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If the NGE is still on the live servers then the mistakes certainly aren't behind us. Having "Galactic Senators" come here in a desperate attempt to get people to resubscribe won't change that.
the problem is this, both partys agree except for very few fanbois that PRE CU was a better game.
Difference is i stick to that and don't allow me to flaw my SWG experience by practicing mediocre and inferior things, on the other hand i can't practicing what i say good game experience cause $OE deny to offer classic server.
The NGE lovers however have a place, the NGE on the live servers. Thats a big injustice. Do not blame them for tho i don't understand why they play crap although many of them state PRE CU was better but the target of my anger is and will be $OE. The greedy company who destroyed my MMO home.
Pre-CU and NGE are obviously entirely different games and have different merits, i would probably agree Pre-CU was slightly better, but i dont see the point in comparing them - Pre-CU isnt around now, but the game now is and i enjoy that enough to happily pay $15 a month.
I am stating the obvious for the 9,999th time: As long as the NGE is still the core, they might as well quit wasting their time trying to get the vets back. We ARE NOT coming back to the NGE! Get it through your heads!
Indeed, I think it's pathetic for SOE to make this decision to get rid of us (yes, according to Jeff Freeman, this is exactly what they were doing) because the NGE would attract the "target audience" which would be larger than we were.
It's the absolute pinnacle of mismanagement to both keep the NGE, which was designed to NOT appeal to the vets, which means it NEVER IS GOING TO NO MATTER WHAT, yet have as their SOLE strategy to gain subs back is to continually beg the vets to come back.
SOE's strategy should be one of two things:
1. Try to get the vets back.
2. Try to get a new bloc of subscribers.
The only way you are going to get the vets back is to reinstate Pre-NGE, or to completely remake the game core again (thus scrapping NGE for another new core) to be much more pre NGE like with the main features of pre NGE (including skills system, Jedi alpha class, player based crafting economy). The NGE is never going to bring very many vets back because it was never designed to appeal to us, and thus, is too limiting to ever be able to be added to so as to appeal to us.
The only way they can go get a new bloc of subscribers is to advertise to them and to cater to them. They don't advertise, and the changes they continue to make to the NGE game are designed to try to draw vets back, not new players in. Keep in mind that the NGE has been given longer than pre CU to draw players in, and that it's failed to do so, could it be that the NGE doesn't appeal to vets OR new players?
Either way you cut it what they are doing isn't going to get it done. They've taken far FAR too long with the NGE to ever have a chance to turn things around. Time to shut it down.
It's true. It's too late.
Even on the Official Forums, the few current players who try to take the low population into their own hands are told not to bother by the majority.
The sad fact is that other than a small handful, the people who are playing SWG are vets just like the rest of us, except they have chosen to remain and go down with the ship quietly. And since the majority of current players are vets, they know SOE as well as the rest of us, they simply don't have the conviction to be as angry as the rest of us, and often choose SWG simply cause it's the only SW MMO out there, and we all know, it's a pretty powerful IP.
I've been reading the Oforums alot lately, and I've seen time and time again a few people trying to light fires under each others butts and get them to advertise the game themselves, only to get flooded with scores posts saying 'don't bother, this game is dying, just be quiet and enjoy what's left while it lasts'.
Even the majority of the current players know the end is near. It's like a funeral over there.
This is kind of like apples and oranges. People who QUIT because the game changed didn't loose all their items or their credits or their time invested or their mains. They lost their playstyle. The game changed, and they didn't like it or adapt. Instead, they made a conscious decision to QUIT. And then, they cry about it years after the fact.
Now, if someone had hacked their account and deleted everything, that would be a more accurate comparison to what you are suggesting.
See the difference?
Anyone who logs into a MMO has to understand that gameplay can and will change. Yes SWG gameplay changed drastically, and probably for the worse, but it happens. The same could happen to any MMO out there. It's just a game, get over it.
This is kind of like apples and oranges. People who QUIT because the game changed didn't loose all their items or their credits or their time invested or their mains. They lost their playstyle. The game changed, and they didn't like it or adapt. Instead, they made a conscious decision to QUIT. And then, they cry about it years after the fact.
