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You can tell Blizzard is getting nervous of the hype WAR is getting
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They now have their own "Blizz Cast" podcast, like EA Mythic's. I wonder if they have any developers as entertaining as Paul Barnett. Doubtful.
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I dunno but they actually do seem like they're copying WARs ideas. Correct me if Im wrong but the lich king expansion. Look at what they're putting in
- Huge PvP all out island
- Siege warefare
LOL sounds like WAR doesn't it?
The only thing that will kill blizzard is blizzard. People will buy crappy expansions from blizzard from now till the end of time.
Nobody is copying WAR as its not even out yet and all the footage looks like ass anyway. If anything WAR is attempting to replicate popluar aspects of other favored mmorpgs. Nothing WAR is doing is new in terms of mmorpgs. I dont see what all the hype is about WAR other than the history of the board game etc.
I'm all for WAR, but I believe "The Lich King" trailer that featured siege warfare came out long before they announced siege in WAR.
Even though Blizzard is just starting to implement siege weapons they aren't a new concept in WoW. They have talked about implementing Hero classes and siege weapons since release. And open PvP is just bringing back what people loved before they introduced battlegrounds. Although it's pretty obvious Blizzard just started adding these features to help counter games like AoC, WAR, etc.
Blizzard isnt getting nervous about 1 game in paticular. They are getting nervous because of the hype all of the new releases are getting. Some smaller than others (TCOS) but they are all getting hype. While Blizzard isnt loosing huge numbers yet they have already seen that people are looking for the next new MMO for them. This started biggest with LOTRO and now POTBS and soon WAR/AoC/TcOS ect. People started leaving WoW for LOTRO because they are looking for something new. Me, I am looking forward to TCOS and WAR but I myself left WoW for LOTRO. I hate WoW and did when I was playing it. I stayed around for friends but after a while I couldnt see wasting the money anymore and I know alot of people that still play WoW that are just passing time untill one of the new MMO's are released.
I'm all for WAR, but I believe "The Lich King" trailer that featured siege warfare came out long before they announced siege in WAR.
Mythic is making warhammer.......its a given there would be siege.......
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Invading a city isn't a siege as far as I'm aware. And no, I never considered it a "given".
"Invading a city isn't a siege as far as I'm aware. And no, I never considered it a "given"."
You obviously haven't seen the latest podcast from WAR. They are putting keeps in Open World PvP. And there will be sieges. Trust me, sieging and open world pvp is why I've been getting excited about WAR again. I started losing hope when they were pushing the idea of instance pvp, but it looks like they're coming back to their senses.
IMO WAR will be interesting and i'm sure it'll do decently well, but I honestly can't see it being as popular as WOW. I can see it being a niche game.
Players arn't so willing to give up characters they have devoted years to. I mean look at EQ1. In its prime it had like 200,000 players ( a lot during that time) and still some of those that played at day 1 are still playing. Why? They put to much time and effort into a game to just "give up" or play into the next best hyped game. People stick with what they enjoy.
I think WAR may take a bit of WOWs glory, but not much. 1M tops is my estimate.
The key is taking the western and EU market, but I just don't see WAR doing that entirely.
With the lich king expansion bringing in many features WAR is supposed to be providing. Then what would be the incentive to leave WOW.
The only real reasons I can see people leaving WOW for WAR is: Fans of WAR lore, People wanting a change of scenery, or people just bored with WOW.
I think it'll turn out a decent game, but can't see it being a WOW killer. WOW will die when everyone stops enjoying it.. and Blizzard is a very very good company at making HIGHLY addictive games. I mean seriously I played Diablo1 & 2 for YEARS. Same for Starcraft. I'd still play if I didn't have Satellite internet. They're just fun and addictive games.
Mythic did great with DAoC, but they ruined it. Hopefully they learned their lesson, but somehow I just doubt it. DAoC was their cash cow and they blew it. Then they lost the most awesome community representative they could have possibly ever had. Then they have the nerve to team up with EA.. the most hated.. game destroying company in history.. they're worse then freaken SOE.
This is all just opinion and speculation though. I'll give the game a fair chance at release, but hey i'm not the kind of person that's going to wait for the game to improve. They got one chance to impress me or.. quite frankly can fk off. First month is KEY for me. If I can't enjoy a game from the beginning and need to gain 40 levels to have fun. Then the hell with it. A game needs to be fun from day 1.
I'm just not into the cartoon style graphics, but as said.. i'll give it a fair chance. My sig has the 2 games i'm truely looking forward too though. IMO WAR will simply be a filler game for other things to come. Weither it's Aion or AoC or an expansion for AoC/Aion. WAR will simply fill the gap to pass time, but not something a ton of people will dedicate their time to. PVP is fun, but you seriously can't make that the primary selling point of your game. The general populas want other things to enjoy then just PVP. Look at any game and look at PVP server population compared to PVE... it's just no contest. PVE is what the general populas enjoy more.
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I think you should re-read my other posts in this thread. I very well know that they will have siege weaponry and keeps in open pvp. What I was saying is that Siege was not a "given" thing with WAR.
since the 1st newletters and pod casts . A pre-invading phase where you siege the city before being able to invade it have been talk about. waaaay before any lich king anything.
