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Yes, until this post I was unfamiliar with the fact that NWN had cooperative multiplayer, and haven't paid attention to Diablo since...what....back when the covered wagons came over?
I wasn't too impressed with the depth of NWN or any other pen-and-paper derivatives that have come since, but I'll be looking into both of these.
Am I to understand that you had nothing more substantive to contribute to the conversation?
And Forcan, thanks for confirming that your preference is stating the abosolutely obvious as if it were wise as a substitute for addressing substance. Although I am gratified to see that you concede my points were essentially valid.
Naturally, there is "something for everybody" which is why people still steal cars and commit murders and shoot heroin and beat their wives. My conversation tends to diffrentiate between that which is lame, and that which is ideal. Sorry you miss the distinction.
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In conclusion : Stay away from MMORPG's. Unless your just here to complain, seems a lot of people get off on that these days.
Well, Forcan IS addressing your points, there's no reason to be rude.I think what you might be looking for is something more along the lines of Guildwars or D&D Online which are basically "lobby" or "hub" type games. It's been a long time since I played either one but from what I remember they're MMORPGs in the sense that there are thousands of people, but you can hook up with people you know and then enter an instance to play the content.
LMAO! You've struck a chord with me, buddy. I totally get what you're saying and couldn't agree more.
The closet games I can think of off the top of my head are Guild Wars and Hellgate London. But they pale miserably in comparison to Oblivion for depth and content. Will Wright's Spore will have a pseudo-multiplayer aspect that sounds pretty exciting too.
Ummm, Skoll, I know there's a "few assholes" outside my house. There's also people who beat their wives, steal cars, commit murders, and shoot heroin.
Typically, the existence of those sorts does not prevent me from enjoying a service that I pay for. Nor would most normal people continue to pay for a service that required them to associate with such people.
A point I guess you missed, most likely due to either a sympathy for, or membership in, one of those groups....
Really that would be a nice dream. The reality is MMOs are encroaching on the single player RPG experience as can be seen from all the IPs that are being converted into MMOs.
Really I'd like more SP alternatives.
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You aren't even looking for a MMORPG. MMORPGs are meant to be played with tons of people. You're pretty much just looking for games with co-op.
Jimmy_Scythe has the right list of games for you. Currently there aren't many recent or upcoming RPG games with what you are looking for. The consoles are your best bet for online co-op.
That's very sad.
Not quite as sad as your closed-mindedness, but sad nonetheless.
Scum of society? I thought that was the rapists and murders. Most raiders I know range from hobbiests to people who enjoy group activities to mildly immature. Some of them range to obnoxious and hardcore, like the idiot who is always trying to get people to bowl 300s and won't shut up about how to improve bowling technique. I guess that's the limits of society's scum...
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
LOL! You find it sad that I don't follow Diablo? You need to get a life, friend. Surely you noted that I had a *wife*, and was talking about *normal* people in the sense that I belong to that group....
My mind is closed to many things. For instance, I'm not open to the idea of beating my wife, or cursing in public, or farting in crowded elevators.
Yep, there's a lot of things I just don't open up to. So sue me.
Yep, Sharajet, that's it. I'm bitter because a bunch of losers won't let me raid Karazan with them. As I clearly stated in everything that I've written, I really want to hang with 40 other people to enjoy a game I pay for...oh...wait, I've been talking exclusively about duoing and small groups the whole time.
What forum were you reading, Sharajet?
This is a weird thread...
Actually, sadly, I find this thread rather normal. This is the ethos of Barrens chat, personified.
Oooh subtle insults, my favorite.
Nor would most normal people continue to pay for a service that required them to associate with such people.
Thats odd, last i checked lots of people played MMO's. Hmmm guess your the minority. Maybe everyones a jerk off except you. Your really one of a kind, your existence is pure gold compared the shit covered people you are forced to interact with in MMO's.
Typically, the existence of those sorts does not prevent me from enjoying a service that I pay for.
They don't? How do you know "Pwns Joo" isn't a junkie? or a thief? Did it ever occur to you that you've missed the whole essence of MMORPGs by far? Maybe you should just stick to single player games, or from what i can gather about your attitude; maybe you should become a hermit. Or live alone in the woods maybe?
MMO's are about playing with other people, about being in a virtual world that has living people in it. Your bound to run into Lenny the village idiot in them.
A point I guess you missed, most likely due to either a sympathy for, or membership in, one of those groups....
I am definitely part of the group who likes poking fun at upright fools who think the sun shines out of their cloaca, well good sir, your fecal matter isn't gold. Have fun insulting other peoples replies. Your just like the conspiracy guys who insult anyone who challenges their claims.
Personally for me this is my favorite part of your thread :
My mind is closed to many things. For instance, I'm not open to the idea of beating my wife, or cursing in public, or farting in crowded elevators.
Yep, there's a lot of things I just don't open up to. So sue me.
Thats right, someone contradicted your meaning of scums of society, he MUST be a wife beater or at least an unpleasant and rude person! Your replies don't make much sense, you seem to enjoy taking things out of context and insulting people.
Yes. Massive means there are many people co-existing on the same world, server, or pick your survey choice of wording. *Hears in the background, "Our survey says....bing!"*
It's some people who have turned it into another definition that includes forced grouping with large groups.
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Actually, sadly, I find this thread rather normal. This is the ethos of Barrens chat, personified.
Within ten minutes of beggining WoW, I squelched every form of general chat. There is simply no way a normal human being could ever enjoy the game if bombarded with the utter inane stupidity of the general population.
This is a major component of the case I'm making against Massiveness in online games. The masses are heinous, and there is no room for normal people in such online worlds.
Hypocrite.