Now, if someone had hacked their account and deleted everything, that would be a more accurate comparison to what you are suggesting.
See the difference?
Anyone who logs into a MMO has to understand that gameplay can and will change. Yes SWG gameplay changed drastically, and probably for the worse, but it happens. The same could happen to any MMO out there. It's just a game, get over it.
Oh really? My bio-engineer was sure as hell deleted. None of his skills existed anymore. And what about Teras Kasi? Or Doctor? Or Swordsman? I won't even go INTO the crafted and looted items that went useless overnight TWICE in one year. For all intents and purposes, both the toons and their items were deleted, all that remained was a shell that had the same appearance.
Linna
This is kind of like apples and oranges. People who QUIT because the game changed didn't loose all their items or their credits or their time invested or their mains. They lost their playstyle. The game changed, and they didn't like it or adapt. Instead, they made a conscious decision to QUIT. And then, they cry about it years after the fact.
Now, if someone had hacked their account and deleted everything, that would be a more accurate comparison to what you are suggesting.
See the difference?
Anyone who logs into a MMO has to understand that gameplay can and will change. Yes SWG gameplay changed drastically, and probably for the worse, but it happens. The same could happen to any MMO out there. It's just a game, get over it.
Oh really? My bio-engineer was sure as hell deleted. None of his skills existed anymore. And what about Teras Kasi? Or Doctor? Or Swordsman? I won't even go INTO the crafted and looted items that went useless overnight TWICE in one year. For all intents and purposes, both the toons and their items were deleted, all that remained was a shell that had the same appearance.
Linna
No, all that remained was something that you didn't want to play. That's not the same as deleting your character.
The fact is, your stuff was not deleted -- it was changed. You couldn't or didn't want to deal with the change. You had the option of staying with the game and adjusting. If you chose not to do that, it was YOUR decision. No one forced you or anyone else to quit. Let's not pretend that SOE deleted your characters, because that's just not true. Save the drama.
As a former SWG lightweight player (pre-CU) who knew quite a few addicts who were among the first to unlock their Jedi slots, and who were also in the top 5 of their crafting profession for their server, I can say that the ONLY way any of them will ever come back is if SOE rewrote the game engine again and restored most of the original features that made the game popular and challenging.
The combat "upgrade" dumbed down combat to the point that you could map a handful of abilities to a joypad and play well. The crafting system (arguably the best in any MMO to date) was likewise simplified and nerfed so 5th graders could play while they watched their teen idol shows. Finally, the NGE destroyed the entire game system, turning a complex skill-based system that rewarded careful thought into a simple level-based system that can be played with your brain in a jar next to the desk.
To make SWG fly again, they'd have to restore the gameplay of the pre-CU era, update the market UI to be as flexible as EVE-Online's system, and add a facelift via a new graphics engine so the game does't look so spartan. Even then, many folks wouldn't trust SOE not to screw them over again in a year or two... but without that, they might as well shut things down and make a new one from scratch.
This is kind of like apples and oranges. People who QUIT because the game changed didn't loose all their items or their credits or their time invested or their mains. They lost their playstyle. The game changed, and they didn't like it or adapt. Instead, they made a conscious decision to QUIT. And then, they cry about it years after the fact.
Now, if someone had hacked their account and deleted everything, that would be a more accurate comparison to what you are suggesting.
See the difference?
Anyone who logs into a MMO has to understand that gameplay can and will change. Yes SWG gameplay changed drastically, and probably for the worse, but it happens. The same could happen to any MMO out there. It's just a game, get over it.
Oh really? My bio-engineer was sure as hell deleted. None of his skills existed anymore. And what about Teras Kasi? Or Doctor? Or Swordsman? I won't even go INTO the crafted and looted items that went useless overnight TWICE in one year. For all intents and purposes, both the toons and their items were deleted, all that remained was a shell that had the same appearance.
Linna
No, all that remained was something that you didn't want to play. That's not the same as deleting your character.