I'll give you that Blizzard did mention siege weapons for pvp at one point. But then kinda scrapped it ( or stop talking about it for a good year and a half). Bringing it back in the expension that hits so near to WAR is suspect at best. But might still be just a coincidence.
Blizz podcast ARE a total rip-off , no way around that lol.
http://revolutionwar.guildlaunch.com/
Who cares if someone "stole" something.
I "stole" ideas from every game I played (look in my list below) that i'll be using in my game that is currently in development.
If there's a good idea.. you use it.. common sense.. get over this who stole what crap.. it's fking annoying.. if you wanna pull that.. then everyone stole something from someone at one point.. so stfu already.. we're all freaken thieves.
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[ Waiting ] Aion, Age of Conan
WoW pretty much stole everything from games like DaoC and Everquest. If you're going to get mad at somebody, get mad at the dumbasses claiming that WAR is copying WoW. NOTE: I believe WAR will be a vastly different game from WoW, but that's for another debate.
I don't think they have made PVP their primary focus in development, just their primary selling point as you say. Seems to me they just are selling the aspect of their game that differentiates it from the game that the majority compare it to.
Back to the character attachment. I have played many MMOs since Meridian 59/UO and I have known many people who have played toons for years only to turn around and sell or abandon them. I agree that there are some people who remain attached to their toons, I doubt the majority do (at least in the US, where replacing things is just second nature).
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Blizz nervous? nah
This is about where I should have stopped reading, but I continued, at my own peril.
I think the poster strongly overestimates the attachment players have with their characters. WoW got 9M+ subscribers worldwide somehow - how did they do it? They are not all new to MMORPGs, so clearly people were able to leave their current MMORPG. Why can this not happen again? If one reads forums, one can clearly see a lot of WoW players are looking forward to WAR, despite having level 70 characters they will leave.
That is a lot of reasons. What is the problem? There are actually more, too. A lot of players are fans of Mythic from DAoC, and fans of RvR and other forms of PvP. There are plenty of reasons why someone might play WAR. Just the fact it will be new is a draw.
Uh huh, and this is why WAR is the most popular pre-release game right now? People are looking forward to it purely as filler, right?
Give me a break. Aion and Age of Conan fanboys need to pull their heads from their collective posteriors and see what is going on, and that is the fact that more people are reading about WAR, talking about WAR, and looking forward to WAR than any other MMORPG in development. Even this close to AoC's release and people are more interested in a game 5+ months off. It is a telling sign.
Guild Wars did, and it is doing just fine. DAoC did, and in its day it did fine, too. People who play WoW these days spend as much time in PvE as they do in the arena and in battlegrounds, so it is foolish to state that PvP cannot sell a game, when clearly players like that aspect in MMORPGs.
Yes, and that is why WAR has tons of PvE. Have you researched anything about the game or are you making assumptions as you go?
This is because games are designed as PvE first then have free-for-all PvP shoehorned in later, which is just a random gankfest - of course players stay away from those servers. RvR is integral to WAR and is not going to be a random gankfest, so there is no valid comparison here.
Anyway, I rate the post an A for effort, but a C- for research and reasoning.
OP what did you expect from them ? That crapload of a well working software is a melting pot of others good ideas wrapped in a pink shiny gown.
They never knew shame and they never will.
Hmm, if Blizzard sees a good idea being developed in another game, and figures, gee I'll bet our player base would like something like that, would you really expect them to completely ignore it?
They didn't get to be a top seller by paying no attention to market trends. They got there by taking some of the industries best ideas, and simplifying them to appeal to a large audience. Expect them to continue with this trend.
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I wonder how many forums the OP crossposted this on
You know what i truly hate, people calling every MMO other than WOW a niche game, that could never do as well in the MMO market. Yes WOW has 9 million accounts and 3/4 of those are in the asian market, but so what, doesn't mean that a new and refreshing MMO can't take a lions share away from Blizzard in the Western and EU markets. WOW and it's 9 million is the worst thing that has ever happened to the MMO world.
Ignorancy at it's best.
This genre was dieing a slow death before WoW came out, MMO's had a horrible rep as did paying monthly for a game. WoW, no matter what you think about the game itself, has expanded the MMO market immensely to something before unthinkable.
All it takes is some new developer to come out with the next thing, something actually innovating and fun, but at least the market warrants investment now. Before, the market itself was pretty much not worth it.
(there's a delay on the impact ofcourse of several years once Blizzard's succes was verified before games will start popping up)
I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as far as I can remember since WAR was announced seige and world PvP was one of the major features. If not then it was certainly expected since Mythic was making the game. I never even heard a thing about siege in WoW until a couple of weeks ago.
Edit: As for WoW subscriber numbers, the only aknowledged subscribers figures are from Asia. Blizzard has been very secretive about exactly how many active accounts they have in the US, Europe and Australia. the 9 million may well be just the number that have bought the game and at some point paid for a subscription. The amount of playtime these accounts use is also debatable, not everyone is playing 20+ hours a week, so if WAR, AoC and others can take away even a few thousand active subscriptions via casual gamers then it's a blow to Blizzard since casual gamers probably make up a large chunk of WoWs subscribers.
Of course nobody outside the industry knows any solid facts about this so it's all pure speculation, even if Blizz did take a hit they would still PR it like they had 9 million subsribers regardless of whether those accounts were active or not.
tl;dr WoW might have millions of people with accounts but not every single one of them is neccesarily active.
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