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A challeng for those that say it is "Just a game, get over it"
GrandAm
Member Posts: 404
I am not a pre-cu vet. I just have empathy for them and anyone else that has invested a mass amount of time in anything to have it involuntary stripped away.
I challenge all current players that say "Hey it's only a game, you lost it, get over it and move on" to try and see if they can do it themselves before they bash and judge people that have had it done to them.
If it is just a game and you can take it or leave it as you tell others to, I want you to go to your primary playing account and delete the main character(s). All of the time invested gone. All of the rewards and items gone. All the credits gone. All the level 90's gone.
Why do this. Simple, I have seen people bash, put down and otherwise belittle the vets here. The same vets who basically funded the game when it it was released too soon and paid to have it get to they point where you now have the game you play.
If the game you have now is just a game and you wouldn't care if it was lost, if all you have put in to it wasn't important to remember years later what is lost, then delete your work now. Start new characters. This would prove you actually mean what you say for yourself, not just others. Delete your Jedies, your Bounty Hunters, your etc. Throw away your Musty goodies, glowies, credits and so on. If the game is that good as a "game" you should have no problem starting over.
If you don't have the courage to voluntarily give up what was involuntarily taken from these people, you don't have the scrote to tell anyone here anything. You aren't telling these people they are whining, you are just showing them that you are the whiners with no courage.
Show the vets you mean what you say, it is just a game, delete your characters and start new. Give up your work and rewards to PROVE what you say is true current players.
Obraik, I thought you were a cool dude. You supported your current game and I never once read you bashing the vets. Then you are on the official forums bad mouthing them and telling all the current players to come make trouble on the VET forum. You lost my respect man. You should be the first to delete your medic general and armorsmith and start new. Then maybe you will earn my respect back. To be fair to you, many vets have unjustly attacked you and you were always polite. You always seemed empathetic and positive. This is where you earned my respect. To see you do the same thing as the attacking vets, but not even have the courage to do it here, just makes you as bad as the vets that attacked you. You should at least apologize to the community here as the community leader I thought you were.
Come,on current players I dare you.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
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what the hell does that have to do with anything....sorry i am an ex vet as well... what the hell would deleting your character do for you other than losing your character. I went through the nge and cu and i started in closed beta. Why would i want to delete everything? and what will that prove? that you are bound to your material items?
I would gladly delete it all and start over if they offered pre nge.....they are just items i collected...nothing more. My character means more to me than any material item that i may acquire in game
I've deleted my mains in other MMo's with out a problem and started from scratch. Meh it's just a game although I remain neutral towards the SWG vets because I know I don't really have a say in the matter. I'm neither on the vets side nor SOE's side.
i think the OP is just trying to relate deleting their character to vets losing all their work. except the new players haev the choice where as we vets did not, sort like "feel my pain" type of deal. if you lost your character or deleted all you worked for, how woudl you feel? pretty crappy, all that hard work, fun, quests, credits, items for your house, gone. i think thats what he is trying to relate to people who didnt go through the SOE NGE crush. being a 3+ year vet of SWG since its launch i was mad at the change, but ive moved on, i can careless what goes on in SWG game at this point, continue or fail it doesnt matter to me, Im playing other games.
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You missed his point completely then, he is encouraging the current players to somewhat follow the same fate as us, though no matter which way you spin it, it will never be as worse as what we faced. In the end the current players will have the same game, we didn't so no matter how you dish it, it will never be the same fate.
forever we will remember, forever forgotten it will not be.
i did it..went through all 3 versions..and survived...quit out of boredome...not my items becoming useless
Happy to elaborate. Many current players are coming to the vet forum telling the vets that complain and criticize the current state of the game (which many have palyed recently) only to be told by current players that they are whiners and to "get over it."
Before any one should come here and tell people how they should feel about the game, belittle or make fun of vets that feel thay were treated poorly, I am suggesting the current players delete their work so the can gain a personal empathy for what the vets involuntarily went through. It is real easy to tell people what is wrong with them without empathy when you haven't been through it your self.