Yes. Massive means there are many people co-existing on the same world, server, or pick your servey choice of wording. *Hears in the background, "Our survey says....*bing!*"*
It's some people who have turned it into another definition that includes forcing grouping with large groups.
Precisely right. Being in a world with a bunch of other people would be fine. Being forced to have to associate with large numbers of those people is the problem.
If MMORPG permitted a duo to accomplish all the content, things would be just fine. It's the mandatory "hook up with 35 degenerates" thing that will continue to exclude the vast majority from becoming paying subscribers.
So the MMORPG developers have a choice. Continue catering to the dregs of society, or expand to the realm of cable television sized success by appealing to normal people.
A jerk complaining about the amount of jerks in MMO's.
I wonder if this guy realizes that he perpetuates the very thing he is railing about. Which also probably explains why he only wants to play a game with a few select friends. He can't tolerate hardly anyone as anyone can hardly tolerate him.
You know, there are worse things in MMO's than people using misnomers, pejoratives, or slang to create their character's name. There are people like Carufin.
Actually, sadly, I find this thread rather normal. This is the ethos of Barrens chat, personified.
Within ten minutes of beggining WoW, I squelched every form of general chat. There is simply no way a normal human being could ever enjoy the game if bombarded with the utter inane stupidity of the general population.
This is a major component of the case I'm making against Massiveness in online games. The masses are heinous, and there is no room for normal people in such online worlds.
Dude this is just utter snobbery... your like the twats who go into a restaraunt and want to be roped around with velvet so you can feel better than the person with shabby coat... MMO's do have a huge amount of twats in them but a knowledge of the English language does not define who a person is... there a few cases in my time in WoW i found that when looking past someones age, typing style i have found some funny, witty and interesting people... albeit i met a lot of tosspots...
The person who makes a game to be played on a LAN network will be very rich? It's been done... and i'm sure it would be succesful if done properly with a Oblivion type game... but it wont be near the success and longevity of a good MMO... I don't just play MMO's to play with my girlfriend, brother and my friends... I find that our different taste means that although we may be playing LOTRO, which i really like at the moment, I know my gf prefers EQII, My brother really likes WoW and my mate feels like he is still to get to grips with one he loves, yet plays anyway... Meanwhile if i play at times without them I honestly enjoy it more... for out in the big wide world there are people who like exactly what you like... they have similar sleeping patterns so they fit your gaming world... sometimes they share the same sense of humor as you in terms of the game you play...
Just my opinion but in MMO's so far i find theres always some people out there that ya meet that add something to the experience... I got sick of WoW when i hit seventy... Do i miss the game since i gave it up? no... but i must say i do miss a big black Tauren who i spent 50 or so of those levels with... PvPing more than bothering about catching up with the guild...
If MMO's reveal a side of the world to you that you don't like... don't play em.
A jerk complaining about the jerk complaining about the jerks...
Sorry friend, I don't play schoolyard. We've already had someone point out how bad "Barrens Chat" is. Everyone really knows I'm right about the constitution of people in online games.
There is no argument about it. *Everyone* knows it, even the guy who dissed the thread knows it, because he referenced "Barrens Chat" to make an example.
The people in online games are mostly scum. Complete, total scum and everyone here knows it. It's not a secret, and that discomfort you're feeling is called "cognitive dissonance".
Forcing people to associate with large numbers of these scum in order to receive the full services that they pay for is not a winning marketing model in the long term. Not if the MMORPG guys want to continue to expand their subscriber base.
A jerk complaining about the jerk complaining about the jerks...
Sorry friend, I don't play schoolyard. We've already had someone point out how bad "Barrens Chat" is. Everyone really knows I'm right about the constitution of people in online games.
There is no argument about it. *Everyone* knows it, even the guy who dissed the thread knows it, because he referenced "Barrens Chat" to make an example.
The people in online games are mostly scum. Complete, total scum and everyone here knows it. It's not a secret, and that discomfort you're feeling is called "cognitive dissonance".
Forcing people to associate with large numbers of these scum in order to receive the full services that they pay for is not a winning marketing model in the long term. Not if the MMORPG guys want to continue to expand their subscriber base.
Again... SNOBBERY
No one forces you to pay for a game... NOBODY
If you expect the world to delivery services that revolve around you and your friend then we would have cinema's with 2 seats (yes DVDs but hell making you wait would be discrimination to the 2 person viewer)
Do you fly? I bet you get a private yet... cos hell.. all those unwashed hathens breathing the same air... that would really grind your gears i'm guessing....
As for full content... either your asking to be able to 2 man a raid and a big nasty boss (which wouldnt make him all that nasty) or your simply asking for them to take the raid content away... either way sound silly to me.
You indeed pay for the "full service". Said full service includes a rather large boatload of assholes, especially in games like WoW. I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". That goes here. Either that or find a niche MMO. There's generally a smaller community and far less assholes. Fact is, the majority does seem to be willing to play with them and thus mmo's are created to cater to their needs more then there that cater to yours.
This is, by far, the most eloquent troll I've ever met. Let us observe as his language and overall demeanor slowly deteriorate until his true nature is made clear.
Also, if you don't like MMOGs, find a different genre and leave room for all the other would be trolls.
So are you suggesting a litmus test to be able to play an MMO? What exactly are you saying, or asking, or complaining about, or whatever it is that you're doing?
These "scummy" people in online games are the same people you work with, eat with, excrete waste with, and undoubtedly live with. These "scummy" people are the same ones you see everyday including when you look in the mirror to give yourself a high-five. Remember, you're unique; just like everyone else.
To paraphrase my mother, "You should record yourself and listen to how you sound."
Try going back and reading what you have typed. The irony is dizzying.