The fact is, your stuff was not deleted -- it was changed. You couldn't or didn't want to deal with the change. You had the option of staying with the game and adjusting. If you chose not to do that, it was YOUR decision. No one forced you or anyone else to quit. Let's not pretend that SOE deleted your characters, because that's just not true. Save the drama.
And suppose I enjoy a regular Whopper at BK once a week. What if one day they stop putting meat in the burger and use dog crap instead... nobody's making me not eat it, I'm the one at fault because I can't adapt to the new recipe (perhaps it just needs more salt?). And I definetly don't have any right to complain about the new ingredients do I? There are plenty of people who like to eat dog crap burgers right?
This is kind of like apples and oranges. People who QUIT because the game changed didn't loose all their items or their credits or their time invested or their mains. They lost their playstyle. The game changed, and they didn't like it or adapt. Instead, they made a conscious decision to QUIT. And then, they cry about it years after the fact.
Now, if someone had hacked their account and deleted everything, that would be a more accurate comparison to what you are suggesting.
See the difference?
Anyone who logs into a MMO has to understand that gameplay can and will change. Yes SWG gameplay changed drastically, and probably for the worse, but it happens. The same could happen to any MMO out there. It's just a game, get over it.
Oh really? My bio-engineer was sure as hell deleted. None of his skills existed anymore. And what about Teras Kasi? Or Doctor? Or Swordsman? I won't even go INTO the crafted and looted items that went useless overnight TWICE in one year. For all intents and purposes, both the toons and their items were deleted, all that remained was a shell that had the same appearance.
Linna
No, all that remained was something that you didn't want to play. That's not the same as deleting your character.
The fact is, your stuff was not deleted -- it was changed. You couldn't or didn't want to deal with the change. You had the option of staying with the game and adjusting. If you chose not to do that, it was YOUR decision. No one forced you or anyone else to quit. Let's not pretend that SOE deleted your characters, because that's just not true. Save the drama.
I'm sorry, but yes, that was a literal deletion, especially in the case of the bio engineer. The profession DID NOT EXIST anymore. If you take away all skills and everything you gained in the course of two years (who needs BE resources if there's no more BE to use them?), then you basically have deleted that toon. And since a BE wasn't counted as a combat profession, the skills mastered on that toon didn't even give me the option of going combat without regrinding from level ONE, as crafters (at that time) were assigned combat level 1.If you like the current game, fine by me, go play it. Stop trolling here.
Linna
No, all that remained was something that you didn't want to play. That's not the same as deleting your character.
The fact is, your stuff was not deleted -- it was changed. You couldn't or didn't want to deal with the change. You had the option of staying with the game and adjusting. If you chose not to do that, it was YOUR decision. No one forced you or anyone else to quit. Let's not pretend that SOE deleted your characters, because that's just not true. Save the drama.
I'm sorry, but yes, that was a literal deletion, especially in the case of the bio engineer. The profession DID NOT EXIST anymore. If you take away all skills and everything you gained in the course of two years (who needs BE resources if there's no more BE to use them?), then you basically have deleted that toon. And since a BE wasn't counted as a combat profession, the skills mastered on that toon didn't even give me the option of going combat without regrinding from level ONE, as crafters (at that time) were assigned combat level 1.If you like the current game, fine by me, go play it. Stop trolling here.
Linna
Well Linna he is techincally correct. Your character did still exist. The pixels that combined to form your character were still there. However what he fails to take in to consideration is that the character was made totally useless by the changes. It would have been much like starting all over again considering that everything your character was was removed from the game.
Its kind of like owning a car that stops running. It is still a car and it is still in your possession so you can access it at anytime. It just serves no other purpose than a lawn ornament. It was not bought with the intention of it being a lawn ornament. When it was running it was not used as a lawn ornament but that is what it is now.
I just dicovered this forum recently, I'm very interested in what you all have to say about how SWG now compares to Pre-CU and thought I would stop by for a chat from time to time if that's ok?