If you are a vet when the changes hit and aren't a current player but feel they need to move on, great. I'm sure you have never been on here calling them whiners.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
It wasn't the items, though it's an issue that didn't help, it's the problem that after time 32 professions got whipped to a couple. So what made players continue on from the lost items, went to a halt when their favorite profession was no longer available. The mass sandbox-ness of the world was coiled up into a box, it's like someone unleashed pandora's box and slowly overtime the game ate away at itself, then became self-aware and stopped degrading and lived with what little it had left, barely breathing.
then the op needs to reexamine his argument. If its not item based, and the nge people who started post nge will still have no idea what he is talking about...never experienceing 32 professions, and they can just as easily rebuild the chars to what they have now. So the argument is moot at that point
Agreed, you're right new players can never experience having so much and then so little.
I as the OP agree. If you are a current player and love the game, I am all for it. I have played more in the NGE myself than in the CU when I started.
My argument is current players that come to this forum and bash or bellitle vets for having negative feelings for the game and its developers. Coming here and saying that the vets are whiners, need to get over it , they have no life for talking about the game two years later and such. Basically calling the vets a loser for caring about what happend to them. My point is they might feel different and show some empathy for the people that did get screwed by what happened if they started new.
It is the current players right under free speach to say what they want, but for me it makes me want to stay away from the game when all I here from them is bashing of vets. The vets just want to vent they're frustration in the only forum they have available.
Don't get me wrong I feel the same way for any vet in the current forum calling people idiots for playing the game. It is the name calling without empathy that I am finding frustrating.
As far as my statements with Obaik is concerned, it was a direct statement against, him. I am dissapointed that his his actions have led to a disproprotionate amount of vet bashing while he has said nothing to encourage the stating of why the current game is good without bashing the vets. I see him as a community leader and he acts as a community leader here and has done nothing to stop the vet bashing. Encouraging people to come here and counter the vets for the benifit of gaining new players only to have the current players bash vets and say nothing to prevent the bashings does not a community leader make. Nor does it earn respect.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
sorry but the vets on the official forums as well as these have been name calling and harrassing current players for years now. Both groups are very guilty of this. Vets in fact more so when the NGE came out. I am more in the grey area. I understand why vets are pissed, but current players have just as much right to play the game as the vets who miss theirs. I don't hate soe. Whether they legitamately thought the game was going to be improced and took a gamble, or that their hand was forced by LA, or whatever. I got no gripes. I paid my 15 bucks a month, took full and enjoyable advantage of my gameplay, and stopped paying when it became not fun.
was I bitter? yes. But it's been over 2 yrs. Do i think the current players should continue enjoying the game? By all means...it's their money and their enjoyment, I have no right to tell them not to play it, nor will i bash them or the game for it's current state.
My ONLY gripe is i havent found a game since SWG which i can find the fullfillment and enjoyment that i did have. But it's still a game. The people I met and were friends with I am still friends with, and hang out with them regularly, and converse through our forums with.
I still play soe games, and if Bioware or antoher comapny (even SOE) makes a new one...i will be the first in line to pick up my preorder, CE, and be a rabid foaming at the mouth Star Wars MMO fan again
I'm glad you are out there supporting us and the troubles we have faced and the memories though we have not lost them, can no longer re-live them.
Obleik, though non-hostile is the reason I have little respect for the guy, he is the only player that has truly giving up his memories and moved on. Though I would normally admire this, his admiration to the new system makes me sick. Being the poster child of the NGE way has no way enlightened him a favorite among many. Truly the guy has guts to stand his ground and obviously a hell of a lot time to waste just from seeing his post count and I won't take that from him.
Again, I agree. No vet should be telling current player what to play or bash them just as the current players shouldn't IMO be bashing vets that still want to talk about the misgivings that happened to them or how they feel about the current game.
I believe in free speech and I have seen both sides bash. I only mentioned it now because a community leader specifically told people on the O forums to come here to counter vets negative views of the game. Some came and talked about the quality of the game and I encourge that. The current players that came here and just bashed in high numbers is what frustrated me. The original person that callled for this not trying to stop the bashing further frustrates me.
I am not a precu vet. I don't hate soe, if I did I would have not given them money in the NGE where I had fun. I just don't feel it is necessary to bash and belittle to vets to get the word out that your game is good. Just as it is not necessary to bash and belittle current players to get the word out that the old game was better or you were treated unfairly.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I enjoy reading your posts miagisan, they are neutral and give two sides of the story, very insightful. I do agree with you to a point...
