to do that , its against the privacy act law within EU.
Same reason why they force you to set a "mark" in a option when installing BF2142 , that by installing this game you allow EA to practially monitor what you browse on the internet, wont surprise me if SOE's new launcher does this as well.
Originally posted by Shifty360 Every single game has a launcher, and if the company running their launcher with a few advertisements is that much of a problem I recommend finding a new game.
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the diffeance between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, it is like the differance between using IE or Firefow to browse the web and AOL 9.0.
Again you are comparing oranges with freaken rocks. The difference between what you are comparing is far from a resemblence.
Multi-purpose launchers are the future for companies that offer more then 1 product. Instead of maintaining several launchers they can focus on improving ONE.
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Originally posted by Shifty360 Every single game has a launcher, and if the company running their launcher with a few advertisements is that much of a problem I recommend finding a new game.
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the difference between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, there is a huge difference, and are you trusting enough to think SOE is phoning home all sorts of data they, of course, will justify is to improve the software experience only.
They don't advertise things in your face.......
You open the launcher, sign in with your account, patch the game, click play.
I personally jumped ship on PoTBS when i heard SOE was getting into it, surely i won't play another game for a couple of years for them to ruin it then because they feel the need to try and wow clone it to the best of their abilities.
SOE wants to make money, yet they do not know how, if they knew how they would listen to the fanbase and not their greedy mind.
Same here.....I cancelled all of my accounts with any SOE pub. Some fanbois say "so what, they don't need your money"...but they fail to realize in their little heads that when you add up all of those like us, it is a substantial amount that any business regrets losing. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other...I have other interest.... but it's currently raining outside.
Well it might be the fanbois say they dont need our money but let me multipli 15$ x 200.000 subscribers , which was what they lost when they fuckedup SWG , now if my math dont suck that much i'd say thats 3 million dollars a month they lost, so they dont need our 3 million a month ? , fine by me , they can go to hell and respawn then.
Raining outside ?, pft , try living here , had a bloddy snowstorm this week and on top of that its so cold my dick is freezing when i go outside, i dont take it lightly to cold weather.
I am nominating this post for the "Worse Post of the year award", I truely feel that the next 359 days left in this year isn't enough to get a dumber post than this! CONGRAGULATIONS!!!!!
Originally posted by KrileonNo one is forcing you to read the information or even purchase any of their other products. All you have to do is click the PLAY button and if that's to much. Set it to auto-play. So you can login and walk away. Come back and you're in-game.
You sound like one of the people who bitched because the letters SOE would be on the frikin box of the game as if it made a flying monkey poo of a difference. Your comparisons are NOT of equivelent value. You're comparing a launcher desided by SOE for SOE products and allows access and information about SOE products. How the fk can that be compared to AOL and it's advertisement for wtfever you can find on the web. That's just nonsense. You seam like you're all up in a damn huff because you have to use the SOE launcher for a non-SOE game. Good grief.
Because just like AOL that launcher is about SERVING SoE, if it was software meant to serve me it would do two things, collect a patch and authenticate my username and password - everything else is serving the needs of Sony/SoE and using my computer to do it. It is clearly another attempt by Sony, one of many, to establish a proprietary foothold on content - same thing they have been doing for years. And you don't have to be a historian to knwo what they do iwth it when they get that foothold, like AOL it starts with things you think you want and then when they got you hooked the music and movies and DRM and all this other stuff gets piled in. It is exactly the same thing they have done for years, give them a headstart if you want but I refuse to. My desktop is my desktop and I won't use 1k of it to run software designed and built to service SoE's needs and wants and not mine. If that makes me paranoid then so be it, I suppose they is why I have never had troubles like so many from their SecureROM technology or any other such DRM infestations that purport to be serving the consumer when in reality they serve the company that placed them there.
I am nominating this post for the "Worse Post of the year award", I truely feel that the next 359 days left in this year isn't enough to get a dumber post than this! CONGRAGULATIONS!!!!!
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Let it go AgtSmith... tlet it go.
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Let what go - common sense and the lessons of my experience with Sony/SoE? I suppose if you want to go forth in such a manner that is up to you, I will not.
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They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
<Platform Publishing>
I had to LOL.......
http://www.straightdope.com/
I just installed it as well...
It's non intrusive and uses very, very little resources.
/shrug
I just don't see the issue and the only game I am playing that's on it's list is PotBS.
Seems pretty well done in my opinion.
Don't forget the spine man! It's on the spine too!
Classic SoE.
We'll be silent partners until you drown, and when you ask for a rope we'll ask for ownership of your game to save you; to increase our pockets.
Don't forget the spine man! It's on the spine too!
lol........I stand corrected.
http://www.straightdope.com/
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
<Platform Publishing>
I had to LOL.......
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
<Platform Publishing>
I had to LOL.......
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
Hmmm........I believe you have misinterpreted my post. I found humor in the giant "Gods and Heroes" advertisement that you see once you click on the link to Platform Publishing. If your not familiar with the story behind Gods and Heroes do some checking......here's a start.
<LINK>
EDIT: Additionally you will find my thoughts on this thread right HERE.
~Hairysun~
http://www.straightdope.com/
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
<Platform Publishing>
I had to LOL.......
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
For me at least, it was pure sarcasmI love PotBS.
They are also using PotBS to market SOE products. Real cheesey and lowdown if you ask me.
Products like?
Products like SoE games and as the quotes I listed mention Sony music and movies. The issue is not whether such a program might be good for some, the issue to me is in forcing people to use it to play a game that is nto even SoE's, and how FLS could go back on their promises of no SoE control and such and let them do this.
Who cares if SOE does a little advertising. It's not the end of the world.
I would still like to see a link to a page showing the ways SOE is using PoTBS to advertise.
( I have yet to notice anything besides the launcher bearing the SOE name )
Regardless, you seem a little paranoid Mr. Anderson.
EDIT: I am looking at the Pre-order game box right now and I only found the word "Sony" a total of one time.
It reads "Distributed by : Sony Online Entertainment LLC" - Amazing advertising indeed
Not sure why I feel the need to post this but.......after I read your post and I checked my pre-order box. It has a "Platform Publishing" icon on the front and back. When I googled "Platform Publishing" first on the list was this.
<Platform Publishing>
I had to LOL.......
SOE markets the game and they have the right to put three little [ P ] logos on the box showing their publishing company.
It shows no link to a website on the box, and no obvious advertisements for the games. Only the publisher.
Would you all please explain to me how these little platform publishing icons on the box signal the demise of the entire PoTBS game experience by SOE takeover.
Hmmm........I believe you have misinterpreted my post. I found humor in the giant "Gods and Heroes" advertisement that you see once you click on the link to Platform Publishing. If your not familiar with the story behind Gods and Heroes do some checking......here's a start.
<LINK>
EDIT: Additionally you will find my thoughts on this thread right HERE.
~Hairysun~
You misunderstood my post as well hairy.
I am not talking about the ability of someone to find advertisements by googleing items on a box nor prior Gods and Heroes issues (which I have never played and never plan to play).
I am simply trying to find out why this seems to have AgentS paranoid.
I understand SOE ruins everything they set their eyes on, everyone knows this.
They are only marketing for FLS and nothing more. They have no control of the in-game PoTBS, FLS does.
The sooner we that SOE will not screw over FLS the sooner this pointless thread will cease.
That is kind of my point - it is not a Sony/SoE game yet I have to install this program that while it may not be another rootkit, or SecureROM, or any of a million bad things it is undoubtedly 90% comprised of stuff I don't want, didn't buy, and never will buy.
Frankly, I cannot believe people could ever say running ads, small or subtle as they may be, for station games on my computer is appropriate. it is no different than pip up and pop under ads from back in the day when you consider I am buying the game and paying to play an entitled not to be forced to deal with software intended to promote other game titles from the friggin publisher of the one I want to play.
What if tomorrow Mozilla said you know what - Firefox has done real well so for now on we are going to make it so everyone who wants to use Firefox has to have this little Mozilla launcher installed and start it first before starting Firefox. The Mozilla launcher would only contain a few links/tabs for various Mozilla software that isn't as popular and it doesn't use much memory. People would have a cow - they wouldn't tolerate from a free software outfit so why is this tolerable from a pay to play outfit. It simply isn't and I am a bit alarmed that even a few people think it is.
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Honestly, you're taking it to far.
I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
Edit: SOE is providing Billing, Publishing, and Servers. They have every right to determine the access to their servers and their billing department. SOE is probably also providing customer support. This allows the POTBS team to actually focus on game improvements rather then the un-necessary garbage. It's really not a big deal as said the launcher isn't as bad as some people were leading us to believe.
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Honestly, you're taking it to far.I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
I have tried it on a virtual machine and determined it to be 100% serving the needs of Sony and not me, in terms of waht it offered that I needed that a more appropriate launcher offers. And I love the news and stuff', now we see the real goal - rope people in to a content providing service - not only promotion and things like that but even media and information all courtesy of Sony if only you give them a corner of yrou desktop. ROFL, sounds like the people I deal with still foolish enough to use AOL software.
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That is kind of my point - it is not a Sony/SoE game yet I have to install this program that while it may not be another rootkit, or SecureROM, or any of a million bad things it is undoubtedly 90% comprised of stuff I don't want, didn't buy, and never will buy.
Frankly, I cannot believe people could ever say running ads, small or subtle as they may be, for station games on my computer is appropriate. it is no different than pip up and pop under ads from back in the day when you consider I am buying the game and paying to play an entitled not to be forced to deal with software intended to promote other game titles from the friggin publisher of the one I want to play.
What if tomorrow Mozilla said you know what - Firefox has done real well so for now on we are going to make it so everyone who wants to use Firefox has to have this little Mozilla launcher installed and start it first before starting Firefox. The Mozilla launcher would only contain a few links/tabs for various Mozilla software that isn't as popular and it doesn't use much memory. People would have a cow - they wouldn't tolerate from a free software outfit so why is this tolerable from a pay to play outfit. It simply isn't and I am a bit alarmed that even a few people think it is.
So your pissed that you have to use the station launcher?
Every single game has a launcher, and if the company running the game is that much of a problem I recommend finding a new game.
I mean I wouldn't even consider it advertisement. It's just a greyed out button of a game you don't have that SOE also supports. I mean it can be considered advertisement sure, but IMO I don't find it intrusive like a banner ad with 4 trillion colors and flashing lights. It's nothing like that.
It's actually pretty nifty in that it provides news and such. I mean if they want to add music/movie support then hey whatever. If it's all built into 1 application and i'm not forced to pertisipate in the music/movie shit then I see no problem.
My only concern is if they bring in music/movie support that they might install DRM crap on my system, which i'd then be upset. Considering their previous big blow out of DRM issues I highly doubt they'll ever go down that road again.
So what it's going to be itunes + streaming netflix + MMOs + chat.. i mean that's a pretty nice load of features if you actually use all of them. If you don't. Well click PLAY. Problem solved. Program will close when the game launches.
It's basically just like the NCLauncher, which is pretty nifty for when I was playing GW, TR, AND CoX at the same time. I only needed 1 launcher for all 3.
Download it and give it a try. ATM it's optional. So if you don't like it. Go back to launchpads and complain to SOE to have an alternative.
I have tried it on a virtual machine and determined tit to be 100% serving the needs of Sony and not me, in terms of waht it offered that I needed that a more appropriate launcher offers. And I love the 'yeah news and stuff', no we see the real goal - not only promotion and things like that but even media and information all courtesy of Sony if only you give them a corner of yrou desktop. ROFL, sounds like the people I deal with still foolish enough to use AOL software.
No one is forcing you to read the information or even purchase any of their other products. All you have to do is click the PLAY button and if that's to much. Set it to auto-play. So you can login and walk away. Come back and you're in-game.You sound like one of the people who bitched because the letters SOE would be on the frikin box of the game as if it made a flying monkey poo of a difference.
Your comparisons are NOT of equivelent value. You're comparing a launcher desided by SOE for SOE products and allows access and information about SOE products. How the fk can that be compared to AOL and it's advertisement for wtfever you can find on the web. That's just nonsense.
You seam like you're all up in a damn huff because you have to use the SOE launcher for a non-SOE game. Good grief.
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[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the difference between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, there is a huge difference, and are you trusting enough to think SOE is phoning home all sorts of data they, of course, will justify is to improve the software experience only.
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I don't subscribe to the 'SoE is evil' or that corporations are otherwise the same as bad people ro some such thing. Companies are either incompetent or otherwise bad at meeting customer expectations and needs. But I would agree with your sentiment if only I could reword it. SoE, and Sony in general, sees their customers not as people they are obligated to service but as a means to their (Sony's/SoE's) own ends. To me companies like that are ones to avoid because they only ever do what it takes to get your money, your satisfaction as a customer is secondary to them.
I think this Station Launcher is a prefect example. if they where motivated to satisfy their customers and felt their customers wanted across game chat then they could work with xFire to allow some kind of access to make that possible if it isn't otherwise already possible. But that is not what they are doing, they came up with a marketing ploy and use the friends and other so called features as the sugar to get people to swallow. No differant thatn that cheesy flash game your Mom downloads that comes with a nasty trojan payload. this launcher portends to offer things to customers while it is easily designed as a way to the desktop of people for Sony/SoE products and services. FLS should understand many people, even just some, will object to such a thing and not allow PotBS to be co-opted in this way - so long as they don't object they are just as culpable as those originating the ploy in teh first place.
Sorry for my late reply didnt think when i left this post it would allready be on the 10th page into it, im not usually a troll, but yes i do agree with you even tho you re-worded my typing
But as perfectly as you put it, they use us as a means to their ends, couldnt have been said better, but the thing is, it has backfired for them so many times now, are they still so stupid they wont listen or learn anything from their past mistakes with customers ?, are they blind to everything except the green dollar bill ?.
My self i would never touch their launcher thing, not in a million years , every bloddy commercial and what not they hide in their new launcher , wont be apart of it, and also its bloddy illegal in some countries to do that , its against the privacy act law within EU.
Same reason why they force you to set a "mark" in a option when installing BF2142 , that by installing this game you allow EA to practially monitor what you browse on the internet, wont surprise me if SOE's new launcher does this as well.
List of SOE lies
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the diffeance between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, it is like the differance between using IE or Firefow to browse the web and AOL 9.0.
Again you are comparing oranges with freaken rocks. The difference between what you are comparing is far from a resemblence.Multi-purpose launchers are the future for companies that offer more then 1 product. Instead of maintaining several launchers they can focus on improving ONE.
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[ Playing ] Everquest II
[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
Are you honestly going to say you don't see the difference between this Station Promotion tool and a single purpose launcher and patcher? Come on, there is a huge difference, and are you trusting enough to think SOE is phoning home all sorts of data they, of course, will justify is to improve the software experience only.
They don't advertise things in your face.......
You open the launcher, sign in with your account, patch the game, click play.
From that moment on it is 100% Flying Labs
Tell me, what is wrong with that?
Same here.....I cancelled all of my accounts with any SOE pub. Some fanbois say "so what, they don't need your money"...but they fail to realize in their little heads that when you add up all of those like us, it is a substantial amount that any business regrets losing. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other...I have other interest.... but it's currently raining outside.
Well it might be the fanbois say they dont need our money but let me multipli 15$ x 200.000 subscribers , which was what they lost when they fuckedup SWG , now if my math dont suck that much i'd say thats 3 million dollars a month they lost, so they dont need our 3 million a month ? , fine by me , they can go to hell and respawn then.
Raining outside ?, pft , try living here , had a bloddy snowstorm this week and on top of that its so cold my dick is freezing when i go outside, i dont take it lightly to cold weather.
List of SOE lies
Because just like AOL that launcher is about SERVING SoE, if it was software meant to serve me it would do two things, collect a patch and authenticate my username and password - everything else is serving the needs of Sony/SoE and using my computer to do it. It is clearly another attempt by Sony, one of many, to establish a proprietary foothold on content - same thing they have been doing for years. And you don't have to be a historian to knwo what they do iwth it when they get that foothold, like AOL it starts with things you think you want and then when they got you hooked the music and movies and DRM and all this other stuff gets piled in. It is exactly the same thing they have done for years, give them a headstart if you want but I refuse to. My desktop is my desktop and I won't use 1k of it to run software designed and built to service SoE's needs and wants and not mine. If that makes me paranoid then so be it, I suppose they is why I have never had troubles like so many from their SecureROM technology or any other such DRM infestations that purport to be serving the consumer when in reality they serve the company that placed them there.
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Amen