I just dicovered this forum recently, I'm very interested in what you all have to say about how SWG now compares to Pre-CU and thought I would stop by for a chat from time to time if that's ok?
hmmmmdidnt you call us Vipors or something like that ?
it was you or some other NGEr a few day ago on SWG forums.. lol
Yes we read them from time to time its such a sad thing to see. but as far as you coming here since one forum isnt enough for you to troll!( LOL J/K) nobody cares man but i must warn you that you dont have an SOE gimp in here going ape with the delete options on threads so have at.
I dont think anyone has any problems having a debate with you and you are welcomed to post whatever opinions you may have unlike those other forums at SOE...
I'm not here to debate anything, I just want to listen to you all really.
Or it simply looks as though they're avoiding the real issues.
I just dicovered this forum recently, I'm very interested in what you all have to say about how SWG now compares to Pre-CU and thought I would stop by for a chat from time to time if that's ok?
Pre-CU: A game with unlimited potential that only needed to have the bugs fixed and content added.
NGE: 250,000 of us quit and we aren't coming back as long as it is still the core. Get over it. We aren't the "target audience" you are looking for. You can go about your Galactic scavenger hunts and bash on your million HP instanced mobs.
I'm not here to debate anything, I just want to listen to you all really.
ok if want to know what we want so you can take it back to those running the game? we want a rollback to the pre-cu system. we want our 32 professions back. we want our alpha jedi back and our good pvp system back. we want smed fired and for both $OE and LA to come out and tell us vet players that they are sorry that they lied to us and conned us into buying obi-wan. we want the 15 year old fanbois to go back to warcraft or halo. we want the fanbots that talk about how great the nge is to come out and say sorry as well. we want our world back.we don't want things from the pre-cu back in the nge we want the pre-cu back. and if you care about the game you will push for the pre-cu to come back as well.
Or it simply looks as though they're avoiding the real issues.
Actually Badger is a decent person. He and I had quite a few decent discussions on grouping (sorry Badger, I still believe you're missing the core problems
) on the official forums, when I resubbed for a few months to try and give it a fair shot.
I'm not here to debate anything, I just want to listen to you all really.
ok if want to know what we want so you can take it back to those running the game? we want a rollback to the pre-cu system. we want our 32 professions back. we want our alpha jedi back and our good pvp system back. we want smed fired and for both $OE and LA to come out and tell us vet players that they are sorry that they lied to us and conned us into buying obi-wan. we want the 15 year old fanbois to go back to warcraft or halo. we want the fanbots that talk about how great the nge is to come out and say sorry as well. we want our world back.we don't want things from the pre-cu back in the nge we want the pre-cu back. and if you care about the game you will push for the pre-cu to come back as well.
Indeed.
There is a fundamental difference in gaming and developer philosophies between pre-CU and NGE. Adding elements of pre-CU into this NGE philosophy only creates a temporary illusion of past experiences which, once explored, exposes itself as shallow and farcical.
Which catergory are us present players that are older than 15? hehe it gets confusing when i'm not sure what type of swg player i am
I'm sure he is, and in no way did I mean any disrespect. But out of curiosity was Badger's opinion on this issue in general support of the current system?
I'm sure he is, and in no way did I mean any disrespect. But out of curiosity was Badger's opinion on this issue in general support of the current system?
You can read all about my opinion on the subject of grouping in SWG here: Game Play Concept: Encouraging Grouping
I'm sure he is, and in no way did I mean any disrespect. But out of curiosity was Badger's opinion on this issue in general support of the current system?
You can read all about my opinion on the supject of grouping in SWG here: Game Play Concept: Encouraging Grouping
weren't you one of the more outspoken senators supporting the nge badgerbanger?
arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
I'm sure he is, and in no way did I mean any disrespect. But out of curiosity was Badger's opinion on this issue in general support of the current system?
You can read all about my opinion on the supject of grouping in SWG here: Game Play Concept: Encouraging Grouping
Link isn't working. Can you give a brief discription of what is was about?
Now ya i was pissed all right in fact i quit the game and deleted my characters , but really it was for the better bacause that was a brutal grind , it is just a game so get over it i did