I agree the current players should be able to play their current game care-free, why should they be forced to choke on our burdens, they are enjoying the current state of the game so I say have at it.
What I don't agree with is to just give it up, I'll never forget what happened, the memories I had, or the time I've spent. The hurt, the pain, and the disbelief will never fade from me. For some it was just a game, to me personally and to many out there, it was a way of life or a hobby you might say. I spent my life, sweat, and blood on that game for endless uncountable hours. Like you I can't find an mmo to grab me the way SWG has, I doubt I truly will, the community was what made the game great and now that this is lost, I am a wander out in the desert looking for my camel, yet I know it is probably dead, I still search for it.
This is correct. I don't want the people who play and aren't telling vets get over it or the vets are mental for caring about it 2 years later to delete. I want those that are still playing and name call the vets for caring to put their toons where there keyboard fingers are and try being in the vets place and lose what they worked for and see how it feels. Before they come on the vet forum and call names.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
I have lost 2 games in with I have spend a consideral amount of time. Wish who was canceld in beta and Face of Mankind who like SWG also changed to appeal to a broader audience and failed at it. Also I participated in a lot of Beta's where my account where deleted.
I got over it, infact almost all players got over it. There are many players in the same position (Face of Mankind, Wish, Auto Assault, etc etc etc) and all these game do not have a vet forums made. I really do not get why poeple keep complaining about it, what is done is done.
This is correct. I don't want the people who play and aren't telling vets get over it or the vets are mental for caring about it 2 years later to delete. I want those that are still playing and name call the vets for caring to put their toons where there keyboard fingers are and try being in the vets place and lose what they worked for and see how it feels. Before they come on the vet forum and call names.
A better analogy would be to delete theyre characters then log into lego wars ( or w/e it is called). Its still Star Wars, right? Should be loads of fun , right?
Why would you compare games that actually got shutdown to SWG that was totally reworked and shoved down the playerbase's throat? There is no similarity what so ever.
That is a fair statement. I ask you have you come on here calling people whiners or calling someone mentally insane for caring two years later when they just want to participate with their community. My guess would be no you haven't. I agree that the game is gone and I hope and know that those that have felt wronged have moved on.
This is a product not just a game (my opinion). I as a consumer welcome any history on any product or manufacturer reguardless of time frame. Ford made pintos in the 70's that caught fire in accidents. The police Crown Vics have that same problem today. Mistakes by manufacturers can and do get made again. That was 30 years ago. Who is to say that the problems the vets bring up now would never happen again. I feel they do us a service by holding products and companies accountable. Reguardless of time.
To ignore what they say is begging for the same mistakes to be made. To name call and bash them without empathy to realize it could happen to you is wrong IMO. Reguardless of whether or not you want a higher pop in a game or not.
To call people here from another forum that end up bashing and not try to stop the bashing as the caller is a direct disservice to the community. Be it for vets, current players, or potential new players.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
You are right, what is done is done... but its not your place or anyone else's place to tell anyone to "get over it". What might be a game to many, might be something else to many others. People who come here just to flame the vets, to tell them to get over should mind their own business and stop harassing. Nobody has any right to harass anyone.
Those of you who have gotten over it and moved on, great, but dont be coming here and telling others to do it just b/c you got over it. I have nothing against those who still play the game or are new to the game and playing, its the company that destroyed what i enjoyed about the game that i am pissed off about. And yes, after 2+ yrs i am still pissed and will continue to be pissed off, and you want to know why i will continue... b/c its my right and nothing anyone can do that will change that... so get over it.
P.s to the OP, i give you some respect as a current player to boldly post this challenge as you put it. You seem to understand what is going on here. I have to agree tho, those of you who bash vets to get over what they lost should delete everything on their accounts and start fresh, or how bout this, send me your account info and ill delete it for you, just pretend its a new NGE that SOE forced on you and you lost everything.
Posted by a former Master creature handler... thats right, a MCH from 3 weeks after release to the death on Nov, 15th... so tell me, should i just get over the fact that the only profession i ever played in SWG was destroyed and taken away?
What if I'm a beta 3 vet and tell people to get over it? I was a BE/CH (Bio-Engineer and Creature Handler for you Post NGEers.) My classes weren't even combined they were wiped off the game. Apparently creature handling is back to some degree, so I've heard. But my point is I've moved on. Was I angry, yeah. But I'm not going to be raving for 3...4 years about it. I shrugged my shoulders and went on. Were Pre-NGE players shafted, yeah. But I mean, lets be semi-realistic. Whining about the game won't bring it back to Pre- CU servers. It hasn't so far, I truely doubt it will suddenly work. And there is really no point to try and convince new players not to play, or to boycott. They'll probably end up trying it out and if they like it they like it, if they don't, they don't.
Do I miss SWG. Hell yeah, but honestly I've gone through it, and I have to agree. If people are saying get over it, get over it. We've all said our piece. We can repeat it as many times as wea want, it's not going to change anything. Find a new game. Remember the fun times you had on SWG and play something else. I understand what the OP is trying to say, and I'm not sure the exact community politics these days, but it's not worth your time or energy.
Kinda funny because I ran a BE/CH as well. BE was my actual true love in that game...
What you said is pretty much accurate in any way that matters. Honestly... no amount of complaining has ever changed anything.
The only power a consumer actually has.. don't give your money to companies you don't like.
You don't have to be vocal just don't put ANY money into any company... I guess in SOE's case is doesn't work since they can leach off Spider Man sequels (they are a sub division of Sony Pictures).
But its all you really have to work with. Of course that applies to most any thing to be honest.
But ya I'd be willing to pay for a "classic" aka PRE-CU server ruleset... but it doesn't ruin my day that I'm in some other companies game giving them money atm either..
The difference between SWG and those other games could be the amount of players that were effected. AA had maybe 14k players (i dont know about wish or face of mankind.) SWG had over 200k leave the game. Not because it was shutdown but because it was changed. SWG was a very deep game. Deep games take a considerable amount of time to learn and advance your character. People do not take kindly to having all of their work made useless.
It could be that SWG was based on one of the most recognizable and popular IP's ever created. SW fans are pretty die hard. SWG was supposed to be the ultimate experience for a SW fan. This was the chance to actually "live" in the SW Universe. Yes it is pretty geeky but then again here we all are debating about video games. That is pretty geeky as well.
It could also be that the game was always a buggy mess and yet people stayed with it because it had potential and despite all of the problems SWG had it was still enjoyable. These people were repaid for their patience and tolerance of a game that was obviously rushed to release with constant lies and deceit. After 2 years they were repaid for their loyalty by being told they were disposable. This is not the best strategy for retaining good customer relations.
There is also the possibility that people are just growing tired of incompetence. If nothing else SOE does excel at being incompetent. They make very public mistakes and make them pretty often. It is very easy to hate SOE. All companies are out to make money. That is what business is all about. The problem is SOE is so blatantly obvious about it. They do not care about the consumer or the quality of their products. They ONLY care about the money. This is why all of their games have low populations and why Blizzard has destroyed them. Blizzard at least puts up the facade that they care about their customers and they do deliver quality products.
Now perhaps you can help me understand something Coman. Why is it that people like you can not seem to get over the fact that some people just dont want to "get over it" when it concerns SWG? I honestly find this obsession you people have with the vets kind of strange.
Frankly now it is just a game. So it is easy for the current crop of players to feel that way. The current SWG game is easier to get over than the knife in the back SOE gave us.
Good points and a fair statement. The thing I'm griping about is people specificallly coming to the vet forum and name calling. I have used the term get over it. But read the context in which it is done. Saying get over it alone when saying "that's what I did" is not a problem.
The problem comes with name calling and belittling. I have read people calling vets for "whining" or being mentally imbalanced for caring 2 years later about this game. The get over it is just added somewhere in with the name calling. The effect is it ruins discussion and gets threads locked.
I am sure as a vet yourself you have not come here telling the the vets that they are "whiners" or mental or have no life. Have you?
Again I feel it it as bad if vets name call on current players calling them "idiots" for playing a game they enjoy.
We are all part of the SWG community here. It does no good to have threads locked b/c of name calling.
Please keep in mind the rash of name calling on the vet forum happened after a current player told others on the official forums to come here and counter the vets. I am sure it was not his intent to have them name calling. But I have not seen any admonishment of the name calling buy the community leader that called them here.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic